Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:31:55 -0700 " Freedom Pool " <freedompool freedompool 6th closed door session of Congress in 176 years Last week's session (Th 3/13/08) was only the 6th time in the last 176 years that Congress has closed its doors to the public. Word has begun leaking that not only did members discuss new surveillance provisions as was the publicly stated reason for the closed door session, they also discussed: the imminent collapse of the U.S. economy to occur by September 2008; the imminent collapse of US federal government finances by February 2009; the possibility of Civil War inside the USA as a result of the collapse; advance round-ups of " insurgent U.S. citizens " likely to move against the government; the detention of those rounded-up at " REX 84 " camps constructed throughout the USA (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84); the possibility of retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses; the location of " safe facilities " for members of Congress and their families to reside during expected massive civil unrest; the necessary and unavoidable merger of the United States with Canada (for its natural resources) and with Mexico (for its cheap labor pool); the issuance of a new currency - THE AMERO - for all three nations as the proposed solution to the coming economic armageddon. Members of Congress were forbidden to reveal what was discussed. See House Holds Closed Session to Discuss Surveillance Bill: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/14/house-holds-closed-sessio_n_91490.html; House Approves New Eavesdropping Rules: http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2008Mar14/0,4675,TerroristSurveillance,00.html; International Experts Foresee Collapse of U.S. Economy: http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=918803 ************************************************************************************ See: Beginning of Martial Law: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=begEaAe4XYE Preparation of martial law in the USA has begun. Is our country turning into Fascism? What are WE going to do about it? Can anything below be denied? 1) The president asserts the right to ignore part or all of laws passed by the national legislature. 2) Massive warrantless searches. 3) The president and other officials regularly lie to you. 4) Fraudulent election counts. 5) Government monitoring of letters, emails, phone calls and checking accounts. 6) Secret courts. 7) A government subservient to the interests of the country's largest corporations. 8) Use of torture on prisoners. 9) Courts that support presidential use of unconstitutional powers. 10) Massive spying on citizens, especially those involved in political dissent. 11) A government that uses words like democracy, freedom and peace while engaging in acts dramatically at odds with such words. 12) Government agencies or officials declaring themselves exempt from portions of the law or constitution. 13) Creation of watch lists, no-fly lists and similar exclusionary documents. 14) National ID cards. 15) Growing number of citizens incarcerated for a growing number of offenses. 16) Massive use of cameras to spy on citizens. 17) A media supportive of, or obsequious towards, the government in covering its police state activities. 18) Security bubble around government leaders' public appearances including pre selected audiences and limit on proximity of protests. 19) Disarming of citizenry. 20) Dissent characterized as disloyal by government and its supporting media. 21) Increasing government control over private behavior. 22) Lack of legal recourse to stop illegal government actions. 23) Prison without trial and arrests without charges. 24) It is difficult to borrow books from libraries pertaining to controversial subjects such as fascism. 25) Transfer of powers from legislatures to executive. 26) Assassinations of popular public figures. 27) Expansion of prisons and laws that lead people to prisons. 28) President claims right to make war whenever he wants. 29) Words misused to mean their opposite: i.e. peace for war, democracy for fascism. 30) The president sets himself up as the sole moral authority for the entire country, using his personal beliefs as the basis on which to declare what is 'good' and what is 'evil.' 31) Federal takeover of functions formerly considered essential state or local responsibilities such as state militias and public education. 32) Creation of a mercenary military force used for foreign and domestic purposes. The concentration camps have already been built HERE IN America. FEMA Concentration Camps: Locations and Executive Orders http://www.mindfully.org:80/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm Un hidden Agendas: Off To Camp FEMA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTvPljNxYTI & NR=1 Detention Center, concentration camp? