Guest guest Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 Please forgive me. But, I think it's such an important issue, I just had to write before it was too late and the film could no longer be viewed. I wanted to send this to you before it gets taken of Geert Wilder's site. I'm sure you've heard of his short movie about the Koran. Initially, an American site was to air it, but backed out due to threats. Yesterday, it was posted on LiveLeak.com, a British site. Millions of people viewed it in the short time it was up. They took it down because of threats that were made that made them afraid for their lives. The saddest and most frightening thing was the last sentence in their statement: " We stood for what we believe in, the ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high. " You can read the statement in it's entirety at LiveLeak's main page http://www.liveleak.com/ The video, as of 3/29/08 at 1333 (1:33 pm) , could be viewed on Wilder's site at http://wildersnews.blogspot.com/2008/03/this-is-official-fitna-movie.html .. Be warned, that there are some very disturbing pictures. Many people are still convinced that Islam is a religion of peace - and that the Koran is a peaceful book. It's not. While it's true that most Muslems are peaceful, and it is the extremists who have been perpetrating the violence, the Koran is very clear about what one is to do with those who do not follow the tenants of Muhammed. However, regardless of what one thinks about the film Fitna, and it's voracity (although so far, many who research this sort of thing have attested to it's accuracy)...whether one believes it's propaganda or whatever, the important thing about all of this, there is no longer, nor has there been for quite some time, the ability to speak freely what one believes. One can say whatever they want about Christianity, Judiasm, Satanism, the Government - whatever. Pick anything. The one area that can not be talked about or discussed, is Islam and the Koran. I'm not talking about news clips and the like - I'm talking about the fact that people, world-wide are afraid to publish pictures or caricatures of Muhammed; that except for a few select sites, discussion about Islam or the Koran is very limited because people are afraid for their lives. Not just in the U.S., but all over the world. I know this isn't news to anyone. But, there are a lot of people who still think Islam is a religion of peace, and that what the Koran is against is people who don't believe in God.........it's not true. What the Koran is against, among other things, is anyone who does not follow Islam. The Koran is very clear about that. I'm sorry of it seems as if I've gone off on a rant, but the last sentence on LiveLeaks' statement is life a knife through my heart - the freedom to speak one's views is something that is very precious, and something that Americans have fought dearly to keep. As have some other countries. And yet, out of Political Correctness - and fear - we are no longer free to voice our opinions in certain areas - not just Islam and the Koran - there are other areas as well. I hate politics - always have. But, if people don't start making a big deal about this right, and start doing it now, we will lose this right, along with a number of others. All of a sudden, we're going to wake up in a world we don't like very much. And, it's going to be our own fault because we didn't do anything when we could have. One has to, at the very least, applaud LiveLeak - they allowed a very controversial film to be aired, when no one else - in the WORLD - would do so. No one else had the guts. I think that one of the reasons that newspapers, websites, etc become afraid, is that they are, essentially, alone. If every paper published the pictures and caricatures of Muhammed, there wouldn't be much the extremists could do - there would be too many to silence. But, it's easy to silence and threaten a single, isolated paper. Same with the websites. If dozens or hundreds of websites ran Wilder's film, there would be too many people to go after. But, one website is easy to threaten. For the most part, I think people believe in the freedom to express one's self and to be critical of a government or religion. But, they are silent. And, if they remain silent, the cost will be very high. Think about this, are YOU willing to pay the price? Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 iT'S GONE FROM THERE WITH NO EXPLANATION - " BLOGGER NOT FOUND " , Lynn Ward <lynnward wrote: > > Please forgive me. But, I think it's such an important issue, I just > had to write before it was too late and the film could no longer be viewed. > > I wanted to send this to you before it gets taken of Geert Wilder's > site. I'm sure you've heard of his short movie about the Koran. > Initially, an American site was to air it, but backed out due to > threats. Yesterday, it was posted on LiveLeak.com, a British site. > Millions of people viewed it in the short time it was up. They took > it down because of threats that were made that made them afraid for > their lives. The saddest and most frightening thing was the last > sentence in their statement: " We stood for what we believe in, the > ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high. " You can > read the statement in it's entirety at LiveLeak's main page > http://www.liveleak.com/ > > The video, as of 3/29/08 at 1333 (1:33 pm) , could be viewed on > Wilder's site at > http://wildersnews.blogspot.com/2008/03/this-is-official-fitna- movie.html. > Be warned, that there are some very disturbing pictures. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Is this what you are looking for? The link may come across broken (in case of the last email) and you have to put it back together. http://wildersnews.blogspot.com/2008/03/this-is-official-fitna-movie.html Cheers BeaMa Nithya Meetaa <colonics4health wrote: iT'S GONE FROM THERE WITH NO EXPLANATION - "BLOGGER NOT FOUND" , Lynn Ward <lynnward wrote:>> Please forgive me. But, I think it's such an important issue, I just > had to write before it was too late and the film could no longer be viewed.