HPV DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER- ANOTHER SCAM

[Guest guest]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK97CHQZhq0HPV does NOT cause cancer. Gardasil is a hoax and anyone who prescribes it is an idiot!

[Guest guest]

Due to various reasons I haven't been online for a while and I have

not been able to read any of the stuff regarding HPV and Cervical

Cancer, but having a bit of time, I came across this post and I just

had to make a comment regarding it.

 

I have not come across vaccines against HPV, maybe its just

something

that is around in the States, or just my ignorance, however, I am

only

too aware of HPV. HPV or Human Papilloma Virus is the medical name

for Genital Warts, and is a very widespread condition not only in

women, but in men also. When I was younger, I worked as a

receptionist in a GP's surgery, and after my yearly smear, I got my

result back as having the HPV Virus, along with CIN1 Pre Cancerous

Cells. Obviously, the fact that I was able to see the results was

due

to my job as normally, the patient is not able to see the lab

results. I was referred to the Gynae section of the local hospital,

and was given laser treatment to eliminate the Pre Cancerous Cells,

and since then, I have had not had one single abnormal smear.

 

I am not in any way qualified to comment on this vaccine, but as I

was

able to see many results as part of my job, the majority of women

with

abnormal smears showing the HPV virus, also showed CIN1 Pre

Cancerous

Cells.

 

Consequently I feel that the item you refer to in the post is very

dangerous, as is the title, it is an invitation to be complacent

about

HPV calling it a scam. I cant comment about a vaccine, but anyone

who

has HPV symptoms, easily seen in men, obviously, not so easy in

women,

but if any woman has any strange lumps or skin tags on their vagina,

or any reason to think they may have come in contact with the Virus,

I

urge you to visit your Dr or local STD Clinic and get checked out as

soon as possible as in my opinion, HPV and Pre Cancerous cells are

closely linked, at the end of the day, surely its worth getting

checked out as Genetal Warts are easily cleared with topical

treatments and I for one would far rather know if there was anything

sinister going on down there instead of just thinking its just

another

excuse for lining the pockets of the owners of Pharmaceutical

Companies.

 

 

 

 

, NWRaven <NWRaven

wrote:

>

>

>

> HPV does NOT cause cancer. Gardasil is a hoax and anyone who

prescribes it is an idiot!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Suzie,

 

Doctors and clinics across the country are promoting Merck's Gardasil

vaccine (also called the " HPV vaccine " ) to prevent cervical cancer.

They are recommending the vaccines to all girls as a " preventative. "

The vaccine is actually a series of vaccines that cost $360 and it

hurts.

 

Not only is this another pharmaceutical scam—this is a scam that is

being perpetuated by medical doctors and clinics. Vaccinations are

big business and they represent hundreds of dollars per day in revenue.

 

Dr. Joseph Mercola, whose mercola.com Web site is the largest

alternative health site on the Internet, calls the Gardasil vaccine

" useless. " When " gardasil " is typed into the search field on his

site, 59 pages of links are returned.

 

The Deception Behind HPV Infection Rates That Sells Unnecessary Vaccines

http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/The-Deception-Behind-HPV-

Infection-Rates-That-Sells-Unnecessary-Vaccines-6574.aspx

 

Growing Controversy Over New Merck Vaccines

http://www.mercola.com/2007/mar/10/growing-controversy-over-new-merck-

vaccines.htm

 

Gardasil Reactions and Deaths on the Rise

http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Gardasil-Reactions-and-Deaths-

on-the-Rise-29768.aspx

 

Mary Jo

 

p.s.

 

You may want to do some research on the iodine revival (Drs. Abraham,

Brownstein, Flechas and Eskin). Iodine eliminates cancer cells

through a natural mechanism in our bodies known as apoptosis

(programmed cell death). We need iodine as a preventative not a vaccine.

 

A handful of doctors in the country have been doing their own iodine

clinical trials for the past 10 years and they have organized medical

conferences for other doctors. The last conference was in San Diego

last October. Iodine and selenium both initiate apoptosis. Stephanie

Buist, who runs the Iodine group at , cured her thyroid cancer

with iodine. The medical establishment creates fear about cancer (and

" pre-cancerous cells " ) to promote conventional cancer treatments. Dr.

Bernard Eskin has been writing journal articles about iodine for

thirty years (he's written 100 articles).

 

Japanese researchers have found that iodine suppresses tumor growth

in experimental animals and they have demonstrated that seaweed, that

is high in iodine, induces apoptosis in human breast cancer cells

(Funahashi, H., Imaj, T., Tanaka, Y., et al, “Suppressive Effect of

Iodine on DMBA-Induced Breast Tumor Growth in the Rat,” Journal of

Surgical Oncology, 61:209-213, 1996, Funahashi, “Wakame Seaweed

Suppresses the Proliferation of 7,12-Dimethylbenz(a)-anthracene-

induced Mammary Tumors in Rats,” Japanese Journal of Cancer Research,

90 (1999), 992–997).

 

I'd recommend a Web video (there are links to several iodine videos

on the Vitamin C Foundation Web site):

Video 2: Iodine Deficiency and the Link to Breast and Prostate Cancer

This video discusses Dr. Brownstein’s observations on the value of

Iodine supplementation with relation to cystic breast disease and to

breast and prostate cancer.

http://www.internetwks.com/clips/bsBCancer.rm

 

 

 

 

Re: HPV DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER- ANOTHER SCAM

 

Posted by: " Suzie " suzie_a mybrookexxx

Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:23 pm (PDT)

 

Due to various reasons I haven't been online for a while and I have

not been able to read any of the stuff regarding HPV and Cervical

Cancer, but having a bit of time, I came across this post and I just

had to make a comment regarding it.

 

I have not come across vaccines against HPV, maybe its just

something

that is around in the States, or just my ignorance, however, I am

only

too aware of HPV. HPV or Human Papilloma Virus is the medical name

for Genital Warts, and is a very widespread condition not only in

women, but in men also. When I was younger, I worked as a

receptionist in a GP's surgery, and after my yearly smear, I got my

result back as having the HPV Virus, along with CIN1 Pre Cancerous

Cells. Obviously, the fact that I was able to see the results was

due

to my job as normally, the patient is not able to see the lab

results. I was referred to the Gynae section of the local hospital,

and was given laser treatment to eliminate the Pre Cancerous Cells,

and since then, I have had not had one single abnormal smear.

