Very High Cholesterol May Not Be As Previously Thought

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Very High Cholesterol May Not Be As Previously Thought

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Even though familial hypercholesterolemia--a genetic condition that causes very high cholesterol levels--has been linked to the early onset of heart disease, the risk of early death may vary significantly among people with the disorder.

Moreover, researchers speculate, the findings suggest that other factors such as diet and exercise help determine the overall death risk of people with the genetic condition. In a study of an extended family affected by familial hypercholesterolemia, investigators found that, over two centuries, about 40% of family members lived normal life spans.

During the 1800s, members of the family tended to live longer than average for the time, but the rate of early death began to rise in 1915, reaching a peak in the 1950s, according to the authors. Since then, the life expectancy of the family members has been increasing.

But the investigators found that death rates varied considerably from branch to branch of the family tree. During the decades when the family as a whole had shorter-than-average life spans, some branches of the family had normal life spans and others had extremely high rates of premature death.

The wide variations in risk suggest that environmental factors, such as diet, smoking and physical activity may interact with genetics to affect the risk of cardiovascular disease and early death.

It is possible that high levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol might have protected 19th century family members from infections common at the time, while the lack of other heart disease risk factors, such as widespread cigarette smoking or fatty diets, might have reduced their risk of death.

Since death rates varied from branch to branch of the family tree, other genetic factors might have affected the risk as well. Variations in social class and in where different branches lived may also have had an effect.

Whatever the reasons for the variations, the study shows that even though genes are important in determining life expectancy, environmental factors also play a major role.

British Medical Journal April 28, 2001;322:1019-1023

DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT: About one in 500 people have a genetic defect in which they have elevated cholesterol levels of 350 or even higher. This level seems to be resistant to every type of dietary modification. Yes, even the no grain, no sugar approach. I have only treated about 5 or 6 of these individuals. They are very uncommon. Which means that about 99% or more of the people that are currently on drugs to lower their cholesterol do not need it, as they will respond very well to the no grain no sugar approach.

This approach will usually work in several weeks for most people, especially if they apply a good exercise program.

Eating eggs will NOT raise one's cholesterol.

This is an important study in that it shows that just because one's cholesterol is elevated, even as high as 350, it does NOT mean that one will die of heart disease.

How can this be?

My take on it is that not all cholesterol is bad. Now, I am not just talking about HDL and LDL, but the key factor here is OXIDIZED cholesterol. It is my understanding that the lining of the blood vessels have no receptors for normal cholesterol, only oxidized cholesterol.

What is oxidized cholesterol? That is cholesterol that has been damaged by oxygen. This usually occurs under stress conditions in which one's internal antioxidant mechanisms are compromised.

So, if one follows an optimal food choice program, then the levels of oxidized cholesterol will be lower, even if the total cholesterol is in very high ranges.

Stress also can play a huge role in cholesterol oxidation, as can lack of sleep and too little or too much exercise.

So the issue of whether or not to treat cholesterol is much more complex than it appears to be. It is certainly not as simple as putting everyone with an elevated cholesterol on medication.

I believe this is a major piece of research in that it fully emphasized the critical nature of lifestyle and NOT genetics on the influence of chronic disease (in this case heart disease, the number one killer in the US).

That is why it is important to check for other risk factors like homocysteine, ferritin, and Lp(a) (see below). It is interesting to note though that the researchers and journal editors conclude that since they can not identify which factors are responsible, they advise ALL of these individuals be treated with cholesterol-lowering drugs. Related Articles: Five Blood Risk Factors For Coronary Heart Disease Lipoprotein(a) Increases Heart Disease Risk Recent Literature Support For LP(a) Importance and Reduction How To Reduce Your LP(a) and Decrease Your Risk of Heart Disease If you find this newsletter interesting and valuable, help support it by recommending it to some friends by using this button. Return to Table of Contents #217

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Cholesterol, hmmmm.

