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I have to share my frustration and seek other advice.....I took my

son to the doctor today, just one more time thinking I might get a

real answer, to no avail! My 2 1/2 year old has had a rash for

about 2 months behind his knees, inside his elbows and all over his

back. It's not consistent but rather blotchy raised bumps that get

enflamed and itchy. Doc says it's atopical dermatis and gave me a

prescription for a topical steroid. That may be all well and good

but what I wanted to know was HOW DID HE GET IT? Is it food

related, (I think he may have allergies, particulary milk.) is it an

environmental irritant, should I be using a milder soap on him, did

he know of any more " natural " products such as oatmeal baths or aloe

vera gels? Nothing! He was completely clueless! I live in rural

Iowa and I don't have any educated sources available to me in

natural medicine and I feel so frustrated! :)

 

Can anyone refer me to a source of information or online alternative

medicine doc that will answer questions for me?

 

Feeling completely hopeless...

Elisa

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Elisa <bearstake wrote:

I have to share my frustration and seek other advice.....I took my son to the doctor today, just one more time thinking I might get a real answer, to no avail! My 2 1/2 year old has had a rash for about 2 months behind his knees, inside his elbows and all over his back. It's not consistent but rather blotchy raised bumps that get enflamed and itchy. Doc says it's atopical dermatis and gave me a prescription for a topical steroid. That may be all well and good but what I wanted to know was HOW DID HE GET IT? Is it food related, (I think he may have allergies, particulary milk.) is it an environmental irritant, should I be using a milder soap on him, did he know of any more "natural" products such as oatmeal baths or aloe vera gels? Nothing! He was completely clueless! I live in rural

Iowa and I don't have any educated sources available to me in natural medicine and I feel so frustrated! :)Can anyone refer me to a source of information or online alternative medicine doc that will answer questions for me?Feeling completely hopeless...ElisaFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products

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Hi Elisa,

 

Only source I know is Doc himself LOL.

 

If you suspect it might be dairy related, why not try it out and stop all dairy products? If it is that, it should clear up the skin within a few days. The best alternative to dairy milk is home made almond milk!

 

Often such possible allergy questions are simply trial and error: try cutting out one thing and see if anything changes. If not, you don't have the right one.

 

Meanwhile, use Doc's Herbal First Aid Salve on the rash.

 

love

Lisa

 

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Herbal Remedies - Went to the doc today- Venting!

I have to share my frustration and seek other advice.....I took my son to the doctor today, just one more time thinking I might get a real answer, to no avail! My 2 1/2 year old has had a rash for about 2 months behind his knees, inside his elbows and all over his back. It's not consistent but rather blotchy raised bumps that get enflamed and itchy. Doc says it's atopical dermatis and gave me a prescription for a topical steroid. That may be all well and good but what I wanted to know was HOW DID HE GET IT? Is it food related, (I think he may have allergies, particulary milk.) is it an environmental irritant, should I be using a milder soap on him, did he know of any more "natural" products such as oatmeal baths or aloe vera gels? Nothing! He was completely clueless! I live in rural Iowa and I don't have any educated sources available to me in natural medicine and I feel so frustrated! :)Can anyone refer me to a source of information or online alternative medicine doc that will answer questions for me?Feeling completely hopeless...Elisa

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I know I'd get rashes like that when I was overheated and sweating as a

child. Also as an adult I would get them when I had too much sugar. Maybe

check that out. By check it out I mean read all the ingredients to

everything you feed your baby.

 

Zeb

 

 

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Heat rash ?- allergic to his own sweat?-- I have a 5 yr old daughter who also get itchy rashes in those locations as well as at the base of her head and neck. She tends to be sensitive to different soaps & shampoos. I generally have to avoid anything and just wash her with water. Even some of the all natural products I've found cause problems. She itches something awful and at times she gets sores from scratching. I use dilute lavender oil on her and it works great. It doesn't have to be diluted but its a little more economical to dilute it.

 

My husband is also susceptible to itchy rashes - the dermatologist & dr. just said it was an allergy of some sort. He only has a problem when it gets hot. He works outside and sweats a great deal - so the theory was it was his sweat and air pollution that was causing the rash. I haven't tried lavender oil on him yet. We did change his soaps & shampoos and that has helped.

