Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 I have to share my frustration and seek other advice.....I took my son to the doctor today, just one more time thinking I might get a real answer, to no avail! My 2 1/2 year old has had a rash for about 2 months behind his knees, inside his elbows and all over his back. It's not consistent but rather blotchy raised bumps that get enflamed and itchy. Doc says it's atopical dermatis and gave me a prescription for a topical steroid. That may be all well and good but what I wanted to know was HOW DID HE GET IT? Is it food related, (I think he may have allergies, particulary milk.) is it an environmental irritant, should I be using a milder soap on him, did he know of any more " natural " products such as oatmeal baths or aloe vera gels? Nothing! He was completely clueless! I live in rural Iowa and I don't have any educated sources available to me in natural medicine and I feel so frustrated! Can anyone refer me to a source of information or online alternative medicine doc that will answer questions for me? Feeling completely hopeless... Elisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 __________________ Dear Elisa, For best source of information online/alternative medical doctor visit: http://www.academyofnaturalhealing.com and http://docshillington.blogspot.com ....and in the meantime request a free consultation with the "good doctor" here: Dr. Ian Shillington, ND 727-447-5282 DocShillington BE Blessed in the right use of Knowledge...JOYintheAfternoon... ________________ Elisa <bearstake wrote: I have to share my frustration and seek other advice.....I took my son to the doctor today, just one more time thinking I might get a real answer, to no avail! My 2 1/2 year old has had a rash for about 2 months behind his knees, inside his elbows and all over his back. It's not consistent but rather blotchy raised bumps that get enflamed and itchy. Doc says it's atopical dermatis and gave me a prescription for a topical steroid. That may be all well and good but what I wanted to know was HOW DID HE GET IT? Is it food related, (I think he may have allergies, particulary milk.) is it an environmental irritant, should I be using a milder soap on him, did he know of any more "natural" products such as oatmeal baths or aloe vera gels? Nothing! He was completely clueless! I live in rural Iowa and I don't have any educated sources available to me in natural medicine and I feel so frustrated! :)Can anyone refer me to a source of information or online alternative medicine doc that will answer questions for me?Feeling completely hopeless...ElisaFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington JOY with every heartbeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2005 Report Share Posted May 23, 2005 Hi Elisa, Only source I know is Doc himself LOL. If you suspect it might be dairy related, why not try it out and stop all dairy products? If it is that, it should clear up the skin within a few days. The best alternative to dairy milk is home made almond milk! Often such possible allergy questions are simply trial and error: try cutting out one thing and see if anything changes. If not, you don't have the right one. Meanwhile, use Doc's Herbal First Aid Salve on the rash. love Lisa - Elisa herbal remedies Monday, May 23, 2005 7:15 PM Herbal Remedies - Went to the doc today- Venting! I have to share my frustration and seek other advice.....I took my son to the doctor today, just one more time thinking I might get a real answer, to no avail! My 2 1/2 year old has had a rash for about 2 months behind his knees, inside his elbows and all over his back. It's not consistent but rather blotchy raised bumps that get enflamed and itchy. Doc says it's atopical dermatis and gave me a prescription for a topical steroid. That may be all well and good but what I wanted to know was HOW DID HE GET IT? Is it food related, (I think he may have allergies, particulary milk.) is it an environmental irritant, should I be using a milder soap on him, did he know of any more "natural" products such as oatmeal baths or aloe vera gels? Nothing! He was completely clueless! I live in rural Iowa and I don't have any educated sources available to me in natural medicine and I feel so frustrated! :)Can anyone refer me to a source of information or online alternative medicine doc that will answer questions for me?Feeling completely hopeless...Elisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I know I'd get rashes like that when I was overheated and sweating as a child. Also as an adult I would get them when I had too much sugar. Maybe check that out. By check it out I mean read all the ingredients to everything you feed your baby. Zeb Rash* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 Heat rash ?- allergic to his own sweat?