Guest guest Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Hi all, I've just noticed that a member has uploaded an interesting article on the use of Ba Wei Di Huang Wan in the treatment of dementia. See link: http://f2.grp.fs.com/v1/UAyAQclpHtCC29NZPmPBrNn2aaNw78BxFvpFts1U wroneAj447PbJOSgzR1D9EwiTDx9HaNIRn7puHz37CMB/Articles/Herbal/Ba% 20Wei%20Di%20Huang%20Wan.pdf or shortcut link: http://tinyurl.com/3ktg6 The conclusion outcome is that Ba Wei Di Huang Wan is effective in the treatment of dementia. What's notable about this study is it's high quality (study undertaken in Japan) with a double blinded, RCT. Even though the sample size is small, 33 subjects, the results are promising. It mentions that the side effects of Ba Wei Di Huang Wan includes diarrhoea, stomach discomfort, eczema and palpitations. Has anyone noted these side effects with Ba Wei Di Huang Wan? Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 I'm sure it's a good study - and may very well show the benefit But remember - in the USA, if the study was performed out of the country The medical community will not recognize it The only medical research recognized in the US is that which is done in the US Medical docs may find the information interesting, but will be very hesitant to recommend it Doug _____ [attiliodalberto] Wednesday, October 27, 2004 4:23 PM Chinese Medicine Ba Wei Di Huang Wan - Dementia Hi all, I've just noticed that a member has uploaded an interesting article on the use of Ba Wei Di Huang Wan in the treatment of dementia. See link: http://f2.grp.fs.com/v1/UAyAQclpHtCC29NZPmPBrNn2aaNw78BxFvpFts1U wroneAj447PbJOSgzR1D9EwiTDx9HaNIRn7puHz37CMB/Articles/Herbal/Ba% 20Wei%20Di%20Huang%20Wan.pdf or shortcut link: http://tinyurl.com/3ktg6 The conclusion outcome is that Ba Wei Di Huang Wan is effective in the treatment of dementia. What's notable about this study is it's high quality (study undertaken in Japan) with a double blinded, RCT. Even though the sample size is small, 33 subjects, the results are promising. It mentions that the side effects of Ba Wei Di Huang Wan includes diarrhoea, stomach discomfort, eczema and palpitations. Has anyone noted these side effects with Ba Wei Di Huang Wan? Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Hi Attilio, When I give BWDHW I always consider the patient's digestive levels and add, if necessary, Qi herbs or give a digest formula ahead of time or...reduce the daily amount. To just give this formula without looking at the whole picture would, IMHO, not be the practice of TCM theory and application. The side effects listed have been warded off by this practice. Take care, David <attiliodalberto wrote: Hi all, I've just noticed that a member has uploaded an interesting article on the use of Ba Wei Di Huang Wan in the treatment of dementia. See link: http://f2.grp.fs.com/v1/UAyAQclpHtCC29NZPmPBrNn2aaNw78BxFvpFts1U wroneAj447PbJOSgzR1D9EwiTDx9HaNIRn7puHz37CMB/Articles/Herbal/Ba% 20Wei%20Di%20Huang%20Wan.pdf or shortcut link: http://tinyurl.com/3ktg6 The conclusion outcome is that Ba Wei Di Huang Wan is effective in the treatment of dementia. What's notable about this study is it's high quality (study undertaken in Japan) with a double blinded, RCT. Even though the sample size is small, 33 subjects, the results are promising. It mentions that the side effects of Ba Wei Di Huang Wan includes diarrhoea, stomach discomfort, eczema and palpitations. Has anyone noted these side effects with Ba Wei Di Huang Wan? Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Hi David, I'm always curious to hear about ways to approach the digestive problems associated with tonifying yin and blood. You said that you sometimes give a digestive formula ahead of time....are you saying that you give a formula like Xiang Sha Liu Jin Zi Tang earlier in the day and then later take the yin tonic, or are you saying that you first have them take the digestive formula for awhile before switching to a yin tonic? I think maybe I'll start a thread sometime to collect ways that people approach this. I find that yin deficient people very easily feel more yin xu despite the addition of yin tonics in a formula that has drying herbs in it. A few times I've had success having them take the regular formula which is a combination of yin tonics and herbs to help digestion, and then an hour later take more yin tonics. Its tricky though, and getting the right dosage seems to be key. Thanks for any ideas anyone wants to share, Laura Chinese Medicine , David Akrish <akrish27> wrote: > > Hi Attilio, > > When I give BWDHW I always consider the patient's digestive levels and add, if necessary, Qi herbs or give a digest formula ahead of time or...reduce the