 

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Elisa,

 

I am a little late with my response so forgive me if I

repeat anything someone else has already told you.

 

First off, do a search on eczema (that is a more

common name for atopic dermatitis). I really think

that doctors will use the name atopic dermatitis when

they first diagnose eczema and if it persists then

they will use the term eczema (this is just my own

personal observation). I have had eczema for almost 30

years and have been able to control it for the past

few years with diet. Your best bet with your son is to

try an elimination diet. My problem is wheat/gluton so

I avoid it as best I can. I also eat only organic

whole food (no processed foods) and grass-fed beef.

This alone has made a huge difference in the health of

my entire family, not just me. My kids are never sick

and I think it's due to their diet of organic food and

very little sugar.

 

Do not use any of the prescription meds that the

doctor may give you!!! The steroids can permanently

damage the skin and who knows what they will do

systemically (adrenal problems?). As for the other

creams (Elidel and Protopic), studies has shown a link

to cancer with them (lymphoma for children and skin

cancer for adults). Oatmeal baths and coconut oil can

help with the dryness. I know the itching can be

horrific but go the route of finding out if he is

bothered by certain foods.

 

BTW, a friends daughter is " allergic " to milk but has

no problem with raw milk.

 

Good luck!

 

>>I have to share my frustration and seek other

advice.....I took my

son to the doctor today, just one more time thinking I

might get a

real answer, to no avail! My 2 1/2 year old has had a

rash for

about 2 months behind his knees, inside his elbows and

all over his

back. It's not consistent but rather blotchy raised

bumps that get

enflamed and itchy. Doc says it's atopical dermatis

and gave me a

prescription for a topical steroid. That may be all

well and good

but what I wanted to know was HOW DID HE GET IT? Is

it food

related, (I think he may have allergies, particulary

milk.) is it an

environmental irritant, should I be using a milder

soap on him, did

he know of any more " natural " products such as oatmeal

baths or aloe

vera gels? Nothing! He was completely clueless! I

live in rural

Iowa and I don't have any educated sources available

to me in

natural medicine and I feel so frustrated! :)

 

Can anyone refer me to a source of information or

online alternative

medicine doc that will answer questions for me?

 

Feeling completely hopeless...

Elisa<<

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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herbal remedies , " Elisa " <bearstake>

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> My 2 1/2 year old has had a rash for about 2 months behind his

>knees, inside his elbows and all over his back. It's not consistent

>but rather blotchy raised bumps that get enflamed and itchy.

 

> That may be all well and good but what I wanted to know was HOW DID

>HE GET IT? Is it food related, (I think he may have allergies,

>particulary milk.) is it an environmental irritant, should I be

>using a milder soap on him, did he know of any more " natural "

>products such as oatmeal baths or aloe vera gels?

> Elisa

 

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Some things to try, if you haven't already....

 

Use a natural fragrance/dye-free laundry detergent to clean

clothes/bedding and do NOT use fabric softeners. The chems in the

softeners are very irritating to skin, and because they are designed

to remain in the fabrics (to prevent static-cling, soften, and keep

scent), when the skin is rubbed by the fabrics, or starts sweating,

this makes the chems even more irritating.

 

Use chem-free soap/shampoo/lotions if you use these items on the

child. Again, when clothing starts rubbing on the skin, or the skin

starts to sweat, the chemicals will be more irritating in those areas.

 

Try fabrics that don't have " permanent finishes " . (like flame

retardants/stain-soil repellents/wrinkle resistance) These

treatments use heavy-duty chems that are permanently bound to the

fabric fibers, many of which contain various formaldehydes, which are

well known skin sensitizers. Formaldehyde is also used in

most " natural fabrics " as a temporary finish too, so if wearing new

clothes or using new bedding, wash them at least 3 times beforehand,

to remove this temporary finish.

 

Try natural fabrics (cotton/ramie/silk/linen) rather than synthetics

petro/plastics like arcylic/polyester etc. The natural fabrics allow

skin to breathe, and the synthetics tend to suffocate skin and make

it sweat more.

 

If the child takes any " pharmaceuticals " , check to see if it may be a

side-effect of them. (very common in medicines)

 

If the rashes don't clear up, then look for dietary triggers. Many

things in diets (whether chemical additives or food allergies) can

cause skin eruptions of all types. Keep track of both foods and

food " ingredients " that could be causing problems.

