Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Hey all! I need to vent and maybe get some advise too.... I just started getting into natural health and healing this past year, though I have been thinking about it for years! I am 32 now with a 8 year old little boy and a new DH! I have used conventional medicine, perscription and over the counter all my life. I have researched and prayed and read all about herbs and natural healing and I am TOTALLY sold on it!! Yet I find myself having a hard time " trusting " the natural healing ways over conventional medincine and what not. I am seeing now that I have been " trusting " conventional med all these years for myself and my son and now I am finding out that it isn't the best route and herbs, homeopathic, and naturopathic meds are best. BUT, I found myself scared to leaving it up to these healing ways this weekend while trying to heal my 8 year old son from nasal con., coughing and sore throat. I have been giving him vitamin C, garlic, collidal silver, rr leaf tea, echinacea-elderberry and yet last night at 2:30am when I had to sit up with him until 7:00am while he cried and was miserable I wanted to run to the grocery store to pick up some over the counter med that I " trust " would calm him and help him get better. Why don't I " trust " the natural path???????? The same goes for me, as I am just off the antidepressants and now starting the natural route for my panic disorder I find my self VERY SCARED to go natural. Has it just been drilled into me to feel safe with the medical doctors and over the counter drugs and now I am stepping into the unknown and it scares me?? Shouldn't it be the opposite.......scared of perscription and conventional med and feel safe with natural healing and its ways??? How do I reverse this feeling? Samantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 I would suggest you give it some time- it is not easy to change the conditioning of thirty some years overnight! Perhaps you might consider using the herbs to support and work along with the western medicine. Sometimes herbs are most powerful in a supporting role, strengthening the body system in question. If you can find a good herbalist, hopefully along with a doctor who is knowledgeable or at least accepting of herbal treatments, it might give you more confidence. And sometimes you just may need to reach for the children's tylenol or whatever, don't beat yourself up for it. There is a lot to be said for peace of mind in many situations. Peace, Khadijah herbal remedies , " samanthaspooler " <samanthaspooler> wrote: Yet I find myself having a hard > time " trusting " the natural healing ways over conventional medincine > and what not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 I am new to all this myself. I do not think over the counter stuff would help him any more than what you are doing. I have heard that you can cure strep throat with garlic, but I am not sure. My little one does not get sick very often, but If we can not take care of it at home, we have taken to the doctor. She had strep throat and we put her on antibiotics.Natural methods were not taking care of it. Maybe everyone else will disagree with me, but I did what I had to do. Hey all! I need to vent and maybe get some advise too....I just started getting into natural health and healing this past year, though I have been thinking about it for years! I am 32 now with a 8 year old little boy and a new DH! I have used conventional medicine, perscription and over the counter all my life. I have researched and prayed and read all about herbs and natural healing and I am TOTALLY sold on it!! Yet I find myself having a hard time "trusting" the natural healing ways over conventional medincine and what not. I am seeing now that I have been "trusting" conventional med all these years for myself and my son and now I am finding out that it isn't the best route and herbs, homeopathic, and naturopathic meds are best. BUT, I found myself scared to leaving it up to these healing ways this weekend while trying to heal my 8 year old son from nasal con., coughing and sore throat. I have been giving him vitamin C, garlic, collidal silver, rr leaf tea, echinacea-elderberry and yet last night at 2:30am when I had to sit up with him until 7:00am while he cried and was miserable I wanted to run to the grocery store to pick up some over the counter med that I "trust" would calm him and help him get better. Why don't I "trust" the natural path???????? The same goes for me, as I am just off the antidepressants and now starting the natural route for my panic disorder I find my self VERY SCARED to go natural. Has it just been drilled into me to feel safe with the medical doctors and over the counter drugs and now I am stepping into the unknown and it scares me?? Shouldn't it be the opposite.......scared of perscription and conventional med and feel safe with natural healing and its ways??? How do I reverse this feeling?SamanthaFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 I think what is "funny" in all of this, which, as you state, is simply part of the American mindset, is that we have, all our lives, trusted medicine. We have been brain washed to think that it is safe, wise and good for us. However, if you look at history and the numerous failures of modern medicine (most recently vioxx, that had been touted as the answer for inflammation), we would see that, truly, the safety of medicine is a "hoax" in a way. Let's add to that list birth control pills and the rapid rise of cancer in women since its inception. I am sure if we put our brains together, we could create a list that would fill an encyclopedia of medical field failures. Many people frown on my use of things like Kombucha Tea or Kefir. My argument to them is "Both these and the other herbs I take have been around for centuries if not milleneums. Vioxx was around for 20 years. Ibuprofin, which they are saying could cause problems (and we know the problems it causes liver