Dr. Deagle, and his views

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2221852945040630461

Dr. Deagle, Part 1

This is the most important and comprehensive video you will

ever see. Dr. Deagle is a highly intelligent whistle-blower with info

that you need to know about nutrition, extraterrestrails, New World

Order, Moon Base, Mars colony, Deep Underground Military Bases, super

soldiers, GMO, Illuminati 4th dimensional workings, even modified attack

baboons.

An interesting series of a total of 4 videos you might find of interest.

This link is for first part. Other 3 you'll see listed on same

page.

I haven't watched all of it yet but thought I will pass this on.

Hanneke

[Guest guest]

It sure gives rise to a big WOW.

To everyone, if there is nothing interesting to watch anywhere

else, watch these 4 videos.

Hanneke

At 10:14 AM 31/03/2008, you wrote:

All I can say is WOW!!

MINDBLOWING Info!!

Thanks 4 the linkage

Hanneke <blosshan wrote:

 

 

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2221852945040630461

Dr. Beagle, Part 1

This is the most important and comprehensive video you will ever see.

Dr. Deagle is a highly intelligent whistle-blower with info that

you need to know about nutrition, extraterrestrails, New World

Order, Moon Base, Mars colony, Deep Underground Military Bases, super

soldiers, GMO, Illuminati 4th dimensional workings, even modified attack

baboons.

An interesting series of a total of 4 videos you might find of

interest. This link is for first part. Other 3 you'll see listed on

same page.

I haven't watched all of it yet but thought I will pass this

on.

Hanneke

 

 

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He sure is a clever guy, but I am not sure he is not pulling my leg.Den 31/03/2008 kl. 07.43 skrev Hanneke:It sure gives rise to a big WOW. To everyone, if there is nothing interesting to watch anywhere else, watch these 4 videos.HannekeAt 10:14 AM 31/03/2008, you wrote:All I can say is WOW!! MINDBLOWING Info!!Thanks 4 the linkageHanneke <blosshan (AT) aapt (DOT) net.au> wrote: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2221852945040630461Dr. Beagle, Part 1This is the most important and comprehensive video you will ever see. Dr. Deagle is a highly intelligent whistle-blower with info that you need to know about nutrition, extraterrestrails, New World Order, Moon Base, Mars colony, Deep Underground Military Bases, super soldiers, GMO, Illuminati 4th dimensional workings, even modified attack baboons. An interesting series of a total of 4 videos you might find of interest. This link is for first part. Other 3 you'll see listed on same page.I haven't watched all of it yet but thought I will pass this on.Hanneke "Accept and Be, Rather than Deny and Flee" by Cleveland Wade"Living is Connected to Giving" by Cornell WestYou rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1350 - Release 30/03/2008 12:32 PM

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Kenn, did you watch all the videos or only the first one of this lecture?

 

Just watched part 2 for the second time, lots of info, (only 37 minutes)

It's called Solutions to Wellness, Solutions to a Toxic World.

 

At 10:04 PM 31/03/2008, you wrote:

>He sure is a clever guy, but I am not sure he is not pulling my leg.

>

>

>

>Den 31/03/2008 kl. 07.43 skrev Hanneke:

>>

>>I

[Guest guest]

I watched 2 hours and 18 minute, I think it was.......is that not what there is........Den 31/03/2008 kl. 14.56 skrev Hanneke:Kenn, did you watch all the videos or only the first one of this lecture?Just watched part 2 for the second time, lots of info, (only 37 minutes)It's called Solutions to Wellness, Solutions to a Toxic World.At 10:04 PM 31/03/2008, you wrote:>He sure is a clever guy, but I am not sure he is not pulling my leg.>>>>Den 31/03/2008 kl. 07.43 skrev Hanneke:>>>>I

[Guest guest]

Part 2

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2585664107547943684 37

min

part 3

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-452228146235353070

1.01 hr

part 4

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2014494460891596371 11

minutes

Part 2 focuses on surviving

part 3 goes into the spiritual side of who we are, our

responsibility. I can imagine he might lose a few viewers here but

if you can persist you might find it of interest

Part 4, he answers he few questions.

Hanneke

 

At 03:59 AM 1/04/2008, you wrote:

I watched 2 hours and 18 minute,

I think it was.......is that not what there is........

 

Den 31/03/2008 kl. 14.56 skrev Hanneke:

 

Kenn, did you watch all the videos or only the first one of this

lecture?

Just watched part 2 for the second time, lots of info, (only 37

minutes)

It's called Solutions to Wellness, Solutions to a Toxic World.

At 10:04 PM 31/03/2008, you wrote:

>He sure is a clever guy, but I am not sure he is not pulling my

leg.