-- I have a 5 yr old daughter who also get itchy rashes in those locations as well as at the base of her head and neck. She tends to be sensitive to different soaps & shampoos. I generally have to avoid anything and just wash her with water. Even some of the all natural products I've found cause problems. She itches something awful and at times she gets sores from scratching. I use dilute lavender oil on her and it works great. It doesn't have to be diluted but its a little more economical to dilute it. My husband is also susceptible to itchy rashes - the dermatologist & dr. just said it was an allergy of some sort. He only has a problem when it gets hot. He works outside and sweats a great deal - so the theory was it was his sweat and air pollution that was causing the rash. I haven't tried lavender oil on him yet. We did change his soaps & shampoos and that has helped. Helen Smith Wife of 1 (it's enough!), birthmother of 8, surrogate mother to exchange students-friends' children-baby birds-and any others that find their way to my home, sister, daughter, cook, housekeeper, baby sitter, party planner, office manager, efficiency expert, personal trainer, teacher, social worker, medical practitioner, healer, spiritual guide, seamstress, gardener, home repair specialist, accountant, chauffeur, librarian, carpenter, painter, musician, computer specialist, graphic artist, (have I left anything out???) and therapist (I need one!). Amended by sister - friend, confidante, banker, ruler, queen, 'the law', Girl Friday -- Girl Everyday, voter, good Samaritan, Christian, LDS, daughter of God. "She-who-must-be-obeyed." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Elisa, I am a little late with my response so forgive me if I repeat anything someone else has already told you. First off, do a search on eczema (that is a more common name for atopic dermatitis). I really think that doctors will use the name atopic dermatitis when they first diagnose eczema and if it persists then they will use the term eczema (this is just my own personal observation). I have had eczema for almost 30 years and have been able to control it for the past few years with diet. Your best bet with your son is to try an elimination diet. My problem is wheat/gluton so I avoid it as best I can. I also eat only organic whole food (no processed foods) and grass-fed beef. This alone has made a huge difference in the health of my entire family, not just me. My kids are never sick and I think it's due to their diet of organic food and very little sugar. Do not use any of the prescription meds that the doctor may give you!!! The steroids can permanently damage the skin and who knows what they will do systemically (adrenal problems?). As for the other creams (Elidel and Protopic), studies has shown a link to cancer with them (lymphoma for children and skin cancer for adults). Oatmeal baths and coconut oil can help with the dryness. I know the itching can be horrific but go the route of finding out if he is bothered by certain foods. BTW, a friends daughter is " allergic " to milk but has no problem with raw milk. Good luck! >>I have to share my frustration and seek other advice.....I took my son to the doctor today, just one more time thinking I might get a real answer, to no avail! My 2 1/2 year old has had a rash for about 2 months behind his knees, inside his elbows and all over his back. It's not consistent but rather blotchy raised bumps that get enflamed and itchy. Doc says it's atopical dermatis and gave me a prescription for a topical steroid. That may be all well and good but what I wanted to know was HOW DID HE GET IT? Is it food related, (I think he may have allergies, particulary milk.) is it an environmental irritant, should I be using a milder soap on him, did he know of any more " natural " products such as oatmeal baths or aloe vera gels? Nothing! He was completely clueless! I live in rural Iowa and I don't have any educated sources available to me in natural medicine and I feel so frustrated! Can anyone refer me to a source of information or online alternative medicine doc that will answer questions for me? Feeling completely hopeless... Elisa<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 herbal remedies , " Elisa " <bearstake> wrote: > My 2 1/2 year old has had a rash for about 2 months behind his >knees, inside his elbows and all over his back. It's not consistent >but rather blotchy raised bumps that get enflamed and itchy. > That may be all well and good but what I wanted to know was HOW DID >HE GET IT? Is it food related, (I think he may have allergies, >particulary milk.) is it an environmental irritant, should I be >using a milder soap on him, did he know of any more " natural " >products such as oatmeal baths or aloe vera gels? > Elisa ********* Some things to try, if you haven't already.... Use a natural fragrance/dye-free laundry detergent to clean clothes/bedding and do NOT use fabric softeners. The chems in the softeners are very irritating to skin, and because they are designed to remain in the fabrics (to prevent static-cling, soften, and keep scent), when the skin is rubbed by the fabrics, or starts sweating, this makes the chems even more irritating. Use chem-free soap/shampoo/lotions if you use these items on the child. Again, when clothing starts rubbing on the skin, or the skin starts