Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 I found this article, but do not wholehartily agree with it. My wife was taking Milk Thistle (at 420Mg of the silymarin content daily) for Hepatitis C, and consequently dropped her viral load from over a million to 99000 within a 6 month period Milk Thistle for Liver Disease: The Jury's Still Out, Researchers Say by John C. Martin Article 05-11-05 A commonly used alternative medicine has not been proven effective in reducing the chances of death for people with hepatitis B, C, or alcoholic liver disease. That's the conclusion of a group of researchers who conducted a review of previous clinical trials testing the alternative therapy, known as milk thistle (silymarin).1 " Our results question the beneficial effects of milk thistle for patients with alcoholic and/or hepatitis B or C virus liver diseases and highlight the lack of high-quality evidence to support this intervention., " wrote the study team led by Andrea Rambaldi, MD, a visiting researcher and Internal Medicine Specialist at the Centre for Clinical Intervention Research at Copenhagen University Hospital in Denmark. Plant's Seeds Being Studied Milk thistle is an alternative therapy commonly used as a dietary supplement in the United States, meaning it is not subject to FDA regulations as are drugs. Milk thistle an herbal plant whose active ingredient is known as silymarin (sill-ee-MARE-in), a flavonoid found in the plant's seeds that is being studied as a possible therapy for liver disease. Silymarin contains four structurally similar compounds, and silibinin is believed to be the most active. Researchers have studied the role that silibinin may play in the treatment of hepatitis and cirrhosis.2 Rambaldi and colleague Christian Gluud, MD, DMSc, at the Institute of Preventive Medicine at Copenhagen University Hospital have been conducting research for the past 15 years in liver disease. " We have been working on alternative drugs for liver diseases since 1999, " Rambaldi told Priority Healthcare in an e-mail interview. Checking for Positive Findings In their review of the medical literature on the efficacy and safety of milk thistle for people with liver disease, Rambaldi's team did find some studies that suggested the dietary supplement may significantly reduce liver-related mortality, but the findings were not confirmed in higher quality clinical trials. They did determine that milk thistle is safe with no serious side effects and with study participants perceiving an improvement in symptoms, though no greater than that perceived after taking a placebo. Rambaldi and her colleagues published their results in the latest issue of The Cochrane Library, a publication of the Cochrane Collaboration, an international organization that evaluates medical research. For their review, Rambaldi and her associates analyzed the findings of more than a dozen previously published randomized clinical trials involving 915 patients who had been treated with milk thistle or one of its extracts. The studies' participants had been diagnosed with acute or chronic alcoholic cirrhosis, liver fibrosis, hepatitis and/or steatosis, or hepatitis-induced liver disease. All of the trials analyzed for this study compared the effectiveness of milk thistle or one of its components with placebo (an ineffective intervention used as a comparison in clinical trials). The rest of the studies compared milk thistle or one of its extracts with no intervention. The trials were either blinded (neither patients nor clinicians knew which patients were given milk thistle or placebo) or unblinded (everyone knew which patients were receiving a specific intervention). The authors consulted several clinical trials registries, two well-known online databases, and performed full text searches as part of their analysis. Investigators from the previous studies were also contacted. Insufficient Evidence In the end, Rambaldi's team determined that the majority of the trials' methods were of low quality. Only about one-quarter of them were sufficiently blinded, they found. In addition, taken collectively, the studies reported that milk thistle had no more effect on a patient's risk of death, liver disease complications, or liver health than placebo. " Liver-related mortality was significantly reduced by milk thistle in all trials, but not in high-quality trials, " Rambaldi and her colleagues wrote. In conclusion, they wrote that their findings " highlight the lack of high-quality evidence to support this intervention " , and as such, " adequately conducted and reported randomized clinical trials on milk thistle versus placebo are needed. " The Jury's Still Out But Rambaldi isn't writing off milk thistle for people with liver disease just yet. " Milk thistle could be an interesting drug, " she said, adding that these future trials should include higher doses of silymarin to determine if this elicits more of an effect. Thomas Strickland, MD, PhD, a professor in the department of Epidemiology and Preventive Medicine at the University of Maryland, concurs. " I would certainly double it, " he says of the dose, " especially since at the current dose [typically 140 mg three times daily], we're not seeing any improvement in acute viral or chronic hepatitis, and we've shown that silymarin is totally safe. " Rambaldi added that " very few adverse events occurred in the articles we reviewed. " 1. Rambaldi A, Jacobs B, Iaquinto G, Gluud C. Milk thistle for alcoholic and/or hepatitis B or C virus liver diseases. Cochrane Database Syst Rev 2004 Apr 18;(2):CD003620. 2. National Cancer Institute. National Institutes of Health (NIH). Milk Thistle. Available at: http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/ milkthistle/HealthProfessional/page2. Accessed May 5, 2005. John Martin is a long-time health journalist and an editor for Priority Healthcare. His credits include coverage of health news for the website of Fox Television's The Health Network, and articles for the New York Post and other consumer and trade publications. 