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqi123hBw2A & NR=1 Concentration Camps being built for U.S citizens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJBxdRIQx7Y & NR=1 Concentration Camp In Texas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxYxTly-yo8 & NR=1 FEMA Camp with Better Quality Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0pfGOH4uxA & NR=1 FEMA Camp Footage (Concentrations Camps in USA) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4 & NR=1 Beech Grove Indiana FEMA Camp - April 5 2006 http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=v9Ut-t7k_zY & NR=1 NEW WORLD ORDER OF FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN USA EXPOSED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnlKg5ZXPu0 & NR=1 FEMA camp Chicago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0da_83BzqM & NR=1 X-Attachment-Id: 0.1 Content-Type: image/jpeg; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-72AF6345; name=lib.jpg Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=lib.jpg --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 My feeling is that the contents of this email are mis-information, spread across the internet by those who either have a sick sense of humor, very sick at that, or are trolling the internet to cause more fear, more discontent and rile the people. Personally I'd be cautious to take this info on board. Just keep it in back of mind. all imho of course :-) Hanneke At 08:48 AM 17/03/2008, " thehavens " <thehavens wrote: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:31:55 -0700 " Freedom Pool " <freedompool freedompool 6th closed door session of Congress in 176 years Last week's session (Th 3/13/08) was only the 6th time in the last 176 years that Congress has closed its doors to the public. Word has begun leaking that not only did members discuss new surveillance provisions as was the publicly stated reason for the closed door session, they also discussed: the imminent collapse of the U.S. economy to occur by September 2008; the imminent collapse of US federal government finances by February 2009; the possibility of Civil War inside the USA as a result of the collapse; advance round-ups of " insurgent U.S. citizens " likely to move against the government; the detention of those rounded-up at " REX 84 " camps constructed throughout the USA (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84); the possibility of retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses; the location of " safe facilities " for members of Congress and their families to reside during expected massive civil unrest; the necessary and unavoidable merger of the United States with Canada (for its natural resources) and with Mexico (for its cheap labor pool); the issuance of a new currency - THE AMERO - for all three nations as the proposed solution to the coming economic armageddon. Members of Congress were forbidden to reveal what was discussed. See House Holds Closed Session to Discuss Surveillance Bill: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/14/house-holds-closed-sessio_n_91490.html ; House Approves New Eavesdropping Rules: http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2008Mar14/0,4675,TerroristSurveillance,00.html ; International Experts Foresee Collapse of U.S. Economy: http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=918803 ************************************************************************************ See: Beginning of Martial Law: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=begEaAe4XYE Preparation of martial law in the USA has begun. Is our country turning into Fascism? What are WE going to do about it? Can anything below be denied? 1) The president asserts the right to ignore part or all of laws passed by the national legislature. 2) Massive warrantless searches. 3) The president and other officials regularly lie to you. 4) Fraudulent election counts. 5) Government monitoring of letters, emails, phone calls and checking accounts. 6) Secret courts. 7) A government subservient to the interests of the country's largest corporations. 8) Use of torture on prisoners. 9) Courts that support presidential use of unconstitutional powers. 10) Massive spying on citizens, especially those involved in political dissent. 11) A government that uses words like democracy, freedom and peace while engaging in acts dramatically at odds with such words. 12) Government agencies or officials declaring themselves exempt from portions of the law or constitution. 13) Creation of watch lists, no-fly lists and similar exclusionary documents. 14) National ID cards. 15) Growing number of citizens incarcerated for a growing number of offenses. 16) Massive use of cameras to spy on citizens. 17) A media supportive of, or obsequious towards, the government in covering its police state activities. 18) Security bubble around government leaders' public appearances including pre selected audiences and limit on proximity of protests. 19) Disarming of citizenry. 20) Dissent characterized as disloyal by government and its supporting media. 21) Increasing government control over private behavior. 22) Lack of legal recourse to stop illegal government actions. 23) Prison without trial and arrests without charges. 24) It is difficult to borrow books from libraries pertaining to controversial subjects such as fascism. 25) Transfer of powers from legislatures to executive. 26) Assassinations of popular public figures. 27) Expansion of prisons and laws that lead people to prisons. 