 

Hope this helps.... I know of several people (myself included) that

have cleared up chronic skin conditions with a bit of detective

work. Many of us found that the skin was affected by

BOTH " environmental chemicals " and various " diet ingredients " , so

looking at all aspects is your best bet at finding the culprit(s).

 

Jan / Michigan

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While researching what the others mentioned about possible

allergic reactions I'ld put the kid on burdock root tea. That is a

classic for skin conditions. A nice skin salve of some type would be

soothing on the irritated parts too. You might want to switch to a

vinegar skin wash rather than soap for a few days if you suspect the

soap is causing it.

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Yes I agree on Jan's advices.

 

And also get soap that is homemade. Pure olive oil soap for example.

 

After I was vegetarian 5 years, I got multiple chemical allergy (yes,

funny enough the vegetarian diet triggered that), so I know all that

stuff Jan talk about.

 

And many kids is very sensitive today, because they are not born into

an environemental healthy earth, like our grandparents did.

 

W9

 

herbal remedies , " zoomom9 " <zoomom9> wrote:

> herbal remedies , " Elisa " <bearstake>

> wrote:

> > My 2 1/2 year old has had a rash for about 2 months behind his

> >knees, inside his elbows and all over his back. It's not consistent

> >but rather blotchy raised bumps that get enflamed and itchy.

>

> > That may be all well and good but what I wanted to know was HOW DID

> >HE GET IT? Is it food related, (I think he may have allergies,

> >particulary milk.) is it an environmental irritant, should I be

> >using a milder soap on him, did he know of any more " natural "

> >products such as oatmeal baths or aloe vera gels?

> > Elisa

>

> *********

> Some things to try, if you haven't already....

>

> Use a natural fragrance/dye-free laundry detergent to clean

> clothes/bedding and do NOT use fabric softeners. The chems in the

> softeners are very irritating to skin, and because they are designed

> to remain in the fabrics (to prevent static-cling, soften, and keep

> scent), when the skin is rubbed by the fabrics, or starts sweating,

> this makes the chems even more irritating.

>

> Use chem-free soap/shampoo/lotions if you use these items on the

> child. Again, when clothing starts rubbing on the skin, or the skin

> starts to sweat, the chemicals will be more irritating in those areas.

>

> Try fabrics that don't have " permanent finishes " . (like flame

> retardants/stain-soil repellents/wrinkle resistance) These

> treatments use heavy-duty chems that are permanently bound to the

> fabric fibers, many of which contain various formaldehydes, which are

> well known skin sensitizers. Formaldehyde is also used in

> most " natural fabrics " as a temporary finish too, so if wearing new

> clothes or using new bedding, wash them at least 3 times beforehand,

> to remove this temporary finish.

>

> Try natural fabrics (cotton/ramie/silk/linen) rather than synthetics

> petro/plastics like arcylic/polyester etc. The natural fabrics allow

> skin to breathe, and the synthetics tend to suffocate skin and make

> it sweat more.

>

> If the child takes any " pharmaceuticals " , check to see if it may be a

> side-effect of them. (very common in medicines)

>

> If the rashes don't clear up, then look for dietary triggers. Many

> things in diets (whether chemical additives or food allergies) can

> cause skin eruptions of all types. Keep track of both foods and

> food " ingredients " that could be causing problems.

>

> Hope this helps.... I know of several people (myself included) that

> have cleared up chronic skin conditions with a bit of detective

> work. Many of us found that the skin was affected by

> BOTH " environmental chemicals " and various " diet ingredients " , so

> looking at all aspects is your best bet at finding the culprit(s).

>

> Jan / Michigan

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I have this problem; it is caused by a

very common candida bacterial infection, that can be treated by use of creams/oils

and talcs that treat athletes’ foot. It is important to keep the areas

clean and dry

 

I hope that this will help you.

 

 

Marion

Ghosh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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24 May 2005 11:27

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Went to the doc today- Venting!

 

 

 

Heat rash ?- allergic to his own sweat?-- I have a 5

yr old daughter who also get itchy rashes in those locations as well as at the

base of her head and neck. She tends to be sensitive to different soaps

& shampoos. I generally have to avoid anything and just wash her with

water. Even some of the all natural products I've found cause problems.