function) has been around for how long? I think I will stick with tried and true methods that date WAYYYYYYYYY back!" *wink* - Khadijah herbal remedies Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:58 PM Herbal Remedies - Re: changing mental attitude I would suggest you give it some time- it is not easy to change the conditioning of thirty some years overnight! Perhaps you might consider using the herbs to support and work along with the western medicine. Sometimes herbs are most powerful in a supporting role, strengthening the body system in question. If you can find a good herbalist, hopefully along with a doctor who is knowledgeable or at least accepting of herbal treatments, it might give you more confidence. And sometimes you just may need to reach for the children's tylenol or whatever, don't beat yourself up for it. There is a lot to be said for peace of mind in many situations.Peace,Khadijahherbal remedies , "samanthaspooler" <samanthaspooler> wrote:Yet I find myself having a hard > time "trusting" the natural healing ways over conventional medincine > and what not. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Oh I dont mean to fill the mail boxes but here goes - you wrote: She had strep throat and we put her on antibiotics.Natural methods were not taking care of it. Maybe everyone else will disagree with me, but I did what I had to do. IMO, I think we put our head in the sand and get out of balance if we throw out ALL of medicine. There HAVE been great strides made by medicine from which we can benefit, IMO! (My mom shares horror stories of polio before the vaccine). We simply need wisdom. We are a pill popping society who will take an aspirin at the first sign of any pain. We want a pill to fix everything and, sometimes, a pill IS necessary but I think we need to let nature take its course, for a bit, before we run to the counter or the doctor. IMO! ) - Dawn Hunt herbal remedies Sunday, May 01, 2005 1:01 AM Re: Herbal Remedies - changing mental attitude I am new to all this myself. I do not think over the counter stuff would help him any more than what you are doing. I have heard that you can cure strep throat with garlic, but I am not sure. My little one does not get sick very often, but If we can not take care of it at home, we have taken to the doctor. She had strep throat and we put her on antibiotics.Natural methods were not taking care of it. Maybe everyone else will disagree with me, but I did what I had to do. Hey all! I need to vent and maybe get some advise too....I just started getting into natural health and healing this past year, though I have been thinking about it for years! I am 32 now with a 8 year old little boy and a new DH! I have used conventional medicine, perscription and over the counter all my life. I have researched and prayed and read all about herbs and natural healing and I am TOTALLY sold on it!! Yet I find myself having a hard time "trusting" the natural healing ways over conventional medincine and what not. I am seeing now that I have been "trusting" conventional med all these years for myself and my son and now I am finding out that it isn't the best route and herbs, homeopathic, and naturopathic meds are best. BUT, I found myself scared to leaving it up to these healing ways this weekend while trying to heal my 8 year old son from nasal con., coughing and sore throat. I have been giving him vitamin C, garlic, collidal silver, rr leaf tea, echinacea-elderberry and yet last night at 2:30am when I had to sit up with him until 7:00am while he cried and was miserable I wanted to run to the grocery store to pick up some over the counter med that I "trust" would calm him and help him get better. Why don't I "trust" the natural path???????? The same goes for me, as I am just off the antidepressants and now starting the natural route for my panic disorder I find my self VERY SCARED to go natural. Has it just been drilled into me to feel safe with the medical doctors and over the counter drugs and now I am stepping into the unknown and it scares me?? Shouldn't it be the opposite.......scared of perscription and conventional med and feel safe with natural healing and its ways??? How do I reverse this feeling?SamanthaFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2005 Report Share Posted May 1, 2005 Do not feel guilty about consulting a Dr. when the condition is serious and especially, if it involves children. Strep throat is one of those conditions. Perhaps sometime in the near future, allopathic medicine and natural medicine will work together to treat and cure all ailments. For now, we have to educate ourselves so that we know enough to be able to make the choices of when to use natural means and when to call on the Dr. We all have to start taking charge of our own health considering the hold ($) the drug companies seem to have on the medical community and with most of us having all the resources available to us on the wide-world-web, there is no excuse not to know the side effects of drugs, the benefits of herbs and homeopathy as well as the effect they may have on one another. Kudos to you for knowing when to call on an expert in medicine. I'll get off my soapbox now, Pink > > I am new to all this myself. I do not think over the counter stuff would help him any more than what you are doing. I have heard that you can cure strep throat with garlic, but I am not sure. My little one does not get sick very often, but If we can not take care of it at home, we have taken to the doctor. She had strep throat and we put her on antibiotics.Natural methods were not taking care of it. Maybe everyone else will disagree with me, but I did what I had to do. > > > Hey all! I need to vent and maybe get some advise too.... > I just started getting into natural health and healing this past > year, though I have been thinking about it for years! I am 32 now > with a 8 year old little boy and a new DH! I have used conventional > medicine, perscription and over the counter all my life. I