28) President claims right to make war whenever he wants. 29) Words misused to mean their opposite: i.e. peace for war, democracy for fascism. 30) The president sets himself up as the sole moral authority for the entire country, using his personal beliefs as the basis on which to declare what is 'good' and what is 'evil.' 31) Federal takeover of functions formerly considered essential state or local responsibilities such as state militias and public education. 32) Creation of a mercenary military force used for foreign and domestic purposes. The concentration camps have already been built HERE IN America. FEMA Concentration Camps: Locations and Executive Orders http://www.mindfully.org:80/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm Un hidden Agendas: Off To Camp FEMA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTvPljNxYTI & NR=1 Detention Center, concentration camp? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqi123hBw2A & NR=1 Concentration Camps being built for U.S citizens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJBxdRIQx7Y & NR=1 Concentration Camp In Texas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxYxTly-yo8 & NR=1 FEMA Camp with Better Quality Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0pfGOH4uxA & NR=1 FEMA Camp Footage (Concentrations Camps in USA) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4 & NR=1 Beech Grove Indiana FEMA Camp - April 5 2006 http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=v9Ut-t7k_zY & NR=1 NEW WORLD ORDER OF FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN USA EXPOSED http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnlKg5ZXPu0 & NR=1 FEMA camp Chicago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0da_83BzqM & NR=1 X-Attachment-Id: 0.1 Content-Type: image/jpeg; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-72AF6345; name=lib.jpg Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=lib.jpg --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 If the doors were closed, that should be easy to found out.Den 16/03/2008 kl. 23.33 skrev Hanneke:My feeling is that the contents of this email are mis-information, spread across the internet by those who either have a sick sense of humor, very sick at that, or are trolling the internet to cause more fear, more discontent and rile the people. Personally I'd be cautious to take this info on board. Just keep it in back of mind.all imho of course :-)HannekeAt 08:48 AM 17/03/2008, "thehavens (AT) highland (DOT) net" <thehavens (AT) highland (DOT) net>wrote:Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:31:55 -0700"Freedom Pool" <freedompool >freedompool (AT) hotmail (DOT) comSubject: 6th closed door session of Congress in 176 yearsLast week's session (Th 3/13/08) was only the 6th time in the last 176 years that Congress has closed its doors to the public. Word has begun leaking that not only did members discuss new surveillance provisions as was the publicly stated reason for the closed door session, they also discussed: the imminent collapse of the U.S. economy to occur by September 2008;the imminent collapse of US federal government finances by February 2009;the possibility of Civil War inside the USA as a result of the collapse;advance round-ups of "insurgent U.S. citizens" likely to move against the government;the detention of those rounded-up at "REX 84" camps constructed throughout the USA (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84);the possibility of retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses;the location of "safe facilities" for members of Congress and their families to reside during expected massive civil unrest;the necessary and unavoidable merger of the United States with Canada (for its natural resources) and with Mexico (for its cheap labor pool);the issuance of a new currency - THE AMERO - for all three nations as the proposed solution to the coming economic armageddon. Members of Congress were forbidden to reveal what was discussed. See House Holds Closed Session to Discuss Surveillance Bill: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/14/house-holds-closed-sessio_n_91490.html ; House Approves New Eavesdropping Rules: http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2008Mar14/0,4675,TerroristSurveillance,00.html ; International Experts Foresee Collapse of U.S. Economy: http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=918803 ************************************************************************************ See: Beginning of Martial Law: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=begEaAe4XYE Preparation of martial law in the USA has begun. Is our country turning into Fascism? What are WE going to do about it? Can anything below be denied? 1) The president asserts the right to ignore part or all of laws passed by the national legislature. 2) Massive warrantless searches. 3) The president and other officials regularly lie to you. 4) Fraudulent election counts. 5) Government monitoring of letters, emails, phone calls and checking accounts. 6) Secret courts. 7) A government subservient to the interests of the country's largest corporations. 8) Use of torture on prisoners. 