to sweat, the chemicals will be more irritating in those areas. Try fabrics that don't have " permanent finishes " . (like flame retardants/stain-soil repellents/wrinkle resistance) These treatments use heavy-duty chems that are permanently bound to the fabric fibers, many of which contain various formaldehydes, which are well known skin sensitizers. Formaldehyde is also used in most " natural fabrics " as a temporary finish too, so if wearing new clothes or using new bedding, wash them at least 3 times beforehand, to remove this temporary finish. Try natural fabrics (cotton/ramie/silk/linen) rather than synthetics petro/plastics like arcylic/polyester etc. The natural fabrics allow skin to breathe, and the synthetics tend to suffocate skin and make it sweat more. If the child takes any " pharmaceuticals " , check to see if it may be a side-effect of them. (very common in medicines) If the rashes don't clear up, then look for dietary triggers. Many things in diets (whether chemical additives or food allergies) can cause skin eruptions of all types. Keep track of both foods and food " ingredients " that could be causing problems. Hope this helps.... I know of several people (myself included) that have cleared up chronic skin conditions with a bit of detective work. Many of us found that the skin was affected by BOTH " environmental chemicals " and various " diet ingredients " , so looking at all aspects is your best bet at finding the culprit(s). Jan / Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 While researching what the others mentioned about possible allergic reactions I'ld put the kid on burdock root tea. That is a classic for skin conditions. A nice skin salve of some type would be soothing on the irritated parts too. You might want to switch to a vinegar skin wash rather than soap for a few days if you suspect the soap is causing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Yes I agree on Jan's advices. And also get soap that is homemade. Pure olive oil soap for example. After I was vegetarian 5 years, I got multiple chemical allergy (yes, funny enough the vegetarian diet triggered that), so I know all that stuff Jan talk about. And many kids is very sensitive today, because they are not born into an environemental healthy earth, like our grandparents did. W9 herbal remedies , " zoomom9 " <zoomom9> wrote: > herbal remedies , " Elisa " <bearstake> > wrote: > > My 2 1/2 year old has had a rash for about 2 months behind his > >knees, inside his elbows and all over his back. It's not consistent > >but rather blotchy raised bumps that get enflamed and itchy. > > > That may be all well and good but what I wanted to know was HOW DID > >HE GET IT? Is it food related, (I think he may have allergies, > >particulary milk.) is it an environmental irritant, should I be > >using a milder soap on him, did he know of any more " natural " > >products such as oatmeal baths or aloe vera gels? > > Elisa > > ********* > Some things to try, if you haven't already.... > > Use a natural fragrance/dye-free laundry detergent to clean > clothes/bedding and do NOT use fabric softeners. The chems in the > softeners are very irritating to skin, and because they are designed > to remain in the fabrics (to prevent static-cling, soften, and keep > scent), when the skin is rubbed by the fabrics, or starts sweating, > this makes the chems even more irritating. > > Use chem-free soap/shampoo/lotions if you use these items on the > child. Again, when clothing starts rubbing on the skin, or the skin > starts to sweat, the chemicals will be more irritating in those areas. > > Try fabrics that don't have " permanent finishes " . (like flame > retardants/stain-soil repellents/wrinkle resistance) These > treatments use heavy-duty chems that are permanently bound to the > fabric fibers, many of which contain various formaldehydes, which are > well known skin sensitizers. Formaldehyde is also used in > most " natural fabrics " as a temporary finish too, so if wearing new > clothes or using new bedding, wash them at least 3 times beforehand, > to remove this temporary finish. > > Try natural fabrics (cotton/ramie/silk/linen) rather than synthetics > petro/plastics like arcylic/polyester etc. The natural fabrics allow > skin to breathe, and the synthetics tend to suffocate skin and make > it sweat more. > > If the child takes any " pharmaceuticals " , check to see if it may be a > side-effect of them. (very common in medicines) > > If the rashes don't clear up, then look for dietary triggers. Many > things in diets (whether chemical additives or food allergies) can > cause skin eruptions of all types. Keep track of both foods and > food " ingredients " that could be causing problems. > > Hope this helps.... I know of several people (myself included) that > have cleared up chronic skin conditions with a bit of detective > work. Many of us found that the skin was affected by > BOTH " environmental chemicals " and various " diet ingredients " , so > looking at all aspects is your best bet at finding the culprit(s). > > Jan / Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 I have this problem; it is caused by a very common candida bacterial infection, that can be treated by use of creams/oils and talcs that treat athletes’ foot. It is important to keep the areas clean and dry I hope that this will help you. Marion Ghosh herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Helen Smith 24 May 2005 11:27 herbal remedies RE: Herbal Remedies - Went to the doc today- Venting! Heat rash ?