She itches something awful and at times she gets sores from scratching. I

use dilute lavender oil on her and it works great. It doesn't have to be

diluted but its a little more economical to dilute it.

 

 

 

 

 

My husband is also susceptible to itchy rashes - the

dermatologist & dr. just said it was an allergy of some sort. He only

has a problem when it gets hot. He works outside and sweats a great deal

- so the theory was it was his sweat and air pollution that was causing the

rash. I haven't tried lavender oil on him yet. We did change his

soaps & shampoos and that has helped.

 

 

 

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Not only that, but you also have new furniture that give off

formaldehyde and when one paint a room. Also those plates made of wood

splinters? (not sure about the english word for that wood powder/chip

thing) and glue. The glue can have formaldehyde and this will give off

formaldehyde for years. Many new furniture is made of those plates.

 

These water-solutable paints is something of the worst thing I can

smell. Boy I get sick then. I read somewhere there is 700 chemicals in

that stuff (if I remember right then, I cant remember where I read it,

but I remember I told my father who refuse to understand that

water-solutable paints is not good for health, heh).

 

Many studies have shown that kids should NOT sleep in a room painted

with those paints or have furniture that give off formaldehyde, or

have those plates on the walls. They get very sick of that.

 

So another reason for buying second-hand old furniture or furniture

made of wood alone and not painted, and use natural paints, and wood

on walls etc, yes?

 

W9

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " walkyria9 " <wisdom9@g...> wrote:

> Yes I agree on Jan's advices.

>

> And also get soap that is homemade. Pure olive oil soap for example.

>

> After I was vegetarian 5 years, I got multiple chemical allergy (yes,

> funny enough the vegetarian diet triggered that), so I know all that

> stuff Jan talk about.

>

> And many kids is very sensitive today, because they are not born into

> an environemental healthy earth, like our grandparents did.

>

> W9

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Hi W9, Depending on when your chemical allergies turned up (when you

went vegetarian?) they could have been detoxing symptoms rather than

allergies. When a body detoxes it will often " run out " these things from

the body, and they'll come out any elimination channel they can,

including the skin! :)

 

Best,

Kelli

 

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| [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of walkyria9

| Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:27 PM

| herbal remedies

| Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting!

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| Yes I agree on Jan's advices.

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| And also get soap that is homemade. Pure olive oil soap for example.

|

| After I was vegetarian 5 years, I got multiple chemical allergy (yes,

| funny enough the vegetarian diet triggered that), so I know all that

| stuff Jan talk about.

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Along the same lines, I used to smoke, I quit 10 years ago, now I have all kinds of allergies I didn't use to have, I attribute it to stopping smoking, since that is when the allergies began to show up. Any ideas on this?

Thanks,

Lynn

 

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RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting!

Hi W9, Depending on when your chemical allergies turned up (when youwent vegetarian?) they could have been detoxing symptoms rather thanallergies. When a body detoxes it will often "run out" these things fromthe body, and they'll come out any elimination channel they can,including the skin! :)Best,Kelli | | herbal remedies | [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of walkyria9| Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:27 PM| herbal remedies | Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting!| | Yes I agree on Jan's advices. | | And also get soap that is homemade. Pure olive oil soap for example. | | After I was vegetarian 5 years, I got multiple chemical allergy (yes,| funny enough the vegetarian diet triggered that), so I know all that| stuff Jan talk about. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Well....

 

I did one mistake, and that was that I didnt get enough protein at

all. For several years.

 

With other words, the lack of protein did it. I got the MCS in the end

of the vegetarian diet, so your theory doesnt fit.

 

And the reason to why my diet didnt have enough protein was because I

believed in those vegetarians who yell that we get too much protein

blablabla....

 

I believe the bloodtype diet is true somehow...when I started to eat

abit meat again, I felt abit better.

 

Anyway its possible to be a bloodtype 0 vegetarian but I havent been

able to figure out that yet, hence I eat some meat sometimes.

 

Plus, there is a big group on net who say being total vegetarian and

vegan is dangerous, because some people is not meant to be

vegetarian/vegan, and suffer of malnutrition. I believe in them too......