9) Courts that support presidential use of unconstitutional powers. 10) Massive spying on citizens, especially those involved in political dissent. 11) A government that uses words like democracy, freedom and peace while engaging in acts dramatically at odds with such words. 12) Government agencies or officials declaring themselves exempt from portions of the law or constitution. 13) Creation of watch lists, no-fly lists and similar exclusionary documents. 14) National ID cards. 15) Growing number of citizens incarcerated for a growing number of offenses. 16) Massive use of cameras to spy on citizens. 17) A media supportive of, or obsequious towards, the government in covering its police state activities. 18) Security bubble around government leaders' public appearances including pre selected audiences and limit on proximity of protests. 19) Disarming of citizenry. 20) Dissent characterized as disloyal by government and its supporting media. 21) Increasing government control over private behavior. 22) Lack of legal recourse to stop illegal government actions. 23) Prison without trial and arrests without charges. 24) It is difficult to borrow books from libraries pertaining to controversial subjects such as fascism. 25) Transfer of powers from legislatures to executive. 26) Assassinations of popular public figures. 27) Expansion of prisons and laws that lead people to prisons. 28) President claims right to make war whenever he wants. 29) Words misused to mean their opposite: i.e. peace for war, democracy for fascism. 30) The president sets himself up as the sole moral authority for the entire country, using his personal beliefs as the basis on which to declare what is 'good' and what is 'evil.' 31) Federal takeover of functions formerly considered essential state or local responsibilities such as state militias and public education. 32) Creation of a mercenary military force used for foreign and domestic purposes. The concentration camps have already been built HERE IN America. FEMA Concentration Camps: Locations and Executive Orders http://www.mindfully.org:80/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm Un hidden Agendas: Off To Camp FEMA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTvPljNxYTI & NR=1 Detention Center, concentration camp? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqi123hBw2A & NR=1 Concentration Camps being built for U.S citizens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJBxdRIQx7Y & NR=1 Concentration Camp In Texas http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxYxTly-yo8 & NR=1 FEMA Camp with Better Quality Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0pfGOH4uxA & NR=1 FEMA Camp Footage (Concentrations Camps in USA) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P-hvPJPTi4 & NR=1 Beech Grove Indiana FEMA Camp - April 5 2006 http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=v9Ut-t7k_zY & NR=1 NEW WORLD ORDER OF FEMA CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN USA EXPOSEDhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnlKg5ZXPu0 & NR=1 FEMA camp Chicago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0da_83BzqM & NR=1X-Attachment-Id: 0.1Content-Type: image/jpeg; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-72AF6345; name=lib.jpgContent-Disposition: attachment; filename=lib.jpg---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system ( http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05******Kraig and Shirley Carroll ... in the woods of SE Kentuckyhttp://www.thehavens.com/thehavens (AT) highland (DOT) net606-376-3363Checked by AVG. 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Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 At 06:18 PM 3/16/2008, you wrote: I know I shouldn't get upset at things like this, but I just can't help it...... There are so many things wrong with this post it would hard to know where to begin. However, the most important is the majority of assumptions, statements and supposed " leaks " spoken about in this email are absolutely not verifiable. Anywhere. By anyone. Check yourself. The only thing anyone will find is opinions and innuendos. Nothing factual. Other than they had a closed door session. and, that they debated surveillance legislation. More than that is conjecture at this point. I was a reporter, and I know what an " un-named source " or " leak " can mean. Sometimes, it means you don't have anyone that said anything - and are just trying to bolster a story. A number of reporters have been caught doing just that. Their stories and their " sources " were fictitious. A lot of the stuff said in this email isn't even logical. For one, why would the U.S. merge with Mexico for cheap labor? When they come pouring over the border and their labor is already cheap? And, if the economy collapses, as this email suggests, we won't have a need for cheap labor - it'll be all around us because people will be out work. People will be desperate. People work pretty cheap when they're in that situation. Just do a bit of checking on what went on in the Depression in the 1930's. Emails such as these are irresponsible and do nothing more than pander to people's fears. While there