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March 15, 2008

At 04:03 AM 3/15/2008, you wrote:

Your argument is misplaced if you are referring to the recent discussion

re urban legends.....Additionally, it appears to often depend on which

side of the fence one sits on, as to whether one considers certain

information bogus. I would no longer take something Bolen says at face

value, than I would something from the FDA. They both have an agenda. In

either case, it behooves one to do independent research. It's convenient

to take someone's word because you think they espouse your POV - it

bolsters one's argument. But, their information may not be accurate or

factual.....Just because something agrees what you or I may

believe, doesn't necessarily mean it's true - and the converse, because

something or someone says something we don't happen to believe, doesn't

necessarily mean it's not true.

http://www.bolenreport.net/feature_articles/feature_article064.htm

March 15, 2008

you wrote LYNN

Just because something agrees what you or I may believe, doesn't necessarily mean it's true - and the converse, because something or someone says something we don't happen to believe, doesn't necessarily mean it's not true.

AND I MOSTLY AGREE WITH YOU BUT

I have been (for example) anti the chholesterol theory of heart disease for many many years...... once upon a time there were a few professional people who thought this way .... their thoughts 'meshed' with mine..... but we were all considered anti establishment................

I am pleased to say that now .... several yearslater thre are hundred of well respected medics, professor and the likes standing up and shouting out against the cholesterol hypothesis BUT mainstream medicine still says we are wrong...... the numbers are growing daily...... on the side of anti establishemnt and pharma fraud...... sometime you just gotta stand up for what you believe in AGAINST the establisment...........

March 15, 2008

At 04:50 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote:

No question...Just because one is anti-establishment, or anti whatever

the common thought is, doesn't make one wrong. the Cholesterol issue is a

really good example of that. And, it's true. For a long time, people felt

what folks said about Statins and Cholesterol was hooey. Turns out, it

wasn't so silly after all...*grin* Fact is, it is thanks to the

information in this group that I wound up having my DH stop the statin he

was taking. He was having side-effects, which I thought were caused by

the drug. But, the doc said no. I didn't agree. And, thanks to the info

and links folks like yourself provided, I substantiated my thoughts and

told him to stop taking them. He's felt better. Now we'll see if we're

effective in lowering his extremely high cholesterol through

diet.

In fact, that makes my point exactly - just because people say something

is, or isn't true doesn't make it so. Remember, popular opinion once said

the earth was flat (in fact did you see the video I posted a link to?

Apparently fundamentalist Muslems believe not only is the earth flat, but

that the sun rotates around the earth..they believe that because the

Koran says it is so..the video is in Farci, but is translated at the

bottom....)

The only thing I have an issue with, is someone believing something

pretty much solely because someone tells them it is so. I think all of us

have a tendency to want to believe what fits into our particular POV. I

may not always be successful, but try very hard to look at all sides of

an issue before I make up my mind. Often, even when I think I know, I

check things out. I think this may be a personality trait - I'm not sure.

It was this very thing that used to get me into a lot of trouble in

school when I was young. Asked too many questions. Usually I asked them

because I really wanted to know - although I'll admit, not always.

*grin* I can't tell you how delighted I was, when I went to college,

where they liked the fact that you asked questions. Even then, though,

professors usually weren't always thrilled if you held a different POV

than they, even if you could substantiate it.

Generally, I've always thought, since I learned anything about them

(which is more years than I care to count..*smile*), that it is foolhardy

not to use what God gave us - the herbs and minerals and good foods and

so on. That all the preservatives and additives and fake stuff isn't good

for us. Really, it's only logical when one actually thinks about it. As

it is with many man-made things most use to make their lives

easier.

I've found, that even when I read something from someone I generally

trust, sometimes there are things which don't seem logical or make sense

to me. To me, Truth is usually logical - even if you have a ways to get

to the logical part. But, not always, of course. There are some Truths

which are not logical.....But, on the whole, the more I learn, the less

illogical Truth seems. On many levels.

That's all I've been trying to say....

Lynn

you wrote LYNN

Just because something

agrees what you or I may believe, doesn't necessarily mean it's

true - and the converse, because something or someone says something we

don't happen to believe, doesn't necessarily mean it's not true.