>

>

>

>Den 31/03/2008 kl. 07.43 skrev Hanneke:

>>

>>I

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I have not seen those cut up pieces, I suppose it is the same. I clicked on your link and I got direct to it, a more than 2 hour long video. By the way, he did not answer the questions.....he is a clever agitator.KennDen 31/03/2008 kl. 19.58 skrev Hanneke:Part 2http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2585664107547943684 37 minpart 3http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-452228146235353070 1.01 hrpart 4http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2014494460891596371 11 minutesPart 2 focuses on survivingpart 3 goes into the spiritual side of who we are, our responsibility. I can imagine he might lose a few viewers here but if you can persist you might find it of interest Part 4, he answers he few questions.HannekeAt 03:59 AM 1/04/2008, you wrote:I watched 2 hours and 18 minute, I think it was.......is that not what there is........Den 31/03/2008 kl. 14.56 skrev Hanneke:Kenn, did you watch all the videos or only the first one of this lecture?Just watched part 2 for the second time, lots of info, (only 37 minutes)It's called Solutions to Wellness, Solutions to a Toxic World.At 10:04 PM 31/03/2008, you wrote:>He sure is a clever guy, but I am not sure he is not pulling my leg.>>>>Den 31/03/2008 kl. 07.43 skrev Hanneke:>>>>IChecked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1350 - Release 30/03/2008 12:32 PM

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I have heard most of what he says from different sources--doesn't surprise me. I just put all this stuff on the backburner and see what comes up after awhile.... He also speaks at most 9-11 conferences. Bea Kenn Johnsen <kennj wrote: I have not seen those cut up pieces, I suppose it is the same. I clicked on your link and I got direct to it, a more than 2 hour long video. By the way, he did not answer the questions.....he is a clever agitator. Kenn Den 31/03/2008 kl. 19.58 skrev Hanneke: Part 2http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2585664107547943684 37 minpart 3http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-452228146235353070 1.01 hrpart 4http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2014494460891596371 11 minutesPart 2 focuses on survivingpart 3 goes into the spiritual side of who we are, our responsibility. I can imagine he might lose a few viewers here but if you can persist you might find it of interest Part 4, he answers he few questions.HannekeAt 03:59 AM 1/04/2008, you wrote: I watched 2 hours and 18 minute, I think it was.......is that not what there is........Den 31/03/2008 kl. 14.56 skrev Hanneke: Kenn, did you watch all the videos or only the first one of this lecture?Just watched

part 2 for the second time, lots of info, (only 37 minutes)It's called Solutions to Wellness, Solutions to a Toxic World.At 10:04 PM 31/03/2008, you wrote:>He sure is a clever guy, but I am not sure he is not pulling my leg.>>>>Den 31/03/2008 kl. 07.43 skrev Hanneke:>>>>IChecked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1350 - Release 30/03/2008 12:32 PM

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[Guest guest]

No, they are not the same.. When I first posted this, it said

clearly that it consisted of 4 parts. and that the other 3 parts

could be found on same page as where you were watching the first part.

 

H.

 

 

 

At 05:53 AM 1/04/2008, you wrote:

>I have not seen those cut up pieces, I suppose it is the same. I

>clicked on your link and I got direct to it, a more than 2 hour long

>video. By the way, he did not answer the questions.....he is a clever agitator.

>

>Kenn

[Guest guest]

Try the second video Ken

 

Jane

 

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Kenn Johnsen

Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:29 AM

Re: Dr. Deagle, and his views

I watched 2 hours and 18 minute, I think it was.......is that not what there is........

 

 

 

Den 31/03/2008 kl. 14.56 skrev Hanneke:

 

 

 

 

 

Kenn, did you watch all the videos or only the first one of this lecture?Just watched part 2 for the second time, lots of info, (only 37 minutes)It's called Solutions to Wellness, Solutions to a Toxic World.At 10:04 PM 31/03/2008, you wrote:>He sure is a clever guy, but I am not sure he is not pulling my leg.>>>>Den 31/03/2008 kl. 07.43 skrev Hanneke:>>>>I

[Guest guest]

It would be best if people were to watch Number 2 first - and then if they want more to go to the other talks -

 

Best,

 

Jane

 

Part 2http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2585664107547943684 37 minpart 3http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-452228146235353070 1.01 hrpart 4http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2014494460891596371 11 minutesPart 2 focuses on survivingpart 3 goes into the spiritual side of who we are, our responsibility. I can imagine he might lose a few viewers here but if you can persist you might find it of interest Part 4, he answers he few questions.

 

-

Kenn Johnsen

Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:29 AM

Re: Dr. Deagle, and his views

I watched 2 hours and 18 minute, I think it was.......is that not what there is........

 

 

 

Den 31/03/2008 kl. 14.56 skrev Hanneke:

 

 

 

 

 

Kenn, did you watch all the videos or only the first one of this lecture?Just watched part 2 for the second time, lots of info, (only 37 minutes)It's called Solutions to Wellness, Solutions to a Toxic World.At 10:04 PM 31/03/2008, you wrote:>He sure is a clever guy, but I am not sure he is not pulling my leg.>>>>Den 31/03/2008 kl. 07.43 skrev Hanneke:>>>>I

[Guest guest]

At 03:17 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote:

I have to agree with Kenn. Deagle has some good and interesting

information, but he's way out there on a number of issues. Mmm, let's see

- not too long ago, people in this group had a debate as to whether

or not the US actually made it the moon...............Deagle states there

is a whole city up there, but it's hidden from all telescopes??? And, his

city on Mars? Not to mention a number of his other theories.