 

I am not in any way qualified to comment on this vaccine, but as I

was

able to see many results as part of my job, the majority of women

with

abnormal smears showing the HPV virus, also showed CIN1 Pre

Cancerous

Cells.

 

Consequently I feel that the item you refer to in the post is very

dangerous, as is the title, it is an invitation to be complacent

about

HPV calling it a scam. I cant comment about a vaccine, but anyone

who

has HPV symptoms, easily seen in men, obviously, not so easy in

women,

but if any woman has any strange lumps or skin tags on their vagina,

or any reason to think they may have come in contact with the Virus,

I

urge you to visit your Dr or local STD Clinic and get checked out as

soon as possible as in my opinion, HPV and Pre Cancerous cells are

closely linked, at the end of the day, surely its worth getting

checked out as Genetal Warts are easily cleared with topical

treatments and I for one would far rather know if there was anything

sinister going on down there instead of just thinking its just

another

excuse for lining the pockets of the owners of Pharmaceutical

Companies.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your information, and I will look into the research you

mentioned. Call me old fashioned if you like, but the only really

reliable way to prevent HPV is by using a condom. I know that many

people are not keen on using them, but, with all the various STD's

going around, whether or not they cause Cancer or anything else, its

the best way to be sure of you keeping clear of anything you would

not wish to get.

 

 

, Mary Jo Fahey

<maryjofahey wrote:

>

> Hi Suzie,

>

> Doctors and clinics across the country are promoting Merck's

Gardasil

> vaccine (also called the " HPV vaccine " ) to prevent cervical

cancer.

> They are recommending the vaccines to all girls as

a " preventative. "

> The vaccine is actually a series of vaccines that cost $360 and

it

> hurts.

>

> Not only is this another pharmaceutical scam—this is a scam that

is

> being perpetuated by medical doctors and clinics. Vaccinations

are

> big business and they represent hundreds of dollars per day in

revenue.

>

> Dr. Joseph Mercola, whose mercola.com Web site is the largest

> alternative health site on the Internet, calls the Gardasil

vaccine

> " useless. " When " gardasil " is typed into the search field on his

> site, 59 pages of links are returned.

>

> The Deception Behind HPV Infection Rates That Sells Unnecessary

Vaccines

> http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/The-Deception-Behind-HPV-

> Infection-Rates-That-Sells-Unnecessary-Vaccines-6574.aspx

>

> Growing Controversy Over New Merck Vaccines

> http://www.mercola.com/2007/mar/10/growing-controversy-over-new-

merck-

> vaccines.htm

>

> Gardasil Reactions and Deaths on the Rise

> http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Gardasil-Reactions-and-

Deaths-

> on-the-Rise-29768.aspx

>

> Mary Jo

>

> p.s.

>

> You may want to do some research on the iodine revival (Drs.

Abraham,

> Brownstein, Flechas and Eskin). Iodine eliminates cancer cells

> through a natural mechanism in our bodies known as apoptosis

> (programmed cell death). We need iodine as a preventative not a

vaccine.

>

> A handful of doctors in the country have been doing their own

iodine

> clinical trials for the past 10 years and they have organized

medical

> conferences for other doctors. The last conference was in San

Diego

> last October. Iodine and selenium both initiate apoptosis.

Stephanie

> Buist, who runs the Iodine group at , cured her thyroid

cancer

> with iodine. The medical establishment creates fear about cancer

(and

> " pre-cancerous cells " ) to promote conventional cancer treatments.

Dr.

> Bernard Eskin has been writing journal articles about iodine for

> thirty years (he's written 100 articles).

>

> Japanese researchers have found that iodine suppresses tumor

growth

> in experimental animals and they have demonstrated that seaweed,

that

> is high in iodine, induces apoptosis in human breast cancer cells

> (Funahashi, H., Imaj, T., Tanaka, Y., et al, " Suppressive Effect

of

> Iodine on DMBA-Induced Breast Tumor Growth in the Rat, " Journal

of

> Surgical Oncology, 61:209-213, 1996, Funahashi, " Wakame Seaweed

> Suppresses the Proliferation of 7,12-Dimethylbenz(a)-anthracene-

> induced Mammary Tumors in Rats, " Japanese Journal of Cancer

Research,

> 90 (1999), 992–997).

>

> I'd recommend a Web video (there are links to several iodine

videos

> on the Vitamin C Foundation Web site):

> Video 2: Iodine Deficiency and the Link to Breast and Prostate

Cancer

> This video discusses Dr. Brownstein's observations on the value

of

> Iodine supplementation with relation to cystic breast disease and

to

> breast and prostate cancer.

> http://www.internetwks.com/clips/bsBCancer.rm

>

>

>

>

> Re: HPV DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER- ANOTHER SCAM

>

> Posted by: " Suzie " suzie_a mybrookexxx

> Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:23 pm (PDT)

>

> Due to various reasons I haven't been online for a while and I have

> not been able to read any of the stuff regarding HPV and Cervical

> Cancer, but having a bit of time, I came across this post and I

just

> had to make a comment regarding it.

>

> I have not come across vaccines against HPV, maybe its just

> something

> that is around in the States, or just my ignorance, however, I am

> only

> too aware of HPV. HPV or Human Papilloma Virus is the medical name

> for Genital Warts, and is a very widespread condition not only in

> women, but in men also. When I was younger, I worked as a

> receptionist in a GP's surgery, and after my yearly smear, I got my

> result back as having the HPV Virus, along with CIN1 Pre Cancerous

> Cells. Obviously, the fact that I was able to see the results was

> due

> to my job as normally, the patient is not able to see the lab

> results. I was referred to the Gynae section of the local hospital,

> and was given laser treatment to eliminate the Pre Cancerous Cells,

> and since then, I have had not had one single abnormal smear.

>

> I am not in any way qualified to comment on this vaccine, but as I

> was

> able to see many results as part of my job, the majority of women

> with

> abnormal smears showing the HPV virus, also showed CIN1 Pre

> Cancerous

> Cells.

>

> Consequently I feel that the item you refer to in the post is very

> dangerous, as is the title, it is an invitation to be complacent

> about

> HPV calling it a scam. I cant comment about a vaccine, but anyone

> who

> has HPV symptoms, easily seen in men, obviously, not so easy in

> women,

> but if any woman has any strange lumps or skin tags on their

vagina,

> or any reason to think they may have come in contact with the

Virus,

> I

> urge you to visit your Dr or local STD Clinic and get checked out

as

> soon as possible as in my opinion, HPV and Pre Cancerous cells are

> closely linked, at the end of the day, surely its worth getting

> checked out as Genetal Warts are easily cleared with topical

> treatments and I for one would far rather know if there was

anything

> sinister going on down there instead of just thinking its just

> another

> excuse for lining the pockets of the owners of Pharmaceutical

> Companies.