 

There have been one case where a mother ate only vegan diet and had no

milk to nurse the baby and then fed the baby vegan stuff and the baby

died, and many other cases where vegans lost hair and got loose teeth

and many other health problems.

 

I dont believe in fanaticism when its about vegetarianism. And I have

met enough vegetarians/vegans to see that some of them become freaks

with time. Also, some of those vegetarians I know, have already got

first symptom on malnutrition and that is that they are losing alot of

hair. That happens after some years on vegetarian diet for those who

need protein from animal sources.

 

If I offend anyone with what I said above, I apologize for that. But I

stand on what I mean, because I do not like fanaticism in any groups

in society.

 

And I have Dalai Lama on my side actually. He say he have to eat abit

meat now and then because he cant keep his health optimal without a

little meat sometimes. And he should be the one who tried everything

when its about vegetarism, since buddhists normally doesnt eat

anything with a face on because of their principles.

 

W9

 

herbal remedies , " Kelli Bever " <kelli@c...> wrote:

>

> Hi W9, Depending on when your chemical allergies turned up (when you

> went vegetarian?) they could have been detoxing symptoms rather than

> allergies. When a body detoxes it will often " run out " these things from

> the body, and they'll come out any elimination channel they can,

> including the skin! :)

>

> Best,

> Kelli

>

> |

> | herbal remedies

> | [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of walkyria9

> | Wednesday, May 25, 2005 10:27 PM

> | herbal remedies

> | Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting!

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> | Yes I agree on Jan's advices.

> |

> | And also get soap that is homemade. Pure olive oil soap for example.

> |

> | After I was vegetarian 5 years, I got multiple chemical allergy (yes,

> | funny enough the vegetarian diet triggered that), so I know all that

> | stuff Jan talk about.

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Ok, my MCS (Multiple Chemical Sensitivity for those who dont know) got

better after I did Hulda Clark liver cleanse. I did it twice, once a

year..and will do it soon again.

 

I like their site very much, because they say allergies can be because

of liver have stored alot of cholesterol stones, so when you get rid

of that, the allergies will get better. True in my case.

 

Oh and they have alot of other advices about not using products with

chemicals...Hulda Clark mean we poison ourself with products like

lotion, deodorants, shampoo etc etc.....so its a good site yes.

 

I dont know if its allowed to post link to sites here so google the

words hulda clark liver cleanse and you find it quick...

 

W9

 

herbal remedies , " Lynn " <l_Rivarde@h...> wrote:

> Along the same lines, I used to smoke, I quit 10 years ago, now I

have all kinds of allergies I didn't use to have, I attribute it to

stopping smoking, since that is when the allergies began to show up.

Any ideas on this?

> Thanks,

> Lynn

> -

> Kelli Bever<kelli@c...>

> To:

herbal remedies <herbal remedies >

> Thursday, May 26, 2005 12:01 PM

> RE: Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting!

>

>

>

> Hi W9, Depending on when your chemical allergies turned up (when you

> went vegetarian?) they could have been detoxing symptoms rather than

> allergies. When a body detoxes it will often " run out " these

things from

> the body, and they'll come out any elimination channel they can,

> including the skin! :)

>

> Best,

> Kelli

>

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Well, just as some background on my theory on this, I just discovered this new healthy lifestyle 2 1/2 yrs ago. Previous to my first body cleanse my seasonal allergies were getting so bad that I would be non-functional for a few days each season, although I'd refuse to take any meds for it. After my very first body cleanse, my allergies were gone.

 

I personally believe that allergies are the reaction of an overwhelmed body fighting back against toxins in the environment. If the body's not completely overwhelmed, then it can handle an occassional toxin here or there. Once it's overwhelmed, though, the toxins become a survival problem for the body and then it starts fighting back. At some point it probably becomes so overwhelmed that it doesn't even bother fighting back anymore. (And then you're on a slippery slope!)

 

It's kind of like, what's the difference between "lots of fun things going on" and "stress!" Some people are easily stressed out, and others can take a lot of random things occurring and have fun with it. It's not that one's right and the other's not, but it's obviously not fun to be stressed. I think of bodies similarly - they have different limits to how many "fun things going on" they can take (it's a beautiful time to be outside when the trees are in bloom!) before it becomes too stressful for them.