One day the numbers are good the next day (same numbers) they are bad. Just like one day eggs were bad for you and then they are good for you. FDA changes what they want to suit the powers that be all in the name of finance. My cholesterol is higher then it should be by their standards but taking the medication they want me to take gives me the world of side effects that I would rather not have. I live with the high cholesterol numbers, I eat a little better and get in some exercise, and I do okay. Numbers are just numbers, what kills people is all the experimenting with new medications for cholesterol. So many new meds are on the market now a days. Bah! If they are giving away free samples of anything (all you pay is shipping and handling) all I can say is that you are part of the study group. Anyone remember a mail order only product called Longitude, from years ago? I worked with some guys that tried it and I could tell you stories.

I could go on and on and on but I will stop now.

Kenneth T

 

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1 @ ; 1 MedicalConspiracies@googlegrou

Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:51 PM

Very High Cholesterol May Not Be As Previously Thought

 

 

Very High Cholesterol May Not Be As Previously Thought

www.mercola.com

Even though familial hypercholesterolemia--a genetic condition that causes very high cholesterol levels--has been linked to the early onset of heart disease, the risk of early death may vary significantly among people with the disorder.

Moreover, researchers speculate, the findings suggest that other factors such as diet and exercise help determine the overall death risk of people with the genetic condition. In a study of an extended family affected by familial hypercholesterolemia, investigators found that, over two centuries, about 40% of family members lived normal life spans.

During the 1800s, members of the family tended to live longer than average for the time, but the rate of early death began to rise in 1915, reaching a peak in the 1950s, according to the authors. Since then, the life expectancy of the family members has been increasing.

But the investigators found that death rates varied considerably from branch to branch of the family tree. During the decades when the family as a whole had shorter-than-average life spans, some branches of the family had normal life spans and others had extremely high rates of premature death.

The wide variations in risk suggest that environmental factors, such as diet, smoking and physical activity may interact with genetics to affect the risk of cardiovascular disease and early death.

It is possible that high levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol might have protected 19th century family members from infections common at the time, while the lack of other heart disease risk factors, such as widespread cigarette smoking or fatty diets, might have reduced their risk of death.

Since death rates varied from branch to branch of the family tree, other genetic factors might have affected the risk as well. Variations in social class and in where different branches lived may also have had an effect.

Whatever the reasons for the variations, the study shows that even though genes are important in determining life expectancy, environmental factors also play a major role.

British Medical Journal April 28, 2001;322:1019-1023

DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT: About one in 500 people have a genetic defect in which they have elevated cholesterol levels of 350 or even higher. This level seems to be resistant to every type of dietary modification. Yes, even the no grain, no sugar approach. I have only treated about 5 or 6 of these individuals. They are very uncommon. Which means that about 99% or more of the people that are currently on drugs to lower their cholesterol do not need it, as they will respond very well to the no grain no sugar approach.

This approach will usually work in several weeks for most people, especially if they apply a good exercise program.

Eating eggs will NOT raise one's cholesterol.

This is an important study in that it shows that just because one's cholesterol is elevated, even as high as 350, it does NOT mean that one will die of heart disease.

How can this be?

My take on it is that not all cholesterol is bad. Now, I am not just talking about HDL and LDL, but the key factor here is OXIDIZED cholesterol. It is my understanding that the lining of the blood vessels have no receptors for normal cholesterol, only oxidized cholesterol.

What is oxidized cholesterol? That is cholesterol that has been damaged by oxygen. This usually occurs under stress conditions in which one's internal antioxidant mechanisms are compromised.

So, if one follows an optimal food choice program, then the levels of oxidized cholesterol will be lower, even if the total cholesterol is in very high ranges.

Stress also can play a huge role in cholesterol oxidation, as can lack of sleep and too little or too much exercise.

So the issue of whether or not to treat cholesterol is much more complex than it appears to be. It is certainly not as simple as putting everyone with an elevated cholesterol on medication.

I believe this is a major piece of research in that it fully emphasized the critical nature of lifestyle and NOT genetics on the influence of chronic disease (in this case heart disease, the number one killer in the US).

