Guest guest Posted December 7, 2007 Report Share Posted December 7, 2007 Of course it matters when the date is, at least to some people. Suppose someone celebrated your birthday or wedding anniversary or whatever in the wrong month???? Suppose someone forces you to vaccinate because its their belief? Would you like it? If you think about it honestly, Christmas is a retail holiday posing as a religious holiday posing as a " Christian " holiday. Sure, its nice to have family come together but shouldn't that be always, not just one day. The reason alot of people get depressed during the holidays is because there is this wonderful picture painted and they are not experiencing it like this wonderful picture. Maybe they have no family or for other reasons. How often do you hear people complain about the money hey " have " to spend? Do they seem to be stressed or having fun? Is it a good thing to lie to children about Santa and fail to even instruct them on Jesus? Treat Santa like a story not a reality. How can a Christian reconcile the fact of lying to their children????? It's not a white lie, its a lie. Tell them the story of Santa if you wish, but tell them its a story, like Peter Pan. Santa has taken the place of Jesus in this celebration. God's attributes of all-knowing ability are ascribed to Santa. Is this truthful? Does it build a respect for the truth? It is OK for parents to lie but discipline their children for lying? Why not buy your children gifts and tell them they're from you. Why not do it at different times of the year? The " wise men " or astrologers were told by King Herod to go find the child and report back. When they found the child, he was about 2 yrs old living in a HOUSE, thats why the King ordered his men to kill every boy 2 yrs and under in order to kill Jesus. A close examination of verses reveal how tradition has messed up what really happened. No one wanted to worship him, they wanted him dead because the King did not want the child to grow up and take his kingdom away (which he was not there to do anyway) It comes down to power and greed. And as I stated, many CHRISTIIANS do not celebrate because of the facts presented. If you choose to do so in spite of the evidence, that's your decision and you should not show disrespect to others who choose not to. After all, is that a Christian thing to do? How do you know that Muslins or other non-Christian people care about whether or not some people celebrate it? Maybe they don't care what others do. Would you like them to disrespect you for not celebrating one of their holidays? Many wars have been fought because of religion. And if one professes to follow after the teachings of the one whose birthday they celebrate, should not that one practice the teaching of respect and compassion etc? Isn't that what we in the natural health field want? To share and have compassion for helping people with accurate information? And one more thing, how would you feel if Muslims or Buddhists or whoever wanted their holidays taught to your children in school? A Christian should know about separation of church and state. It is one of Jesus' teachings It is to ensure that religious values get taught at home, not by the school. Not everyone serves God in the same way. Remember, folks, everyone is different and every one was created with free moral will. You and I are not the deciders. Even Christians cannot agree on the same thing. Carol Hartwell, CNHP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 To this I say, AMen ---- Carol Hartwell 12/6/2007 9:10:28 AM Re: Christmas Facts I would like to add to the Christmas Facts:Jesus was not born in December at all. The Israelites were told to go to their hometown to register and they went beginning of October (our calendar). It was warm. Shepherds do not sleep out at night in December even there - it is cold just like the northern USA in December.The fact you included in your facts say that the pagen festival to the sun god was at the winter solstice and the date was chosen to "christianize" the pagens. This is true.Nowhere is the true date of the birth because the birth of Jesus was not apparently celebrated by him, his family or followers. In fact, he said to memorialize his death annually.You can figure out the date though as Oct 1 or 2. Many Christians do not celebrate this holiday because of the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 Well, what's wrong with that? health_and_healing CC: nobltn528From: nobltn528Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:45:47 +0000Fw: Re: Re: Christmas Facts I can remember when I first learned about this, since I was a brain-washed parsonage-ite! One year at work my boss let me put up a sign that read: My God is not a babe in a manger Everyone thought I was a pagan. thea Please note: forwarded message attached___________Click here for free information on earning a criminal justice degree today. --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: mom.magnattaDate: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:02:29 -0500Re: Re: Christmas Facts To this I say, AMen ---- Carol Hartwell 12/6/2007 9:10:28 AM Re: Christmas Facts I would like to add to the Christmas Facts:Jesus was not born in December at all. The Israelites were told to go to their hometown to register and they went beginning of October (our calendar). It was warm. Shepherds do not sleep out at night in December even there - it is cold just like the northern USA in December.The fact you included in your facts say that the pagen