>

[Guest guest]

And there was this article on the unreliability of condoms yesterday too!

 

Jane

 

-

" Suzie " <suzie_a

 

Friday, March 21, 2008 11:21 PM

Re: HPV DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER- ANOTHER SCAM

 

 

Thanks for your information, and I will look into the research you

mentioned. Call me old fashioned if you like, but the only really

reliable way to prevent HPV is by using a condom. I know that many

people are not keen on using them, but, with all the various STD's

going around, whether or not they cause Cancer or anything else, its

the best way to be sure of you keeping clear of anything you would

not wish to get.

[Guest guest]

At 08:21 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote:

Actually, there's quite a bit of evidence that shows condoms do little or

nothing to prevent STDs. When you're researching the other stuff, you

might want to research that also....Remember, condoms only cover one

small area - there is a lot of skin that isn't covered - on both parties.

Not to mention fluids, etc that are not contained. It's not something

that is talked about a lot, because it belies the claim of " safe

sex. " But, if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. The only

thing a condom may help prevent, is pregnancy. Other than that, all bets

are off. Unless, of course, one can figure out how to cover all the other

skin in that area that touches skin.....

Lynn

Thanks for your information, and

I will look into the research you

mentioned. Call me old fashioned if you like, but the only really

reliable way to prevent HPV is by using a condom. I know that many

people are not keen on using them, but, with all the various STD's

going around, whether or not they cause Cancer or anything else, its

 

the best way to be sure of you keeping clear of anything you would

not wish to get.

[Guest guest]

But still, it is recommended that you keep some around, within the reach. A couple of dozen in your handbag.....and a few dozen in your bedside table.....which you probably know all about.KennDen 21/03/2008 kl. 13.31 skrev Jane MacRoss:And there was this article on the unreliability of condoms yesterday too!Jane- "Suzie" <suzie_a (AT) hotmail (DOT) co.uk>Friday, March 21, 2008 11:21 PM Re: HPV DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER- ANOTHER SCAMThanks for your information, and I will look into the research you mentioned. Call me old fashioned if you like, but the only really reliable way to prevent HPV is by using a condom. I know that many people are not keen on using them, but, with all the various STD's going around, whether or not they cause Cancer or anything else, its the best way to be sure of you keeping clear of anything you would not wish to get.

[Guest guest]

Well there is one thing you got to be sure about, and that is you got the right size......it is no idea to come up with a size 5 inch, if you really need a size 10 inch.Den 21/03/2008 kl. 17.51 skrev Lynn Ward:At 08:21 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote:Actually, there's quite a bit of evidence that shows condoms do little or nothing to prevent STDs. When you're researching the other stuff, you might want to research that also....Remember, condoms only cover one small area - there is a lot of skin that isn't covered - on both parties. Not to mention fluids, etc that are not contained. It's not something that is talked about a lot, because it belies the claim of "safe sex." But, if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. The only thing a condom may help prevent, is pregnancy. Other than that, all bets are off. Unless, of course, one can figure out how to cover all the other skin in that area that touches skin.....LynnThanks for your information, and I will look into the research you mentioned. Call me old fashioned if you like, but the only really reliable way to prevent HPV is by using a condom. I know that many people are not keen on using them, but, with all the various STD's going around, whether or not they cause Cancer or anything else, its the best way to be sure of you keeping clear of anything you would not wish to get.

[Guest guest]

Speak for yourself. Never use them. Which isn't surprising - women don't often use them.

 

-

Kenn Johnsen

Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:10 AM

Re: Re: HPV DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER- ANOTHER SCAM

But still, it is recommended that you keep some around, within the reach. A couple of dozen in your handbag.....and a few dozen in your bedside table.....which you probably know all about.

 

Kenn

 

[Guest guest]

At 01:18 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote:

I think, when one is married, or has been in a monogamous relationship

for a long time, they are used less - if at all ....On that note, do you

remember the women's condom they came out with a number of years ago?

This sort of huge, translucent balloon thing?

Lynn

 

Speak for yourself. Never use them.

Which isn't surprising - women don't often use them.

 

 

-

Kenn Johnsen

To:

 

Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:10 AM

Re: Re: HPV DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER-

ANOTHER SCAM

But still, it is recommended that you keep some around, within the

reach. A couple of dozen in your handbag.....and a few dozen in your

bedside table.....which you probably know all about.

Kenn

[Guest guest]

At 01:14 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote:

 

Show off!!! No, really...it's not like sticking the end of a broom

into a mouse hole - skin touches skin...lots of uncovered skin. I figure

there's not need for me to get graphic, as I don't want to offend anyone.

But, I will if you want.....But, think about it logically..

Lynn

 

Well there is one thing you got

to be sure about, and that is you got the right size......it is no idea

to come up with a size 5 inch, if you really need a size 10

inch.

 

Den 21/03/2008 kl. 17.51 skrev Lynn Ward:

 

At 08:21 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote:

Actually, there's quite a bit of evidence that shows condoms do little or

nothing to prevent STDs. When you're researching the other stuff, you

might want to research that also....Remember, condoms only cover one

small area - there is a lot of skin that isn't covered - on both parties.

Not to mention fluids, etc that are not contained. It's not something

that is talked about a lot, because it belies the claim of " safe

sex. " But, if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. The only

thing a condom may help prevent, is pregnancy. Other than that, all bets

are off. Unless, of course, one can figure out how to cover all the other

skin in that area that touches skin.....

Lynn

Thanks for your information, and

I will look into the research you

mentioned. Call me old fashioned if you like, but the only really

reliable way to prevent HPV is by using a condom. I know that many

people are not keen on using them, but, with all the various STD's

going around, whether or not they cause Cancer or anything else, its

 

the best way to be sure of you keeping clear of anything you would

not wish to get.