That is why it is important to check for other risk factors like homocysteine, ferritin, and Lp(a) (see below). It is interesting to note though that the researchers and journal editors conclude that since they can not identify which factors are responsible, they advise ALL of these individuals be treated with cholesterol-lowering drugs. Related Articles: Five Blood Risk Factors For Coronary Heart Disease Lipoprotein(a) Increases Heart Disease Risk Recent Literature Support For LP(a) Importance and Reduction How To Reduce Your LP(a) and Decrease Your Risk of Heart Disease If you find this newsletter interesting and valuable, help support it by recommending it to some friends by using this button. Return to Table of Contents #217

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Hi, Ken. I agree with your opinion. In 1991 my cholestrol was 880 and triglycerides 2580. I took Mevacor 20mg twice a day for 5 months which cost $160 a month. When I stopped the medication my cholestrol was 141 and triglycerides 144. I've never taken another statin drug since then. When my doctor says 220 is too high I tell him about the studies in lancet and NEJM that indicate that cholestrol below 200 increases the risk of stroke by 1200% and the risk of Parkinson's by 600%. Then I tell him I WILL NOT take statin drugs or any other brilliant possibilities, that I'm the doctor and he's the advisor. I tell him it's my money, my body, and my life and I make the decisions not him. I don't have any doctor

friends.

Hugh

Kenneth <plisca Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:35:27 PMRe: Very High Cholesterol May Not Be As Previously Thought

 

 

Cholesterol, hmmmm.

One day the numbers are good the next day (same numbers) they are bad. Just like one day eggs were bad for you and then they are good for you. FDA changes what they want to suit the powers that be all in the name of finance. My cholesterol is higher then it should be by their standards but taking the medication they want me to take gives me the world of side effects that I would rather not have. I live with the high cholesterol numbers, I eat a little better and get in some exercise, and I do okay. Numbers are just numbers, what kills people is all the experimenting with new medications for cholesterol. So many new meds are on the market now a days. Bah! If they are giving away free samples of anything (all you pay is shipping and handling) all I can say is that you are part of the study group. Anyone remember a mail order only product called Longitude, from years ago? I worked with some guys that tried it and I

could tell you stories.

I could go on and on and on but I will stop now.

Kenneth T

 

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NWRaven

1 @ ; 1 MedicalConspiracies @googlegrou

Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:51 PM

[Health_and_ Healing] Very High Cholesterol May Not Be As Previously Thought

 

 

Very High Cholesterol May Not Be As Previously Thought

www.mercola. com

Even though familial hypercholesterolemi a--a genetic condition that causes very high cholesterol levels--has been linked to the early onset of heart disease, the risk of early death may vary significantly among people with the disorder.

Moreover, researchers speculate, the findings suggest that other factors such as diet and exercise help determine the overall death risk of people with the genetic condition. In a study of an extended family affected by familial hypercholesterolemi a, investigators found that, over two centuries, about 40% of family members lived normal life spans.

During the 1800s, members of the family tended to live longer than average for the time, but the rate of early death began to rise in 1915, reaching a peak in the 1950s, according to the authors. Since then, the life expectancy of the family members has been increasing.

But the investigators found that death rates varied considerably from branch to branch of the family tree. During the decades when the family as a whole had shorter-than- average life spans, some branches of the family had normal life spans and others had extremely high rates of premature death.

The wide variations in risk suggest that environmental factors, such as diet, smoking and physical activity may interact with genetics to affect the risk of cardiovascular disease and early death.

It is possible that high levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol might have protected 19th century family members from infections common at the time, while the lack of other heart disease risk factors, such as widespread cigarette smoking or fatty diets, might have reduced their risk of death.

Since death rates varied from branch to branch of the family tree, other genetic factors might have affected the risk as well. Variations in social class and in where different branches lived may also have had an effect.

Whatever the reasons for the variations, the study shows that even though genes are important in determining life expectancy, environmental factors also play a major role.

British Medical Journal April 28, 2001;322:1019- 1023

DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT: About one in 500 people have a genetic defect in which they have elevated cholesterol levels of 350 or even higher. This level seems to be resistant to every type of dietary modification. Yes, even the no grain, no sugar approach. I have only treated about 5 or 6 of these individuals. They are very uncommon. Which means that about 99% or more of the people that are currently on drugs to lower their cholesterol do not need it, as they will respond very well to the no grain no sugar approach.

This approach will usually work in several weeks for most people, especially if they apply a good exercise program.

Eating eggs will NOT raise one's cholesterol.

