Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 This is an edited post I placed in some other groups. The Q-tip method and electrode placement instructions are listed at the bottom of this post. Paul Re: Sinus Drainage Methods I used a Beck blood electrifier(BE-thumper) with adjustable frequency control the first time I discovered the area I mentioned applying the q-tips to(Original Post Below). I do not use the BE in the intended manner and I built my own. I use 12 gauge silver wire electrodes with wetted cotton flannel sleeves. I used both 4hz and about 60hz (preferred-frequency where the optic nerve/eye quits flashing) and started with the lowest current setting working my way up to a tingling sensation. Apply the electrodes to the same area as the q- tips but instead of moving them around vigorously, find a sensitive area and leave them for 15-20 seconds before moving them again. Repeat this interval and/or move slowly around in the mentioned area. It may take up to 4-5 minutes to start a violent sneezing attack coupled with the drainage. Be prepared, I voided what tasted like a virus and it actually gave me slight cold/flu symptoms while performing this procedure. Keep on slowly stimulating the area until you quit sneezing. I had a violent sneezing attack that lasted about 4 minutes before it quit. The first time I probably voided about a 1/5 cup of salty virus tasting mucus and I got instant relief. I found doing it several times(2-3) daily was the best approach. It took about 2 weeks for the virus taste to go away and the mucus expelled was far less than at the beginning. I didn't have sinusitis again for several years and I didn't give it time to set in before attacking it. Two cautions: 1)The drainage may be contagious, so be careful(CS,GSE,H2O2);2)On a few occasions a small amount of blood would come out with the mucus but I never had a running nose bleed and I never worried about it. Clean every thing you sneeze/sling mucus on. You will probably get your shirt wet with mucus. Be careful! Don't spread infection!!! I have posted my favorite electronic method(BK) along with the Beck method on the ... group under the subject, " Sinus Drainage Methods " . This works much better, much faster, you don't need to use it as often or as long to get the job done, and you can't feel anything. I use a BK 4011A Function Generator(standard electronic test instrument) with the same electrodes and placement used with the Beck. The settings are: 315Khz and 320Khz(start with one frequency for 5 minutes then go to the other for same - be patient, sometimes you think it's not going to work and it takes you by suprise), -20db attenuation(down 20db output-very important), full positive DC offset, square wave, and full output level(but down 20db; if you don't do this the output is very uncomfortable). This is probably more than you wanted to know. The BK can be ordered from electronics parts houses and probably costs about $350.00. You can get a Beck schematic off of the internet to build your own. Most parts can be bought at Radio Shack. You can also find new and complete Beck units($50.00-$100.00) on the internet. I made my own electrodes with 12 gauge silver wire and they are about 1.25 inches long. Use cotton cloth covers for the electrodes. I wet the electrodes with colloidal silver or distilled water. You can find silver wire on the internet. Good Luck, Paul >Heather wrote: > > Paul, > > Thanks for the info. What is the electronic method you mentioned? > > Thanks - Heather > > rpautrey2 <rpautrey2@> > To: > Sent: > Re: New Member Intro. - Sinusitis/MCS (Sinus Drainage Methods) > Diana, I made a mistake. I have posted these sinus drainage methods > in several groups but this is not one of them. For quick sinus relief > try the following: Slide your finger down the ridge of your nose > until you come to the junction where bone becomes cartilage. Directly > under your finger at this junction, on the ceiling of each nostril > are two very sensitive areas about 3/4 " in diameter. Take two wet q- > tips and insert one into each nostril. Massage the sensitive areas > simultaneously, and vigorously but gently. Within a few minutes you > will experience a violent sneezing attack followed by sinus cavity > drainage. Continue to massage until you get relief. Do this > frequently. I cured my sinusitis using a similar method (electronic). > It's a good idea to gargle and rinse your nasal passages with an > alternative antibiotic like cs or gse to prevent the introduction of > drained infection into your throat, lungs, etc. Also clean anything > you sneezed on. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 This is an edited post I placed in some other groups. The Q-tip method and electrode placement instructions are listed at the bottom of this post. Paul Re: Sinus Drainage Methods I used a Beck blood electrifier(BE-thumper) with adjustable frequency control the first time I discovered the area I mentioned applying the q-tips to(Original Post Below). I do not use the BE in the intended manner and I built my own. I use 12 gauge silver wire electrodes with wetted cotton flannel sleeves. I used both 4hz and about 60hz (preferred-frequency where the optic nerve/eye quits flashing) and started with the lowest current setting working my way up to a tingling sensation. Apply the electrodes to the same area as the q- tips but instead of moving them around vigorously, find a sensitive area and leave them for 15-20 seconds before moving them again. Repeat this interval and/or move slowly around in the mentioned area. It may take up to 4-5 minutes to start a violent sneezing attack coupled with the drainage. Be prepared, I voided what tasted like a virus and it