[Guest guest]

Ha......ha......haDen 21/03/2008 kl. 18.18 skrev Jane MacRoss:Speak for yourself. Never use them. Which isn't surprising - women don't often use them.-Kenn Johnsen Saturday, March 22, 2008 4:10 AMRe: Re: HPV DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER- ANOTHER SCAMBut still, it is recommended that you keep some around, within the reach. A couple of dozen in your handbag.....and a few dozen in your bedside table.....which you probably know all about.Kenn

[Guest guest]

Ha.......ha.....ho......ho...Den 21/03/2008 kl. 18.43 skrev Lynn Ward:At 01:14 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote:Show off!!! No, really...it's not like sticking the end of a broom into a mouse hole - skin touches skin...lots of uncovered skin. I figure there's not need for me to get graphic, as I don't want to offend anyone. But, I will if you want.....But, think about it logically..LynnWell there is one thing you got to be sure about, and that is you got the right size......it is no idea to come up with a size 5 inch, if you really need a size 10 inch.Den 21/03/2008 kl. 17.51 skrev Lynn Ward:At 08:21 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote:Actually, there's quite a bit of evidence that shows condoms do little or nothing to prevent STDs. When you're researching the other stuff, you might want to research that also....Remember, condoms only cover one small area - there is a lot of skin that isn't covered - on both parties. Not to mention fluids, etc that are not contained. It's not something that is talked about a lot, because it belies the claim of "safe sex." But, if you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. The only thing a condom may help prevent, is pregnancy. Other than that, all bets are off. Unless, of course, one can figure out how to cover all the other skin in that area that touches skin.....LynnThanks for your information, and I will look into the research you mentioned. Call me old fashioned if you like, but the only really reliable way to prevent HPV is by using a condom. I know that many people are not keen on using them, but, with all the various STD's going around, whether or not they cause Cancer or anything else, its the best way to be sure of you keeping clear of anything you would not wish to get.

[Guest guest]

Well thats me told. No matter what you say though, a condom is the

closest thing you can get to prevent STD's other than not having

penetrative sex at all.

 

I was never a fan of condoms, indeed in my single days, I was

constantly suffering from thrush caused by the lubricant used, but

at the end of the day, I would rather have a dose of easily treated

thrush than something worse.

 

I think you will find that it is possible to buy different sizes and

styles of condoms, and as for the uncovered skin, well, call me

stupid, but I cant think of any area left uncovered by the right

sized condom that will cause any STD. Please inform me if I am on

the wrong track here and since my marriage there is something people

do these days that I have never heard of.

 

At the end of the day, its down to the individual what they do, but

personally I would rather a prevention than a cure, but the subject

seems to have changed somewhat, its not a case of whether or not you

like to use condoms, but the fact that HPV can cause cancer or not,

and I still maintain that it does and in the event of there not

being anything else available, if there is a chance of catching HPV

then using a condom is a bit of a no brainer!!!

 

Rhiannon

 

 

 

 

, Kenn Johnsen <kennj

wrote:

>

> Ha.......ha.....ho......ho...

>

>

>

> Den 21/03/2008 kl. 18.43 skrev Lynn Ward:

>

> > At 01:14 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote:

> >

> >

> > Show off!!! No, really...it's not like sticking the end of a

broom

> > into a mouse hole - skin touches skin...lots of uncovered skin.

I

> > figure there's not need for me to get graphic, as I don't want

to

> > offend anyone. But, I will if you want.....But, think about it

> > logically..

> >

> > Lynn

> >

> >

> >> Well there is one thing you got to be sure about, and that is

you

> >> got the right size......it is no idea to come up with a size 5

> >> inch, if you really need a size 10 inch.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Den 21/03/2008 kl. 17.51 skrev Lynn Ward:

> >>>

> >>> At 08:21 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote:

> >>>

> >>> Actually, there's quite a bit of evidence that shows condoms

do

> >>> little or nothing to prevent STDs. When you're researching

the

> >>> other stuff, you might want to research that

also....Remember,

> >>> condoms only cover one small area - there is a lot of skin

that

> >>> isn't covered - on both parties. Not to mention fluids, etc

that

> >>> are not contained. It's not something that is talked about a

lot,

> >>> because it belies the claim of " safe sex. " But, if you think

about

> >>> it, it makes a lot of sense. The only thing a condom may help

> >>> prevent, is pregnancy. Other than that, all bets are off.

Unless,

> >>> of course, one can figure out how to cover all the other skin

in

> >>> that area that touches skin.....

> >>>

> >>> Lynn

> >>>

> >>>> Thanks for your information, and I will look into the

research you

> >>>> mentioned. Call me old fashioned if you like, but the only

really

> >>>> reliable way to prevent HPV is by using a condom. I know that

many

> >>>> people are not keen on using them, but, with all the various

STD's

> >>>> going around, whether or not they cause Cancer or anything

else,

> >>>> its

> >>>> the best way to be sure of you keeping clear of anything you

would

> >>>> not wish to get.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

At 09:17 AM 3/22/2008, you wrote:

Rhiannon,

Of course it can help. Especially if something is conveyed through

fluids....What I was alluding to without getting graphic, is, well...I

don't know how you have sex, but whenever I've had it, the skin around

the gentiles touch each other. Rub against each other. Beyond that which

happens when there is penetration. How do you think one of the ways

genital Herpes is passed on? You don't even have to have penetration for

that to happen, depending on where the person's sore is. In fact, there

is a lot of evidence that the herpes doesn't even have to be active for

one to pass it on. Scabies is another. While not technically an STD, it's

grouped with them due to the method of transmission. Chlamydia.

Crabs....there are a number of things grouped under the classification of

STD that are not necessarily conveyed through the act of sexual

intercourse. Bacterial Vaginosis (BV) is another - it's not strictly an

STD as it is not transmitted via sexual intercourse. However, it can be

exacerbated by sex and is more frequently found in sexually active women

than those who have never had intercourse. Genital warts are caused by

some sub-types of Human Papillomavirus (HPV). They can appear on the skin

anywhere in the genital area. Some STDs can be transmitted without having

intercourse; they can be passed through skin-to-skin contact in the

genital area. (Apparently, STI - Sexually Transmitted Infection - is now

the preferred term from what I've been reading..)

My point was - and is - that to say sex is safe simply because one wears

a condom is foolish and dangerous. I felt the numbers of girls who

ostensibly have a STD were awfully high. 1 out of 4. But, lets say it's

only 1 out of 10. 1 out of 20. That's still and awful lot of girls who

have something because they were fooling around. And, to tell people they

will be safe from STDs because they wear a condom, is misleading - at the

very least. If people, especially teenagers, are aware that using a

condom does not protect them from a number of STDs, perhaps they will be

more careful. Have sex with fewer people. Or, go to the doctor and get

themselves checked more often. More closely check their intended partner.