- allergic to his own sweat?-- I have a 5 yr old daughter who also get itchy rashes in those locations as well as at the base of her head and neck. She tends to be sensitive to different soaps & shampoos. I generally have to avoid anything and just wash her with water. Even some of the all natural products I've found cause problems. She itches something awful and at times she gets sores from scratching. I use dilute lavender oil on her and it works great. It doesn't have to be diluted but its a little more economical to dilute it. My husband is also susceptible to itchy rashes - the dermatologist & dr. just said it was an allergy of some sort. He only has a problem when it gets hot. He works outside and sweats a great deal - so the theory was it was his sweat and air pollution that was causing the rash. I haven't tried lavender oil on him yet. We did change his soaps & shampoos and that has helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Not only that, but you also have new furniture that give off formaldehyde and when one paint a room. Also those plates made of wood splinters? (not sure about the english word for that wood powder/chip thing) and glue. The glue can have formaldehyde and this will give off formaldehyde for years. Many new furniture is made of those plates. These water-solutable paints is something of the worst thing I can smell. Boy I get sick then. I read somewhere there is 700 chemicals in that stuff (if I remember right then, I cant remember where I read it, but I remember I told my father who refuse to understand that water-solutable paints is not good for health, heh). Many studies have shown that kids should NOT sleep in a room painted with those paints or have furniture that give off formaldehyde, or have those plates on the walls. They get very sick of that. So another reason for buying second-hand old furniture or furniture made of wood alone and not painted, and use natural paints, and wood on walls etc, yes? W9 herbal remedies , " walkyria9 " <wisdom9@g...> wrote: > Yes I agree on Jan's advices. > > And also get soap that is homemade. Pure olive oil soap for example. > > After I was vegetarian 5 years, I got multiple chemical allergy (yes, > funny enough the vegetarian diet triggered that), so I know all that > stuff Jan talk about. > > And many kids is very sensitive today, because they are not born into > an environemental healthy earth, like our grandparents did. > > W9 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Hi W9, Depending on when your chemical allergies turned up (when you went vegetarian?) they could have been detoxing symptoms rather than allergies. When a body detoxes it will often " run out " these things from the body, and they'll come out any elimination channel they can, including the skin! Best, Kelli | | herbal remedies | [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of walkyria9 | Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:27 PM | herbal remedies | Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting! | | Yes I agree on Jan's advices. | | And also get soap that is homemade. Pure olive oil soap for example. | | After I was vegetarian 5 years, I got multiple chemical allergy (yes, | funny enough the vegetarian diet triggered that), so I know all that | stuff Jan talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Along the same lines, I used to smoke, I quit 10 years ago, now I have all kinds of allergies I didn't use to have, I attribute it to stopping smoking, since that is when the allergies began to show up. Any ideas on this? Thanks, Lynn - Kelli Bever herbal remedies Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:01 PM RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting! Hi W9, Depending on when your chemical allergies turned up (when youwent vegetarian?) they could have been detoxing symptoms rather thanallergies. When a body detoxes it will often "run out" these things fromthe body, and they'll come out any elimination channel they can,including the skin! :)Best,Kelli | | herbal remedies | [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of walkyria9| Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:27 PM| herbal remedies | Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting!| | Yes I agree on Jan's advices. | | And also get soap that is homemade. Pure olive oil soap for example. | | After I was vegetarian 5 years, I got multiple chemical allergy (yes,| funny enough the vegetarian diet triggered that), so I know all that| stuff Jan talk about. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Well.... I did one mistake, and that was that I didnt get enough protein at all. For several years. With other words, the lack of protein did it. I got the MCS in the end of the vegetarian diet, so your theory doesnt fit. And the reason to why my diet didnt have enough protein was because I believed in those vegetarians who yell that we get too much protein blablabla.... I believe the bloodtype diet is true somehow...when I started to eat abit meat again, I felt abit better. Anyway its possible to be a bloodtype 0 vegetarian but I havent been able to figure out that yet, hence I eat some meat sometimes. Plus, there is a big group on net who say being total vegetarian and vegan is dangerous, because some people is not meant to be vegetarian/vegan, and suffer of malnutrition. I believe in them too...... There have been one case where a mother ate only vegan diet and had no milk to nurse the baby and then fed the baby vegan stuff and the baby died, and many other cases where vegans lost hair and got loose teeth and many other health problems. I dont believe in fanaticism when its about vegetarianism. And I have met enough vegetarians/vegans to see that some of them become freaks with time. Also, some of those vegetarians I know, have already got first symptom on malnutrition and that is that they are losing alot of hair. That happens after some years on vegetarian diet for those who need protein from animal sources. If I offend anyone with what I said above, I apologize for that. But I stand on what I mean, because I do not like fanaticism in any groups in society. And I have Dalai Lama on my side actually. He say he have to eat abit meat now and then because he cant keep his health optimal without a little meat sometimes. And he should be the one who tried everything when its about vegetarism, since buddhists normally doesnt eat anything with a face on because of their principles. W9 herbal remedies , " Kelli Bever " <kelli@c...> wrote: > > Hi W9, Depending on when your chemical allergies turned up (when you > went vegetarian?) they could have been detoxing symptoms rather than > allergies. When a body detoxes it will often " run out " these things from > the body, and they'll come out any elimination channel they can, > including the skin! > > Best, > Kelli > > | > | herbal remedies > | [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of walkyria9 > | Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:27 PM > | herbal remedies > | Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting! > | > | Yes I agree on Jan's advices. > | > | And also get soap that is homemade. Pure olive oil soap for example. > | > | After I was vegetarian 5 years, I got multiple chemical allergy (yes, > | funny enough the vegetarian diet triggered that), so I know all that > | stuff Jan talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Ok, my MCS (Multiple Chemical Sensitivity for those who dont know) got better after I did Hulda Clark liver cleanse. I did it twice, once a year..and will do it soon again. I like their site very much, because they say allergies can be because of liver have stored alot of cholesterol stones, so when you get rid of that, the allergies will get better. True in my case. Oh and they have alot of other advices about not using products with chemicals...Hulda Clark mean we poison ourself with products like lotion, deodorants, shampoo etc etc.....so its a good site yes. I dont know if its allowed to post link to sites here so google the words hulda clark liver cleanse and you find it quick... W9 herbal remedies , " Lynn " <l_Rivarde@h...> wrote: > Along the same lines, I used to smoke, I quit 10 years ago, now I have all kinds of allergies I didn't use to have, I attribute it to stopping smoking, since that is when the allergies began to show up. Any ideas on this? > Thanks, > Lynn > - > Kelli Bever<kelli@c...> > To: herbal remedies <herbal remedies > > Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:01 PM > RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting! > > > > Hi W9, Depending on when your chemical allergies turned up (when you > went vegetarian?) they could have been detoxing symptoms rather than > allergies. When a body detoxes it will often " run out " these things from > the body, and they'll come out any elimination channel they can, > including the skin! > > Best, > Kelli > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Well, just as some background on my theory on this, I just discovered this new healthy lifestyle 2 1/2 yrs ago. Previous to my first body cleanse my seasonal allergies were getting so bad that I would be non-functional for a few days each season, although I'd refuse to take any meds for it. After my very first body cleanse, my allergies were gone. I personally believe that allergies are the reaction of an overwhelmed body fighting back against toxins in the environment. If the body's not completely overwhelmed, then it can handle an occassional toxin here or there. Once it's overwhelmed, though, the toxins become a survival problem for the body and then it starts fighting back. At some point it probably becomes so overwhelmed