Tuina and Asthma

[Guest guest]

Rich,

 

Thanks again for taking the time to reply. However, you still haven't

answered my question and I am curious to know how all chronic

blockages begin in the abdomen and how this relates to the Hun, Po,

and Shen!!

 

I am not familiar with Mark Seem's writings, but what I did ask is

how you can use Tuina to treat the Hun, Po and / or Shen. This quote

seems to deal with the use of acupuncture in treating energetic

zones. What are we discussing when we get onto to the topic of

energetic zones?

 

Angelo

 

Chinese Medicine , " Rich "

<rfinkelstein@a...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Angelo,

>

> >

> > Hi Rich

> >

> > Thanks for your reply. However, the quote does not explain how

all

> > chronic blockages begin in the abdomen (unless I am missing

> > something?) and how this relates to the Shen, Po, and Hun.

>

> Claude Larre/Elisabeth Rochat discuss this very question extensively

> in their book " Rooted in Spirit " . Their translation of the paragraph

> that I quoted is this:

>

> " For every needling, the method is above all

> Not to miss the rooting in the Spirits

>

> Xue and Mai, Ying and Qi, Jing and Shen,

> These are stored by the Five Zang.

>

> If a situation becomes such that

> By succession of overflowings and total invasion

> They leave the Zang,

> Then the Essences are lost;

> And Hun and Po are carried away in an

> uncontrollable agitation,

> Will and Intent become confused and disordered.

> Knowing -how and Reflection abondon us.

>

> Where does this state come from?

> Should Heaven be blamed? Is it Man's fault?

>

> And what we call Virtue, Breaths, Life, Essences, Shen, Hin, Po,

> Heart, Intent, Will, Thought, Knowing-How, Reflection? "

>

> The authors go on and explain in their view:

>

> " Human activityy from beginning to end (the end simply our return to

> the origin), is directed by the Spirits. The quality of life and the

> fullness of our years are assured only by association with them. We

> must remember, therefore, that the root of life is in the Spirits.

> Root is ben and the Spirits are shen. ... To be effective, and at

the

> same time not violate the organism, the acupunturist goes all the

way

> to the origin of the patient's life, to that place wehre the Spirits

> are rooted, to ben shen. "

>

> Mark Seems in his book Bodymind Energetics quotes Andrew Weil:

>

> " Healing is not just a property of the physical body .. we area all

> mind-bodies, so that healling, like health and illness, must also be

> psychosomatic. "

> >

> > On another note - how do you treat disturbances of the Shen, Hun,

> > and / or Po using Tuina?

>

> Indirectly. It is as Seem's suggests in this same book (P.72):

>

> " Acupuncture therapy, while unbocking an energetic zone,

> simultaneously frees up the psyche trapped in the zone, and if

> attention is not paid to the undrelying psychological issues in the

> patient's life experience, a new energetic zone will be soon become

> disturbed. "

>

> I can hardly do service to this point of view in a short message.

The

> authors I have referenced do a far better job than I can ever hope

to do.

>

> Regards,

> Rich

[Guest guest]

Hi Angelo,

>

 

> I am not familiar with Mark Seem's writings, but what I did ask is

> how you can use Tuina to treat the Hun, Po and / or Shen.

> This quote seems to deal with the use of acupuncture in treating

>energetic zones.

 

It is all the same. Let me try explaining it using a quote from

Matsumoto and Birch's book " Hara Diagnosis " :

 

" The spiritual, mental, and emotional states that are studied in

Chinese medicine are often simply stated but profoundly implicated in

the process of disease. These ideas were almost universally understood

to relate to qi rooting in the hara. If the correct interactions of

qi, jing, and shen in the hard do not occur, problems begin to

menifest in all the " non-physical " arenas of human life - spiritual,

mental, emotional. "

 

" We have seen some of the interdependent relationships between mental,

emotional, energetic, and physilogical function " These are all

expressions of the same human reality. ... For example, in the

Japanese tradition, were the practitioner to hear a statement such as,

" he has a psychological problem. " , what would come immediately to the

practitioner's mind would be the tightness of the patient's neck,

shoulrder and back. How the patient's structure was imbalanced might

be the focus of exporation " .

 

These ideas are all based upon the notion that:

 

" The heart holds the office of monarch, whence the spirit light (shen

ming) originates. "

 

In Yong Ping Jiang's article:

 

http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2003/jan/01jiang.html

 

he writes,

 

" Chapter 71 of the Ling Shu states, " The heart is the monarch of the

five zang and six fu, and houses the essential spirit (jing shen). " In

the Ming Dynasty classic Lei Jing, the physician Zhang Jie Bin

interpreted this to mean that while different emotions can gravitate

to different organs and damage them, all emotions originate in the

heart and ultimately cause some damage to it. According to this

theory, the heart not only gives rise to anger, but will be injured by

anger; it can give rise to sadness and be injured by sadness. The same

can be said about fear, pensiveness and the rest of the Seven

Emotions. Because they all originate with the heart, the heart is

ultimately damaged by them. For this reason, treatment of emotional

problems must always include the heart. "

 

So putting the Mind/Body system together we can build a model that may

look like this:

 

1) The Shen (the Monarch) manifests the Hun (Ethereal Soul) and Po

(Corporeal soul).

2) The Hun and Po manifest the Zhi (Will) and Yi (ideas).

3) The spirit (Shen) then manifests the physical body. They are all

the same.

4) By treating one (using tuina, acupuncture, qigong, or other

modalities) it is possible to treat the other.

 

If you are interested in this subject, all of the books that I have

quoted are excellent. I am sure there are many others - including the

ancient Chinese literature as Journey to the West was previously cited.

 

Regards,

Rich