What he said about pain patients and pain docs is true. He's got some

good theories on some things. But, unfortunately, whenever someone has

some crazy theories in one area, it bleeds into what he says in others.

And his crop circle theory? One is usually either credible, or they

aren't. Deagle speaks about being on a so called " double black

list. " If it's so secret, how do you suppose he found that out? that

would probably fall under the category of, " if I tell you, I'll have

to kill you. " I honestly think he doesn't have to worry - some

of his theories are so way out there, that a lot of people are going to

discard most of what he says anyway.

Out of curiosity, what happened to part 1?

Lynn

 

It would be best if people were to watch

Number 2 first - and then if they want more to go to the other talks -

 

 

Best,

 

Jane

 

Part 2

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2585664107547943684 37

min

part 3

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-452228146235353070

1.01 hr

part 4

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2014494460891596371 11

minutes

Part 2 focuses on surviving

part 3 goes into the spiritual side of who we are, our

responsibility. I can imagine he might lose a few viewers here but

if you can persist you might find it of interest

Part 4, he answers he few questions.

[Guest guest]

According to him the US has super weapon, something I have only heard - seen in a cartoon film. I do believe that the US military have nasty weapons that I have never heard about........but. Also some are flying regularly flight to Mars....and to the Moon, and they are mining the Moon........hmmmmm......I do not believe it, not a word. He certainly got brain power, but that does not mean he can not have a wild fantasy.Part one is up above, just click on the picture, you will have it.Den 01/04/2008 kl. 19.17 skrev Lynn Ward:At 03:17 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote:I have to agree with Kenn. Deagle has some good and interesting information, but he's way out there on a number of issues. Mmm, let's see - not too long ago, people in this group had a debate as to whether or not the US actually made it the moon...............Deagle states there is a whole city up there, but it's hidden from all telescopes??? And, his city on Mars? Not to mention a number of his other theories.What he said about pain patients and pain docs is true. He's got some good theories on some things. But, unfortunately, whenever someone has some crazy theories in one area, it bleeds into what he says in others. And his crop circle theory? One is usually either credible, or they aren't. Deagle speaks about being on a so called "double black list." If it's so secret, how do you suppose he found that out? that would probably fall under the category of, "if I tell you, I'll have to kill you." I honestly think he doesn't have to worry - some of his theories are so way out there, that a lot of people are going to discard most of what he says anyway.Out of curiosity, what happened to part 1?LynnIt would be best if people were to watch Number 2 first - and then if they want more to go to the other talks - Best, Jane Part 2http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2585664107547943684 37 minpart 3http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-452228146235353070 1.01 hrpart 4http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2014494460891596371 11 minutesPart 2 focuses on survivingpart 3 goes into the spiritual side of who we are, our responsibility. I can imagine he might lose a few viewers here but if you can persist you might find it of interest Part 4, he answers he few questions.

[Guest guest]

We watched it. No 1. Thats why it wasn't on the list.

 

My DH (d 1984 ) always said there was a population on the moon - that we hadn't seen the other side of the moon - he was ex-army - but he was a Pink Floyd fan too

 

Jane

 

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Lynn Ward

Wednesday, April 02, 2008 3:17 AM

Re: Dr. Deagle, and his views

At 03:17 AM 4/1/2008, you wrote:I have to agree with Kenn. Deagle has some good and interesting information, but he's way out there on a number of issues. Mmm, let's see - not too long ago, people in this group had a debate as to whether or not the US actually made it the moon...............Deagle states there is a whole city up there, but it's hidden from all telescopes??? And, his city on Mars? Not to mention a number of his other theories.What he said about pain patients and pain docs is true. He's got some good theories on some things. But, unfortunately, whenever someone has some crazy theories in one area, it bleeds into what he says in others. And his crop circle theory? One is usually either credible, or they aren't. Deagle speaks about being on a so called "double black list." If it's so secret, how do you suppose he found that out? that would probably fall under the category of, "if I tell you, I'll have to kill you." I honestly think he doesn't have to worry - some of his theories are so way out there, that a lot of people are going to discard most of what he says anyway.Out of curiosity, what happened to part 1?Lynn

It would be best if people were to watch Number 2 first - and then if they want more to go to the other talks - Best, Jane Part 2http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2585664107547943684 37 minpart 3http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-452228146235353070 1.01 hrpart 4http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2014494460891596371 11 minutesPart 2 focuses on survivingpart 3 goes into the spiritual side of who we are, our responsibility. I can imagine he might lose a few viewers here but if you can persist you might find it of interest Part 4, he answers he few questions.

[Guest guest]

Hi Kenn,In September 2000, US Air Force Sergeant Karl Wolfe testified while working at a National Security Agency facility on Langley Air Force Base in Virginia in July of 1965 -- he was shown photographs taken by the Lunar Orbiter -- of a base on the backside of the Moon.Source:-- Disclosure: Military and Government Witnesses Reveal the Greatest Secrets in Modern History by Steven Greer, M.D.See: http://www.phils.com.au/karlwolfe.htmMary JoRe: Dr. Deagle, and his viewsPosted by: "Kenn Johnsen" kennj   johnsenkennTue Apr 1, 2008 10:49 am (PDT)According to him the US has super weapon, something I have only heard - seen in a cartoon film. I do believe that the US military have nasty weapons that I have never heard about........but. Also some are flying regularly flight to Mars....and to the Moon, and they are mining the Moon........hmmmmm......I do not believe it, not a word. He certainly got brain power, but that does not mean he can not have a wild fantasy.