that it doesn't even bother fighting back anymore. (And then you're on a slippery slope!) It's kind of like, what's the difference between "lots of fun things going on" and "stress!" Some people are easily stressed out, and others can take a lot of random things occurring and have fun with it. It's not that one's right and the other's not, but it's obviously not fun to be stressed. I think of bodies similarly - they have different limits to how many "fun things going on" they can take (it's a beautiful time to be outside when the trees are in bloom!) before it becomes too stressful for them. So, my theory, just based on what you've said, Lynn, is that after you stopped smoking your body was finally able to start fighting back again. Depending on any other lifestyle changes you made (anything else you did to get healthy?) you could be detoxing as well. Anyway, my comments are not based on any scientific data, but just my opinions based on my own experience on this. Best, Kelli herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of LynnThursday, May 26, 2005 11:37 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting! Along the same lines, I used to smoke, I quit 10 years ago, now I have all kinds of allergies I didn't use to have, I attribute it to stopping smoking, since that is when the allergies began to show up. Any ideas on this? Thanks, Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 herbal remedies , " Lynn " <l_Rivarde@h...> wrote: > Along the same lines, I used to smoke, I quit 10 years ago, now I >have all kinds of allergies I didn't use to have, I attribute it to >stopping smoking, since that is when the allergies began to show up. >Any ideas on this? > Thanks, > Lynn ********** Just curious... if while you were quitting smoking, if you may have taken any chemical pharmaceuticals to help quit, or to help relieve symptoms from quitting? I have known a couple of people who quit smoking, that related their new " sensitivities " to using the " quit smoking " drugs/patches, and/or to " sleeping aid " drugs, and " anti-depressants " . Just a thought..... Jan / Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 herbal remedies , " walkyria9 " <wisdom9@g...> wrote: > After I was vegetarian 5 years, I got multiple chemical allergy > (yes, funny enough the vegetarian diet triggered that), so I know all >that stuff Jan talk about. > W9 ********* My MCS trigger was thru Dr. prescribed chemical pharmaceuticals. Its been over 5 years since I've taken any type of chemical drug, and I hope to never take another. Had I known then, what I know now, I would never have taken the drugs in the first place. The chemicals they use to make " medicines " are quite toxic, so its no wonder they can cause so much damage/harm, and have very long lists of " known " side-effects. What started out as side-effects from one drug, led to more drugs, until I was so full of their chemicals, and became so toxic, they thought I would sooner or later test " positive " for thyroid disease, autoimmune problems, and/or lupus. (of course, they didn't tell me that there are over 100 drugs already that are known to cause drug- induced lupus) Until they could " get " a " positive " diagnosis thru testing tho, I was labeled " idiopathic " , which means from unknown causes. Its a favorite term nowadays, in the medical field, to describe the " reasons " for all these diseases/symptoms cropping up everywhere. Funny how the " diseases/symptoms " went out the window, when I quit all their drugs " against medical advice " . Unfortunately, it took me 4 1/2 years of their " treatments " , before I wised-up enough to quit listening to them. If I hadn't taken my health into my own hands, I'm sure I would've evenutally ended up testing positive for one of their autoiummune diseases. I'm still left with " sensitivity " to the coal tar/petrochems used in the medicines, (many of which are derived from the same chems used in everything else too), but I've gotten pretty good at avoiding them. The occasional unintended/accidental exposures cause far less severe reactions than they used to. FWIW Jan / Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Thanks, Jan. I did use the patches, to quit, however these allergies weren't apparent at the beginning, seems the longer time goes on the more allergies. I don't discount your theory, but I quit 10 years ago and in the last 2 years the allergies have started to appear, so I wonder if that was or is the cause. I think 8 years is plenty of time for the body to cleanse itself of the nicotine from the patches. However there are long lasting effects from things. I know some doctors say you can't be allergic to smoke, I know better, if I'm around it for any length of time, I have to use herbal allergy extracts. Have a hard time breathing, could be the chemicals they put into the tobacco that is the addictive part. Lynn - zoomom9 herbal remedies Friday, May 27, 2005 6:02 AM Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting! herbal remedies , "Lynn" <l_Rivarde@h...