actually gave me slight cold/flu symptoms while performing this procedure. Keep on slowly stimulating the area until you quit sneezing. I had a violent sneezing attack that lasted about 4 minutes before it quit. The first time I probably voided about a 1/5 cup of salty virus tasting mucus and I got instant relief. I found doing it several times(2-3) daily was the best approach. It took about 2 weeks for the virus taste to go away and the mucus expelled was far less than at the beginning. I didn't have sinusitis again for several years and I didn't give it time to set in before attacking it. Two cautions: 1)The drainage may be contagious, so be careful(CS,GSE,H2O2);2)On a few occasions a small amount of blood would come out with the mucus but I never had a running nose bleed and I never worried about it. Clean every thing you sneeze/sling mucus on. You will probably get your shirt wet with mucus. Be careful! Don't spread infection!!! I have posted my favorite electronic method(BK) along with the Beck method on the ... group under the subject, " Sinus Drainage Methods " . This works much better, much faster, you don't need to use it as often or as long to get the job done, and you can't feel anything. I use a BK 4011A Function Generator(standard electronic test instrument) with the same electrodes and placement used with the Beck. The settings are: 315Khz and 320Khz(start with one frequency for 5 minutes then go to the other for same - be patient, sometimes you think it's not going to work and it takes you by suprise), -20db attenuation(down 20db output-very important), full positive DC offset, square wave, and full output level(but down 20db; if you don't do this the output is very uncomfortable). This is probably more than you wanted to know. The BK can be ordered from electronics parts houses and probably costs about $350.00. You can get a Beck schematic off of the internet to build your own. Most parts can be bought at Radio Shack. You can also find new and complete Beck units($50.00-$100.00) on the internet. I made my own electrodes with 12 gauge silver wire and they are about 1.25 inches long. Use cotton cloth covers for the electrodes. I wet the electrodes with colloidal silver or distilled water. You can find silver wire on the internet. Good Luck, Paul >Heather wrote: > > Paul, > > Thanks for the info. What is the electronic method you mentioned? > > Thanks - HeatherAF > > rpautrey2 <rpautrey2@> > To: > Sent: > Re: New Member Intro. - Sinusitis/MCS (Sinus Drainage Methods) > Diana, I made a mistake. I have posted these sinus drainage methods > in several groups but this is not one of them. For quick sinus relief > try the following: Slide your finger down the ridge of your nose > until you come to the junction where bone becomes cartilage. Directly > under your finger at this junction, on the ceiling of each nostril > are two very sensitive areas about 3/4 " in diameter. Take two wet q- > tips and insert one into each nostril. Massage the sensitive areas > simultaneously, and vigorously but gently. Within a few minutes you > will experience a violent sneezing attack followed by sinus cavity > drainage. Continue to massage until you get relief. Do this > frequently. I cured my sinusitis using a similar method (electronic). > It's a good idea to gargle and rinse your nasal passages with an > alternative antibiotic like cs or gse to prevent the introduction of > drained infection into your throat, lungs, etc. Also clean anything > you sneezed on. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 I use a Neti pot, to me it is a little gentler than a sneezing attack to clean out sinuses. It works really well. I have no sinus problems through the winter with the heat on or through heavy pollen season since using the Neti pot. Katu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 Has anybody tried these methods? What do you think about it??? Paul Autrey , " rpautrey2 " <rpautrey2 wrote: > > This is an edited post I placed in some other groups. The Q-tip > method and electrode placement instructions are listed at the bottom > of this post. Paul > > Re: Sinus Drainage Methods > > I used a Beck blood electrifier(BE-thumper) with adjustable frequency > control the first time I discovered the area I mentioned applying the > q-tips to(Original Post Below). I do not use the BE in the intended > manner and I built my own. I use 12 gauge silver wire electrodes with > wetted cotton flannel sleeves. I used both 4hz and about 60hz > (preferred-frequency where the optic nerve/eye quits flashing) and > started with the lowest current setting working my way up to a > tingling sensation. Apply the electrodes to the same area as the q- > tips but instead of moving them around vigorously, find a sensitive > area and leave them for 15-20 seconds before moving them again. > Repeat this interval and/or move slowly around in the mentioned area. > It may take up to 4-5 minutes to start a violent sneezing attack > coupled with the drainage. Be prepared, I voided what tasted like a > virus and it actually gave me slight cold/flu symptoms while > performing this procedure. Keep on slowly stimulating the area until > you quit sneezing. I had a violent sneezing attack that lasted about > 4 minutes before it quit. The first time I probably voided about a > 1/5 cup of salty virus tasting mucus and I got instant relief. I > found doing it several times(2-3) daily was the best approach. It > took about 2 weeks for the virus taste to go away and the mucus > expelled was far less than at the beginning. I didn't have sinusitis > again for several years and I didn't give it time to set in before > attacking it. Two cautions: 1)The drainage may be contagious, so be > careful(CS,GSE,H2O2);2)On a few occasions a small amount of blood > would come out with the mucus but I never had a running nose bleed > and I never worried about it. > > Clean every thing you sneeze/sling mucus on. You will probably get > your shirt wet with mucus. Be careful! Don't spread infection!!! > > I have posted my favorite electronic method(BK) along with the Beck > method on the ... group under the subject, " Sinus > Drainage Methods " . This works much better, much faster, you don't > need to use it as often or as long to get the job done, and you can't > feel anything. I use a BK 4011A Function Generator(standard > electronic test instrument) with the same electrodes and placement > used with the Beck. The settings are: 315Khz and 320Khz(start with > one frequency for 5 minutes then go to the other for same - be > patient, sometimes you think it's not going to work and it takes you > by suprise), -20db attenuation(down 20db output-very important), full > positive DC offset, square wave, and full output level(but down 20db; > if you don't do this the output is very uncomfortable). > > This is probably more than you wanted to know. The BK can be ordered > from electronics parts houses and probably costs about $350.00. You > can get a Beck schematic off of the internet to build your own. Most > parts can be bought at Radio Shack. You can also find new and > complete Beck units($50.00-$100.00) on the internet. I made my own > electrodes with 12 gauge silver wire and they are about 1.25 inches > long. Use cotton cloth covers for the electrodes. I wet the > electrodes with colloidal silver or distilled water. You can find > silver wire on the internet. > > Good Luck, > Paul > > > >Heather wrote: > > > > Paul, > > > > Thanks for the info. What is the electronic method you mentioned? > > > > Thanks - HeatherAF > > > > > > > rpautrey2 <rpautrey2@> > > To: > > Sent: > > Re: New Member Intro. - Sinusitis/MCS > > (Sinus Drainage Methods) > > > > Diana, I made a mistake. I have posted these sinus drainage methods > > in several groups but this is not one of them. For quick sinus > relief > > try the following: Slide your finger down the ridge of your nose > > until you come to the junction where bone becomes cartilage. > Directly > > under your finger at this junction, on the ceiling of each nostril > > are two very sensitive areas about 3/4 " in diameter. Take two wet q- > > tips and insert one into each nostril. Massage the sensitive areas > > simultaneously, and vigorously but gently. Within a few minutes you > > will experience a violent sneezing attack followed by sinus cavity > > drainage. Continue to massage until you get relief. Do this > > frequently. I cured my sinusitis using a similar method > (electronic). > > It's a good idea to gargle and rinse your nasal passages with an > > alternative antibiotic like cs or gse to prevent the introduction > of > > drained infection into your throat, lungs, etc. Also clean anything > > you sneezed on. Paul > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Thanks, Katu. Rinsing the nose with Saline Solution is so very helpful. Due to neck problems, I can't use a Neti pot anymore. My nose doc was part of the team that put together a product called Sinus Rinse. It has a bulb- like bottle applicator that one can easily squirt into each nostril w/ o any neck pain. It's available at almost all drug stores. I use his Saline Solution which is made with Kosher Salt, containing no additives or preservatives (I have his permission to share). Anyone wishing his Saline Solution recipe - which can be used with a Neti Pot or other applicators - please feel free to eMail me off- list. Or, if the Owner/Moderator feels it's appropriate, I'll be happy to share it with the List. Meg On Dec 22, 2007, at 12:53 AM, wrote: > . > Re: Sinusitis/Cold/Flu - Treatment/Cure > Posted by: " Katu " seaweeds sealevelas > Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:45 am (PST) > > I use a Neti pot, to me it is a little gentler than a sneezing > attack to clean out sinuses. > > It works really well. I have no sinus problems through the winter > with the heat on or through heavy pollen season since using the Neti > pot. > > Katu > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Please post it to the group... Thanks Misty Alternative Medicine Forum Moderator --------- , Meg <megalef wrote: > > Thanks, Katu. > > Rinsing the nose with Saline Solution is so very helpful. Due to neck > problems, I can't use a Neti pot anymore. My nose doc was part of the > team that put together a product called Sinus Rinse. It has a bulb- > like bottle applicator that one can easily squirt into each nostril w/ > o any neck pain. It's available at almost all drug stores. I use > his Saline Solution which is made with Kosher Salt, containing no > additives or preservatives (I have his permission to share). > > Anyone wishing his Saline Solution recipe - which can be used with a > Neti Pot or other applicators - please feel free to eMail me off- > list. Or, if the Owner/Moderator feels it's appropriate, I'll be > happy to share it with the List. > > Meg > > > > > > On Dec 22, 2007, at 12:53 AM, > wrote: > > . > > Re: Sinusitis/Cold/Flu - Treatment/Cure > > Posted by: " Katu " seaweeds sealevelas > > Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:45 am (PST) > > > > I use a Neti pot, to me it is a little gentler than a sneezing > > attack to clean out sinuses. > > > > It works really well. I have no sinus problems through the winter > > with the heat on or through heavy pollen season since using the Neti > > pot. > > > > Katu > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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