may be a grain of truth here and there, it is largely bunk, and should be treated as such. Not to mention - if, by some stretch of the imagination some, or several of the things spoken about below were in the cards, what could the average working person, the working poor, or those who receive benefits because they can't work, do anyway? If you don't have enough money to live properly, live hand to mouth every month, or get the medical care you need, how do you suppose one could plan for such an event? Real quick, A cursory examination of one of the sites given as reference for the article below, the Huffington Post, shows that opinion rather than fact is the basis for a number of their articles. For example, the recent article, Admiral Fallon: A resignation in Protest, written by Jon Soltz, has a tiny bit of fact - and even that is not totally correct. The bulk of the article is his opinion - unless of course, he is a telepath and has read Adm. Fallon's mind. In case you're curious, the fact that Fallon left his position as CENTCOM's commander is true. However, an Admiral doesn't resign, especially not a four star Admirial - he retires. which he did after 40 years of service. They are two entirely different things - especially when it comes to someone in the military. Which Solz would know, if he knew anything about the military at all. Or, if he were even trying to give an objective presentation of the facts. Lynn Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:31:55 -0700 " Freedom Pool " <freedompool freedompool 6th closed door session of Congress in 176 years Last week's session (Th 3/13/08) was only the 6th time in the last 176 years that Congress has closed its doors to the public. Word has begun leaking that not only did members discuss new surveillance provisions as was the publicly stated reason for the closed door session, they also discussed: the imminent collapse of the U.S. economy to occur by September 2008; the imminent collapse of US federal government finances by February 2009; the possibility of Civil War inside the USA as a result of the collapse; advance round-ups of " insurgent U.S. citizens " likely to move against the government; the detention of those rounded-up at " REX 84 " camps constructed throughout the USA (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84); the possibility of retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses; the location of " safe facilities " for members of Congress and their families to reside during expected massive civil unrest; the necessary and unavoidable merger of the United States with Canada (for its natural resources) and with Mexico (for its cheap labor pool); the issuance of a new currency - THE AMERO - for all three nations as the proposed solution to the coming economic armageddon. Members of Congress were forbidden to reveal what was discussed. See House Holds Closed Session to Discuss Surveillance Bill: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/14/house-holds-closed-sessio_n_91490.html ; House Approves New Eavesdropping Rules: http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2008Mar14/0,4675,TerroristSurveillance,00.html ; International Experts Foresee Collapse of U.S. Economy: http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=918803 ************************************************************************************ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 At 07:12 PM 3/16/2008, you wrote: The doors were closed - they were talking about national security. Just because there is a grain of truth, it doesn't mean the whole loaf is true. Lynn If the doors were closed, that should be easy to found out. Den 16/03/2008 kl. 23.33 skrev Hanneke: My feeling is that the contents of this email are mis-information, spread across the internet by those who either have a sick sense of humor, very sick at that, or are trolling the internet to cause more fear, more discontent and rile the people. Personally I'd be cautious to take this info on board. Just keep it in back of mind. all imho of course :-) Hanneke At 08:48 AM 17/03/2008, " thehavens " <thehavens wrote: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:31:55 -0700 " Freedom Pool " <freedompool freedompool 6th closed door session of Congress in 176 years Last week's session (Th 3/13/08) was only the 6th time in the last 176 years that Congress has closed its doors to the public. Word has begun leaking that not only did members discuss new surveillance provisions as was the publicly stated reason for the closed door session, they also discussed: the imminent collapse of the U.S. economy to occur by September 2008; the imminent collapse of US federal government finances by February 2009; the possibility of Civil War inside the USA as a result of the collapse; advance round-ups of " insurgent U.S. citizens " likely to move against the government; the detention of those rounded-up at " REX 84 " camps constructed throughout the USA (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84); the possibility of retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses; the location of " safe facilities " for members of Congress and their families to reside during