X Rays

[Guest guest]

Hi, I wonder if anyone has ever experienced this. About 4 weeks ago I tripped over on the pavement outside a store and fell heavily. I hurt mainly my left side and one of the injuries to my hand caused me to have an x ray to see if there were any broken bones.

The first x ray they took on my hand I had my palm down on a plate and they had used an apron to cover my front in case I wanted more children! (I am 61). They didn't know that so I took it as a compliment. Then as the assistant nurse took the first picture, I felt a strong uncomfortable tingling in my hand from the wrist down. I felt like yanking my hand away but it was just for a second. When she came back into the room then, I told her I felt that and she was shocked and said "O that is very rare!" The subsequent x rays, I didn't feel a thing and wondered even if they had taken them. I'm wondering if they could have had it up too high and if so, would that have been dangerous to me for the future?

In the meantime my whole left arm now hurts and I don't know if that's a result of the fall or the x ray. Also my left foot has become sore and I think it's a tendon or something that was injured but not noticed at the time. I fell flat on my face with my hands outstretched and feet instep down on the pavement. Tripped over a manhole cover.

Hope someone here knows a bit about this.

Thanks

Jen

[Guest guest]

I don't know much about the xray effects(THEY say it's safe and

the goverment knows these things, right?), but homeopathic arnica

montana pills at 30x potency is really good for helping one's body get

over trauma/bruising. Some folks like the homeopathic arnica cream

and swear by it but I've never noticed it working for me. One of

these days I'm going to grow some arnica and make my own

nonhomeopathic arnica salve for these things. St.John'swort oil

applied externally is magic too.

[Guest guest]

herbal remedies , " prayerfulmantis "

<prayerfulmantis> wrote:

 

> I don't know much about the xray effects(THEY say it's safe

>and the goverment knows these things, right?),

 

 

*******

They can no longer " say " X-rays are safe.

 

X-rays were listed on the Eleventh Edition of the Report on

Carcinogens (RoC) by NTP (National Toxicology Program) earlier this

year. They were listed under the " known " catagory of carcinogens for

humans.

 

NTP is an agency under the U.S. Dept of Health & Human Services, and

they produce new reports every 2 years on " known " and/or " reasonably

anticipated " cancer causing agents.

 

FWIW

Jan / Michigan

[Guest guest]

Recently I asked if anyone had experienced tingling while having an x ray. No one seemed to have experienced that but I'm wondering what I can do because I sort of think it was very dangerous and have been trying to find out if it's a 'rare' thing or why it should have happened. I have'nt contacted the x ray dept yet but I intend to. I just need to know if I'm imagining this or not. How silly! I know I wasn't imagining it. They will probably try and cover up any mistakes or maybe deliberate intentions they made. I think I'm becoming paranoid too! lol.

Please, any one know anything? can we 'feel' xrays??

Jen

 

(Hi, I wonder if anyone has ever experienced this. About 4 weeks ago I tripped over on the pavement outside a store and fell heavily. I hurt mainly my left side and one of the injuries to my hand caused me to have an x ray to see if there were any broken bones. The first x ray they took on my hand I had my palm down on a plate and they had used an apron to cover my front in case I wanted more children! (I am 61). They didn't know that so I took it as a compliment. Then as the assistant nurse took the first picture, I felt a strong uncomfortable tingling in my hand from the wrist down. I felt like yanking my hand away but it was just for a second. When she came back into the room then, I told her I felt that and she was shocked and said "O that is very rare!" The subsequent x rays, I didn't feel a thing and wondered even if they had taken them. I'm wondering if they could have had it up too high and if so, would that have been dangerous to me for the future? In the meantime my whole left arm now hurts and I don't know if that's a result of the fall or the x ray)

[Guest guest]

Isn't radiation the same thing as x-rays? I can't figure out why

they use cancer causing radiation to cure cancer. Can anyone help me

here?