[Guest guest]

Did he said it was US bases.......?KennDen 01/04/2008 kl. 22.33 skrev Mary Jo Fahey:Hi Kenn,In September 2000, US Air Force Sergeant Karl Wolfe testified while working at a National Security Agency facility on Langley Air Force Base in Virginia in July of 1965 -- he was shown photographs taken by the Lunar Orbiter -- of a base on the backside of the Moon.Source:-- Disclosure: Military and Government Witnesses Reveal the Greatest Secrets in Modern History by Steven Greer, M.D.See: http://www.phils.com.au/karlwolfe.htmMary JoRe: Dr. Deagle, and his viewsPosted by: "Kenn Johnsen" kennj (AT) webspeed (DOT) dk johnsenkennTue Apr 1, 2008 10:49 am (PDT)According to him the US has super weapon, something I have only heard - seen in a cartoon film. I do believe that the US military have nasty weapons that I have never heard about........but. Also some are flying regularly flight to Mars....and to the Moon, and they are mining the Moon........hmmmmm......I do not believe it, not a word. He certainly got brain power, but that does not mean he can not have a wild fantasy.

[Guest guest]

At 04:12 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote:

Ah, yes.....I remember Pink Floyd.....through a haze...........

Actually, on the site that had Deagle's videos, I didn't see #1 either.

It's ok, though. I'm sure it will turn up somewhere......*smile*

Lynn

 

We watched it. No 1. Thats why it wasn't on

the list.

 

My DH (d 1984 ) always said

there was a population on the moon - that we hadn't seen the other side

of the moon - he was ex-army - but he was a Pink Floyd fan too

 

Jane

[Guest guest]

At 04:33 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote:

Mary Jo,

I guess I'm confused. Not more than a month ago, there was a lively

discussion about whether or not the moon landing was real. Some people

felt very strongly that it wasn't possible. That it was a hoax. The

temperature, the radiation the Van Allen Belt (did I get that

right?). Guess you weren't here yet? Too bad, your stuff would have been

a valuable contribution in what has turned out to be a very controversial

subject.

So, kids - if it's possible to put a base on the moon, especially the

dark side of the moon, it certainly would be possible to have had the

moon landing as was shown. Wouldn't it?

Lynn

 

Hi Kenn,

In September 2000, US Air Force Sergeant Karl Wolfe testified while

working at a National Security Agency facility on Langley Air Force Base

in Virginia in July of 1965 -- he was shown photographs taken by the

Lunar Orbiter -- of a base on the backside of the Moon.

Source:

-- Disclosure: Military and Government Witnesses Reveal the Greatest

Secrets in Modern History by Steven Greer, M.D.

See:

 

http://www.phils.com.au/karlwolfe.htm

Mary Jo

[Guest guest]