expected massive civil unrest; the necessary and unavoidable merger of the United States with Canada (for its natural resources) and with Mexico (for its cheap labor pool); the issuance of a new currency - THE AMERO - for all three nations as the proposed solution to the coming economic armageddon. Members of Congress were forbidden to reveal what was discussed. See House Holds Closed Session to Discuss Surveillance Bill: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/14/house-holds-closed-sessio_n_91490.html ; House Approves New Eavesdropping Rules: http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2008Mar14/0,4675,TerroristSurveillance,00.html ; International Experts Foresee Collapse of U.S. Economy: http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=918803 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Unfortunately the speed at which things are unravelling and the depths of the lies and the many many years it would take to get at any truth which is not likely anyway---they still don't know who killed Kennedy after 50years---and we don't have 50 years---leave us no alternative but to take our best guess. Your guess is a sgood as mine---to me it's not an unlikely scenario at all...we all know its coming sometime...Lynn Ward <lynnward wrote: At 06:18 PM 3/16/2008, you wrote:I know I shouldn't get upset at things like this, but I just can't help it......There are so many things wrong with this post it would hard to know where to begin. However, the most important is the majority of assumptions, statements and supposed "leaks" spoken about in this email are absolutely not verifiable. Anywhere. By anyone. Check yourself. The only thing anyone will find is opinions and innuendos. Nothing factual. Other than they had a closed door session. and, that they debated surveillance legislation. More than that is conjecture at this point. I was a reporter, and I know what an "un-named source" or "leak" can mean. Sometimes, it means you don't have anyone that said anything - and are just trying to bolster a story. A number of reporters have been caught doing just that. Their stories and their "sources" were fictitious. A lot of the stuff said in this email isn't even logical. For one, why would the U.S. merge with Mexico for cheap labor? When they come pouring over the border and their labor is already cheap? And, if the economy collapses, as this email suggests, we won't have a need for cheap labor - it'll be all around us because people will be out work. People will be desperate. People work pretty cheap when they're in that situation. Just do a bit of checking on what went on in the Depression in the 1930's.Emails such as these are irresponsible and do nothing more than pander to people's fears. While there may be a grain of truth here and there, it is largely bunk, and should be treated as such. Not to mention - if, by some stretch of the imagination some, or several of the things spoken about below were in the cards, what could the average working person, the working poor, or those who receive benefits because they can't work, do anyway? If you don't have enough money to live properly, live hand to mouth every month, or get the medical care you need, how do you suppose one could plan for such an event? Real quick, A cursory examination of one of the sites given as reference for the article below, the Huffington Post, shows that opinion rather than fact is the basis for a number of their articles. For example, the recent article, Admiral Fallon: A resignation in Protest, written by Jon Soltz, has a tiny bit of fact - and even that is not totally correct. The bulk of the article is his opinion - unless of course, he is a telepath and has read Adm. Fallon's mind. In case you're curious, the fact that Fallon left his position as CENTCOM's commander is true. However, an Admiral doesn't resign, especially not a four star Admirial - he retires. which he did after 40 years of service. They are two entirely different things - especially when it comes to someone in the military. Which Solz would know, if he knew anything about the military at all. Or, if he were even trying to give an objective presentation of the facts. Lynn Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:31:55 -0700"Freedom Pool" <freedompool >freedompool (AT) hotmail (DOT) comSubject: 6th closed door session of Congress in 176 yearsLast week's session (Th 3/13/08) was only the 6th time in the last 176 years that Congress has closed its doors to the public. Word has begun leaking that not only did members discuss new surveillance provisions as was the publicly stated reason for the closed door session, they also discussed: the imminent collapse of the U.S. economy to occur by September 2008;the imminent collapse of US federal government finances by February 2009;the possibility of Civil War inside the USA as a result of the collapse;advance round-ups of "insurgent U.S. citizens" likely to move against the government;the detention of those rounded-up at "REX 84" camps constructed throughout the USA (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84);the possibility of retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses;the location of "safe