Whatever..........but, many are laboring under the false notion that

using a condom (if they even do that) will protect them from getting a

SDT. And, they clearly do not protect one from everything that is out

there.

I in no way am saying people shouldn't use condoms. Of course they

should. Don't know if you read it yet, but I sent something to the group

that spoke about the rise, and large numbers of over 50 people who have

become either HIV positive or who have gotten Aids. Because, people that

age, my age, don't think about getting pregnant (post menopause) and

don't usually even consider that someone in their age group might have a

disease. It's becoming a fatale error in judgement for a number of folks

over 50.

Lynn

 

Well thats me told. No matter

what you say though, a condom is the

closest thing you can get to prevent STD's other than not having

penetrative sex at all.

I was never a fan of condoms, indeed in my single days, I was

constantly suffering from thrush caused by the lubricant used, but

at the end of the day, I would rather have a dose of easily treated

thrush than something worse.

I think you will find that it is possible to buy different sizes and

 

styles of condoms, and as for the uncovered skin, well, call me

stupid, but I cant think of any area left uncovered by the right

sized condom that will cause any STD. Please inform me if I am on

the wrong track here and since my marriage there is something people

 

do these days that I have never heard of.

At the end of the day, its down to the individual what they do, but

personally I would rather a prevention than a cure, but the subject

seems to have changed somewhat, its not a case of whether or not you

 

like to use condoms, but the fact that HPV can cause cancer or not,

and I still maintain that it does and in the event of there not

being anything else available, if there is a chance of catching HPV

then using a condom is a bit of a no brainer!!!

Rhiannon

--- In

 

, Kenn Johnsen <kennj

 

wrote:

>

> Ha.......ha.....ho......ho...

>

>

>

> Den 21/03/2008 kl. 18.43 skrev Lynn Ward:

>

> > At 01:14 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote:

> >

> >

> > Show off!!! No, really...it's not like sticking the end of a

 

broom

> > into a mouse hole - skin touches skin...lots of uncovered skin.

 

I

> > figure there's not need for me to get graphic, as I don't want

 

to

> > offend anyone. But, I will if you want.....But, think about it

 

> > logically..

>

[Guest guest]

I am not disagreeing with what a condom does, and the subject that

is being discussed is HPV (genetal warts) and herpes has nothing to

do with it at all. As you say, it can be contracted if it is active

or inactive and can also be caught through oral sex if one of the

partners has a cold sore on the mouth.

 

I am a qualified pharmacist and I really dont need a lesson in safe

sex indeed, I object to you talking to me as if I haven't a clue

about sex, I am married and am well aware of all STD's, the cures

and how they are contracted, as I spent enough time in university

learning such things, and I really dont appreciate being spoken to

like an idiot.

 

The subject of the discussion was HPV and that is what I was

referring to, but if you wish to discuss facts and figures I could

probably give you more facts and figures than you could read without

falling asleep, so I suggest if you want to discuss other STD's it

is done under a different topic, and not HPV causing cancer and the

effacacy of the vaccine.

 

, Lynn Ward <lynnward

wrote:

>

> At 09:17 AM 3/22/2008, you wrote:

>

> Rhiannon,

>

> Of course it can help. Especially if something is conveyed through

> fluids....What I was alluding to without getting graphic, is,

> well...I don't know how you have sex, but whenever I've had it,

the

> skin around the gentiles touch each other. Rub against each other.

> Beyond that which happens when there is penetration. How do you

think

> one of the ways genital Herpes is passed on? You don't even have

to

> have penetration for that to happen, depending on where the

person's

> sore is. In fact, there is a lot of evidence that the herpes

doesn't

> even have to be active for one to pass it on. Scabies is another.

> While not technically an STD, it's grouped with them due to the

> method of transmission. Chlamydia. Crabs....there are a number of

> things grouped under the classification of STD that are not

> necessarily conveyed through the act of sexual intercourse.

Bacterial

> Vaginosis (BV) is another - it's not strictly an STD as it is not

> transmitted via sexual intercourse. However, it can be exacerbated

by

> sex and is more frequently found in sexually active women than

those

> who have never had intercourse. Genital warts are caused by some

> sub-types of Human Papillomavirus (HPV). They can appear on the

skin

> anywhere in the genital area. Some STDs can be transmitted without

> having intercourse; they can be passed through skin-to-skin

contact

> in the genital area. (Apparently, STI - Sexually Transmitted

> Infection - is now the preferred term from what I've been

reading..)

>

> My point was - and is - that to say sex is safe simply because one

> wears a condom is foolish and dangerous. I felt the numbers of

girls

> who ostensibly have a STD were awfully high. 1 out of 4. But, lets

> say it's only 1 out of 10. 1 out of 20. That's still and awful lot

of

> girls who have something because they were fooling around. And, to

> tell people they will be safe from STDs because they wear a

condom,

> is misleading - at the very least. If people, especially

teenagers,

> are aware that using a condom does not protect them from a number

of

> STDs, perhaps they will be more careful. Have sex with fewer

people.

> Or, go to the doctor and get themselves checked more often. More

> closely check their intended partner. Whatever..........but, many

are

> laboring under the false notion that using a condom (if they even

do

> that) will protect them from getting a SDT. And, they clearly do

not

> protect one from everything that is out there.

>

> I in no way am saying people shouldn't use condoms. Of course they

> should. Don't know if you read it yet, but I sent something to the

> group that spoke about the rise, and large numbers of over 50

people

> who have become either HIV positive or who have gotten Aids.

Because,

> people that age, my age, don't think about getting pregnant (post

> menopause) and don't usually even consider that someone in their

age

> group might have a disease. It's becoming a fatale error in

judgement

> for a number of folks over 50.

>

> Lynn

>

>

> >Well thats me told. No matter what you say though, a condom is the

> >closest thing you can get to prevent STD's other than not having

> >penetrative sex at all.

> >

> >I was never a fan of condoms, indeed in my single days, I was

> >constantly suffering from thrush caused by the lubricant used, but

> >at the end of the day, I would rather have a dose of easily

treated

> >thrush than something worse.

> >

> >I think you will find that it is possible to buy different sizes

and

> >styles of condoms, and as for the uncovered skin, well, call me

> >stupid, but I cant think of any area left uncovered by the right

> >sized condom that will cause any STD. Please inform me if I am on

> >the wrong track here and since my marriage there is something

people

> >do these days that I have never heard of.