 

So, my theory, just based on what you've said, Lynn, is that after you stopped smoking your body was finally able to start fighting back again. Depending on any other lifestyle changes you made (anything else you did to get healthy?) you could be detoxing as well.

 

Anyway, my comments are not based on any scientific data, but just my opinions based on my own experience on this.

 

Best,

Kelli

 

 

 

herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of LynnThursday, May 26, 2005 11:37 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting!

 

 

Along the same lines, I used to smoke, I quit 10 years ago, now I have all kinds of allergies I didn't use to have, I attribute it to stopping smoking, since that is when the allergies began to show up. Any ideas on this?

Thanks,

Lynn

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herbal remedies , " Lynn " <l_Rivarde@h...> wrote:

> Along the same lines, I used to smoke, I quit 10 years ago, now I

>have all kinds of allergies I didn't use to have, I attribute it to

>stopping smoking, since that is when the allergies began to show up.

>Any ideas on this?

> Thanks,

> Lynn

 

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Just curious... if while you were quitting smoking, if you may have

taken any chemical pharmaceuticals to help quit, or to help relieve

symptoms from quitting?

 

I have known a couple of people who quit smoking, that related their

new " sensitivities " to using the " quit smoking " drugs/patches, and/or

to " sleeping aid " drugs, and " anti-depressants " .

 

Just a thought.....

 

Jan / Michigan

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> After I was vegetarian 5 years, I got multiple chemical allergy >

(yes, funny enough the vegetarian diet triggered that), so I know all

>that stuff Jan talk about.

 

> W9

 

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My MCS trigger was thru Dr. prescribed chemical pharmaceuticals. Its

been over 5 years since I've taken any type of chemical drug, and I

hope to never take another.

 

Had I known then, what I know now, I would never have taken the drugs

in the first place. The chemicals they use to make " medicines " are

quite toxic, so its no wonder they can cause so much damage/harm, and

have very long lists of " known " side-effects.

 

What started out as side-effects from one drug, led to more drugs,

until I was so full of their chemicals, and became so toxic, they

thought I would sooner or later test " positive " for thyroid disease,

autoimmune problems, and/or lupus. (of course, they didn't tell me

that there are over 100 drugs already that are known to cause drug-

induced lupus) Until they could " get " a " positive " diagnosis thru

testing tho, I was labeled " idiopathic " , which means from unknown

causes. Its a favorite term nowadays, in the medical field, to

describe the " reasons " for all these diseases/symptoms cropping up

everywhere.

 

Funny how the " diseases/symptoms " went out the window, when I quit

all their drugs " against medical advice " . Unfortunately, it took me

4 1/2 years of their " treatments " , before I wised-up enough to quit

listening to them. If I hadn't taken my health into my own hands,

I'm sure I would've evenutally ended up testing positive for one of

their autoiummune diseases.

 

I'm still left with " sensitivity " to the coal tar/petrochems used in

the medicines, (many of which are derived from the same chems used in

everything else too), but I've gotten pretty good at avoiding them.

The occasional unintended/accidental exposures cause far less severe

reactions than they used to.

 

FWIW

Jan / Michigan

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Thanks, Jan.

I did use the patches, to quit, however these allergies weren't apparent at the beginning, seems the longer time goes on the more allergies. I don't discount your theory, but I quit 10 years ago and in the last 2 years the allergies have started to appear, so I wonder if that was or is the cause. I think 8 years is plenty of time for the body to cleanse itself of the nicotine from the patches. However there are long lasting effects from things. I know some doctors say you can't be allergic to smoke, I know better, if I'm around it for any length of time, I have to use herbal allergy extracts. Have a hard time breathing, could be the chemicals they put into the tobacco that is the addictive part.