This is an important study in that it shows that just because one's cholesterol is elevated, even as high as 350, it does NOT mean that one will die of heart disease.

How can this be?

My take on it is that not all cholesterol is bad. Now, I am not just talking about HDL and LDL, but the key factor here is OXIDIZED cholesterol. It is my understanding that the lining of the blood vessels have no receptors for normal cholesterol, only oxidized cholesterol.

What is oxidized cholesterol? That is cholesterol that has been damaged by oxygen. This usually occurs under stress conditions in which one's internal antioxidant mechanisms are compromised.

So, if one follows an optimal food choice program, then the levels of oxidized cholesterol will be lower, even if the total cholesterol is in very high ranges.

Stress also can play a huge role in cholesterol oxidation, as can lack of sleep and too little or too much exercise.

So the issue of whether or not to treat cholesterol is much more complex than it appears to be. It is certainly not as simple as putting everyone with an elevated cholesterol on medication.

I believe this is a major piece of research in that it fully emphasized the critical nature of lifestyle and NOT genetics on the influence of chronic disease (in this case heart disease, the number one killer in the US).

That is why it is important to check for other risk factors like homocysteine, ferritin, and Lp(a) (see below). It is interesting to note though that the researchers and journal editors conclude that since they can not identify which factors are responsible, they advise ALL of these individuals be treated with cholesterol- lowering drugs. Related Articles: Five Blood Risk Factors For Coronary Heart Disease Lipoprotein( a) Increases Heart Disease Risk Recent Literature Support For LP(a) Importance and Reduction How To Reduce Your LP(a) and Decrease Your Risk of Heart Disease If you find this newsletter interesting and valuable, help support it by recommending it to some friends by using this button. Return to Table of Contents #217

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Added to the increased risks of stroke and Parkinson's, taking the

cholesterol lowering drugs (statins) have other side effects not

to be sneezed at. A friend of mine, only 62, was experiencing pains

in his legs which increased to the extent that he is now in a wheel

chair. Pheriperal neuropathy as a result of the statin taking even

though his doctor says it has nothing to do with the statins.

This doc came up with a name of a disease mostly seen

amongst Afro-Americans, Asian people and sexually promiscuous

people.. he doesn't fit any of the categories.

The neuropathy as a result of the statins is irreversible. Oh, and he

still has 'too high' cholesterol.. that's what you get when they

lower the limits of acceptable cholesterol. Interesting book with a

description of how they invent diseases : Selling Sickness.

 

People who would like discussions or relate their own

stories/experiences about the dangers of Big Pharma drugs,

http://www.dangerousmedicine.com/ offers that opportunity.

 

Hanneke ~ Australia

 

At 04:27 PM 23/01/2008, you wrote:

>Hi, Ken. I agree with your opinion. In 1991 my cholestrol was 880

>and triglycerides 2580. I took Mevacor 20mg twice a day for 5 months

>which cost $160 a month. When I stopped the medication my cholestrol

>was 141 and triglycerides 144. I've never taken another statin drug

>since then. When my doctor says 220 is too high I tell him about the

>studies in lancet and NEJM that indicate that cholestrol below 200

>increases the risk of stroke by 1200% and the risk of Parkinson's by

>600%. Then I tell him I WILL NOT take statin drugs or any other

>brilliant possibilities, that I'm the doctor and he's the advisor. I

>tell him it's my money, my body, and my life and I make the

>decisions not him. I don't have any doctor friends.

>Hugh

[Guest guest]

I forgot to mention that with the peripheral

neuropathy also comes the atrophy of the muscles

which makes the damage irreversible.

 

H.

 

 

 

>Added to the increased risks of stroke and Parkinson's, taking the

>cholesterol lowering drugs (statins) have other side effects not

>to be sneezed at. A friend of mine, only 62, was experiencing pains

>in his legs which increased to the extent that he is now in a wheel

>chair. Pheriperal neuropathy as a result of the statin taking even

>though his doctor says it has nothing to do with the statins.

>This doc came up with a name of a disease mostly seen

>amongst Afro-Americans, Asian people and sexually promiscuous

>people.. he doesn't fit any of the categories.