facilities" for members of Congress and their families to reside during expected massive civil unrest;the necessary and unavoidable merger of the United States with Canada (for its natural resources) and with Mexico (for its cheap labor pool);the issuance of a new currency - THE AMERO - for all three nations as the proposed solution to the coming economic armageddon. Members of Congress were forbidden to reveal what was discussed. See House Holds Closed Session to Discuss Surveillance Bill: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/14/house-holds-closed-sessio_n_91490.html ; House Approves New Eavesdropping Rules: http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2008Mar14/0,4675,TerroristSurveillance,00.html ; International Experts Foresee Collapse of U.S. Economy: http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=918803 ************************************************************************************ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 At 09:43 PM 3/16/2008, you wrote: Most of the time I don't really care who is wrong and who is right, despite what some may think. Everyione isn't always going to agree, which is part of what makes life interesting. All I usually care about is whether or not people have all the info and look at it before they make up their minds. Then, the rest is up to them....but, in this instance, I really hope I'm right *smile* To think that the below scenario could even possibly be true, is scary beyond words....and, I have no idea of how we would cope with it...... Lynn Unfortunately the speed at which things are unravelling and the depths of the lies and the many many years it would take to get at any truth which is not likely anyway---they still don't know who killed Kennedy after 50years---and we don't have 50 years---leave us no alternative but to take our best guess. Your guess is a sgood as mine---to me it's not an unlikely scenario at all...we all know its coming sometime... Lynn Ward <lynnward wrote: At 06:18 PM 3/16/2008, you wrote: I know I shouldn't get upset at things like this, but I just can't help it...... There are so many things wrong with this post it would hard to know where to begin. However, the most important is the majority of assumptions, statements and supposed " leaks " spoken about in this email are absolutely not verifiable. Anywhere. By anyone. Check yourself. The only thing anyone will find is opinions and innuendos. Nothing factual. Other than they had a closed door session. and, that they debated surveillance legislation. More than that is conjecture at this point. I was a reporter, and I know what an " un-named source " or " leak " can mean. Sometimes, it means you don't have anyone that said anything - and are just trying to bolster a story. A number of reporters have been caught doing just that. Their stories and their " sources " were fictitious. A lot of the stuff said in this email isn't even logical. For one, why would the U.S. merge with Mexico for cheap labor? When they come pouring over the border and their labor is already cheap? And, if the economy collapses, as this email suggests, we won't have a need for cheap labor - it'll be all around us because people will be out work. People will be desperate. People work pretty cheap when they're in that situation. Just do a bit of checking on what went on in the Depression in the 1930's. Emails such as these are irresponsible and do nothing more than pander to people's fears. While there may be a grain of truth here and there, it is largely bunk, and should be treated as such. Not to mention - if, by some stretch of the imagination some, or several of the things spoken about below were in the cards, what could the average working person, the working poor, or those who receive benefits because they can't work, do anyway? If you don't have enough money to live properly, live hand to mouth every month, or get the medical care you need, how do you suppose one could plan for such an event? Real quick, A cursory examination of one of the sites given as reference for the article below, the Huffington Post, shows that opinion rather than fact is the basis for a number of their articles. For example, the recent article, Admiral Fallon: A resignation in Protest, written by Jon Soltz, has a tiny bit of fact - and even that is not totally correct. The bulk of the article is his opinion - unless of course, he is a telepath and has read Adm. Fallon's mind. In case you're curious, the fact that Fallon left his position as CENTCOM's commander is true. However, an Admiral doesn't resign, especially not a four star Admirial - he retires. which he did after 40 years of service. They are two entirely different things - especially when it comes to someone in the military. Which Solz would know, if he knew anything about the military at all. Or, if he were even trying to give an objective presentation of the facts. Lynn Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:31:55 -0700 " Freedom Pool " <freedompool freedompool 6th closed door session of Congress in 176 years Last week's session (Th 3/13/08) was only the 6th time in the last 176 years that Congress has closed its doors to the public. Word