AND I MOSTLY AGREE WITH YOU BUT

I have been (for example) anti the chholesterol theory of heart disease

for many many years...... once upon a time there were a few professional

people who thought this way .... their thoughts 'meshed' with mine.....

but we were all considered anti establishment................

I am pleased to say that now .... several yearslater thre are hundred of

well respected medics, professor and the likes standing up and shouting

out against the cholesterol hypothesis BUT mainstream medicine still says

we are wrong...... the numbers are growing daily......

on the side of anti establishemnt and pharma fraud...... sometime you

just gotta stand up for what you believe in AGAINST the

establisment...........

March 15, 2008

Well, do not believe what you are told by the moon landing.Den 15/03/2008 kl. 23.51 skrev Lynn Ward:At 04:50 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote:No question...Just because one is anti-establishment, or anti whatever the common thought is, doesn't make one wrong. the Cholesterol issue is a really good example of that. And, it's true. For a long time, people felt what folks said about Statins and Cholesterol was hooey. Turns out, it wasn't so silly after all...*grin* Fact is, it is thanks to the information in this group that I wound up having my DH stop the statin he was taking. He was having side-effects, which I thought were caused by the drug. But, the doc said no. I didn't agree. And, thanks to the info and links folks like yourself provided, I substantiated my thoughts and told him to stop taking them. He's felt better. Now we'll see if we're effective in lowering his extremely high cholesterol through diet.In fact, that makes my point exactly - just because people say something is, or isn't true doesn't make it so. Remember, popular opinion once said the earth was flat (in fact did you see the video I posted a link to? Apparently fundamentalist Muslems believe not only is the earth flat, but that the sun rotates around the earth..they believe that because the Koran says it is so..the video is in Farci, but is translated at the bottom....)The only thing I have an issue with, is someone believing something pretty much solely because someone tells them it is so. I think all of us have a tendency to want to believe what fits into our particular POV. I may not always be successful, but try very hard to look at all sides of an issue before I make up my mind. Often, even when I think I know, I check things out. I think this may be a personality trait - I'm not sure. It was this very thing that used to get me into a lot of trouble in school when I was young. Asked too many questions. Usually I asked them because I really wanted to know - although I'll admit, not always. *grin* I can't tell you how delighted I was, when I went to college, where they liked the fact that you asked questions. Even then, though, professors usually weren't always thrilled if you held a different POV than they, even if you could substantiate it.Generally, I've always thought, since I learned anything about them (which is more years than I care to count..*smile*), that it is foolhardy not to use what God gave us - the herbs and minerals and good foods and so on. That all the preservatives and additives and fake stuff isn't good for us. Really, it's only logical when one actually thinks about it. As it is with many man-made things most use to make their lives easier.I've found, that even when I read something from someone I generally trust, sometimes there are things which don't seem logical or make sense to me. To me, Truth is usually logical - even if you have a ways to get to the logical part. But, not always, of course. There are some Truths which are not logical.....But, on the whole, the more I learn, the less illogical Truth seems. On many levels.That's all I've been trying to say....Lynnyou wrote LYNNJust because something agrees what you or I may believe, doesn't necessarily mean it's true - and the converse, because something or someone says something we don't happen to believe, doesn't necessarily mean it's not true. AND I MOSTLY AGREE WITH YOU BUT I have been (for example) anti the chholesterol theory of heart disease for many many years...... once upon a time there were a few professional people who thought this way .... their thoughts 'meshed' with mine..... but we were all considered anti establishment................ I am pleased to say that now .... several yearslater thre are hundred of well respected medics, professor and the likes standing up and shouting out against the cholesterol hypothesis BUT mainstream medicine still says we are wrong...... the numbers are growing daily...... on the side of anti establishemnt and pharma fraud...... sometime you just gotta stand up for what you believe in AGAINST the establisment...........

March 16, 2008

When facts fall dead Truth come to life - this is a saying which I like - we are all brainwashed to a certain extent - or we all have our blindspots - due to upbringing and conditioning - but it is difficult to see them all - growth and awakening is a painful business often. Despite the "evils" of our society we have to fit in as best we can and at the same time do the best we can for everyone, as well as care for ourselves and those we have contact with, family, friends, etc as far as they will let us - but sometimes fighting their blind acceptance of medication, vaccines, town water, religious demands, is very hard work!