>The neuropathy as a result of the statins is irreversible. Oh, and he

>still has 'too high' cholesterol.. that's what you get when they

>lower the limits of acceptable cholesterol. Interesting book with a

>description of how they invent diseases : Selling Sickness.

>People who would like discussions or relate their own

>stories/experiences about the dangers of Big Pharma drugs,

>http://www.dangerousmedicine.com/ offers that opportunity.

>

>Hanneke ~ Australia

>

>At 04:27 PM 23/01/2008, you wrote:

> >Hi, Ken. I agree with your opinion. In 1991 my cholestrol was 880

> >and triglycerides 2580. I took Mevacor 20mg twice a day for 5 months

> >which cost $160 a month. When I stopped the medication my cholestrol

> >was 141 and triglycerides 144. I've never taken another statin drug

> >since then. When my doctor says 220 is too high I tell him about the

> >studies in lancet and NEJM that indicate that cholestrol below 200

> >increases the risk of stroke by 1200% and the risk of Parkinson's by

> >600%. Then I tell him I WILL NOT take statin drugs or any other

> >brilliant possibilities, that I'm the doctor and he's the advisor. I

> >tell him it's my money, my body, and my life and I make the

> >decisions not him. I don't have any doctor friends.

> >Hugh

>

>

>

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>on any course of treatment, especially for

>serious or life-threatening illnesses.

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Hi,

Can anyone please send us a link of the study that shows that low

cholesterol is a risk for stroke and Parkinsons. It gets so confusing

all this flip flop about high cholesterol being risky for stroke.

Thanks

Josephine

 

, Hanneke <blosshan wrote:

>

> Added to the increased risks of stroke and Parkinson's, taking the

> cholesterol lowering drugs (statins) have other side effects not

> to be sneezed at.

[Guest guest]

Google is such a wonderful feature :-)

 

http://strokedoc.typepad.com/stroke_doc/2006/04/low_cholesterol.html

http://www.ctds.info/low_cholesterol.html

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/333/7559/148-b

http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowFulltext & ProduktNr=\

224263 & Ausgabe=226229 & ArtikelNr=26210

http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/low_cholesterol.htm

 

and many more if you type in the keywords in search engine

 

Hanneke

 

At 06:32 PM 23/01/2008, you wrote:

>Hi,

>Can anyone please send us a link of the study that shows that low

>cholesterol is a risk for stroke and Parkinsons. It gets so confusing

>all this flip flop about high cholesterol being risky for stroke.

>Thanks

>Josephine

> , Hanneke <blosshan wrote:

> >

> > Added to the increased risks of stroke and Parkinson's, taking the

> > cholesterol lowering drugs (statins) have other side effects not

> > to be sneezed at.

>

>

>

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>

>Any information here in is for educational

>purpose only; it may be news related, purely

>speculation or SOMEONE’S OPINION. Always consult

>with a qualified Medical Doctor before deciding

>on any course of treatment, especially for

>serious or life-threatening illnesses.

>

>By becoming a member of this group you AGREE to

>hold this group its members, list owners,

>moderators and affiliates harmless of any

>liability for any direct, consequential, incidental, damage incurred.

>

>YOU AGREE; to accept responsibility and

>liability for your own actions and to contact a

>licensed Medical Doctor before deciding on any

>course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses.

>

>IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; you must :

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks very much. I did type in a whole line of key words but only got

Mercola and sometimes he flip flops on this issue so I don't really

trust him. Thanks again.Josephine

 

, Hanneke <blosshan wrote:

>

> Google is such a wonderful feature :-)

>

> http://strokedoc.typepad.com/stroke_doc/2006/04/low_cholesterol.html

> http://www.ctds.info/low_cholesterol.html

> http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/333/7559/148-b

>

http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowFulltext & ProduktNr=\

224263 & Ausgabe=226229 & ArtikelNr=26210

> http://www.mercola.com/1999/archive/low_cholesterol.htm

>

> and many more if you type in the keywords in search engine

>

> Hanneke

>

[Guest guest]

Hanneke and friends.... suggest you read/look/learn from here about what

maybe reversable after the DAMAGING EFFECTS of takings Statins and other

cholesterol lowering medas.... tiz a useful site

Stopped Our Statins

Side Effects, Resources, General Info

http://www.freewebs.com/stopped_our_statins/index.