 

gms

 

I don't know much about the xray effects(THEY say it's safe

> >and the goverment knows these things, right?),

>

>

> *******

> They can no longer " say " X-rays are safe.

>

> X-rays were listed on the Eleventh Edition of the Report on

> Carcinogens (RoC) by NTP (National Toxicology Program) earlier

this

> year. They were listed under the " known " catagory of carcinogens

for

> humans.

>

> NTP is an agency under the U.S. Dept of Health & Human Services,

and

> they produce new reports every 2 years on " known "

and/or " reasonably

> anticipated " cancer causing agents.

>

> FWIW

> Jan / Michigan

[Guest guest]

Hi, I found this today after searching on Google. So it seems it probably wasn't harmful at all. So if any of you are worried don't be.

Jen

http://xray.chem.wisc.edu/SHARE1/www/Notes/Safety.htm

X-Ray radiation is a form of ionization radiation that is potentially very dangerous. The most intense and therefore dangerous part of the instrument is the incident X-ray beam. Thus care should always be exercised to know the expected path of the incident beam. Scattered radiation is typically of such reduced intensity that it poses a much reduced health risk to the researcher.

There are several properties of X rays that make this type of radiation particularly dangerous to use in the laboratory. X-Ray radiation cannot be sensed by a human! Some people can feel the presence of X rays on their skin as a kind of "tingling sensation." What these people are feeling are charged air particles produced by the interaction of the ionizing X rays with air.

X-Ray radiation is also hazardous because it can "bounce" off surfaces and appear to "bend" around corners. Thus it is important to survey each instrument for leaks after any modifications to the instrument. These surveys are conducted by the Crystallography Lab director in the CIC facility.

Although X-ray instruments have the potential to be lethal, when used improperly, modern analytical X-ray instruments pose no great risk to careful users. The manufacture and use of analytical X-ray instruments is carefully regulated by the federal and state governments. Current regulations require a variety of safety devices be built into X-ray instruments that make it very difficult for anyone to even accidentally expose themselves to the dangerous incident X-ray beam. The design of the instruments limits even accidental exposures to the hands, arms and facial areas.

Also, the types of radiation used in diffraction instruments (primarily Mo and Cu radiation) are considered "soft" radiation. These types of soft radiation generally will not penetrate more than 2-4 cm into the body. Accidental exposures to radiation from diffraction experiments will usually cause damage only to the skin and possibly bones near the surface of the body. Exposure of soft X rays to the eyes may cause cataracts to form. Because of the possibility of cataracts forming, it is recommended that glasses be worn in an X-ray lab.

There are three general rules to reduce a person's exposure to any type of ionizing radiation. These rules are part of a NRC program to reduce exposure to radiation known as ALARA, As Low As Reasonably Achievable.

 

Reduce the time you are exposed to the radiation source.

Increase the distance between yourself and the radiation source.

Increase shielding between yourself and the radiation source.

Personal radiation detection devices (TLD badges) are generally less important to the diffraction worker than to other radiation workers. Diffraction instruments use highly collimated sources that are less likely to expose the radiation badge than diffuse radiation sources. However, these devices often give the first warning of exposure to a radiation worker. Actual amounts of exposure can be approximated by changes in the white blood cell count before and after the suspected incident. TLD badges are not worn in our lab except by personnel that are modifying or aligning the instruments.

As with all types of ionizing radiation, X Rays cause the most damage to rapidly growing, undifferentiated cells. Thus, for women that are pregnant or suspect that they are pregnant, special care should be taken to protect the fetus especially during the first trimester.

A second serious hazard from the X-ray instrument is electrical shock. The X-ray generator, which is a highly regulated DC power supply, operates at voltages of 40 to 60 kV in order to achieve an optimum flux of X rays. These power supplies should only be serviced by trained electrical engineers. If any object should fall under the generator cabinet, ask the Crystallography Lab staff to help you retrieve the object--do not go after the object by yourself

[Guest guest]

Well, I went to get a scan on that Biophotonic scanner and it use blue

laser to count antioxidants in your skin.