> >

> >At the end of the day, its down to the individual what they do,

but

> >personally I would rather a prevention than a cure, but the

subject

> >seems to have changed somewhat, its not a case of whether or not

you

> >like to use condoms, but the fact that HPV can cause cancer or

not,

> >and I still maintain that it does and in the event of there not

> >being anything else available, if there is a chance of catching

HPV

> >then using a condom is a bit of a no brainer!!!

> >

> >Rhiannon

> >

> >--- In

> ><%

40> ,

> >Kenn Johnsen <kennj@>

> >wrote:

> > >

> > > Ha.......ha.....ho......ho...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Den 21/03/2008 kl. 18.43 skrev Lynn Ward:

> > >

> > > > At 01:14 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Show off!!! No, really...it's not like sticking the end of a

> >broom

> > > > into a mouse hole - skin touches skin...lots of uncovered

skin.

> >I

> > > > figure there's not need for me to get graphic, as I don't

want

> >to

> > > > offend anyone. But, I will if you want.....But, think about

it

> > > > logically..

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

At 03:00 PM 3/23/2008, you wrote:

So sorry to offend - this discussion came up in regards to how well a

condom stops one from getting an STD. In fact, the genesis of it was an

article I sent that said 1 in 4 teenage girls now have an STD. My

examples were because you said you couldn't think of any way that a

person could contract one while using a condom, citing the fact that you

have been married for a while. I guessed you were trying to say that you

knew all about sex - and was surprised when you said you couldn't think

of a way that one could get an STD when using a condom. You said

" >styles of condoms, and as for the uncovered skin, well, call

me

> >stupid, but I cant think of any area left uncovered by the

right sized condom that will cause any STD. Please inform me if I

am on the wrong track here and since my marriage there is something

people

> >do these days that I have never heard of. "

As an aside, while this may not apply to you, I have known a number of

people who have been married for quite some time, and really didn't know

much about sex other than the missionary position and the quick " in

and out. "

I merely responded to your statement. I never focused primarily on HPV.

As I recall, the comments were mistakenly posted to the wrong message -

rather than change the heading, I just followed through. Or, it may have

been in response to something about condoms. I really don't remember.

But, in any case, as you clearly know, a condom does not always make one

safe from genital warts....which was what what I was saying all

along......and, that kids are being misled by being told sex will be safe

if they use a condom. They aren't being given the whole picture - which

has been the crux of my argument all along.

If you took my giving examples as treating you like an idiot - well,

that's your perception not mine. If I really thought you were an idiot, I

doubt if I would have answered your post. It would have been a waste of

time, and I try not to do that. However, it was not my intention to

offend, speak to you like a child, or put you down in any way. Had I

wanted to do so, my choice of words would have been different.

Lynn

 

I am not disagreeing with what a

condom does, and the subject that

is being discussed is HPV (genetal warts) and herpes has nothing to

do with it at all. As you say, it can be contracted if it is active

or inactive and can also be caught through oral sex if one of the

partners has a cold sore on the mouth.

I am a qualified pharmacist and I really dont need a lesson in safe

sex indeed, I object to you talking to me as if I haven't a clue

about sex, I am married and am well aware of all STD's, the cures

and how they are contracted, as I spent enough time in university

learning such things, and I really dont appreciate being spoken to

like an idiot.

The subject of the discussion was HPV and that is what I was

referring to, but if you wish to discuss facts and figures I could

probably give you more facts and figures than you could read without

 

falling asleep, so I suggest if you want to discuss other STD's it

is done under a different topic, and not HPV causing cancer and the

effacacy of the vaccine.

--- In

 

, Lynn Ward <lynnward

 

wrote:

>

> At 09:17 AM 3/22/2008, you wrote:

>

> Rhiannon,

>

> Of course it can help. Especially if something is conveyed through

 

> fluids....What I was alluding to without getting graphic, is,

> well...I don't know how you have sex, but whenever I've had it,

 

the

> skin around the gentiles touch each other. Rub against each other.

 

> Beyond that which happens when there is penetration. How do you

 

think

> one of the ways genital Herpes is passed on? You don't even have

 

to

> have penetration for that to happen, depending on where the

person's

> sore is. In fact, there is a lot of evidence that the herpes

doesn't

> even have to be active for one to pass it on. Scabies is another.

 

> While not technically an STD, it's grouped with them due to the

 

> method of transmission. Chlamydia. Crabs....there are a number of

 

> things grouped under the classification of STD that are not

> necessarily conveyed through the act of sexual intercourse.

Bacterial

> Vaginosis (BV) is another - it's not strictly an STD as it is not

 

> transmitted via sexual intercourse. However, it can be exacerbated

 

by

> sex and is more frequently found in sexually active women than

those

> who have never had intercourse. Genital warts are caused by some

 

> sub-types of Human Papillomavirus (HPV). They can appear on the

 

skin

> anywhere in the genital area. Some STDs can be transmitted without

 

> having intercourse; they can be passed through skin-to-skin

contact

> in the genital area. (Apparently, STI - Sexually Transmitted

> Infection - is now the preferred term from what I've been

reading..)

>

> My point was - and is - that to say sex is safe simply because one

 

> wears a condom is foolish and dangerous. I felt the numbers of

girls

> who ostensibly have a STD were awfully high. 1 out of 4. But, lets

 

> say it's only 1 out of 10. 1 out of 20. That's still and awful lot

 

of

> girls who have something because they were fooling around. And, to

 

> tell people they will be safe from STDs because they wear a

condom,

> is misleading - at the very least. If people, especially

teenagers,

> are aware that using a condom does not protect them from a number

 

of

> STDs, perhaps they will be more careful. Have sex with fewer

people.

> Or, go to the doctor and get themselves checked more often. More

 

> closely check their intended partner. Whatever..........but, many

 

are

> laboring under the false notion that using a condom (if they even

 

do

> that) will protect them from getting a SDT. And, they clearly do

 

not

> protect one from everything that is out there.

>

> I in no way am saying people shouldn't use condoms. Of course they

 

> should. Don't know if you read it yet, but I sent something to the

 

> group that spoke about the rise, and large numbers of over 50

people

> who have become either HIV positive or who have gotten Aids.

Because,

> people that age, my age, don't think about getting pregnant (post

 

> menopause) and don't usually even consider that someone in their

 

age

> group might have a disease. It's becoming a fatale error in

judgement

> for a number of folks over 50.