[Guest guest]

you could seek help from Fran over on stopped our statins

website............ she is pretty cluee and knows where to find articles

usually.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the link Clare. The link gets me to a

page where it says that page doesn't exist. Is

there another way perhaps to get to this website?

My research at the time showed reversal possible

of some symptoms but atrophied muscles wasn't one of them.

 

Hanneke

 

At 07:59 PM 23/01/2008, you wrote:

>Hanneke and friends.... suggest you read/look/learn from here about what

>maybe reversable after the DAMAGING EFFECTS of takings Statins and other

>cholesterol lowering medas.... tiz a useful site

>Stopped Our Statins

>Side Effects, Resources, General Info

>http://www.freewebs.com/stopped_our_statins/index.

>

>

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>

>Any information here in is for educational

>purpose only; it may be news related, purely

>speculation or SOMEONE’S OPINION. Always consult

>with a qualified Medical Doctor before deciding

>on any course of treatment, especially for

>serious or life-threatening illnesses.

>

>By becoming a member of this group you AGREE to

>hold this group its members, list owners,

>moderators and affiliates harmless of any

>liability for any direct, consequential, incidental, damage incurred.

>

>YOU AGREE; to accept responsibility and

>liability for your own actions and to contact a

>licensed Medical Doctor before deciding on any

>course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses.

>

>IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; you must :

>

[Guest guest]

http://www.freewebs.com/stopped_our_statins/

Take the word index off and it will show up for you, then make your search,

Sandra nz

 

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" Hanneke " <blosshan

 

Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:00 PM

Re: Very High Cholesterol May Not Be As

Previously Thought

 

 

Thanks for the link Clare. The link gets me to a

page where it says that page doesn't exist. Is

there another way perhaps to get to this website?

My research at the time showed reversal possible

of some symptoms but atrophied muscles wasn't one of them.

 

Hanneke

 

At 07:59 PM 23/01/2008, you wrote:

>Hanneke and friends.... suggest you read/look/learn from here about what

>maybe reversable after the DAMAGING EFFECTS of takings Statins and other

>cholesterol lowering medas.... tiz a useful site

>Stopped Our Statins

>Side Effects, Resources, General Info

>http://www.freewebs.com/stopped_our_statins/index.

>

>

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>

>Any information here in is for educational

>purpose only; it may be news related, purely

>speculation or SOMEONE'S OPINION. Always consult

>with a qualified Medical Doctor before deciding

>on any course of treatment, especially for

>serious or life-threatening illnesses.

>

>By becoming a member of this group you AGREE to

>hold this group its members, list owners,

>moderators and affiliates harmless of any

>liability for any direct, consequential, incidental, damage incurred.

>

>YOU AGREE; to accept responsibility and

>liability for your own actions and to contact a

>licensed Medical Doctor before deciding on any

>course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses.

>

>IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; you must :

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sandra

 

At 08:41 PM 23/01/2008, you wrote:

>http://www.freewebs.com/stopped_our_statins/

>Take the word index off and it will show up for you, then make your search,

>Sandra nz

>-

> " Hanneke " <blosshan

>

>Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:00 PM

>Re: Very High Cholesterol May Not Be As

>Previously Thought

>

>

>Thanks for the link Clare. The link gets me to a

>page where it says that page doesn't exist. Is

>there another way perhaps to get to this website?

>My research at the time showed reversal possible

>of some symptoms but atrophied muscles wasn't one of them.

>

>Hanneke

>

>At 07:59 PM 23/01/2008, you wrote:

> >Hanneke and friends.... suggest you read/look/learn from here about what

> >maybe reversable after the DAMAGING EFFECTS of takings Statins and other

> >cholesterol lowering medas.... tiz a useful site

> >Stopped Our Statins

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sorry Hanneke

try this it works for myself

 

http://www.freewebs.com/stopped_our_statins/

 

the site owner FRAN is a friend of mine, is very knowledgable and helpful

 

GO LEARN and feel free to ask questions where appropriate.... we are all in

the ugliness together and all want OUT OF IT safely too

 

Cheer's from Clare in Tassie