Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 I realize Aloha Medicinals is selling cultivated cordyceps but this is the response to my query to them about Wenzheng Huang's claims and further comments about the advantages of cultivated over wild: Thanks for the enquiry. Unfortunately, Wenzheng Huang is completely wrong. Research is all being done on cultivated Cordyceps now that the wild has hit $75,000 per kg for the top grade. The repair and regrowth of epithelial cells in renal tubules has been shown in a number of trials on cultivated Cordyceps. I think he is making his judgment based on old data. The problems with wild collected Cordyceps are really three fold: 1) Inconsistent quality since the age at harvest is the most important factor. As time goes on, more and more of the caterpillar is consumed, and more and more oxidative compounds are produced, causing a constantly changing chemical profile. See the two photos attached showing one that is young with a fully mature - but not degraded caterpillar, and the other showing a highly decomposed caterpillar. Both of these go into the bag and end up as " Wild Cordyceps " . Note on the degraded caterpillar the space above the head, this is the original size of the caterpillar and you can see how it has shrunk as it decomposed. So in the early collecting season, you get one set of compounds present in the Cordyceps, and later in the season it has changed fairly radically. 2) Wild Cordyceps can have a high bacterial load resulting from the breakdown in # 1 above and 3) high concentrations of lead and cadmium due to the soil composition in the Himalayas and also to the practice of inserting lead in the caterpillars to increase the weight, see attached article for details and photos. I hope this explanation helps. .. Sincerely, John Holliday of Research Aloha Medicinals Inc Tel: 001.775.886.6300 Cheers, Greg Campbell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Could you ask him to provide the research he is referring to? Chinese Medicine , Greg Campbell <earthlover wrote: > > I realize Aloha Medicinals is selling cultivated cordyceps but this is > the response to my query to them about Wenzheng Huang's claims and > further comments about the advantages of cultivated over wild: > > Thanks for the enquiry. Unfortunately, Wenzheng Huang is completely > wrong. Research is all being done on cultivated Cordyceps now that the > wild has hit $75,000 per kg for the top grade. The repair and regrowth > of epithelial cells in renal tubules has been shown in a number of > trials on cultivated Cordyceps. I think he is making his judgment based > on old data. > > The problems with wild collected Cordyceps are really three fold: 1) > Inconsistent quality since the age at harvest is the most important > factor. As time goes on, more and more of the caterpillar is consumed, > and more and more oxidative compounds are produced, causing a constantly > changing chemical profile. See the two photos attached showing one that > is young with a fully mature - but not degraded caterpillar, and the > other showing a highly decomposed caterpillar. Both of these go into the > bag and end up as " Wild Cordyceps " . Note on the degraded caterpillar the > space above the head, this is the original size of the caterpillar and > you can see how it has shrunk as it decomposed. So in the early > collecting season, you get one set of compounds present in the > Cordyceps, and later in the season it has changed fairly radically. 2) > Wild Cordyceps can have a high bacterial load resulting from the > breakdown in # 1 above and 3) high concentrations of lead and cadmium > due to the soil composition in the Himalayas and also to the practice of > inserting lead in the caterpillars to increase the weight, see attached > article for details and photos. > > I hope this explanation helps. > . > Sincerely, > John Holliday > Director of Research > Aloha Medicinals Inc > Tel: 001.775.886.6300 > > Cheers, > Greg Campbell > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hi Bill: I was referred to the research section of the Aloha Medicinals website for various trials done on cordyceps (http://www.alohamedicinals.com/research.htm). <http://www.alohamedicinals.com/research.htm> Cheers, Greg Campbell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Greg, I didn't see any research on their web site that showed that cultivated cordyceps can promote repair and growth of epithelial cells in renal tubules. If he really does have the research, he should provide it and not just say " go to my web site " . His web site is dedicated to proving that their cordyceps is the best in the world. Not exactly an unbiased opinion. If he can't provide the research, I have to assume that it is just marketing hype. I'm not saying that they don't have great mushroom extracts. I know lots of people that like their extracts. I'm just asking that he proves his statement by showing the research papers. - Bill Chinese Medicine , Greg Campbell <earthlover wrote: > > Hi Bill: > > I was referred to the research section of the Aloha Medicinals website > for various trials done on cordyceps > (http://www.alohamedicinals.com/research.htm). > <http://www.alohamedicinals.com/research.htm> > > Cheers, > Greg Campbell > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Wild cordyceps grows on insects in nature. Tibet is the place where most of it comes from. Cultivated cordyceps is grown in laboratories on a grain base. I personally use the cultivated stuff. My asthma patients like it, and it's affordable. For patients with kidney failure, I will use the wild stuff until I see data that shows that the cultivated stuff will work for that. - Bill Chinese Medicine , Yangchu Higgins <ycmgh wrote: > > By " wild " he means the stuff grown on caterpillars as > opposed to " cultivated " being grown on rice... ya? > > y.c. > > > ______________________________\ ____ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Hi Everyone Does or has anyone used cordyceps? Or familiar with a company called R Garden Inc out of Kettle Falls, WA? One of my Uncles is really into using herbs and supplements. He stopped by this week with a booklet full of testimonials about this herb from the company. And he said he ordered some for me. I did check out their website and searched , but didn't really find any info that gave me any good clarification about it. Of course I will check with my docs before using it, but as always like to hear from anyone who may have info or experience with either one. Thanks! Sassy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I'm not familiar with it, but found the following reference... http://www.world-of-fungi.org/Mostly_Medical/James_Howard/James_HowardSSM.htm Hopefully useful for you. Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 > Does or has anyone used cordyceps? My nutritionist recommended I take Adrenal Complex from Dr. Marshall's, healthline.cc - its first ingredient is Cordyceps sinensis (fermented mycelial extract). He thought I had adrenal fatigue and I think he's right. However, this product makes me extremely sleepy, so I've only been taking it at night before bed. All of us are different though - sometimes caffeine makes me sleepy. When I did some further digging on adrenal fatigue I found something interesting: " Since the late 1890s, physicians have treated symptoms of adrenal cortex insufficiency with adrenal cortex extract (ACE), taken from the adrenal glands of animals. This treatment was found to be very effective for reversing hypoglycemia, chronic fatigue, alcoholism, allergies, arthritis and certain types of schizophrenia. In 1968, Dr. John Tintera published his book Hypoadrenocorticism, documenting the successes he had as a practitioner using adrenal cortex extract. He stated that his only failures were with patients who had been on the steroid drug prednisone first, which he found to be very toxic. Yet in 1978, the FDA submitted false data to justify removing ACE from the market, effectively rendering the public a captive audience for prednisone, which the FDA said was safe. For forty years, Physicians' Desk Reference recorded no adverse effects from ACE. Today even mainstream medical journals identify prednisone as very toxic. This article, reprinted from Science, October 30, 1931, demonstrates the extent to which ACE was the object of scientific inquiry in the early part of the century. How shameful that this treatment is not readily available today, to help patients overcome addictions to soft drinks and other drugs. " -S. W. Britton and H. Silvette I've since ordered a product containing ACE. I also found out that most, if not all, of Dr. Marshall's products are vegetarian based or vegan. -vanessa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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