 

I felt it very well.

 

But then I am one weird one who feel my inner organs. I feel my liver,

I feel the gallbladder and the spleen..all of it. My doctor said pah,

its not possible, LOL.....

 

Yesterday I felt the thyroid glands, lol...

 

And I remember I felt buzzing in my cheek when dentist used x-ray to

get pics of my teeth. Shrugs...

 

There is ways to repair radiation damages anyway. Chlorella is one

fine one to use. Seaweed is another thing one can use.

 

I am not going to freak out about the few x-rays I take at least, not

with the Chernobyl thing that happened here. Norway is close to Russia

so we got pretty much of that stuff.

 

I used seaweed and chlorella and bentonite clay and I feel I dont have

any damages from that fallout.

 

Also, macrobiotic diet is known to reduce radiation damages....I ate

macrobiotic diet for a short time many years ago.

 

Here is a site where they talk about environemental and radiation

pollution and what to do.

 

http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?id=1276

 

As you will see, they have a recipe to a soup (Anti-radiation soup)

that was shown to reduce radiation sickness after Hiroshima.

 

So you are not alone about feeling things other people doesnt feel.

And doctors will at least not confirm that, since they believe its not

possible to sense things like that.

 

Hehe...

 

W9

 

 

herbal remedies , " Jen " <jemma56@d...> wrote:

> Recently I asked if anyone had experienced tingling while having an

x ray. No one seemed to have experienced that but I'm wondering what

I can do because I sort of think it was very dangerous and have been

trying to find out if it's a 'rare' thing or why it should have

happened. I have'nt contacted the x ray dept yet but I intend to. I

just need to know if I'm imagining this or not. How silly! I know I

wasn't imagining it. They will probably try and cover up any mistakes

or maybe deliberate intentions they made. I think I'm becoming

paranoid too! lol.

> Please, any one know anything? can we 'feel' xrays??

> Jen

>

[Guest guest]

herbal remedies , " Jen " <jemma56@d...> wrote:

> Hi, I found this today after searching on Google. So it seems it

probably wasn't harmful at all. So if any of you are worried don't

be.

> Jen

 

**********

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (by NTP) " Eleventh

Edition of the Report on Carcinogens " was only publicly released on

January 31, 2005. I don't know if websites giving x-ray information

may have updated their sites to reflect the findings?

 

The following is the reason why X-rays were included in the " known "

carcinogen catagory for humans:

 

X-radiation and gamma-radiation are listed in the report as " known

human carcinogens " because human studies show that exposure to these

kinds of radiation causes many types of cancer including leukemia and

cancers of the thyroid, breast and lung. The risk of developing

cancers due to these forms of ionizing radiation depends to some

extent on age at the time of exposure. Childhood exposure is linked

to an increased risk for leukemia and thyroid cancer. Exposure during

reproductive years increases the risk for breast cancer, and exposure

later in life increases risk for lung cancer. Exposure to X-radiation

and gamma radiation has also been shown to cause cancer of the

salivary glands, stomach, colon, bladder, ovaries, central nervous

system and skin.

 

Of the total worldwide exposure to X-radiation and gamma-radiation,

55 percent is from low-dose medical diagnosis such as bone, chest and

dental X-rays, and 43 percent is from natural sources like radon.

Other sources, such as industry, scientific research, military

weapons testing, nuclear accidents and nuclear power generation,

account for about 2 percent.

 

FWIW

Jan / Michigan

[Guest guest]

herbal remedies , " gms4934 " <gms4934>

wrote:

> Isn't radiation the same thing as x-rays? I can't figure out why

> they use cancer causing radiation to cure cancer. Can anyone help

>me here?