Hi Kenn,Karl Wolfe said it was an alien base.Steven Greer held a press conference at the Press Club in Washington, D.C. in May, 2001.Here's a CNN news story about the event.Karl Wolfe's testimony is mentioned about halfway through the article.Mary JoArticle by CNN  5-10-2001Private Project Pushes for UFO HearingsWASHINGTON, May 10, 2001 (United Press International via COMTEX) -- A private group called the Disclosure Project has issued a 500-page report asserting the existence of a cover-up of visits by intelligent beings from a planet or planets other than Earth.The group called Wednesday for congressional hearings into UFO sightings and assembled roughly 20 people who told the audience personal stories of witnessing UFOs. One person claimed to have seen aliens and the bodies of aliens from a spacecraft crash. One by one the speakers offered to repeat their stories to Congress under oath. Some of the witnesses spoke matter-of-factly while others were more emotional.John Callahan, now retired, managed an Accident and Investigations Division for the Federal Aviation Administration. He spoke of an incident on Nov. 18, 1986 when a Japanese airliner found itself following, then being followed by, a strange object -- all under the watchful radar of civil and military air traffic authorities.Dan Morris, a retired Air Force Master Sergeant, spoke emotionally about seeing and photographing three UFOs while working at a radar site in Georgia. Enrique Kolbeck, currently employed as an air traffic controller at Mexico City International Airport, said there had been numerous sightings in that area. One such incident, on March 4, 1992, involved 15 UFOs.In the summer of 1994 there were a number of sightings and nearly two collisions with domestic flights, he said, and on Sep 15 of that year, a UFO lingered for hours on their radar."We had a detection of about 5 hours more or less on our radar We believed the equipment was working in not a good way, because it is not [usual] that we have detection for five hours of the same object and it is on hold. We conferred with the persons for radar in our country and confirmed that the radar was working well. It was very exciting." Kolbeck said they were surprised to find the next day that the saucer had been seen by many people on the ground.Kolbeck later told UPI that his motivation for speaking at the Disclosure presentation was to gain information on what was happening.Dr. Steven Greer, director of the project and a former emergency room doctor, chaired the event. Based in Virginia, Greer left the practice of medicine to pursue people's UFO stories full time. Greer asserted that evidence of visitations was lacking largely because the governments of the world were cooperating to keep the facts from the public -- including airbrushing satellite photos to remove telltale signs of spacecraft."We are suggesting that ...before the public gets hold of anything that is off of a government-connected satellite there is a [classified] operation that does indeed sanitize this type of evidence," said Greer. "We do know there has been a very thorough sanitizing of this." Greer said he has interviewed some 400 people with firsthand knowledge of UFO sightings or alien evidence. But he said they will not come forward without congressional immunity.It is not likely that a cover-up of UFO evidence could last across decades and multiple world governments according to John Pike, Director of Globalsecurity.org."I find it inconceivable that such a big secret could be kept for so long," Pike told UPI, adding, "the bigger the secret, the faster it leaks." Among the facts being hidden, according to former Air Force Sergeant and Disclosure speaker Karl Wolfe, was an alien base on the far side of the moon.NASA historian Glen Swanson told UPI that there was no information on UFO's in his office's files at Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas. The Center has transcripts of the air-to-ground conversations, he said, including the comments the astronauts made while they passed around the far side of the moon and were out of touch with flight control. NASA officials told UPI that the agency is not involved in studying the UFO issue.One person who is searching for intelligent galactic neighbors is Seth Shostak, an astronomer with the SETI Institute. SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, scans the skies for signals from space. The SETI team has not seen evidence of on-Earth visitors, he said. But he explained that the SETI search is a very narrow one and not likely to turn up such evidence.Shostak discounted reports of UFOs because they have not been corroborated by the many satellites now circling the Earth. Though he hopes to find evidence of intelligent life he termed "untenable" the notion that so many governments across the world would be able to keep such a secret for long.During the presentation Greer asserted that technology from downed spacecraft had been incorporated into modern programs. Greer even showed a drawing of a saucer-like circular vehicle he said had been under development.Pike, an expert on space and military projects, said however that he had seen no evidence that advanced alien technology had been incorporated into military hardware."I am not aware of any technologies that are not explicable," said Pike. Spokespersons for the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee and House Science Committee said that no hearings are currently scheduled on UFOs.Both noted when asked, however, that hearings are only scheduled about a week in advance. The Senate spokeswoman said her committee was waiting to receive the materials. Did the Disclosure witnesses indeed see UFOs? Possibly -- at least in the sense that what they saw was unexplained.There are many unexplained incidents. From 1947 through 1969 the Air Force investigated UFOs under a program called Project Blue Book. The project is seen by some, and was mentioned specifically by Morris, as an effort to divert or discredit evidence of UFOs. But even the Air Force was not able to explain everything. According to an Air Force fact sheet on Blue Book, 701 of the 12,618 sightings studied remained mysterious after nearly 20 years of effort.Just because you see something on radar that you can't explain doesn't make it an alien craft, said Shostak. "The [Washington D.C.] police solve 70 percent of the murders," he said, "does that mean the rest are committed by aliens?"It is impossible to prove a negative though, noted one person at the presentation. "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence," a speaker told the audience.By DEE ANN DIVIS, UPI Science NewsCopyright 2001 by United Press International.Re: Dr. Deagle, and his viewsPosted by: "Kenn Johnsen" kennj   johnsenkennTue Apr 1, 2008 5:56 pm (PDT)Did he said it was US bases.......?KennDen 01/04/2008 kl. 22.33 skrev Mary Jo Fahey:>> Hi Kenn,>> In September 2000, US Air Force Sergeant Karl Wolfe testified while > working at a National Security Agency facility on Langley Air Force > Base in Virginia in July of 1965 -- he was shown photographs taken > by the Lunar Orbiter -- of a base on the backside of the Moon.>> Source:>> -- Disclosure: Military and Government Witnesses Reveal the Greatest > Secrets in Modern History by Steven Greer, M.D.>> See: http://www.phils.com.au/karlwolfe.htm

[Guest guest]

Sure if they have bases on the Moon, it got to be possible to get there. But how do you know they got bases on the Moon......just because a fantast say so.....where is the prove.....not one ounce of prove. Well now, are they traveling to Mars too.....he says so.Den 02/04/2008 kl. 02.16 skrev Lynn Ward:At 04:33 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote:Mary Jo,I guess I'm confused. Not more than a month ago, there was a lively discussion about whether or not the moon landing was real. Some people felt very strongly that it wasn't possible. That it was a hoax. The temperature, the radiation the Van Allen Belt (did I get that right?). Guess you weren't here yet? Too bad, your stuff would have been a valuable contribution in what has turned out to be a very controversial subject.So, kids - if it's possible to put a base on the moon, especially the dark side of the moon, it certainly would be possible to have had the moon landing as was shown. Wouldn't it?LynnHi Kenn,In September 2000, US Air Force Sergeant Karl Wolfe testified while working at a National Security Agency facility on Langley Air Force Base in Virginia in July of 1965 -- he was shown photographs taken by the Lunar Orbiter -- of a base on the backside of the Moon.Source:-- Disclosure: Military and Government Witnesses Reveal the Greatest Secrets in Modern History by Steven Greer, M.D.See: http://www.phils.com.au/karlwolfe.htmMary Jo