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Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 I have learned to be leery of studies of naturopathic treatment by medical teams... - " Jeffrey Sutton " <suttjef <herbal remedies > Friday, May 13, 2005 7:32 AM Herbal Remedies - Milk Thistle - The Jury is still out!! >I found this article, but do not wholehartily agree with it. My wife was > taking Milk Thistle (at 420Mg of the silymarin content daily) for > Hepatitis > C, and consequently dropped her viral load from over a million to 99000 > within a 6 month period > > Milk Thistle for Liver Disease: The Jury's Still Out, Researchers Say > > by John C. Martin > Article 05-11-05 > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2005 Report Share Posted May 13, 2005 Milk Thistle is a good protector of the liver but I don't think it can drop the viral load. Is there anything else that she was doing? --- Jeffrey Sutton <suttjef wrote: > I found this article, but do not wholehartily agree > with it. My wife was > taking Milk Thistle (at 420Mg of the silymarin > content daily) for Hepatitis > C, and consequently dropped her viral load from over > a million to 99000 > within a 6 month period > > Milk Thistle for Liver Disease: The Jury's > Still Out, Researchers Say > > by John C. Martin > Article 05-11-05 > > > > A commonly used alternative medicine has not been > proven effective in > reducing the chances of death for people with > hepatitis B, C, or alcoholic > liver disease. That's the conclusion of a group of > researchers who conducted > a review of previous clinical trials testing the > alternative therapy, known > as milk thistle (silymarin).1 > > " Our results question the beneficial effects of milk > thistle for patients > with alcoholic and/or hepatitis B or C virus liver > diseases and highlight > the lack of high-quality evidence to support this > intervention., " wrote the > study team led by Andrea Rambaldi, MD, a visiting > researcher and Internal > Medicine Specialist at the Centre for Clinical > Intervention Research at > Copenhagen University Hospital in Denmark. > > Plant's Seeds Being Studied > Milk thistle is an alternative therapy commonly used > as a dietary supplement > in the United States, meaning it is not subject to > FDA regulations as are > drugs. Milk thistle an herbal plant whose active > ingredient is known as > silymarin (sill-ee-MARE-in), a flavonoid found in > the plant's seeds that is > being studied as a possible therapy for liver > disease. Silymarin contains > four structurally similar compounds, and silibinin > is believed to be the > most active. Researchers have studied the role that > silibinin may play in > the treatment of hepatitis and cirrhosis.2 > > Rambaldi and colleague Christian Gluud, MD, DMSc, > at the Institute of > Preventive Medicine at Copenhagen University > Hospital have been conducting > research for the past 15 years in liver disease. " We > have been working on > alternative drugs for liver diseases since 1999, " > Rambaldi told Priority > Healthcare in an e-mail interview. > > Checking for Positive Findings > In their review of the medical literature on the > efficacy and safety of milk > thistle for people with liver disease, Rambaldi's > team did find some studies > that suggested the dietary supplement may > significantly reduce liver-related > mortality, but the findings were not confirmed in > higher quality clinical > trials. They did determine that milk thistle is safe > with no serious side > effects and with study participants perceiving an > improvement in symptoms, > though no greater than that perceived after taking a > placebo. Rambaldi and > her colleagues published their results in the latest > issue of The Cochrane > Library, a publication of the Cochrane > Collaboration, an international > organization that evaluates medical research. > > For their review, Rambaldi and her associates > analyzed the findings of more > than a dozen previously published randomized > clinical trials involving 915 > patients who had been treated with milk thistle or > one of its extracts. > > The studies' participants had been diagnosed with > acute or chronic alcoholic > cirrhosis, liver fibrosis, hepatitis and/or > steatosis, or hepatitis-induced > liver disease. > > All of the trials analyzed for this study compared > the effectiveness of milk > thistle or one of its components with placebo (an > ineffective intervention > used as a comparison in clinical trials). The rest > of the studies compared > milk thistle or one of its extracts with no > intervention. The trials were > either blinded (neither patients nor clinicians knew > which patients were > given milk thistle or placebo) or unblinded > (everyone knew which patients > were receiving a specific intervention). > > The authors consulted several clinical trials > registries, two well-known > online databases, and performed full text searches > as part of their > analysis. Investigators from the previous studies > were also contacted. > > Insufficient Evidence > In the end, Rambaldi's team determined that the > majority of the trials' > methods were of low quality. Only about one-quarter > of them were > sufficiently blinded, they found. In addition, taken > collectively, the > studies reported that milk thistle had no more > effect on a patient's risk of > death, liver disease complications, or liver health > than placebo. > > " Liver-related mortality was significantly reduced > by milk thistle in all > trials, but not in high-quality trials, " Rambaldi > and her colleagues wrote. > > In conclusion, they wrote that their findings > " highlight the lack of > high-quality evidence to support this intervention " , > and as such, > " adequately conducted and reported randomized > clinical trials on milk > thistle versus placebo are needed. " > > The Jury's Still Out > But Rambaldi isn't writing off milk thistle for > people with liver disease > just yet. " Milk thistle could be an interesting > drug, " she said, adding that > these future trials should include higher doses of > silymarin to determine if > this elicits more of an effect. > > Thomas Strickland, MD, PhD, a professor in the > department of Epidemiology > and Preventive Medicine at the University of > Maryland, concurs. " I would > certainly double it, " he says of the dose, > " especially since at the current > dose [typically 140 mg three times daily], we're not > seeing any improvement > in acute viral or chronic hepatitis, and we've shown > that silymarin is > totally safe. " > > Rambaldi added that " very few adverse events > occurred in the articles we > reviewed. " > > 1. Rambaldi A, Jacobs B, Iaquinto G, Gluud C. Milk > thistle for alcoholic > and/or hepatitis B or C virus liver diseases. > Cochrane Database Syst Rev > 2004 Apr 18;(2):CD003620. > 2. National Cancer Institute. National Institutes of > Health (NIH). Milk > Thistle. Available at: > http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/ > milkthistle/HealthProfessional/page2. Accessed May > 5, 2005. > > John Martin is a long-time health journalist and an > editor for Priority > Healthcare. His credits include coverage of health > news for the website of > Fox Television's The Health Network, and articles > for the New York Post and > other consumer and trade publications. > > > > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - > Release 12/05/2005 > Mail Mobile Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile./learn/mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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