>

> gms

>

 

*********

Both radiation therapy AND chemotherapy can cause cancer. Which is

known as " Secondary Malignancies " , and its a response to the original

therapy..... Conventional treatments " try " to kill the cancer cells,

with the least amount of damage to " normal " cells/functions, but they

aren't always successful in either area.

 

I have studied the conventional cancer treatments a bit, as my

younger brother died, not from his cancer, but from his

cancer " treatment " . The chemo was what killed him.

 

The article below gives a pretty good explanation on Secondary

Malignancies....

 

FWIW

Jan / Michigan

 

http://patient.cancerconsultants.com/supportive_treatment.aspx?

id=23144

 

or if link gets broken up: http://tinyurl.com/bd5v8

 

<snips> (see above link for full article)

 

Secondary malignancies are cancers caused by treatment with radiation

or chemotherapy. They are unrelated to the first cancer that was

treated, and may occur months or even years after initial treatment.

 

In addition to treating cancer, chemotherapy drugs and radiation

therapy are also carcinogenic, which means they can cause cancer....

 

Furthermore, secondary cancers are more frequent in patients who

receive radiation therapy and chemotherapy compared to either

treatment alone.....

 

How can secondary cancers be prevented?

 

Define the risk of recurrence and tailor the intensity of cancer

therapy: ....

 

Avoid radiation therapy: .....

 

Avoid drugs with high carcinogenic potential: This is difficult to do

since all chemotherapy drugs are carcinogenic.....

[Guest guest]

Hair of the Dog???

-S

 

 

herbal remedies

[herbal remedies ]On Behalf Of gms4934

Sunday, June 12, 2005 8:22 PM

herbal remedies

Herbal Remedies - Re: X Rays

 

 

Isn't radiation the same thing as x-rays? I can't figure out why

they use cancer causing radiation to cure cancer. Can anyone help me

here?

 

gms

 

I don't know much about the xray effects(THEY say it's safe

> >and the goverment knows these things, right?),

 

--

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Zoomom. I'm glad I skipped chemo after reading what you

have said. What I also can't figure out is why the doctors can't

tell a person about herbal remedies that fight cancer. I am

convinced that cancer is curable but the _ _ _ won't allow people

to talk about it or promote it. (you can fill in the blanks)lol...

 

gms

 

 

herbal remedies , " zoomom9 " <zoomom9>

wrote:

> herbal remedies , " gms4934 " <gms4934>

> wrote:

> > Isn't radiation the same thing as x-rays? I can't figure out why

> > they use cancer causing radiation to cure cancer. Can anyone

help

> >me here?

> >

> > gms

> >

>

> *********

> Both radiation therapy AND chemotherapy can cause cancer. Which

is

> known as " Secondary Malignancies " , and its a response to the

original

> therapy..... Conventional treatments " try " to kill the cancer

cells,

> with the least amount of damage to " normal " cells/functions, but

they

> aren't always successful in either area.

>

> I have studied the conventional cancer treatments a bit, as my

> younger brother died, not from his cancer, but from his

> cancer " treatment " . The chemo was what killed him.

>

> The article below gives a pretty good explanation on Secondary

> Malignancies....

>

> FWIW

> Jan / Michigan

>

> http://patient.cancerconsultants.com/supportive_treatment.aspx?

> id=23144

>

> or if link gets broken up: http://tinyurl.com/bd5v8

>

> <snips> (see above link for full article)

>

> Secondary malignancies are cancers caused by treatment with

radiation

> or chemotherapy. They are unrelated to the first cancer that was

> treated, and may occur months or even years after initial

treatment.

>

> In addition to treating cancer, chemotherapy drugs and radiation

> therapy are also carcinogenic, which means they can cause

cancer....

>

> Furthermore, secondary cancers are more frequent in patients who

> receive radiation therapy and chemotherapy compared to either

> treatment alone.....

>

> How can secondary cancers be prevented?

>

> Define the risk of recurrence and tailor the intensity of cancer

> therapy: ....

>

> Avoid radiation therapy: .....