For example when someone who is fed aspartame everyday and sits like a vegetable displaying all the symptoms of aspartame poisoning and having all the community services rallying around them, is it right to try to alert authorities to this possibility?

There are so many examples of blind acceptance in my work, acceptance that has damaged people sometimes beyond repair - do I speak or do I just do my job - repair work - knowing that the problem will continue unchecked? I guess it is a matter of some people wanting to hear the truth and others not. Like you I have managed to stop some people taking statins and with others I haven't bothered to say anything.

Best,

Jane

Lynn Ward

Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:51 AM

Re: Gerson Documentary HumiliatesQuackbusters...

At 04:50 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote:No question...Just because one is anti-establishment, or anti whatever the common thought is, doesn't make one wrong. the Cholesterol issue is a really good example of that. And, it's true. For a long time, people felt what folks said about Statins and Cholesterol was hooey. Turns out, it wasn't so silly after all...*grin* Fact is, it is thanks to the information in this group that I wound up having my DH stop the statin he was taking. He was having side-effects, which I thought were caused by the drug. But, the doc said no. I didn't agree. And, thanks to the info and links folks like yourself provided, I substantiated my thoughts and told him to stop taking them. He's felt better. Now we'll see if we're effective in lowering his extremely high cholesterol through diet.In fact, that makes my point exactly - just because people say something is, or isn't true doesn't make it so. Remember, popular opinion once said the earth was flat (in fact did you see the video I posted a link to? Apparently fundamentalist Muslems believe not only is the earth flat, but that the sun rotates around the earth..they believe that because the Koran says it is so..the video is in Farci, but is translated at the bottom....)The only thing I have an issue with, is someone believing something pretty much solely because someone tells them it is so. I think all of us have a tendency to want to believe what fits into our particular POV. I may not always be successful, but try very hard to look at all sides of an issue before I make up my mind. Often, even when I think I know, I check things out. I think this may be a personality trait - I'm not sure. It was this very thing that used to get me into a lot of trouble in school when I was young. Asked too many questions. Usually I asked them because I really wanted to know - although I'll admit, not always. *grin* I can't tell you how delighted I was, when I went to college, where they liked the fact that you asked questions. Even then, though, professors usually weren't always thrilled if you held a different POV than they, even if you could substantiate it.Generally, I've always thought, since I learned anything about them (which is more years than I care to count..*smile*), that it is foolhardy not to use what God gave us - the herbs and minerals and good foods and so on. That all the preservatives and additives and fake stuff isn't good for us. Really, it's only logical when one actually thinks about it. As it is with many man-made things most use to make their lives easier.I've found, that even when I read something from someone I generally trust, sometimes there are things which don't seem logical or make sense to me. To me, Truth is usually logical - even if you have a ways to get to the logical part. But, not always, of course. There are some Truths which are not logical.....But, on the whole, the more I learn, the less illogical Truth seems. On many levels.That's all I've been trying to say....Lynn

you wrote LYNNJust because something agrees what you or I may believe, doesn't necessarily mean it's true - and the converse, because something or someone says something we don't happen to believe, doesn't necessarily mean it's not true. AND I MOSTLY AGREE WITH YOU BUT I have been (for example) anti the chholesterol theory of heart disease for many many years...... once upon a time there were a few professional people who thought this way .... their thoughts 'meshed' with mine..... but we were all considered anti establishment................ I am pleased to say that now .... several yearslater thre are hundred of well respected medics, professor and the likes standing up and shouting out against the cholesterol hypothesis BUT mainstream medicine still says we are wrong...... the numbers are growing daily...... on the side of anti establishemnt and pharma fraud...... sometime you just gotta stand up for what you believe in AGAINST the establisment...........

March 16, 2008

At 07:22 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote:

I guess I would have to try and fix what I could one person at a time.

I'm not a political activist - have always found it far too frustrating.