>

> Lynn

>

>

> >Well thats me told. No matter what you say though, a condom is

the

> >closest thing you can get to prevent STD's other than not

having

> >penetrative sex at all.

> >

> >I was never a fan of condoms, indeed in my single days, I

was

> >constantly suffering from thrush caused by the lubricant used,

but

> >at the end of the day, I would rather have a dose of easily

 

treated

> >thrush than something worse.

> >

> >I think you will find that it is possible to buy different sizes

 

and

> >styles of condoms, and as for the uncovered skin, well, call

me

> >stupid, but I cant think of any area left uncovered by the

right

> >sized condom that will cause any STD. Please inform me if I am

on

> >the wrong track here and since my marriage there is something

 

people

> >do these days that I have never heard of.

> >

> >At the end of the day, its down to the individual what they do,

 

but

> >personally I would rather a prevention than a cure, but the

 

subject

> >seems to have changed somewhat, its not a case of whether or not

 

you

> >like to use condoms, but the fact that HPV can cause cancer or

 

not,

> >and I still maintain that it does and in the event of there

not

> >being anything else available, if there is a chance of catching

 

HPV

> >then using a condom is a bit of a no brainer!!!

> >

> >Rhiannon

> >

> >

> ><%

40>

,

> >Kenn Johnsen <kennj@>

> >wrote:

> > >

> > > Ha.......ha.....ho......ho...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Den 21/03/2008 kl. 18.43 skrev Lynn Ward:

> > >

> > > > At 01:14 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Show off!!! No, really...it's not like sticking the

end of a

> >broom

> > > > into a mouse hole - skin touches skin...lots of

uncovered

skin.

> >I

> > > > figure there's not need for me to get graphic, as I

don't

want

> >to

> > > > offend anyone. But, I will if you want.....But, think

about

it

> > > > logically..

> > >

[Guest guest]

Sorry if I came across as a bit sharp, lets say I was having a bad

day!!!!

 

I guess the long and the short of the matter is that in the event of

nothing else being available, condoms are the only way of trying to

prevent HPV other than celebacy. At least the use of a condom

reduces the risk of contracting this and other infections quite

considerably, and having been on the wrong end of the laser to rid

myself of the HPV virus, I would suggest that anyone with an ounce

of sense would use them. Lets face it, the Family Planning Clinics,

GUM Clinics, and Drug Agencies give them away by the bucket full so

there is really no excuse not to at least give them a try.

 

I really cant see that people are going to not have sex no matter

what infections there are going around, this is proved by the fact

that HIV/Aids is spreading through the hetrosexual community faster

than the Gay community and until some genius comes up with an

alternative, I really cant see that changing no matter what peoples

preferences are, the saying that using a condom is like having a

bath while fully clothed is still a very common thought, so lets

hope that the younger generation (and in a lot of cases, us older

generation) either wise up, or a miracle cure all comes on the

market or I cant honestly see the situation changing.

 

 

 

 

, Lynn Ward <lynnward

wrote:

>

> At 03:00 PM 3/23/2008, you wrote:

>

> So sorry to offend - this discussion came up in regards to how

well a

> condom stops one from getting an STD. In fact, the genesis of it

was

> an article I sent that said 1 in 4 teenage girls now have an STD.

My

> examples were because you said you couldn't think of any way that

a

> person could contract one while using a condom, citing the fact

that

> you have been married for a while. I guessed you were trying to

say

> that you knew all about sex - and was surprised when you said you

> couldn't think of a way that one could get an STD when using a

> condom. You said " >styles of condoms, and as for the uncovered

skin,

> well, call me

> > >stupid, but I cant think of any area left uncovered by the

> right sized condom that will cause any STD. Please inform me if I

am

> on the wrong track here and since my marriage there is something

people

> > >do these days that I have never heard of. "

>

> As an aside, while this may not apply to you, I have known a

number

> of people who have been married for quite some time, and really

> didn't know much about sex other than the missionary position and

the

> quick " in and out. "

>

> I merely responded to your statement. I never focused primarily on

> HPV. As I recall, the comments were mistakenly posted to the wrong

> message - rather than change the heading, I just followed through.

> Or, it may have been in response to something about condoms. I

really

> don't remember. But, in any case, as you clearly know, a condom

does

> not always make one safe from genital warts....which was what what

I

> was saying all along......and, that kids are being misled by being

> told sex will be safe if they use a condom. They aren't being

given

> the whole picture - which has been the crux of my argument all

along.

>

> If you took my giving examples as treating you like an idiot -

well,

> that's your perception not mine. If I really thought you were an

> idiot, I doubt if I would have answered your post. It would have

been

> a waste of time, and I try not to do that. However, it was not my

> intention to offend, speak to you like a child, or put you down in

> any way. Had I wanted to do so, my choice of words would have been

different.

>

> Lynn

>

>

> >I am not disagreeing with what a condom does, and the subject that

> >is being discussed is HPV (genetal warts) and herpes has nothing

to

> >do with it at all. As you say, it can be contracted if it is

active

> >or inactive and can also be caught through oral sex if one of the

> >partners has a cold sore on the mouth.

> >

> >I am a qualified pharmacist and I really dont need a lesson in

safe

> >sex indeed, I object to you talking to me as if I haven't a clue

> >about sex, I am married and am well aware of all STD's, the cures

> >and how they are contracted, as I spent enough time in university

> >learning such things, and I really dont appreciate being spoken to

> >like an idiot.

> >

> >The subject of the discussion was HPV and that is what I was

> >referring to, but if you wish to discuss facts and figures I could

> >probably give you more facts and figures than you could read

without

> >falling asleep, so I suggest if you want to discuss other STD's it

> >is done under a different topic, and not HPV causing cancer and

the

> >effacacy of the vaccine.

> >

> >--- In

> ><%

40> ,

> >Lynn Ward <lynnward@>

> >wrote:

> > >

> > > At 09:17 AM 3/22/2008, you wrote:

> > >

> > > Rhiannon,

> > >

> > > Of course it can help. Especially if something is conveyed

through

> > > fluids....What I was alluding to without getting graphic, is,

> > > well...I don't know how you have sex, but whenever I've had it,

> >the

> > > skin around the gentiles touch each other. Rub against each

other.

> > > Beyond that which happens when there is penetration. How do you

> >think

> > > one of the ways genital Herpes is passed on? You don't even

have

> >to

> > > have penetration for that to happen, depending on where the

> >person's

> > > sore is. In fact, there is a lot of evidence that the herpes

> >doesn't

> > > even have to be active for one to pass it on. Scabies is

another.