>

> Avoid drugs with high carcinogenic potential: This is difficult to

do

> since all chemotherapy drugs are carcinogenic.....

[Guest guest]

I have a question about this...a friend of mine,just today,was telling me how they were doing a study on treating (removing?) radiation from your body by using real Niacin,Vitamin B1 and Vitamin C.

 

He says that the rash you get it not an allergic reaction at all,but a removal of the toxins. He does it every once in awhile and turns beet red (after the rash), and said it's like a sunburn (a bad one) for about 4 hours and then disappears!

 

Does anyone know about this?

I am interested because I have been exposed (whatever isn't covered by that thing you wear I guess?) By the many times my mother had MRI " s and Cat scans. I have also had way to many teeth xrays as I have " soft " teeth and am always at the dentist =0( Along with other xrays.

 

Karly

 

[Guest guest]

herbal remedies , " gms4934 " <gms4934>

wrote:

>What I also can't figure out is why the doctors can't

> tell a person about herbal remedies that fight cancer. I am

> convinced that cancer is curable but the _ _ _ won't allow people

> to talk about it or promote it. (you can fill in the blanks)lol...

>

> gms

 

******

The Chemical/Pharmaceutical Industry is very large and very

powerful. Because they have so much money, they are also very

influential when it comes to having control over medical

institutions, research facilities, medical doctors,

government " safety " regulators, and even politicians. Their monies

fund many, many of these groups. Most doctors and medical

institutions are not going to " bite " the hand that feeds them, and/or

keeps them in business.

 

The motive for the drug makers (pharmaceutical companies) is profit.

They cannot " patent " things of nature, such as plants/herbs/foods,

and the patents are what make them money. They can, however, get

patents on chemicals. Even the few drugs that are made with plant

materials nowadays, do have to have chemicals in the formulation, in

order for the drug companies to patent them. The only other way

to " patent " plants for drugs, is to alter them from nature, such as

with their GMO's. (which is why the big push for the GMO Pharma

crops nowadays)

 

The chemicals used to make pharmaceuticals, are usually waste

byproducts from the petroleum and coal industries. They are fairly

cheap, when compared to using plants that have to be: Planted,

Grown, Tended, and Harvested, and could still end up with a crop

failure due to undesireable pests, diseases, or weather conditions.

The chems are available year-round, and don't rely on " growing

seasons and conditions " . The Petro/Coal Industries would have to pay

to have their wastes hauled away, if it were not for the chemical

industry " recycling " them to make their chems/drugs etc., and thus,

they sell their wastes pretty cheap.

 

The large drug companies are branches of the chemical companies and

also the " bio-tech " companies which develop the GMO's. (they are all

inter-connected) So, in effect, the SAME companies, which produce

the chemicals that cause so much damage to people's health, are the

ones that make the drugs that are " supposed " to make them better.

(follow the money trails) In many instances, they use the SAME

chemical derivatives to make the " medicines " , as what are used to

make the pesticides, chem cleaners, industrial chems, chemical food

additives, etc. (read their chemical formulations)

 

IMHO, there never will be a " true cure " for cancer (or other

autoimmune diseases) from the allopathic pharmaceutical companies, as

there is just too much money to be made by NOT curing them. We are

talking billions and billions of $$$ that they make, from the Chem

Corps. devloping/producing chems that can CAUSE cancer (and other ill

health problems), to selling all the drugs that then " attempt "

to " control " these various diseases/symptoms. Then they can sell

even more drugs, to " combat " the horrible side-effects of the 1st

drug. Its a never-ending source of $$$. If they ever did

find " true cures " , they would be losing their revenue sources and

profits.

 

FWIW

Jan / Michigan

[Guest guest]

Er...lol...Bump?

[Guest guest]

There is a great book that has a few chapters on this. It is called "Clear Body, Clear Mind" and it is written by L Ron Hubbard.

 

It is a pretty good book....