have > researched and prayed and read all about herbs and natural healing > and I am TOTALLY sold on it!! Yet I find myself having a hard > time " trusting " the natural healing ways over conventional medincine > and what not. I am seeing now that I have been " trusting " > conventional med all these years for myself and my son and now I am > finding out that it isn't the best route and herbs, homeopathic, and > naturopathic meds are best. BUT, I found myself scared to leaving it > up to these healing ways this weekend while trying to heal my 8 year > old son from nasal con., coughing and sore throat. I have been > giving him vitamin C, garlic, collidal silver, rr leaf tea, > echinacea-elderberry and yet last night at 2:30am when I had to sit > up with him until 7:00am while he cried and was miserable I wanted > to run to the grocery store to pick up some over the counter med > that I " trust " would calm him and help him get better. Why don't > I " trust " the natural path???????? The same goes for me, as I am > just off the antidepressants and now starting the natural route for > my panic disorder I find my self VERY SCARED to go natural. Has it > just been drilled into me to feel safe with the medical doctors and > over the counter drugs and now I am stepping into the unknown and it > scares me?? Shouldn't it be the opposite.......scared of > perscription and conventional med and feel safe with natural healing > and its ways??? How do I reverse this feeling? > Samantha > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > - ----------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 AGREE!! Best regards Deana Karen Clark wrote: > Oh I dont mean to fill the mail boxes but here goes - > > you wrote: > > /She had strep throat and we put her on antibiotics.Natural methods > were not taking care of it. Maybe everyone else will disagree with me, > but I did what I had to do./ > // > IMO, I think we put our head in the sand and get out of balance if we > throw out ALL of medicine. There HAVE been great strides made by > medicine from which we can benefit, IMO! (My mom shares horror > stories of polio before the vaccine). We simply need wisdom. We are a > pill popping society who will take an aspirin at the first sign of any > pain. We want a pill to fix everything and, sometimes, a pill IS > necessary but I think we need to let nature take its course, for a > bit, before we run to the counter or the doctor. IMO! ) > > > > > > - > ** Dawn Hunt <dawnhunt1 > *To:* herbal remedies > <herbal remedies > > *Sent:* Sunday, May 01, 2005 1:01 AM > *Subject:* Re: Herbal Remedies - changing mental attitude > > > I am new to all this myself. I do not think over the counter stuff > would help him any more than what you are doing. I have heard that > you can cure strep throat with garlic, but I am not sure. My > little one does not get sick very often, but If we can not take > care of it at home, we have taken to the doctor. She had strep > throat and we put her on antibiotics.Natural methods were not > taking care of it. Maybe everyone else will disagree with me, but > I did what I had to do. > > > Hey all! I need to vent and maybe get some advise too.... > I just started getting into natural health and healing this past > year, though I have been thinking about it for years! I am 32 now > with a 8 year old little boy and a new DH! I have used > conventional > medicine, perscription and over the counter all my life. I have > researched and prayed and read all about herbs and natural > healing > and I am TOTALLY sold on it!! Yet I find myself having a hard > time " trusting " the natural healing ways over conventional > medincine > and what not. I am seeing now that I have been " trusting " > conventional med all these years for myself and my son and now > I am > finding out that it isn't the best route and herbs, > homeopathic, and > naturopathic meds are best. BUT, I found myself scared to > leaving it > up to these healing ways this weekend while trying to heal my > 8 year > old son from nasal con., coughing and sore throat. I have been > giving him vitamin C, garlic, collidal silver, rr leaf tea, > echinacea-elderberry and yet last night at 2:30am when I had > to sit > up with him until 7:00am while he cried and was miserable I > wanted > to run to the grocery store to pick up some over the counter med > that I " trust " would calm him and help him get better. Why don't > I " trust " the natural path???????? The same goes for me, as I am > just off the antidepressants and now starting the natural > route for > my panic disorder I find my self VERY SCARED to go natural. > Has it > just been drilled into me to feel safe with the medical > doctors and > over the counter drugs and now I am stepping into the unknown > and it > scares me?? Shouldn't it be the opposite.......scared of > perscription and conventional med and feel safe with natural > healing > and its ways??? How do I reverse this feeling? > Samantha > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using > any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own > physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post > here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, > and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their > own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or > products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List > Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using > any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own > physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post > here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, > and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their > own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or > products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List > Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician > and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as > long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any > person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products > from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and > members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > > ------ > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 Dear Samantha, 1. Lets start from the top. Before we had medical doctors what did we have? Right, herbalists, wise mothers etc and these were naturopaths. I want to say this though, popping a pill is like sweeping a mess under the rug. Sooner or later it will get out again. 