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My husband just had a stroke a week ago and is rapidly responding

back toward normal, however his left arm is still flacid. What

traditional Chinese therapies/medicines should we try? What chances

does he have with acupuncture as a possible treatment?

 

Sheila Anderson-Lewis, RN

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Hello, Sheila,

So sorry to hear about your husband. Let's hope for a speedy recover! Very

important to begin treatment asap.

 

Scalp treatments on right side motor and sensory; left arm and ba xie with

tens unit. Probably cupping, gua sha, tuina on upper back and arm would also

help. If you have a Qi Gong Machine, that is quite effective, also.

Normally, MD's put the patient on Dilantin or some anti-seizure rx. That

being said, then herbs are out as it's quite possible to have an

interaction.

 

(I've been treating a stroke patient (event was 4/12/04; treatment began

late May, early June) as an outpatient. Her left arm is still subluxed and

flaccid. She can walk with her cane, ride stationary bike, speak well, has

short term memory difficulty, but long term is no problem. ) AP treatments

are 2x weekly. You can treat you husband more frequently, though.

 

Any questions, you may email me off line. needledoc

Best wishes, Pam Price

 

 

 

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> My husband just had a stroke a week ago and is rapidly responding

> back toward normal, however his left arm is still flacid. What

> traditional Chinese therapies/medicines should we try? What chances

> does he have with acupuncture as a possible treatment?

>

> Sheila Anderson-Lewis, RN

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Sheila Anderson-Lewis wrote:

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> My husband just had a stroke a week ago and is rapidly responding

> back toward normal, however his left arm is still flacid. What

> traditional Chinese therapies/medicines should we try? What chances

> does he have with acupuncture as a possible treatment?

>

> Sheila Anderson-Lewis, RN

 

Hi Sheila!

 

He should see an acupuncturist as soon as he is released from the

hospital and follow that acupuncturist's instructions which will most

likely be treatments several times each week until the function is fully

restored.

 

If you wait you lose the opportunity.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

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Pam Price wrote:

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> Any questions, you may email me off line. needledoc

 

Hi Pam!

 

Why, oh why would you want to take it off line? This is an interesting

case on a real patient who is suffering from something that is well

treatable with TCM. I think the discussion would be of interest to all

of us on the list.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

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Ok, on line it is. Thank you for your interest, Pete

As a followup for my patient as of yesterday: able to get out of her

wheelchair w/cane by herself; stand along w/cane/; walk half way across her

livingroom w/cane by herself. Her left arm/hand is still flaccid, but she's

able to hold the squeeze ball and work it a bit. She's in really great

spirits.

 

Pam Price

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> Pam Price wrote:

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>> Any questions, you may email me off line. needledoc

>

> Hi Pam!

>

> Why, oh why would you want to take it off line? This is an interesting

> case on a real patient who is suffering from something that is well

> treatable with TCM. I think the discussion would be of interest to all

> of us on the list.

>

> Regards,

>

> Pete

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Pam Price wrote:

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> Ok, on line it is. Thank you for your interest, Pete

> As a followup for my patient as of yesterday: able to get out of her

> wheelchair w/cane by herself; stand along w/cane/; walk half way across her

> livingroom w/cane by herself. Her left arm/hand is still flaccid, but she's

> able to hold the squeeze ball and work it a bit. She's in really great

> spirits.

>

 

Hi Pam!

 

Thanks. How did you treat the case and what was your differentiation?

Did you follow your last two posts or was this case different?

 

Regards,

 

Pete

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Hi, Pete, this is the same case. Wind phlegm obstruction w/qi/xue yu in the

channels. Hand is no longer contractured, but not much movement other than

very light squeezing a ball w/assistance of right hand. As stated

previously, 2 tx weekly and sometimes skip a week depending on her schedule.

Pt uses the QGM frequently during the day, mostly on her left shoulder and

arm. According to western medical staff, when there's stroke, the opposite

arm is the last to function if at all. The idea is to get pt up and moving

as quickly as possible. She's fortunate that she did not have any speech

problems. Tx is discussed in previous posts.