festival to the sun god was at the winter solstice and the date was chosen to "christianize" the pagens. This is true.Nowhere is the true date of the birth because the birth of Jesus was not apparently celebrated by him, his family or followers. In fact, he said to memorialize his death annually.You can figure out the date though as Oct 1 or 2. Many Christians do not celebrate this holiday because of the facts. Get closer to the jungle¡Ä I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2007 Report Share Posted December 8, 2007 IF JESUS WAS OF THE KINGLY LINE OF KING DAVID AS SCRIPTURE SAYS, THAT ALL OF THE LINE OF KINGS DESCENDED FROM DAVID WERE BORN IN THE MONTH OF MAY! JOSEPH WAS A DIRECT DESCENDENT OF KING DAVID! KRAIG Kraig Carroll Environmental Damage Repair --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Kraig help me out here with Ch and verse for this statement....... appreciate your assistance. Clare in Tassie IF JESUS WAS OF THE KINGLY LINE OF KING DAVID AS SCRIPTURE SAYS, THAT ALL OF THE LINE OF KINGS DESCENDED FROM DAVID WERE BORN IN THE MONTH OF MAY! JOSEPH WAS A DIRECT DESCENDENT OF KING DAVID! KRAIG Kraig Carroll Environmental Damage Repair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 I thought it was right at the beginning of one of the Gospels ......... Jane - " clare mcconville - harris " <mc Kraig help me out here with Ch and verse for this statement....... appreciate your assistance. Clare in Tassie IF JESUS WAS OF THE KINGLY LINE OF KING DAVID AS SCRIPTURE SAYS, THAT ALL OF THE LINE OF KINGS DESCENDED FROM DAVID WERE BORN IN THE MONTH OF MAY! JOSEPH WAS A DIRECT DESCENDENT OF KING DAVID! KRAIG Kraig Carroll Environmental Damage Repair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Hi Jane...... it is the MONTH of MAY comment I am interested in THE LINE OF KINGS DESCENDED FROM DAVID WERE BORN IN THE MONTH OF MAY! Yes Jesus is a direct decendant of the Davidic line........... Clare in Taz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Yes I see - that was a new one to me! - " clare mcconville - harris " <mc Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:17 PM Re: Re: Christmas Facts Hi Jane...... it is the MONTH of MAY comment I am interested in THE LINE OF KINGS DESCENDED FROM DAVID WERE BORN IN THE MONTH OF MAY! Yes Jesus is a direct decendant of the Davidic line........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 This same comment was asked as a question on another group I am in. I wish I had an answer for you. Kenneth T - The Havens Saturday, December 08, 2007 1:35 PM Re: Christmas Facts IF JESUS WAS OF THE KINGLY LINE OF KING DAVID AS SCRIPTURE SAYS, THAT ALL OF THE LINE OF KINGS DESCENDED FROM DAVID WERE BORN IN THE MONTH OF MAY! JOSEPH WAS A DIRECT DESCENDENT OF KING DAVID! KRAIGKraig CarrollEnvironmental Damage Repair«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»§ - PULSE ON WORLD HEALTH CONSPIRACIES! §Subscribe:......... - «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»Other like groups: MedicalConspiraciesSubscribe: MedicalConspiracies- Post message: MedicalConspiracies Any information here in is for educational purpose only; it may be news related, purely speculation or SOMEONE'S OPINION. Always consult with a qualified health practitioner before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses.By becoming a member of this group you AGREE to hold this group its members, list owners, moderators and affiliates harmless of any liability for any direct, consequential, incidental, damage incurred.YOU AGREE; to accept responsibility and liability for your own actions and to contact a licensed health care provider before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. IF YOU DO AGREE; you must : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 CLARE, I'LL LOOK, BUT I'M NOT A CHAPTER AND VERSE KIND OF GUY...I CAN'T TELL YOU WHERE THE LORDS PRAYER IS, BUT I DO KNOW IT WAS THE BEST THING JESUS CRAFTED FOR US!......BUT USING THE BIBLE TO DATE ANYTHING IS AN IFFY PROPOSITION........AS TO MANY HANDS HAVE STIRRED THIS POT......CALENDER CHANGES, ERRORS IN TRANSLATION, INFLUENCE FROM A KING ETC. I'LL LET YOU KNOW ........HAVE YOU EVER READ DR. BARBARA THIERING, PHD. , DEAD SEA SCROLL SCHOLAR FROM THE UNIV. OF SYDNEY, WORK ENTITLED " JESUS , AND THE RIDDLE OF THE DEAD SEA SCHROLL'S " .........FASCINATING! KRAIG ****** Kraig and Shirley Carroll ... in the woods of SE Kentucky http://www.thehavens.com/ thehavens 606-376-3363 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 Hi... I am thinking it can be found in (Matt 1:2-17) and The Christmas Story in the Book of Luke. Val ______________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 But May? - " Celtic Valkyrie " <celticvalkyrie49 Monday, December 10, 2007 3:59 AM Re: Christmas Facts > Hi... > I am thinking it can be found in (Matt 1:2-17) and The > Christmas Story in the Book of Luke. > > Val > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2007 Report Share Posted December 9, 2007 , " clare mcconville - harris " <mc wrote: > > Kraig help me out here with Ch and verse for this statement....... > appreciate your assistance. > > Clare in Tassie > > > > IF JESUS WAS OF THE KINGLY LINE OF KING DAVID AS SCRIPTURE SAYS, THAT ALL > OF THE LINE OF KINGS DESCENDED FROM DAVID WERE BORN IN THE MONTH OF MAY! > JOSEPH WAS A DIRECT DESCENDENT OF KING DAVID! > > KRAIG > Kraig Carroll > Environmental Damage Repair > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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