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Hi Lynn,I've heard of the theory that we did not really go to the moon.I saw Steven Greer speak at the New York Academy of Medicine in October 2001.It was my first introduction to the subject of UFOs.I realized, as the presentation began, that Greer was not there to prove that ET exist—but rather, to inform the audience about black ops projects. He said there have been at least 12 Roswells and that zero point energy exists — energy that would free us from a dependence on oil.Steven Greer worked on what he called the Disclosure Project for 10 years—and then gave it up. He wanted Congress to hold a formal hearing for the 400+ witnesses that he rounded up—who had experiences with UFOs. It never happened. The witnesses were mostly ex-government employees (pilots, air traffic controllers, military, etc.).BTW: Yesterday's NY Times has an article called, "Inside the Black Budget:"http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/01/science/01patc.htmlMary JoRe: Dr. Deagle, and his viewsPosted by: "Lynn Ward" lynnward   lynn_ward2002Tue Apr 1, 2008 6:32 pm (PDT)At 04:33 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote:Mary Jo,I guess I'm confused. Not more than a month ago, there was a lively discussion about whether or not the moon landing was real. Some people felt very strongly that it wasn't possible. That it was a hoax. The temperature, the radiation the Van Allen Belt (did I get that right?). Guess you weren't here yet? Too bad, your stuff would have been a valuable contribution in what has turned out to be a very controversial subject.So, kids - if it's possible to put a base on the moon, especially the dark side of the moon, it certainly would be possible to have had the moon landing as was shown. Wouldn't it?Lynn>Hi Kenn,>>In September 2000, US Air Force Sergeant Karl Wolfe testified while >working at a National Security Agency facility on Langley Air Force >Base in Virginia in July of 1965 -- he was shown photographs taken >by the Lunar Orbiter -- of a base on the backside of the Moon.