Rob

 

herbal remedies [herbal remedies ]On Behalf Of Karly GrayTuesday, June 14, 2005 10:13 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: X Rays

I have a question about this...a friend of mine,just today,was telling me how they were doing a study on treating (removing?) radiation from your body by using real Niacin,Vitamin B1 and Vitamin C.

He says that the rash you get it not an allergic reaction at all,but a removal of the toxins. He does it every once in awhile and turns beet red (after the rash), and said it's like a sunburn (a bad one) for about 4 hours and then disappears!

Does anyone know about this?

I am interested because I have been exposed (whatever isn't covered by that thing you wear I guess?) By the many times my mother had MRI"s and Cat scans. I have also had way to many teeth xrays as I have "soft" teeth and am always at the dentist =0( Along with other xrays.

Karly

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Thank you Jan, that was very informative but sad.

 

gms...

 

herbal remedies , " zoomom9 " <zoomom9>

wrote:

> herbal remedies , " gms4934 " <gms4934>

> wrote:

> >What I also can't figure out is why the doctors can't

> > tell a person about herbal remedies that fight cancer. I am

> > convinced that cancer is curable but the _ _ _ won't allow

people

> > to talk about it or promote it. (you can fill in the blanks)

lol...

> >

> > gms

>

> ******

> The Chemical/Pharmaceutical Industry is very large and very

> powerful. Because they have so much money, they are also very

> influential when it comes to having control over medical

> institutions, research facilities, medical doctors,

> government " safety " regulators, and even politicians. Their

monies

> fund many, many of these groups. Most doctors and medical

> institutions are not going to " bite " the hand that feeds them,

and/or

> keeps them in business.

>

> The motive for the drug makers (pharmaceutical companies) is

profit.

> They cannot " patent " things of nature, such as plants/herbs/foods,

> and the patents are what make them money. They can, however, get

> patents on chemicals. Even the few drugs that are made with plant

> materials nowadays, do have to have chemicals in the formulation,

in

> order for the drug companies to patent them. The only other way

> to " patent " plants for drugs, is to alter them from nature, such

as

> with their GMO's. (which is why the big push for the GMO Pharma

> crops nowadays)

>

> The chemicals used to make pharmaceuticals, are usually waste

> byproducts from the petroleum and coal industries. They are

fairly

> cheap, when compared to using plants that have to be: Planted,

> Grown, Tended, and Harvested, and could still end up with a crop

> failure due to undesireable pests, diseases, or weather

conditions.

> The chems are available year-round, and don't rely on " growing

> seasons and conditions " . The Petro/Coal Industries would have to

pay

> to have their wastes hauled away, if it were not for the chemical

> industry " recycling " them to make their chems/drugs etc., and

thus,

> they sell their wastes pretty cheap.

>

> The large drug companies are branches of the chemical companies

and

> also the " bio-tech " companies which develop the GMO's. (they are

all

> inter-connected) So, in effect, the SAME companies, which produce

> the chemicals that cause so much damage to people's health, are

the

> ones that make the drugs that are " supposed " to make them better.

> (follow the money trails) In many instances, they use the SAME

> chemical derivatives to make the " medicines " , as what are used to

> make the pesticides, chem cleaners, industrial chems, chemical

food

> additives, etc. (read their chemical formulations)

>

> IMHO, there never will be a " true cure " for cancer (or other

> autoimmune diseases) from the allopathic pharmaceutical companies,

as

> there is just too much money to be made by NOT curing them. We

are

> talking billions and billions of $$$ that they make, from the Chem

> Corps. devloping/producing chems that can CAUSE cancer (and other

ill

> health problems), to selling all the drugs that then " attempt "

> to " control " these various diseases/symptoms. Then they can sell

> even more drugs, to " combat " the horrible side-effects of the 1st

> drug. Its a never-ending source of $$$. If they ever did

> find " true cures " , they would be losing their revenue sources and

> profits.

>

> FWIW

> Jan / Michigan