> > > While not technically an STD, it's grouped with them due to the

> > > method of transmission. Chlamydia. Crabs....there are a number

of

> > > things grouped under the classification of STD that are not

> > > necessarily conveyed through the act of sexual intercourse.

> >Bacterial

> > > Vaginosis (BV) is another - it's not strictly an STD as it is

not

> > > transmitted via sexual intercourse. However, it can be

exacerbated

> >by

> > > sex and is more frequently found in sexually active women than

> >those

> > > who have never had intercourse. Genital warts are caused by

some

> > > sub-types of Human Papillomavirus (HPV). They can appear on the

> >skin

> > > anywhere in the genital area. Some STDs can be transmitted

without

> > > having intercourse; they can be passed through skin-to-skin

> >contact

> > > in the genital area. (Apparently, STI - Sexually Transmitted

> > > Infection - is now the preferred term from what I've been

> >reading..)

> > >

> > > My point was - and is - that to say sex is safe simply because

one

> > > wears a condom is foolish and dangerous. I felt the numbers of

> >girls

> > > who ostensibly have a STD were awfully high. 1 out of 4. But,

lets

> > > say it's only 1 out of 10. 1 out of 20. That's still and awful

lot

> >of

> > > girls who have something because they were fooling around.

And, to

> > > tell people they will be safe from STDs because they wear a

> >condom,

> > > is misleading - at the very least. If people, especially

> >teenagers,

> > > are aware that using a condom does not protect them from a

number

> >of

> > > STDs, perhaps they will be more careful. Have sex with fewer

> >people.

> > > Or, go to the doctor and get themselves checked more often.

More

> > > closely check their intended partner. Whatever..........but,

many

> >are

> > > laboring under the false notion that using a condom (if they

even

> >do

> > > that) will protect them from getting a SDT. And, they clearly

do

> >not

> > > protect one from everything that is out there.

> > >

> > > I in no way am saying people shouldn't use condoms. Of course

they

> > > should. Don't know if you read it yet, but I sent something to

the

> > > group that spoke about the rise, and large numbers of over 50

> >people

> > > who have become either HIV positive or who have gotten Aids.

> >Because,

> > > people that age, my age, don't think about getting pregnant

(post

> > > menopause) and don't usually even consider that someone in

their

> >age

> > > group might have a disease. It's becoming a fatale error in

> >judgement

> > > for a number of folks over 50.

> > >

> > > Lynn

> > >

> > >

> > > >Well thats me told. No matter what you say though, a condom

is the

> > > >closest thing you can get to prevent STD's other than not

having

> > > >penetrative sex at all.

> > > >

> > > >I was never a fan of condoms, indeed in my single days, I was

> > > >constantly suffering from thrush caused by the lubricant

used, but

> > > >at the end of the day, I would rather have a dose of easily

> >treated

> > > >thrush than something worse.

> > > >

> > > >I think you will find that it is possible to buy different

sizes

> >and

> > > >styles of condoms, and as for the uncovered skin, well, call

me

> > > >stupid, but I cant think of any area left uncovered by the

right

> > > >sized condom that will cause any STD. Please inform me if I

am on

> > > >the wrong track here and since my marriage there is something

> >people

> > > >do these days that I have never heard of.

> > > >

> > > >At the end of the day, its down to the individual what they

do,

> >but

> > > >personally I would rather a prevention than a cure, but the

> >subject

> > > >seems to have changed somewhat, its not a case of whether or

not

> >you

> > > >like to use condoms, but the fact that HPV can cause cancer or

> >not,

> > > >and I still maintain that it does and in the event of there

not

> > > >being anything else available, if there is a chance of

catching

> >HPV

> > > >then using a condom is a bit of a no brainer!!!

> > > >

> > > >Rhiannon

> > > >

> > > >--- In

> > > ><%

> >40><%

40> ,

> >

> > > >Kenn Johnsen <kennj@>

> > > >wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Ha.......ha.....ho......ho...

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Den 21/03/2008 kl. 18.43 skrev Lynn Ward:

> > > > >

> > > > > > At 01:14 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Show off!!! No, really...it's not like sticking the end

of a

> > > >broom

> > > > > > into a mouse hole - skin touches skin...lots of uncovered

> >skin.

> > > >I

> > > > > > figure there's not need for me to get graphic, as I don't

> >want

> > > >to

> > > > > > offend anyone. But, I will if you want.....But, think

about

> >it

> > > > > > logically..

> > > > >

>

[Guest guest]

At 01:05 PM 3/25/2008, you wrote:

No problem....I honestly didn't mean to offend, but know that sometimes

the way I write things might....I agree with you totally - even though

the kids are being told condoms work (on a certain level anyway), many

refuse to use them. Which, I guess, is why a lot of older folks are

getting Aids and the like - one really doesn't think that the one you

want to have sex with might have something - old or young. (I remember

someone saying every time you have sex with someone, you're also doing it

everyone they've ever had sex with. Makes an odd sort of sense) I

used to know a couple of girls, who, when they decided to have sex with

someone, would have them both go and be tested for HIV and AIDS. Kinda

takes the romance out of it, but not a bad idea on the whole. Dunno,

maybe people ought to consider going back to the way some used to do it -

they remained fully clothed, but there was a hole in the women's

nightgown.....*grin*

Lynn

 

Sorry if I came across as a bit

sharp, lets say I was having a bad

day!!!!

I guess the long and the short of the matter is that in the event of

 

nothing else being available, condoms are the only way of trying to

prevent HPV other than celebacy. At least the use of a condom

reduces the risk of contracting this and other infections quite

considerably, and having been on the wrong end of the laser to rid

myself of the HPV virus, I would suggest that anyone with an ounce

of sense would use them. Lets face it, the Family Planning Clinics,

GUM Clinics, and Drug Agencies give them away by the bucket full so

there is really no excuse not to at least give them a try.

I really cant see that people are going to not have sex no matter

what infections there are going around, this is proved by the fact

that HIV/Aids is spreading through the hetrosexual community faster

than the Gay community and until some genius comes up with an

alternative, I really cant see that changing no matter what peoples

preferences are, the saying that using a condom is like having a

bath while fully clothed is still a very common thought, so lets

hope that the younger generation (and in a lot of cases, us older

generation) either wise up, or a miracle cure all comes on the

market or I cant honestly see the situation changing.