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That is possible, I do not know if so I have not seen any prove. But they are certainly not made by any earthlings.Den 02/04/2008 kl. 14.52 skrev Mary Jo Fahey:Hi Kenn,Karl Wolfe said it was an alien base.Steven Greer held a press conference at the Press Club in Washington, D.C. in May, 2001.Here's a CNN news story about the event.Karl Wolfe's testimony is mentioned about halfway through the article.Mary JoArticle by CNN 5-10-2001Private Project Pushes for UFO HearingsWASHINGTON, May 10, 2001 (United Press International via COMTEX) -- A private group called the Disclosure Project has issued a 500-page report asserting the existence of a cover-up of visits by intelligent beings from a planet or planets other than Earth.The group called Wednesday for congressional hearings into UFO sightings and assembled roughly 20 people who told the audience personal stories of witnessing UFOs. One person claimed to have seen aliens and the bodies of aliens from a spacecraft crash. One by one the speakers offered to repeat their stories to Congress under oath. Some of the witnesses spoke matter-of-factly while others were more emotional.John Callahan, now retired, managed an Accident and Investigations Division for the Federal Aviation Administration. He spoke of an incident on Nov. 18, 1986 when a Japanese airliner found itself following, then being followed by, a strange object -- all under the watchful radar of civil and military air traffic authorities.Dan Morris, a retired Air Force Master Sergeant, spoke emotionally about seeing and photographing three UFOs while working at a radar site in Georgia. Enrique Kolbeck, currently employed as an air traffic controller at Mexico City International Airport, said there had been numerous sightings in that area. One such incident, on March 4, 1992, involved 15 UFOs.In the summer of 1994 there were a number of sightings and nearly two collisions with domestic flights, he said, and on Sep 15 of that year, a UFO lingered for hours on their radar."We had a detection of about 5 hours more or less on our radar We believed the equipment was working in not a good way, because it is not [usual] that we have detection for five hours of the same object and it is on hold. We conferred with the persons for radar in our country and confirmed that the radar was working well. It was very exciting." Kolbeck said they were surprised to find the next day that the saucer had been seen by many people on the ground.Kolbeck later told UPI that his motivation for speaking at the Disclosure presentation was to gain information on what was happening.Dr. Steven Greer, director of the project and a former emergency room doctor, chaired the event. Based in Virginia, Greer left the practice of medicine to pursue people's UFO stories full time. Greer asserted that evidence of visitations was lacking largely because the governments of the world were cooperating to keep the facts from the public -- including airbrushing satellite photos to remove telltale signs of spacecraft."We are suggesting that ...before the public gets hold of anything that is off of a government-connected satellite there is a [classified] operation that does indeed sanitize this type of evidence," said Greer. "We do know there has been a very thorough sanitizing of this." Greer said he has interviewed some 400 people with firsthand knowledge of UFO sightings or alien evidence. But he said they will not come forward without congressional immunity.It is not likely that a cover-up of UFO evidence could last across decades and multiple world governments according to John Pike, Director of Globalsecurity.org."I find it inconceivable that such a big secret could be kept for so long," Pike told UPI, adding, "the bigger the secret, the faster it leaks." Among the facts being hidden, according to former Air Force Sergeant and Disclosure speaker Karl Wolfe, was an alien base on the far side of the moon.NASA historian Glen Swanson told UPI that there was no information on UFO's in his office's files at Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas. The Center has transcripts of the air-to-ground conversations, he said, including the comments the astronauts made while they passed around the far side of the moon and were out of touch with flight control. NASA officials told UPI that the agency is not involved in studying the UFO issue.One person who is searching for intelligent galactic neighbors is Seth Shostak, an astronomer with the SETI Institute. SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, scans the skies for signals from space. The SETI team has not seen evidence of on-Earth visitors, he said. But he explained that the SETI search is a very narrow one and not likely to turn up such evidence.Shostak discounted reports of UFOs because they have not been corroborated by the many satellites now circling the Earth. Though he hopes to find evidence of intelligent life he termed "untenable" the notion that so many governments across the world would be able to keep such a secret for long.During the presentation Greer asserted that technology from downed spacecraft had been incorporated into modern programs. Greer even showed a drawing of a saucer-like circular vehicle he said had been under development.Pike, an expert on space and military projects, said however that he had seen no evidence that advanced alien technology had been incorporated into military hardware."I am not aware of any technologies that are not explicable," said Pike. Spokespersons for the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee and House Science Committee said that no hearings are currently scheduled on UFOs.Both noted when asked, however, that hearings are only scheduled about a week in advance. The Senate spokeswoman said her committee was waiting to receive the materials. Did the Disclosure witnesses indeed see UFOs? Possibly -- at least in the sense that what they saw was unexplained.There are many unexplained incidents. From 1947 through 1969 the Air Force investigated UFOs under a program called Project Blue Book. The project is seen by some, and was mentioned specifically by Morris, as an effort to divert or discredit evidence of UFOs. But even the Air Force was not able to explain everything. According to an Air Force fact sheet on Blue Book, 701 of the 12,618 sightings studied remained mysterious after nearly 20 years of effort.Just because you see something on radar that you can't explain doesn't make it an alien craft, said Shostak. "The [Washington D.C.] police solve 70 percent of the murders," he said, "does that mean the rest are committed by aliens?"It is impossible to prove a negative though, noted one person at the presentation. "The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence," a speaker told the audience.By DEE ANN DIVIS, UPI Science NewsCopyright 2001 by United Press International.Re: Dr. Deagle, and his viewsPosted by: "Kenn Johnsen" kennj (AT) webspeed (DOT) dk johnsenkennTue Apr 1, 2008 5:56 pm (PDT)Did he said it was US bases.......?KennDen 01/04/2008 kl. 22.33 skrev Mary Jo Fahey:>> Hi Kenn,>> In September 2000, US Air Force Sergeant Karl Wolfe testified while > working at a National Security Agency facility on Langley Air Force > Base in Virginia in July of 1965 -- he was shown photographs taken > by the Lunar Orbiter -- of a base on the backside of the Moon.>> Source:>> -- Disclosure: Military and Government Witnesses Reveal the Greatest > Secrets in Modern History by Steven Greer, M.D.>> See: http://www.phils.com.au/karlwolfe.htm

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At 11:04 AM 4/2/2008, you wrote:

Mary Jo,

Ah, that issue has been vigorously debated in this group. and, there are

a number of conspiracy theory groups which talk about the same thing. I'm

one of those who believes we did go to the moon, but there are

quite a number who do not. I tend to think there is tangible proof we

did, but some feel that evidence such as moon rocks and so forth could be

fabricated - even if they have gone to scientists around the world. Some

feel the scientists are in the conspiracy as well. It doesn't make

sense to me why countries who were not particularly friendly with us,

would agree to keep a secret such as that. I also do not believe that any

conspiracy which involves a lot of people can be kept a secret for very

long. The more complex the conspiracy, the more people who are involved.

the less the likelihood it will remain a secret. IMO. which, kind of

brings me to your post and the interesting article you pointed us

toward.

It must have been very interesting to listen to Greer. I've always

believed in UFO's and life on other planets. Seems awfully conceited to

believe we are the only sentient beings around.

Now, on to Trevor Paglen's book. He certainly has some interesting things

to say, but there are a couple things I have to take issue with - one,

frankly, are some of his so-called recollections from his youth. I've

been around military personnel most of my life. I've known some CIA

agents. I've also worked with and have known a number of folks who worked

in and with highly classified information. His ostensible relocations

from his youth, I believe are bogus. He says, " ...when his military

family traveled the globe to bases often involved in secret

missions. " First, as youth, he wouldn't have known about

these " secret " missions. And, in all likelihood, would not have

known which bases or personnel were involved in " secret

missions. "

He also said, “I’d go out drinking with Special Forces guys,” he

recalled. “I was 15, and they were 20, and they could never say where

they where coming from or what they were doing. You were just around the

stuff.” Now, I have to tell you, that I've known a number of fellows who

were in Special Forces. First of all, I highly doubt they would have gone

drinking with a 15 year old. Not even in Europe, where he could have

probably gotten away with it. I drank at a very young age. Pretty much,

if you could get your money on the bar, you could drink. Very different

than over here.