has begun leaking that not only did members discuss new surveillance provisions as was the publicly stated reason for the closed door session, they also discussed: the imminent collapse of the U.S. economy to occur by September 2008; the imminent collapse of US federal government finances by February 2009; the possibility of Civil War inside the USA as a result of the collapse; advance round-ups of " insurgent U.S. citizens " likely to move against the government; the detention of those rounded-up at " REX 84 " camps constructed throughout the USA (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84); the possibility of retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses; the location of " safe facilities " for members of Congress and their families to reside during expected massive civil unrest; the necessary and unavoidable merger of the United States with Canada (for its natural resources) and with Mexico (for its cheap labor pool); the issuance of a new currency - THE AMERO - for all three nations as the proposed solution to the coming economic armageddon. Members of Congress were forbidden to reveal what was discussed. See House Holds Closed Session to Discuss Surveillance Bill: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/14/house-holds-closed-sessio_n_91490.html ; House Approves New Eavesdropping Rules: http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_wires/2008Mar14/0,4675,TerroristSurveillance,00.html ; International Experts Foresee Collapse of U.S. Economy: http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=918803 ************************************************************************************ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 MY FEELING IS YOU SHOULD GET UPSET, BUT NOT WITH ME OR THE KNOWLEDGE..........BUT YOUR HAVING BEEN ONE OF THE WELL INFORMED REPORTERS, MAKES EVERYTHING YOU SAY SUSPECT.......YOUR BUNCH IS WHO BURRY'S THEIR HEAD IN THE SAND ON EVER MAJOR EVENT, YOU CLOWNS ARE THE LAST ONES TO GET IT RIGHT AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO YOU TRULY WORK FOR, WHO PULLS YOUR STRINGS.......THE PRESS HAS BEEN ABOUT IN FRONT OF THINGS AS THE C.I.A. AND THEY ARE NEVER IN FRONT OR PREVENT ANYTHING......AND YES, I KNOW WHY, THE CIA IN ALL IT'S FORMS [ANY GOVERNMENT " INTELLIGENCE " AGENCY " ONLY PURPOSE IS TO SERVE THE RICHEST OF THE RICH.]EXISTS..........BUT YOU BEING A REPORTER, YOU KNOW THIS........ACTUALLY OF ALL THE THINGS YOU MIGHT PICK AT IN THIS PIECE, IN TYPICAL REPORTER FASHION, YOU TOUCHED NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE IN THIS PIECE., MAKES ONE WONDER IF YOU AREN'T A PLANT?.......AND PLEASE DON'T TRY TO TELL ME ANY THING ABOUT THE MILITARY, I'VE TOED THE LINE OF FREEDOM FOR MY COUNTRY AND SO HAS MY FAMILY, TO THE TUNE OF 150 YEARS OF SERVICE, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE! ARE YOU SO BLOODY BLIND THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IRAQ AND AFGANISTAN ARE ABOUT......OIL AND HEROIN.....SURLY YOU KNOW THAT AFTER WE INVADED THE AFGANS, THE WORLDS PRODUCTION OF HEROIN IS AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS IN KNOWN HISTORY!? IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW THIS, THE AHGANS PRODUCE OVER 80% [ ACCORDING TO U.N. SOURCES] OF THE WORLDS POPPIES.......BEFORE WE MOVED IN, THE OLD UGLY TALIBAN, SHUT DOWN ALL POPPY PRODUCTION WHEN THEY FINALLY KICKED OUT THE RUSSIANS.[iT WAS A RELIGIOUS THING FOR THEM.......BUT NOW THAT GOOD OLD CONGRESS THAT YOU HAVE SO MUCH FAITH IN ARE RE-SUPPLYING THE STREETS OF THE WORLD WITH HEROIN AND THE GOOD OLD U.S.A. IS THE MAJOR PIMP!!! YOU AREN'T REALLY SO NAIVE AS TO BELIEVE THE CASUALTY FIGURES YOUR GOVERNMENT IS GIVING YOU , DO YOU? ARE YOU AWARE THAT WE LOSE 120 VETERANS A WEEK TO SUICIDE!!???? YOUR CONGRESS KNOWS..........AND DOES NOTHING......YOU KNOW HOW MANY VETS GET TURNED DOWN FOR V.A. ASSISTANCE AFTER HAVING PUT THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE FOR THE LIKES OF YOU! ALL THEY WANT ARE THE BENEFITS PROMISED TO THEM, BUT YOUR CONGRESS DOES NOTHING!!!!!! ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOUR CONGRESS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATH OF THOUSANDS OF VETS FROM EXPOSURE TO DEPLETED URANIUM......COMMERCIAL TOXIC LADEN FOODS[ NO DOUBT MSG IS ALL OVER THE PLACE] ,[PROBABLY STILL GIVING THE TROOPS " SOFT " DRINKS WITH ASPARTAME IN THEM ] EXTREMELY QUESTIONABLE VACCINES AND ONLY GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE OUR CONGRESS MEN AND WOMAN HAVE ALLOWED TO BE DONE TO OUR OWN TROOPS, IN YOUR NAME, NOT MINE! YOUR BEING A REPORTER, SURELY YOU KNOW THAT ONE OF THE THREE LEGS OF " GULF WAS SYNDROME " WAS ASPARTAME? ONLY TOOK THE V.A. TEN YEARS TO ACCEPT WHAT HAD BEEN SCIENTIFICALLY PUT BEFORE CONGRESS! BY THE ALTERNATIVE FOLKS, YEARS BEFORE........ONLY MY OPINION BUT I THINK YOU COULD DO YOURSELF AND OTHERS A BIG FAVOR IF YOU WOULD READ " THE CREATURE OF JEYKEL ISLAND " AND THE CREATION OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE, G. EDWARD GRIFFITH IS THE AUTHER! KRAIG Kraig Carroll Environmental Damage Repair --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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