New Case: Athletic overuse

[Guest guest]

Hi, its great when somebody posts a case, we need a break from the

politics.

 

In my humble opinion the signs and symptoms suggest that your client

has liver blood-kidney yang vacuity and i would not rule out the

presence of cold-damp as well. I would use moxa on BL23 in addition

and also the patent herb Du Huo Ji Sheng Wan if you're into patent

herbs.

 

Evidence (wow, TCM is also EBM!):

Liver blood vacuity:

1. Dull frontal headache

2. Dry skin

3. Sometimes difficult to fall off to sleep

4. Weak tendons and ligaments

Kidney yang vacuity

1. intolerance to cold

2. deep, slow pulse

 

Note: the one heat sign is expected as in real cases the princile of

yin within yang and yang within yang displays itself, i.e he has a

yang vacuity condition with one yin vacuity sign.

 

Of course I could be wrong, but this is more to stimulate my

diagnostic skills and if you or your client benefits it is an added

bonus.

 

Feroz Osman-Latib

[Guest guest]

folatib wrote:<snip>

> your client has liver blood-kidney yang vacuity and i would not rule

> out the presence of cold-damp as well. I would use moxa on BL23 in

> addition and also the patent herb Du Huo Ji Sheng Wan if you're into

> patent herbs.

>

> Evidence (wow, TCM is also EBM!): Liver blood vacuity: 1. Dull

> frontal headache 2. Dry skin 3. Sometimes difficult to fall off to

> sleep 4. Weak tendons and ligaments Kidney yang vacuity 1.

> intolerance to cold 2. deep, slow pulse

>

> Note: the one heat sign is expected as in real cases the princile of

> yin within yang and yang within yang displays itself, i.e he has a

> yang vacuity condition with one yin vacuity sign.

 

Hi Feroz!

 

Thanks, the only reply so far! I started him on Plum Flower " Clear

Channels " . I am away from the office so I don't know if I have the Du

Huo Ji Sheng Wan in stock or not. Next visit I will do acupuncture as

well. I had not considered kidney, but now that you mention it . . .

 

I charge extra for Moxa so I don't know if he will take it or not. I

will put a heat lamp on him for no extra charge, though. I do this

because I am pushing 60 and my hand gets tired holding the moxa stick.

 

If he keeps coming I will have time to follow this and other suggestions

as they come.

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

--- Pete Theisen <petet wrote:

 

> though. I do this

> because I am pushing 60 and my hand gets tired

> holding the moxa stick.

 

You can put moxa on the needle...?

 

Hugo

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Hugo Ramiro wrote:

>

> --- Pete Theisen <petet wrote:

>

>

>>though. I do this

>>because I am pushing 60 and my hand gets tired

>>holding the moxa stick.

>

>

> You can put moxa on the needle...?

>

 

Hi Hugo!

 

Haven't had a lot of luck with that - I am always afraid it will fall

off and burn the poor patient . . .

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Hi I use needle moxa all the time I use the Japanese moos from OMS, not the

loose Chinese Moxa. Roll the Moxa in a loose ball. After you put it on the

needle, tap the needle at the base to make sure the moxa doesn't fall off. Also

make sure that the moxa has a round shape and doesn't have any loose

" dandruff " off to the sides. these pieces are the ones that fall off. When you

light

it start from the bottom, NOT FROM THE TOP, and make sure it is lite on both

sides of the needle. That way it seems to adhere to the needle better.

I have never had it fall off when I followed these procedures. I also have a

glass of water nearby and stay with the patient with a pair of tweezers handy

in case it looks funky. My most common reason for taking the moxa off is

because it gets too hot. The tighter that you roll the moxa ball before putting

it on the needle the hotter it will get.

Try it it's a great treatment.

Shad Reinstein

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Hi Hugo!

 

Haven't had a lot of luck with that - I am always afraid it will fall

off and burn the poor patient . . .

 

Regards,

 

Pete

 

Hi Pete,

Using moxa on needles is very simple BUT very useful at times.I suggest that

you cut up some card and put a slot in a square piece of card and place that

on the skin around the needle.

Also explain to your patients about moxa and get them to sign a prepared

consent form if you are really worried.Don't let fear stop you doing

something very effective!To date after many thousand patients have not

burned one.

Regards Ray Ford

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rayford wrote:

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> Hi Pete, Using moxa on needles is very simple BUT very useful at

> times.I suggest that you cut up some card and put a slot in a square

> piece of card and place that

 

Hi Dr. Ray!

 

Card? What kind of card, paperboard stock?

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

Hi Pete,

Now this is all very high tech!!! I use the box that the moxa comes in or

any other cardboard that i receive,its a good way of re-cycling. Even old

business cards will do the trick.You want a piece of card about as thick and

same size of the average business card.

 

Cut a v-shaped sliver to about half way out of the card which will then

slot " on the body but against the needle.I use high grade moxa from Japan

which you can buy in sticks which have been peforated into pieces,very

convenient.

These are then broken off and placed onto the needle.I light both sides at

the same time so that it burns evenly.This type of moxa is much more

expensive but very high quality.

 

It is made from the " wool " that is under the leaf of the mugwort so doesn't

contain any of the leaves or twigs which can spit or jump(only happens

rarely).This type of moxa burns evenly and slowly and burns in on itself to

a very light ash.One has to be careful when removing the ash as there can

still be some burning going on in the centre which you cannot see.To prevent

a burn for you or your patient get a spoon and cut a groove to about halfway

at the end of the groove drill a very small hole which is big enough to pass

over the head of the needle(from below).These spoons are available to buy

from Japanese acupuncture suppliers.

When the moxa is burnt out remove with the spoon by placing the spoon

UNDERNEATH the moxa and move upwards. If you have waited long enough ALL you

will have is ash,a very very light ash.Have a small container close by to

place the ash into.You are then ready to place your next piece of moxa if

you wish.REMEMBER the needle will still be very very hot so wait a short

while before touching the needle at all even to remove the needle.After a

while you will know how long to wait.

Japanese Moxa is only a preference no right or wrong here.The cheaper

Chinese sticks work well but for me give off too much smoke.I see so many

patients each day that on a really busy day the clinic can look like a

London fog even with extractors going full bore this can be very irritating

to the eyes of both patients and those working in the clinic.The Japanese

Moxa is less irritating less noxious and less smoky so I PREFER it.It is

expensive BUT if you build the cost into your treatment charge it will be

worth it for everyone concerned.

Hope this helps

Ray Ford

 

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Thursday, 21 October 2004 12:26:19 AM

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Re: New Case: Athletic overuse

 

 

rayford wrote:

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>

> Hi Pete, Using moxa on needles is very simple BUT very useful at

> times.I suggest that you cut up some card and put a slot in a square

> piece of card and place that

 

Hi Dr. Ray!

 

Card? What kind of card, paperboard stock?

 

Regards,

 

Pete

[Guest guest]

rayford wrote:

>

> Hi Pete,

> Now this is all very high tech!!! I use the box that the moxa comes in or

> any other cardboard that i receive,its a good way of re-cycling. Even old

> business cards will do the trick.You want a piece of card about as thick and

> same size of the average business card.

>

> Cut a v-shaped sliver to about half way out of the card which will then

> slot " on the body but against the needle.I use high grade moxa from Japan

 

Hi Dr. Ray!

 

Who is the vendor?

 

Regards,

 

Pete