2. Naturopathy handles what is causing the illness in the first place. This takes some time depending on several factors such as diet, age, environment, stability in ones environments, past " drug " /proscription history etc. 3. If you have a person on Cocaine or heroin for 2-3 years you will not get it all fixed overnight. You have a lot to repair once the drugs have been pushed out of the system. Please do not think that several over the counter drugs are any different. 4. Medical Doctors kill too many each year. What they cannot cure but have been involved in messing up are sent to psychiatry to cover up. What you hear about only are those with enough money and will power to fight back. Go have a look at a mental institution. Gross! 5. Read the book " Sugar Blues " this will give a very detailed history on sugar and where medicos first started popping onto the scene. 6. Get more information on Naturopathy, see what makes sense in all the information. If you cannot it means that there is some information that you have which is false, untrue and wrong. This information could have been picked up anywhere but it can be found. 7. Look at it from this view. Billions of Dollars are spent on drug adds that go into how these drugs will TAKE AWAY, and get this very clear, SYMPTOMS. The do not take out the cause. Watch the ads from a new perspective. Symptoms do not stop the person from getting worse. Symptoms are all about what people can see, hear, touch and smell. What you perceive is the problem goes away. 8. This only works in a country whose stupidity is so far developed that they no longer look at the obvious. We have one of the worse GPA in the world as a country yet we really are the best the world has to offer in terms of freedoms. 9. This Nation is so dumb that we accept learning abo9ut what drug does what thing as a base for home medicine. Schools give the street drug " SPEED " to the children in it so that they will calm down, which in small enough doses, works, not in calming but shutting the person down so much that they cannot even be themselves. This is prescribed by Doctors!!!!! And you worry about Naturopaths. Get doc's free lecture, its free! Listen to it. Decide if this is for you. When you do decide it is or isn't for you, stick with it. Look at it this way, if there were only medical doctors how would your future look? Sincerely, Zeb herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of samanthaspooler Saturday, April 30, 2005 9:13 PM herbal remedies Herbal Remedies - changing mental attitude Hey all! I need to vent and maybe get some advise too.... I just started getting into natural health and healing this past year, though I have been thinking about it for years! I am 32 now with a 8 year old little boy and a new DH! I have used conventional medicine, perscription and over the counter all my life. I have researched and prayed and read all about herbs and natural healing and I am TOTALLY sold on it!! Yet I find myself having a hard time " trusting " the natural healing ways over conventional medincine and what not. I am seeing now that I have been " trusting " conventional med all these years for myself and my son and now I am finding out that it isn't the best route and herbs, homeopathic, and naturopathic meds are best. BUT, I found myself scared to leaving it up to these healing ways this weekend while trying to heal my 8 year old son from nasal con., coughing and sore throat. I have been giving him vitamin C, garlic, collidal silver, rr leaf tea, echinacea-elderberry and yet last night at 2:30am when I had to sit up with him until 7:00am while he cried and was miserable I wanted to run to the grocery store to pick up some over the counter med that I " trust " would calm him and help him get better. Why don't I " trust " the natural path???????? The same goes for me, as I am just off the antidepressants and now starting the natural route for my panic disorder I find my self VERY SCARED to go natural. Has it just been drilled into me to feel safe with the medical doctors and over the counter drugs and now I am stepping into the unknown and it scares me?? Shouldn't it be the opposite.......scared of perscription and conventional med and feel safe with natural healing and its ways??? How do I reverse this feeling? Samantha Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2005 Report Share Posted May 2, 2005 > Samantha, I know how scary it can be to not trust conventional medicine. We look to doctors because they are supposed to be the authoritites who know what to do in each situation concerning our health. But what we have to realize is that they don't know everything. Most doctors refuse to see what natural medicine can do, and some will try to persuade you from doing it. You must trust your own instincts in what you do; you should know best of all what is right. Sometimes if something is serious enough that you are afraid to try herbal medicine, then seek a doctor's advice; don't wait until it gets too bad. Sometimes conventional medicine and herbal medicine work in conjunction with each other, but it is always good to get a doctor's advice before trying anything, then make your own decision. Remember, doctor get paid to give us advice, not to tell us how to run our lives concerning our own health! We are all here to help you. Anything else you need just ask. Jen the Tiger > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural > remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and > to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long > as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any > person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products > from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and > members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 BRAVO!!! I agree!! Zeb herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Karen Clark Sunday, May 01, 2005 11:36 AM herbal remedies Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: changing mental attitude I think what is " funny " in all of this, which, as you state, is simply part of the American mindset, is that we have, all our lives, trusted medicine. We have been brain washed to think that it is safe, wise and good for us. However, if you look at history and the numerous failures of modern medicine (most recently vioxx, that had been touted as the answer for inflammation), we would see that, truly, the safety of medicine is a " hoax " in a way. Let's add to that list birth control pills and the rapid rise of cancer in women since its inception. I am sure if we put our brains together, we could create a list that would fill an encyclopedia of medical field failures. Many people frown on my use of things like Kombucha Tea or Kefir. My argument to them is " Both these and the other herbs I take have been around for centuries if not milleneums. Vioxx was around for 20 years. Ibuprofin, which they are saying could cause problems (and we know the problems it causes liver function) has been around for how long? I think I will stick with tried and true methods that date WAYYYYYYYYY back! " *wink* - Khadijah herbal remedies Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:58 PM Herbal Remedies - Re: changing mental attitude I would suggest you give it some time- it is not easy to change the conditioning of thirty some years overnight! Perhaps you might consider using the herbs to support and work along with the western medicine. Sometimes herbs are most powerful in a supporting role, strengthening the body system in question. If you can find a good herbalist, hopefully along with a doctor who is knowledgeable or at least accepting of herbal treatments, it might give you more confidence. And sometimes you just may need to reach for the children's tylenol or whatever, don't beat yourself up for it. There is a lot to be said for peace of mind in many situations. Peace, Khadijah herbal remedies , " samanthaspooler " <samanthaspooler> wrote: Yet I find myself having a hard > time " trusting " the natural healing ways over conventional medincine > and what not. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 But there is nothing good about children's Tylenol. IF you give it to the kid...... who's peace of mind is it really for, yours?? And you'd poison your child for a little piece of mind. My my my we have truly been brainwashed world wide. Zeb Think about it guys, even beer companies have been able to sell their horrible brews laced with sugars (*which they NEVER were allowed to do in the 1600's on pain of being tarred and feather while kicked out of town) and swing it so that everyone thinks Beer when they think about friend. " Beer " when they think about relaxing, " Beer " when someone wants friends over, " Beer " when going to some game, " Beer " When playing pool or bowling balls, " Beer " after a good meal, " Beer " after work, " Beer " it won't hurt, " Beer " it's good for you, " Beer " helps thin the blood, etc. etc. etc. We are a brainwashed society. I continue to question why I watch so little TV. Then I see some ads and there are far more than used to be. OK, I'll leave be now. Zeb herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Khadijah Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:58 PM herbal remedies Herbal Remedies - Re: changing mental attitude I would suggest you give it some time- it is not easy to change the conditioning of thirty some years overnight! Perhaps you might consider using the herbs to support and work along with the western medicine. Sometimes herbs are most powerful in a supporting role, strengthening the body system in question. If you can find a good herbalist, hopefully along with a doctor who is knowledgeable or at least accepting of herbal treatments, it might give you more confidence. And sometimes you just may need to reach for the children's tylenol or whatever, don't beat yourself up for it. There is a lot to be said for peace of mind in many situations. Peace, Khadijah herbal remedies , " samanthaspooler " <samanthaspooler> wrote: Yet I find myself having a hard > time " trusting " the natural healing ways over conventional medincine > and what not. Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 so what do you suggest for newborns and babies for fever and pain? Thanks Deana Brown Zeb wrote: > But there is nothing good about children's Tylenol. IF you give it to the > kid...... who's peace of mind is it really for, yours?? And you'd poison > your child for a little piece of mind. My my my we have truly been > brainwashed world wide. > > > Zeb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 If you have a homeopathic, food store look their, theres all natural medicines especially for babies. Light & LoveCrystal Lioness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 I disagree with your vaccine argument. If you will dig down deep you will see vaccines did very little to rid America (or the world) of polio. By the time the vaccine came out the epidemic was already on a serious decline. Diseases manifest and then run there coarse and then eventually die out. You can fight off any infection with total tonic and Echinacea, even for a small child. Antibiotics cause havoc with your system as do vaccines. If you want more information on vaccines, I bought this fantastic DVD, made by a medical doctor who did over 6000 hours of research into this. It is quite