> wrote:> Along the same lines, I used to smoke, I quit 10 years ago, now I >have all kinds of allergies I didn't use to have, I attribute it to >stopping smoking, since that is when the allergies began to show up. >Any ideas on this?> Thanks,> Lynn**********Just curious... if while you were quitting smoking, if you may have taken any chemical pharmaceuticals to help quit, or to help relieve symptoms from quitting?I have known a couple of people who quit smoking, that related their new "sensitivities" to using the "quit smoking" drugs/patches, and/or to "sleeping aid" drugs, and "anti-depressants".Just a thought.....Jan / MichiganFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 By the way, I take no medicines (precribed pharmacuticals), sleeping aids or no need for anti-depressents I just don't take anything except supplements occasionally, or on an as needed basis for herbs etc. Lynn - zoomom9 herbal remedies Friday, May 27, 2005 6:02 AM Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting! herbal remedies , "Lynn" <l_Rivarde@h...> wrote:> Along the same lines, I used to smoke, I quit 10 years ago, now I >have all kinds of allergies I didn't use to have, I attribute it to >stopping smoking, since that is when the allergies began to show up. >Any ideas on this?> Thanks,> Lynn**********Just curious... if while you were quitting smoking, if you may have taken any chemical pharmaceuticals to help quit, or to help relieve symptoms from quitting?I have known a couple of people who quit smoking, that related their new "sensitivities" to using the "quit smoking" drugs/patches, and/or to "sleeping aid" drugs, and "anti-depressants".Just a thought.....Jan / MichiganFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2005 Report Share Posted May 27, 2005 Yeah, I understand... But I didnt use any medicines back then. Its funny really but I had a perfect health, a beautiful skin and a perfect weight (and yes, a perfect body too) in the first year of the vegetarian diet... Then it went downhill... Now I know it was me getting way too little protein, so my liver suffered. Thats how it is to lack protein in body, the inner organs suffer then, when it have gone long enough time. And I guess if the inner organs suffer, then one cant get out toxins as good as if everything inside works as it should. I still miss the strong body I had in the start of the vegetarian diet. I was doing weightlifting so I probably put a huge pressure on my body. Weightlifting and getting too little protein, duh. Now I am much wiser.....I know now one have to know that the protein intake is okay if one do weighlifting....well, one should be sure about the protein intake at any time. Anyway that was partly why I got so much better when I was 8 months on big dosage of chlorella. The high quality protein in it fed my muscles. I could feel it literally. Plus it of course did detoxify. Oh well, life is about learning of mistakes. W9 herbal remedies , " zoomom9 " <zoomom9> wrote: > herbal remedies , " walkyria9 " <wisdom9@g...> > wrote: > > After I was vegetarian 5 years, I got multiple chemical allergy > > (yes, funny enough the vegetarian diet triggered that), so I know all > >that stuff Jan talk about. > > > W9 > > ********* > My MCS trigger was thru Dr. prescribed chemical pharmaceuticals. Its > been over 5 years since I've taken any type of chemical drug, and I > hope to never take another. > > Had I known then, what I know now, I would never have taken the drugs > in the first place. The chemicals they use to make " medicines " are > quite toxic, so its no wonder they can cause so much damage/harm, and > have very long lists of " known " side-effects. > > What started out as side-effects from one drug, led to more drugs, > until I was so full of their chemicals, and became so toxic, they > thought I would sooner or later test " positive " for thyroid disease, > autoimmune problems, and/or lupus. (of course, they didn't tell me > that there are over 100 drugs already that are known to cause drug- > induced lupus) Until they could " get " a " positive " diagnosis thru > testing tho, I was labeled " idiopathic " , which means from unknown > causes. Its a favorite term nowadays, in the medical field, to > describe the " reasons " for all these diseases/symptoms cropping up > everywhere. > > Funny how the " diseases/symptoms " went out the window, when I quit > all their drugs " against medical advice " . Unfortunately, it took me > 4 1/2 years of their " treatments " , before I wised-up enough to quit > listening to them. If I hadn't taken my health into my own hands, > I'm sure I would've evenutally ended up testing positive for one of > their autoiummune diseases. > > I'm still left with " sensitivity " to the coal tar/petrochems used in > the medicines, (many of which are derived from the same chems used in > everything else too), but I've gotten pretty good at avoiding them. > The occasional unintended/accidental exposures cause far less severe > reactions than they used to. > > FWIW > Jan / Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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