Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 My husband just had a stroke a week ago and is rapidly responding back toward normal, however his left arm is still flacid. What traditional Chinese therapies/medicines should we try? What chances does he have with acupuncture as a possible treatment? Sheila Anderson-Lewis, RN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Hello, Sheila, So sorry to hear about your husband. Let's hope for a speedy recover! Very important to begin treatment asap. Scalp treatments on right side motor and sensory; left arm and ba xie with tens unit. Probably cupping, gua sha, tuina on upper back and arm would also help. If you have a Qi Gong Machine, that is quite effective, also. Normally, MD's put the patient on Dilantin or some anti-seizure rx. That being said, then herbs are out as it's quite possible to have an interaction. (I've been treating a stroke patient (event was 4/12/04; treatment began late May, early June) as an outpatient. Her left arm is still subluxed and flaccid. She can walk with her cane, ride stationary bike, speak well, has short term memory difficulty, but long term is no problem. ) AP treatments are 2x weekly. You can treat you husband more frequently, though. Any questions, you may email me off line. needledoc Best wishes, Pam Price > > > > My husband just had a stroke a week ago and is rapidly responding > back toward normal, however his left arm is still flacid. What > traditional Chinese therapies/medicines should we try? What chances > does he have with acupuncture as a possible treatment? > > Sheila Anderson-Lewis, RN > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 Also, Sheila, add SP 10, ST 36, ST 38, SP 6, K3 or 6. Sorry I overlooked those. PP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2004 Report Share Posted October 21, 2004 Sheila Anderson-Lewis wrote: > > > My husband just had a stroke a week ago and is rapidly responding > back toward normal, however his left arm is still flacid. What > traditional Chinese therapies/medicines should we try? What chances > does he have with acupuncture as a possible treatment? > > Sheila Anderson-Lewis, RN Hi Sheila! He should see an acupuncturist as soon as he is released from the hospital and follow that acupuncturist's instructions which will most likely be treatments several times each week until the function is fully restored. If you wait you lose the opportunity. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Pam Price wrote: <snip> > > Any questions, you may email me off line. needledoc Hi Pam! Why, oh why would you want to take it off line? This is an interesting case on a real patient who is suffering from something that is well treatable with TCM. I think the discussion would be of interest to all of us on the list. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 Ok, on line it is. Thank you for your interest, Pete As a followup for my patient as of yesterday: able to get out of her wheelchair w/cane by herself; stand along w/cane/; walk half way across her livingroom w/cane by herself. Her left arm/hand is still flaccid, but she's able to hold the squeeze ball and work it a bit. She's in really great spirits. Pam Price > > Pam Price wrote: > <snip> >> >> Any questions, you may email me off line. needledoc > > Hi Pam! > > Why, oh why would you want to take it off line? This is an interesting > case on a real patient who is suffering from something that is well > treatable with TCM. I think the discussion would be of interest to all > of us on the list. > > Regards, > > Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 Pam Price wrote: > > > Ok, on line it is. Thank you for your interest, Pete > As a followup for my patient as of yesterday: able to get out of her > wheelchair w/cane by herself; stand along w/cane/; walk half way across her > livingroom w/cane by herself. Her left arm/hand is still flaccid, but she's > able to hold the squeeze ball and work it a bit. She's in really great > spirits. > Hi Pam! Thanks. How did you treat the case and what was your differentiation? Did you follow your last two posts or was this case different? Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 Hi, Pete, this is the same case. Wind phlegm obstruction w/qi/xue yu in the channels. Hand is no longer contractured, but not much movement other than very light squeezing a ball w/assistance of right hand. As stated previously, 2 tx weekly and sometimes skip a week depending on her schedule. Pt uses the QGM frequently during the day, mostly on her left shoulder and arm. According to western medical staff, when there's stroke, the opposite arm is the last to function if at all. The idea is to get pt up and moving as quickly as possible. She's fortunate that she did not have any speech problems. Tx is discussed in previous posts. FYI, she had the stroke on the way to vacation; she complained of excrusiating pain in her head; husband was driving and raced back to ER where she had immediate surgery. As the surgeon open her cranium, the blood shot the ceiling. Have a good weekend. Pam > > > Hi Pam! > > Thanks. How did you treat the case and what was your differentiation? > Did you follow your last two posts or was this case different? > > Regards, > > Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Pam Price wrote: > Hi, Pete, this is the same case. Wind phlegm obstruction w/qi/xue yu in the > channels. Hand is no longer contractured, but not much movement other than > very light squeezing a ball w/assistance of right hand. As stated > previously, 2 tx weekly and sometimes skip a week depending on her schedule. > Pt uses the QGM frequently during the day, mostly on her left shoulder and > arm. According to western medical staff, when there's stroke, the opposite > arm is the last to function if at all. The idea is to get pt up and moving > as quickly as possible. She's fortunate that she did not have any speech > problems. Tx is discussed in previous posts. > > FYI, she had the stroke on the way to vacation; she complained of > excrusiating pain in her head; husband was driving and raced back to ER > where she had immediate surgery. As the surgeon open her cranium, the blood > shot the ceiling. Hi Pam! Interesting, thanks. Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Hi Sheila > My husband just had a stroke a week ago and is rapidly responding > back toward normal, however his left arm is still flacid. What > traditional Chinese therapies/medicines should we try? What > chances does he have with acupuncture as a possible treatment? > Sheila Anderson-Lewis, RN I recommend acupuncture treatment esp at the Scalp Points on the contralateral side of the paretic arm. If you do not see improvement within 1 month, prognosis may be poor. I am not expert enpugh to advise on herbs yet, but see a highly qualified / experianced Chinese herbalist ASAP. Many herbs thet help post-stroke sequels. Medline has 231 hits on Acupuncture or CHinese Herbal Medicine in stroke. See: http://tinyurl.com/5dhk3 WWW has thousands of hits: Acupuncture & Stroke: http://tinyurl.com/4vy2k Herbal Medicine & Stroke: http://tinyurl.com/3qlcs Best of luck to your husband and you. Best regards, Email: < WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man doing it " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2004 Report Share Posted November 7, 2004 Phil, when I was in China last month we visited human TCM hospitals in Huanzhou and there they treated stroke victims on inpatient basis.The director of the hopsital that we visited does do scap aupuncture, even using it for mental retardation, depression, many brain function disorders.For stroke they should find TCM doctor that could hospitalize them for daily treatment as early as possible.Ciao,P.Jordan > " " < >Chinese Medicine >Chinese Medicine > Re: STROKE & TCM >Sun, 7 Nov 2004 02:23:44 -0000 > >Hi Sheila > > > My husband just had a stroke a week ago and is rapidly responding > > back toward normal, however his left arm is still flacid. What > > traditional Chinese therapies/medicines should we try? What > > chances does he have with acupuncture as a possible treatment? > > Sheila Anderson-Lewis, RN > >I recommend acupuncture treatment esp at the Scalp Points on the >contralateral side of the paretic arm. If you do not see improvement within >1 >month, prognosis may be poor. > >I am not expert enpugh to advise on herbs yet, but see a highly qualified / >experianced Chinese herbalist ASAP. Many herbs thet help post-stroke >sequels. > >Medline has 231 hits on Acupuncture or CHinese Herbal Medicine in stroke. >See: http://tinyurl.com/5dhk3 > >WWW has thousands of hits: > >Acupuncture & Stroke: http://tinyurl.com/4vy2k > >Herbal Medicine & Stroke: http://tinyurl.com/3qlcs > >Best of luck to your husband and you. > >Best regards, > >Email: < > >WORK : Teagasc, c/o 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland >Mobile: 353-; [in the Republic: 0] > >HOME : 1 Esker Lawns, Lucan, Dublin, Ireland >Tel : 353-; [in the Republic: 0] >WWW : http://homepage.eircom.net/~progers/searchap.htm > >Chinese Proverb: " Man who says it can't be done, should not interrupt man >doing it " _______________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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