Secondly, those guys just don't hang around with anyone. Not to mention,

if they would have been caught, drinking with an underage kid, they could

be court-martialed. The military is very funny about things like that.

Very strict. There is a strict code of conduct, that they all must

follow, or get kicked out. But, not before they might spend some time in

the brig (prison). Not to mention, IF he happened to wind up being around

some of them, which I highly doubt, they wouldn't have even made

insinuations about what they did. It's a very closed community, and trust

me, they rarely let outsiders in. DH reminded me, the only time any

of these guys would even mention that they were Special Forces, is when

they were trying to pick up a woman. It's like someone who was or is in

Recon - they'll tell each other, and may mention it to a female they're

trying to get friendly with - otherwise, forget it.

According to Paglen, he " traveled widely across the Southwest,

where the military keeps many secret bases. " Well, they're not too

secret if anyone can find out about them, now are they?

The article speaks about the “Black World,” a 2006 display of his

[Paglen's] photographs ...[of] anonymous-looking buildings in parched

landscapes shot through a shimmering heat haze,” [which] “seem to

emit a buzz of mystery as they turn military surveillance inside out:

here the surveillant is surveilled.” Do you, or anyone really think, if

an installation is so secret, that they would have allowed him to take

those pictures? Don't you think, that in so called " secret "

installations, the security around the perimeter is very vigorous? All

one has to do, is think about all the stories that surround Area 51, and

what happens to this day, if anyone gets close enough to even possibly

take a picture. Some of his assertions just do not make any

sense.

But, he's in an interesting position because even though I have no doubt

that in many areas he is more than stretching the truth, or in some, just

downright wrong or inaccurate, no one from any of those

" secret " installations or groups will correct him. Or, say what

he's asserting isn't true. Pretty good position to be in - you can

say whatever you want, and know that no one will correct you. Or, say

you're wrong. Because, to admit anything, would be a violation of the

oath these people took and would get them in more trouble than anyone

could imagine. Possibly, it could even get someone dead. The people who

would know will keep their mouths.

Oh, yeah - that alumni thing - he said he joined some alumni

organizations......do you really believe secret organizations have alumni

organizations?????

Both DH (retired after 20 years in the Marine Corps) and I thought the

patches were very interesting. But, also thought Paglen made some of the

stuff up. For example, his assertion that Patch #4 (in the " more

pictures area) is from the Southwest, " which is many secret units'

home, while military intelligence typically uses green vaults, "

actually made DH laugh. He made me aware of the term, " behind the

green door, " (in reference to the supposed green vaults military

intelligence uses) which he says no military unit would use, or even

imply. Turns out, " Behind the Green Door " is the title of one

of the two best known porn movies of all time (a Marilyn Chambers movie

made in 1972. We believe it was her debut movie, or at least pretty close

to it).

So, while Paglan has some interesting patches, I'm not sure I'd give a

lot of credence to what he says.

Lynn

 

Hi Lynn,

I've heard of the theory that we did not really go to the moon.

I saw Steven Greer speak at the New York Academy of Medicine in October

2001.

It was my first introduction to the subject of UFOs.

I realized, as the presentation began, that Greer was not there to prove

that ET exist—but rather, to inform the audience about black ops

projects. He said there have been at least 12 Roswells and that zero

point energy exists — energy that would free us from a dependence on

oil.

Steven Greer worked on what he called the Disclosure Project for 10

years—and then gave it up. He wanted Congress to hold a formal hearing

for the 400+ witnesses that he rounded up—who had experiences with UFOs.

It never happened. The witnesses were mostly ex-government employees

(pilots, air traffic controllers, military, etc.).

 

BTW: Yesterday's NY Times has an article called, " Inside the Black

Budget: "

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/01/science/01patc.html

Mary Jo

 

 

 

Re: Dr. Deagle, and his views

Posted by: " Lynn Ward "

 

lynnward

 

 

lynn_ward2002

 

Tue Apr 1, 2008 6:32 pm (PDT)

At 04:33 PM 4/1/2008, you wrote:

 

Mary Jo,

 

I guess I'm confused. Not more than a month

ago, there was a lively

discussion about whether or not the moon landing was real. Some

people felt very strongly that it wasn't possible. That it was a

hoax. The temperature, the radiation the Van Allen Belt (did I get

that right?). Guess you weren't here yet? Too bad, your stuff would

have been a valuable contribution in what has turned out to be a very

 

controversial subject.

 

So, kids - if it's possible to put a base on

the moon, especially the

dark side of the moon, it certainly would be possible to have had the

 

moon landing as was shown. Wouldn't it?

 

Lynn

 

>Hi Kenn,

>

>In September 2000, US Air Force Sergeant Karl Wolfe testified while

 

>working at a National Security Agency facility on Langley Air Force

 

>Base in Virginia in July of 1965 -- he was shown photographs taken

 

>by the Lunar Orbiter -- of a base on the backside of the Moon.