revealing. http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=1703 There is a new reality emerging that we need to understand, it is called the truth. Everyday we are confronted with things that question our view of reality. We can dismiss them or we can try to understand them. When we keep an open mind and question why things are we learn a ton and expand our view of reality more towards what is real.... In the 1950's antibiotics were first pushed to the mainstream. Doctors declared that the end of all major diseases is just around the corner. Well we can see that was false.....but what we did see is a rise in re-current infections and the start of the yeast epidemic (maybe a little harsh wording)....don't get me wrong anti-biotics have saved peoples lives and in an emergency scenario, I am all for them if there are no alternatives available but we have abused them for profit. A small, but growing, portion of the population understands this. America spends the most per-capita on healthcare. This study was done by the World Health Organization. They ranked which country was the healthiest. America ranked dead last in 13 out of 16 categories. In the other three is was in the bottom 3. Maybe we are spending money in the wrong place? I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I am just asking you to find out the truth for yourself. What you find will amaze you. herbal remedies [herbal remedies ]On Behalf Of Karen ClarkSunday, May 01, 2005 11:40 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - changing mental attitude Oh I dont mean to fill the mail boxes but here goes - you wrote: She had strep throat and we put her on antibiotics.Natural methods were not taking care of it. Maybe everyone else will disagree with me, but I did what I had to do. IMO, I think we put our head in the sand and get out of balance if we throw out ALL of medicine. There HAVE been great strides made by medicine from which we can benefit, IMO! (My mom shares horror stories of polio before the vaccine). We simply need wisdom. We are a pill popping society who will take an aspirin at the first sign of any pain. We want a pill to fix everything and, sometimes, a pill IS necessary but I think we need to let nature take its course, for a bit, before we run to the counter or the doctor. IMO! ) - Dawn Hunt herbal remedies Sunday, May 01, 2005 1:01 AM Re: Herbal Remedies - changing mental attitude I am new to all this myself. I do not think over the counter stuff would help him any more than what you are doing. I have heard that you can cure strep throat with garlic, but I am not sure. My little one does not get sick very often, but If we can not take care of it at home, we have taken to the doctor. She had strep throat and we put her on antibiotics.Natural methods were not taking care of it. Maybe everyone else will disagree with me, but I did what I had to do. Hey all! I need to vent and maybe get some advise too....I just started getting into natural health and healing this past year, though I have been thinking about it for years! I am 32 now with a 8 year old little boy and a new DH! I have used conventional medicine, perscription and over the counter all my life. I have researched and prayed and read all about herbs and natural healing and I am TOTALLY sold on it!! Yet I find myself having a hard time "trusting" the natural healing ways over conventional medincine and what not. I am seeing now that I have been "trusting" conventional med all these years for myself and my son and now I am finding out that it isn't the best route and herbs, homeopathic, and naturopathic meds are best. BUT, I found myself scared to leaving it up to these healing ways this weekend while trying to heal my 8 year old son from nasal con., coughing and sore throat. I have been giving him vitamin C, garlic, collidal silver, rr leaf tea, echinacea-elderberry and yet last night at 2:30am when I had to sit up with him until 7:00am while he cried and was miserable I wanted to run to the grocery store to pick up some over the counter med that I "trust" would calm him and help him get better. Why don't I "trust" the natural path???????? The same goes for me, as I am just off the antidepressants and now starting the natural route for my panic disorder I find my self VERY SCARED to go natural. Has it just been drilled into me to feel safe with the medical doctors and over the counter drugs and now I am stepping into the unknown and it scares me?? Shouldn't it be the opposite.......scared of perscription and conventional med and feel safe with natural healing and its ways??? How do I reverse this feeling?SamanthaFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. 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Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 herbal remedies , " samanthaspooler " <samanthaspooler> wrote: >I have used conventional medicine, perscription and over the counter >all my life. >Yet I find myself having a hard time " trusting " the natural healing >ways over conventional medincine and what not. >Why don't I " trust " the natural path???????? > How do I reverse this feeling? > Samantha ********** The only way to get over the " brainwashing " of Conventional Medicine and Big Pharma is to do some research on it. Compare the ratio of death and adverse reactions of chemical pharmaceuticals to those of natural remedies. Read up on the history of the AMA and Pharmaceutical Companies. Check out the deceipt in pharmaceutical drug " marketing strategies " and their " clinical trials " . Read up on the ways they influence " researchers " to " prove " their drugs are " safe " . Read up on the methods they use to " convince " medical doctors to prescribe their drugs. Read up on the deceptive advertising of their drugs. Read up on how they influence medical institutions/universities and associations/societies. Check out the ways they manufacture new " diseases/syndromes " so as to market new drugs. Read up on " side-effects " and the many drug-induced diseases. Request