 

FYI, she had the stroke on the way to vacation; she complained of

excrusiating pain in her head; husband was driving and raced back to ER

where she had immediate surgery. As the surgeon open her cranium, the blood

shot the ceiling.

 

Have a good weekend. Pam

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> Hi Pam!

>

> Thanks. How did you treat the case and what was your differentiation?

> Did you follow your last two posts or was this case different?

>

> Regards,

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> Pete

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Pam Price wrote:

> Hi, Pete, this is the same case. Wind phlegm obstruction w/qi/xue yu in the

> channels. Hand is no longer contractured, but not much movement other than

> very light squeezing a ball w/assistance of right hand. As stated

> previously, 2 tx weekly and sometimes skip a week depending on her schedule.

> Pt uses the QGM frequently during the day, mostly on her left shoulder and

> arm. According to western medical staff, when there's stroke, the opposite

> arm is the last to function if at all. The idea is to get pt up and moving

> as quickly as possible. She's fortunate that she did not have any speech

> problems. Tx is discussed in previous posts.

>

> FYI, she had the stroke on the way to vacation; she complained of

> excrusiating pain in her head; husband was driving and raced back to ER

> where she had immediate surgery. As the surgeon open her cranium, the blood

> shot the ceiling.

 

Hi Pam!

 

Interesting, thanks.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

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Hi Sheila

 

> My husband just had a stroke a week ago and is rapidly responding

> back toward normal, however his left arm is still flacid. What

> traditional Chinese therapies/medicines should we try? What

> chances does he have with acupuncture as a possible treatment?

> Sheila Anderson-Lewis, RN

 

I recommend acupuncture treatment esp at the Scalp Points on the

contralateral side of the paretic arm. If you do not see improvement within 1

month, prognosis may be poor.

 

I am not expert enpugh to advise on herbs yet, but see a highly qualified /

experianced Chinese herbalist ASAP. Many herbs thet help post-stroke

sequels.

 

Medline has 231 hits on Acupuncture or CHinese Herbal Medicine in stroke.

See: http://tinyurl.com/5dhk3

 

WWW has thousands of hits:

 

Acupuncture & Stroke: http://tinyurl.com/4vy2k

 

Herbal Medicine & Stroke: http://tinyurl.com/3qlcs

 

Best of luck to your husband and you.

 

Best regards,

 

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Phil, when I was in China last month we visited human TCM hospitals in

Huanzhou and there they treated stroke victims on inpatient basis.The

director of the hopsital that we visited does do scap aupuncture, even using

it for mental retardation, depression, many brain function disorders.For

stroke they should find TCM doctor that could hospitalize them for daily

treatment as early as possible.Ciao,P.Jordan

 

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>Hi Sheila

>

> > My husband just had a stroke a week ago and is rapidly responding

> > back toward normal, however his left arm is still flacid. What

> > traditional Chinese therapies/medicines should we try? What

> > chances does he have with acupuncture as a possible treatment?

> > Sheila Anderson-Lewis, RN

>

>I recommend acupuncture treatment esp at the Scalp Points on the

>contralateral side of the paretic arm. If you do not see improvement within

>1

>month, prognosis may be poor.

>

>I am not expert enpugh to advise on herbs yet, but see a highly qualified /

>experianced Chinese herbalist ASAP. Many herbs thet help post-stroke

>sequels.

>

>Medline has 231 hits on Acupuncture or CHinese Herbal Medicine in stroke.

>See: http://tinyurl.com/5dhk3

>

>WWW has thousands of hits:

>

>Acupuncture & Stroke: http://tinyurl.com/4vy2k

>

>Herbal Medicine & Stroke: http://tinyurl.com/3qlcs

>

>Best of luck to your husband and you.

>

>Best regards,

>

>Email: <

>

>WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

>Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

>

>HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland

>Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0]

>WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm

>

>Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man

>doing it "

 

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