But, one at a time - or a couple at a time - I've had some success with

that. As far as the aspartame person - I guess I would gather as much

info as I could, then try to talk to his/her relatives. Give as much

factual data as possible. Then, I think I'd have to end with something

like this, " if what I'm saying is true, then you will lose nothing

by trying it. It certainly won't hurt whoever not to take something with

aspartame in it. If I'm wrong, and it makes no difference, at least

you'll know you tried. You've lost nothing but a little time and

effort. " Of course, if it means risking losing your job - well, I

think one has to measure how many you could help, versus the one you may

not be able to. It's a very difficult personal decision. It sounds to me

as though you've helped a number of people. It's sad, but we can't help

everyone, for a variety of reasons.

As far as the authorities go - again, if it comes down to whether or not

you'll lose your job, I guess you have to gage the importance of that

particular case versus your job and the others you may be able to help. I

recall you writing something about this is a previous post, but don't

remember the particulars. Ultimatley, it comes down to how strongly you

feel and how much good you think you may be able to do if you stay versus

if you don't. We can't save everyone, no matter how hard we try. When I

worked in a mental hospital as a psychiatric tech, I finally had to

leave, because ultimately, I was impotent. The people with the big

degrees were in power, even though I, and people like me, actually had

more patient contact, and knew more about the patients individually. Some

of their stupid decisions wound up costing several people their lives. I

knew it would, but they wouldn't listen because they felt they knew

better because of their degrees. At some point, I just couldn't take it

anymore, and had to leave. It was a shame, because I liked what I was

doing, and I was good at what I did, and was able to help a number of

people.

But, later, I was able to help some other people - and children. Not on a

mass basis, but mostly one-on-one. I've actually been able to help quite

a few people - but not nearly as many as I would like. I wish I could

change the system. I wish more than anything I could change the way a lot

of things are done. But, I can't. I'll lend my voice, energy and

experience to those who will, though. To those who have the stamina and

the stomach for politics. I've learned how to control myself a lot more

than I did when I was younger, but still have no tolerance for

double-talkers or for those who are less than honest. Knowingly so.

I can tell you're frustrated - as are many on the people in this group.

That happens when you know there is a better way and you have a hard time

getting someone to listen to you. Especially someones with some power or

position (which, I suppose, equates to power). Believe me - I understand.

More than you will know.

Lynn

When facts fall dead Truth come to life -

this is a saying which I like - we are all brainwashed to a certain

extent - or we all have our blindspots - due to upbringing and

conditioning - but it is difficult to see them all - growth and

awakening is a painful business often. Despite the

" evils " of our society we have to fit in as best we can and at

the same time do the best we can for everyone, as well as care for

ourselves and those we have contact with, family, friends, etc as far as

they will let us - but sometimes fighting their blind acceptance of

medication, vaccines, town water, religious demands, is very hard

work!

For example when someone who is fed

aspartame everyday and sits like a vegetable displaying all the symptoms

of aspartame poisoning and having all the community services rallying

around them, is it right to try to alert authorities to this

possibility?

There are so many examples of blind

acceptance in my work, acceptance that has damaged people sometimes

beyond repair - do I speak or do I just do my job - repair work - knowing

that the problem will continue unchecked? I guess it is a matter of

some people wanting to hear the truth and others not. Like you I

have managed to stop some people taking statins and with others I haven't

bothered to say anything.

No question...Just because one is anti-establishment, or anti

whatever the common thought is, doesn't make one wrong. the Cholesterol

issue is a really good example of that. And, it's true. For a long time,

people felt what folks said about Statins and Cholesterol was hooey.

Turns out, it wasn't so silly after all...*grin* Fact is, it is

thanks to the information in this group that I wound up having my DH stop

the statin he was taking. He was having side-effects, which I thought

were caused by the drug. But, the doc said no. I didn't agree. And,

thanks to the info and links folks like yourself provided, I

substantiated my thoughts and told him to stop taking them. He's felt

better. Now we'll see if we're effective in lowering his extremely high

cholesterol through diet.

In fact, that makes my point exactly - just because people say

something is, or isn't true doesn't make it so. Remember, popular opinion

once said the earth was flat (in fact did you see the video I posted a

link to? Apparently fundamentalist Muslems believe not only is the earth

flat, but that the sun rotates around the earth..they believe that

because the Koran says it is so..the video is in Farci, but is translated

at the bottom....)