Product Information Sheets from drug manufacturers of any drugs you have ever taken. Read them. (I swear, if people would read these sheets before taking their drugs, most would never take another one) **asthma, allergies, thyroid disease, skin reactions, lupus, birth defects, heart attacks/strokes, anaphylatic shock, chronic yeast, herpes, influenza, numerous cancers, high blood pressure, conjestive heart failure, violent/suicidal thoughts, kidney/liver damage, DEATH etc. to name just a few of the more serious side-effects that can be caused by drugs. Even the " less serious " side-effects aren't a picnic... (hair loss, sinus problems, backache, dizzyiness, loss of taste/smell, vertigo, hearing loss, fatigue, migraines/headaches, nausea, seizures, diarrhea, pancreatitis, muscle cramps/aches, edema, vomiting, irritability, insomnia, heartburn, gastro problems, etc.) to name but a few of those too. Read up on the ties of the chemical corporations that make drugs, to those government regulatory agencies who " allow/approve " them. Check out their " lobbying " efforts to influence political sources too. Read up on how the drugs " work " . Most of them only " alter body functions to relieve symptoms " . This is not a cure, and many times the altering of normal body functions ends up causing worse problems than the original symptom was. Which, of course, is very profitable for the pharmaceutical companies, as they can then profit from other drugs to combat the new " symptoms " caused by the 1st drug. Read up on the chemical formulations (and thus, the chemicals) they use to make the drugs. Egads, its no wonder that they can cause so much damage. Approx 90% of today's chemical pharmaceuticals are derived from petroleum/coal tar sources, many of which are known toxins. I've read that the Pharmaceutical Industry has the worst ratio of pollution to product than any other Industry. They average 25 lbs of toxic waste for each 1 lb of finished drug product, due to all the chemical solvents used in making their drugs. Keep up with drug alerts in the forms of added " black box warnings " , and ones that get " banned " after being marketed, and recalls, updated " cautions/warnings " , and the " Dear Physician " letters sent when they discover their dangerous " side-effects " after they've been on the market. Read up on the history of vaccines, how they are processed, and the stuff they " use " to make them with. I think if you do the research, you may be able to break the " brainwashing " cycle. It worked for me. Jan (in Michigan) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 I would say the same about perfumes which is used in anything today. Most perfumes is made of petrol. So its no wonder I feel sick when I am around people who use deodorants, shampoos, lotions etc, with perfume in it. Plus, there is alot of other chemicals in all that stuff too, and it goes in through skin. Like deodorants with aluminium (alun is what stop the sweating), and so on.... W9 herbal remedies , " zoomom9 " <zoomom9> wrote: > > ********** > The only way to get over the " brainwashing " of Conventional Medicine > and Big Pharma is to do some research on it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 herbal remedies , " walkyria9 " <wisdom9@g...> wrote: > I would say the same about perfumes which is used in anything today. > Most perfumes is made of petrol. So its no wonder I feel sick when I > am around people who use deodorants, shampoos, lotions etc, with > perfume in it. > > Plus, there is alot of other chemicals in all that stuff too, and it > goes in through skin. Like deodorants with aluminium (alun is what > stop the sweating), and so on.... > > W9 ************** Absolutely! The petroleum/coal tar chemicals are used in just about everything nowadays, not just used to make pharmaceutical drugs. So, researching the various other areas of their usage, is also a good idea. (for those who want to avoid them) Synthetic " fragrances " (in skin/hair care, perfumes, hh cleaners, laundry aids etc.) can consist of few hundred chemicals in order to achieve the desired " scent " . But they aren't the only thing to watch for in Conventional Products. The various chems also make up the majority of the other " additives/ingredients " in these conventional products too. Many researchers feel that the chemicals absorbed thru the skin are even more dangerous than those that are ingested, because they are absorbed directly into the body, without the benefit of being partially detoxified by the kidneys/liver. (as they would be when ingested) One of the more recent studies, has shown that the chemical Parabens (methylparaben/propylparaben/butylparaben etc) are being found in a high percentage of breast cancer tumors. They are being found in their " whole form " , which suggests they were absorbed thru the skin, rather than ingested. The parabens are used as preservatives, and are found in almost all conventional products for hair/skin, and are even found in many of the " health store " products, so they are hard to avoid if one doesn't read ingredient labels. Another area where petro/coal tars are excessively used, are as chemical food " additives " . As with the chemical " fragrances " , the Artificial " Flavors " may consist of a few hundred chemicals to get the " taste " they want to achieve. (many times, they use the same chemicals to artificially flavor foods, as they do to artificially scent products) and same with the artificial " colors " and " preservatives " too. Fortunately, these petro/coal tar additives are prohibited in organic foods. These toxic chems are also used in thousands of industrial products/items, including pesticides. Its why many of the same chemical companies that produce " pesticides " , also produce " medicines " , and food and skin care " additives " . They are all commonly derived from these very popular petroleum/coal tar sources. (which are waste byproducts from petroleum and coal industries) Once you research how much these chems have invaded every area of our " modern lifestyles " , it really doesn't take a rocket scientist to guess why everyone is so sick nowadays. (IMHO) The best way to avoid them, is to learn to read and decipher all labels and also all their " ingredients " . FWIW Jan (in Michigan) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 __________________ Dear Jan, ....can't thank you enough for taking the time educating us and keeping us '"Blessed in Knowledge"...JOYintheMorning... __________________ zoomom9 <zoomom9 wrote: herbal remedies , "samanthaspooler" <samanthaspooler> wrote:>I have used conventional medicine, perscription and over the counter >all my life. >Yet I find myself having a hard time "trusting" the natural healing >ways over conventional medincine and what not. >Why don't I "trust" the natural path???????? > How do I reverse this feeling?