daily amount. To just give this formula without looking at the whole picture would, IMHO, not be the practice of TCM theory and application. The side effects listed have been warded off by this practice. > > Take care, > > David > > > <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've just noticed that a member has uploaded an interesting article > on the use of Ba Wei Di Huang Wan in the treatment of dementia. See > link: > http://f2.grp.fs.com/v1/UAyAQclpHtCC29NZPmPBrNn2aaNw78BxFvpFts1U > wroneAj447PbJOSgzR1D9EwiTDx9HaNIRn7puHz37CMB/Articles/Herbal/Ba% > 20Wei%20Di%20Huang%20Wan.pdf or shortcut link: > http://tinyurl.com/3ktg6 > > The conclusion outcome is that Ba Wei Di Huang Wan is effective in > the treatment of dementia. What's notable about this study is it's > high quality (study undertaken in Japan) with a double blinded, RCT. > Even though the sample size is small, 33 subjects, the results are > promising. > > It mentions that the side effects of Ba Wei Di Huang Wan includes > diarrhoea, stomach discomfort, eczema and palpitations. Has anyone > noted these side effects with Ba Wei Di Huang Wan? > > Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Hi Laura, Digestion seems to be such a great place to start [for more reasons than one!] that I focus very highly in this area. I approach each person on a case by case, of course. I have used all of the ways you mentioned and then some. I see plenty of clients with major wetness, but also describing Yin xu patterns. I just started a 48 y/o woman, 80 # overweight, with two, strong wetness clearing formulas, one liver wind formula, another digest/Qi formula and then...finally a Kidney Yin/Yang formula with a little Ginseng. She did very well on her first round with her tongue revealing the hidden Yin xu pattern after about two weeks. Using strategics in lining up the formulas seems to be a key factor in getting excellent results. I go through plenty of Sharpies On another note I invited you to my Taiqi/Chi Gong class in Sesattle and did not remember hearing back from you. The invitation is open if you want to write me back. Take care, David heylaurag <heylaurag wrote: Hi David, I'm always curious to hear about ways to approach the digestive problems associated with tonifying yin and blood. You said that you sometimes give a digestive formula ahead of time....are you saying that you give a formula like Xiang Sha Liu Jin Zi Tang earlier in the day and then later take the yin tonic, or are you saying that you first have them take the digestive formula for awhile before switching to a yin tonic? I think maybe I'll start a thread sometime to collect ways that people approach this. I find that yin deficient people very easily feel more yin xu despite the addition of yin tonics in a formula that has drying herbs in it. A few times I've had success having them take the regular formula which is a combination of yin tonics and herbs to help digestion, and then an hour later take more yin tonics. Its tricky though, and getting the right dosage seems to be key. Thanks for any ideas anyone wants to share, Laura Chinese Medicine , David Akrish <akrish27> wrote: > > Hi Attilio, > > When I give BWDHW I always consider the patient's digestive levels and add, if necessary, Qi herbs or give a digest formula ahead of time or...reduce the daily amount. To just give this formula without looking at the whole picture would, IMHO, not be the practice of TCM theory and application. The side effects listed have been warded off by this practice. > > Take care, > > David > > > <attiliodalberto> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I've just noticed that a member has uploaded an interesting article > on the use of Ba Wei Di Huang Wan in the treatment of dementia. See > link: > http://f2.grp.fs.com/v1/UAyAQclpHtCC29NZPmPBrNn2aaNw78BxFvpFts1U > wroneAj447PbJOSgzR1D9EwiTDx9HaNIRn7puHz37CMB/Articles/Herbal/Ba% > 20Wei%20Di%20Huang%20Wan.pdf or shortcut link: > http://tinyurl.com/3ktg6 > > The conclusion outcome is that Ba Wei Di Huang Wan is effective in > the treatment of dementia. What's notable about this study is it's > high quality (study undertaken in Japan) with a double blinded, RCT. > Even though the sample size is small, 33 subjects, the results are > promising. > > It mentions that the side effects of Ba Wei Di Huang Wan includes > diarrhoea, stomach discomfort, eczema and palpitations. Has anyone > noted these side effects with Ba Wei Di Huang Wan? > > Attilio http://babel.altavista.com/ and adjust accordingly. If you , it takes a few days for the messages to stop being delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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