> > I wanted to send this to you before it gets taken of Geert Wilder's > site. I'm sure you've heard of his short movie about the Koran. > Initially, an American site was to air it, but backed out due to > threats. Yesterday, it was posted on LiveLeak.com, a British site. > Millions of people viewed it in the short time it was up. They took > it down because of threats that were made that made them afraid for > their lives. The saddest and most frightening thing was the last > sentence in their statement: "We stood for what we believe in, the > ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high. " You can > read the statement in it's entirety at LiveLeak's main page > http://www.liveleak.com/> > The video, as of 3/29/08 at 1333 (1:33 pm) , could be viewed on > Wilder's site at > http://wildersnews.blogspot.com/2008/03/this-is-official-fitna-movie.html. > Be warned, that there are some very disturbing pictures.> > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 I got it to work as well. One thing I see is that one side is about killing and destruction the other side is about peace and love. Hmmmmmmmm...................... Kenneth T - Bea Bernhausen Sunday, March 30, 2008 1:23 AM Re: Re: Price of Free Speach too High? Is this what you are looking for? The link may come across broken (in case of the last email) and you have to put it back together. http://wildersnews.blogspot.com/2008/03/this-is-official-fitna-movie.html Cheers BeaMa Nithya Meetaa <colonics4health wrote: iT'S GONE FROM THERE WITH NO EXPLANATION - "BLOGGER NOT FOUND" , Lynn Ward <lynnward wrote:>> Please forgive me. But, I think it's such an important issue, I just > had to write before it was too late and the film could no longer be viewed.> > I wanted to send this to you before it gets taken of Geert Wilder's > site. I'm sure you've heard of his short movie about the Koran. > Initially, an American site was to air it, but backed out due to > threats. Yesterday, it was posted on LiveLeak.com, a British site. > Millions of people viewed it in the short time it was up. They took > it down because of threats that were made that made them afraid for > their lives. The saddest and most frightening thing was the last > sentence in their statement: "We stood for what we believe in, the > ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high. " You can > read the statement in it's entirety at LiveLeak's main page > http://www.liveleak.com/> > The video, as of 3/29/08 at 1333 (1:33 pm) , could be viewed on > Wilder's site at > http://wildersnews.blogspot.com/2008/03/this-is-official-fitna-movie.html. > Be warned, that there are some very disturbing pictures.> > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 At 11:12 PM 3/29/2008, you wrote: I just checked Wilder's site, and I could still get it.(6:15 pm eastern time) Are you in the U.S.? I don't know if certain countries may have blocked it. People are certainly afraid of the potential reaction and the threat of very real violence. Here's the link again http://wildersnews.blogspot.com/2008/03/this-is-official-fitna-movie.html I went to the home site and couldn't find a reference to it. Let me know if you still can't find it,and I'll do some digging. Lynn iT'S GONE FROM THERE WITH NO EXPLANATION - " BLOGGER NOT FOUND " --- In , Lynn Ward <lynnward wrote: > > Please forgive me. But, I think it's such an important issue, I just > had to write before it was too late and the film could no longer be viewed. > > I wanted to send this to you before it gets taken of Geert Wilder's > site. I'm sure you've heard of his short movie about the Koran. > Initially, an American site was to air it, but backed out due to > threats. Yesterday, it was posted on LiveLeak.com, a British site. > Millions of people viewed it in the short time it was up. They took > it down because of threats that were made that made them afraid for > their lives. The saddest and most frightening thing was the last > sentence in their statement: " We stood for what we believe in, the > ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high. " You can > read the statement in it's entirety at LiveLeak's main page > http://www.liveleak.com/ > > The video, as of 3/29/08 at 1333 (1:33 pm) , could be viewed on > Wilder's site at > http://wildersnews.blogspot.com/2008/03/this-is-official-fitna- movie.html. > Be warned, that there are some very disturbing pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 At 05:17 AM 3/30/2008, you wrote: Kenneth, I watched it, even though I don't usually watch something like that. I wanted to see what the furor was about. I don't think it's something that is comparative. I didn't see that at all. Perhaps I missed something? But,the thing that bothered me about all of this, was that people were too afraid to post the wretched thing. And, the one site that did, took it down after several hours because of the threats they got. That's what bothered me........and still does. As far as being an indictment of Muslims or Islam - I don't think that's what it was, although one could certainly make the case that it was. I saw it more as a sort of thing that people run on the news - a compilation of events. Certainly, if radical Muslims have come out with a more peaceful or compromising view, I'd think the piece was slanted. But, I honestly can not recall one instance where radical Muslims have said anything other than how their religion and way of life is the best, and how they will not rest until everyone believes and behaves as they do. And, if they don't, they will die. The Koran is pretty clear about how Muslims are to treat infidels - which most of us are. As I have said, I think moderate Muslims are selective in what they believe - or at least, are selective in how they behave. Just like many who have beliefs in other religions. But, what I think is frightening, is how afraid everyone is of them. And how, unlike other religions, they will give no quarter. For them, there is no place for anyone who does not believe what they do, or live a life other than the one the Koran dictates. Many Muslims are as afraid of them as are Christians or Jews. I honestly believe, if people don't pull together and say, " look, believe what you wish, let us believe what we wish, " and mean it, their power grows. And, if nothing else, history has shown us if people don't stand up for what they think is important, they may lose it. Lynn I got it to work as well. One thing I see is that one side is about killing and destruction the other side is about peace and love. Hmmmmmmmm...................... Kenneth T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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