> Samantha**********The only way to get over the "brainwashing" of Conventional Medicine and Big Pharma is to do some research on it. Compare the ratio of death and adverse reactions of chemical pharmaceuticals to those of natural remedies.Read up on the history of the AMA and Pharmaceutical Companies. Check out the deceit in pharmaceutical drug "marketing strategies" and their "clinical trials". Read up on the ways they influence "researchers" to "prove" their drugs are "safe". Read up on the methods they use to "convince" medical doctors to prescribe their drugs. Read up on the deceptive advertising of their drugs. Read up on how they influence medical institutions/universities and associations/societies. Check out the ways they manufacture new "diseases/syndromes" so as to market new drugs.Read up on "side-effects" and the many drug-induced diseases. Request Product Information Sheets from drug manufacturers of any drugs you have ever taken. Read them. (I swear, if people would read these sheets before taking their drugs, most would never take another one) **asthma, allergies, thyroid disease, skin reactions, lupus, birth defects, heart attacks/strokes, anaphylatic shock, chronic yeast, herpes, influenza, numerous cancers, high blood pressure, conjestive heart failure, violent/suicidal thoughts, kidney/liver damage, DEATH etc. to name just a few of the more serious side-effects that can be caused by drugs. Even the "less serious" side-effects aren't a picnic... (hair loss, sinus problems, backache, dizzyiness, loss of taste/smell, vertigo, hearing loss, fatigue, migraines/headaches, nausea, seizures, diarrhea, pancreatitis, muscle cramps/aches, edema, vomiting, irritability, insomnia, heartburn, gastro problems, etc.) to name but a few of those too.Read up on the ties of the chemical corporations that make drugs, to those government regulatory agencies who "allow/approve" them. Check out their "lobbying" efforts to influence political sources too.Read up on how the drugs "work". Most of them only "alter body functions to relieve symptoms". This is not a cure, and many times the altering of normal body functions ends up causing worse problems than the original symptom was. Which, of course, is very profitable for the pharmaceutical companies, as they can then profit from other drugs to combat the new "symptoms" caused by the 1st drug.Read up on the chemical formulations (and thus, the chemicals) they use to make the drugs. Egads, its no wonder that they can cause so much damage. Approx 90% of today's chemical pharmaceuticals are derived from petroleum/coal tar sources, many of which are known toxins. I've read that the Pharmaceutical Industry has the worst ratio of pollution to product than any other Industry. They average 25 lbs of toxic waste for each 1 lb of finished drug product, due to all the chemical solvents used in making their drugs.Keep up with drug alerts in the forms of added "black box warnings", and ones that get "banned" after being marketed, and recalls, updated "cautions/warnings", and the "Dear Physician" letters sent when they discover their dangerous "side-effects" after they've been on the market.Read up on the history of vaccines, how they are processed, and the stuff they "use" to make them with.I think if you do the research, you may be able to break the "brainwashing" cycle. It worked for me.Jan (in Michigan) Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington JOY with every heartbeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2005 Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Deana, If sounded high horsed then I ought to be thrown from the saddle. Children are the greatest of gifts to any and everyone. You are correct in wanting to be sure and having any possible reassurance you can get. I suggest you call Dr. Shillington's office and ask him. If I were to answer that I'm not sure I'd have it right for an infant. But for an adult I'd simply say, " Fevers have been proven to be a necessary activity in the body and you only need fear dehydration " . I'd say " Nerve sedative is fine and only need be guided by body weight for children " . My wife had root canals and only used Nerve sedative to handle the pain and stayed on a diet laid out by Doc. She recovered in a week. Now is that awesome or what. Double check this with Doc. Zeb herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of Deana Brown Tuesday, May 03, 2005 2:02 PM herbal remedies Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: changing mental attitude so what do you suggest for newborns and babies for fever and pain? Thanks Deana Brown Zeb wrote: > But there is nothing good about children's Tylenol. IF you give it to the > kid...... who's peace of mind is it really for, yours?? And you'd poison > your child for a little piece of mind. My my my we have truly been > brainwashed world wide. > > > Zeb Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to prescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian Shillington Doctor of Naturopathy Dr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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