Lynn

 

 

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herbal remedies , "Lynn" <l_Rivarde@h...> wrote:> Along the same lines, I used to smoke, I quit 10 years ago, now I >have all kinds of allergies I didn't use to have, I attribute it to >stopping smoking, since that is when the allergies began to show up. >Any ideas on this?> Thanks,> Lynn**********Just curious... if while you were quitting smoking, if you may have taken any chemical pharmaceuticals to help quit, or to help relieve symptoms from quitting?I have known a couple of people who quit smoking, that related their new "sensitivities" to using the "quit smoking" drugs/patches, and/or to "sleeping aid" drugs, and "anti-depressants".Just a thought.....Jan / MichiganFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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By the way, I take no medicines (precribed pharmacuticals), sleeping aids or no need for anti-depressents I just don't take anything except supplements occasionally, or on an as needed basis for herbs etc.

Lynn

 

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Herbal Remedies - Re: Went to the doc today- Venting!

herbal remedies , "Lynn" <l_Rivarde@h...> wrote:> Along the same lines, I used to smoke, I quit 10 years ago, now I >have all kinds of allergies I didn't use to have, I attribute it to >stopping smoking, since that is when the allergies began to show up. >Any ideas on this?> Thanks,> Lynn**********Just curious... if while you were quitting smoking, if you may have taken any chemical pharmaceuticals to help quit, or to help relieve symptoms from quitting?I have known a couple of people who quit smoking, that related their new "sensitivities" to using the "quit smoking" drugs/patches, and/or to "sleeping aid" drugs, and "anti-depressants".Just a thought.....Jan / MichiganFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

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Yeah, I understand...

 

But I didnt use any medicines back then. Its funny really but I had a

perfect health, a beautiful skin and a perfect weight (and yes, a

perfect body too) in the first year of the vegetarian diet...

 

Then it went downhill...

 

Now I know it was me getting way too little protein, so my liver

suffered. Thats how it is to lack protein in body, the inner organs

suffer then, when it have gone long enough time.

 

And I guess if the inner organs suffer, then one cant get out toxins

as good as if everything inside works as it should.

 

I still miss the strong body I had in the start of the vegetarian

diet. I was doing weightlifting so I probably put a huge pressure on

my body. Weightlifting and getting too little protein, duh. Now I am

much wiser.....I know now one have to know that the protein intake is

okay if one do weighlifting....well, one should be sure about the

protein intake at any time.

 

Anyway that was partly why I got so much better when I was 8 months on

big dosage of chlorella. The high quality protein in it fed my

muscles. I could feel it literally. Plus it of course did detoxify.

 

Oh well, life is about learning of mistakes.

 

W9

 

 

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " zoomom9 " <zoomom9> wrote:

> herbal remedies , " walkyria9 " <wisdom9@g...>

> wrote:

> > After I was vegetarian 5 years, I got multiple chemical allergy >

> (yes, funny enough the vegetarian diet triggered that), so I know all

> >that stuff Jan talk about.

>

> > W9

>

> *********

> My MCS trigger was thru Dr. prescribed chemical pharmaceuticals. Its

> been over 5 years since I've taken any type of chemical drug, and I

> hope to never take another.

>

> Had I known then, what I know now, I would never have taken the drugs

> in the first place. The chemicals they use to make " medicines " are

> quite toxic, so its no wonder they can cause so much damage/harm, and

> have very long lists of " known " side-effects.

>

> What started out as side-effects from one drug, led to more drugs,

> until I was so full of their chemicals, and became so toxic, they

> thought I would sooner or later test " positive " for thyroid disease,

> autoimmune problems, and/or lupus. (of course, they didn't tell me

> that there are over 100 drugs already that are known to cause drug-

> induced lupus) Until they could " get " a " positive " diagnosis thru

> testing tho, I was labeled " idiopathic " , which means from unknown

> causes. Its a favorite term nowadays, in the medical field, to

> describe the " reasons " for all these diseases/symptoms cropping up

> everywhere.

>

> Funny how the " diseases/symptoms " went out the window, when I quit

> all their drugs " against medical advice " . Unfortunately, it took me

> 4 1/2 years of their " treatments " , before I wised-up enough to quit

> listening to them. If I hadn't taken my health into my own hands,

> I'm sure I would've evenutally ended up testing positive for one of

> their autoiummune diseases.

>

> I'm still left with " sensitivity " to the coal tar/petrochems used in

> the medicines, (many of which are derived from the same chems used in

> everything else too), but I've gotten pretty good at avoiding them.

> The occasional unintended/accidental exposures cause far less severe

> reactions than they used to.

>

> FWIW

> Jan / Michigan

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