Butter, Margarin and Plastic can anyone verify this

[Guest guest]

Yep. It's true alright!!! Margarine or anything hydrogenated

(partially or otherwise) should be eliminated and is very close to

being plastic. Start reading labels (even items like Planters Trail

Mix) and you'll find that laboratory plastic is almost everything.

It's not as pervasive as it used to be, but still really bad.

 

If someone can't tolerate dairy, " Earth Balance " spread is made from

olive oil and is not hydrogenated. My cats will try to lick anything

I spread it on. I use a combination of both Earth Balance and Butter

for cooking. Another substitute that works great on sprouted toast

is to use flax or Udo's oil-- sprinkle with cinnamon for a real

treat - if you want it sweet mix stevia and cinnamon together.

 

 

herbal remedies , " Adam " <health@m...> wrote:

>

>

> I am just wondering if anyone can verify this information I

recieved

> in an email.

>

> One for your health

>

>

> This may be of interest to anybody that watched the news earlier

> this week, featuring Brian Bury who has aserious eye condition

> which may

> result in him eventually going blind & according to the doctor that

> was on the show, it is as a result ofmargarine in our diet, the

same

> doctor

> predicted 30 years ago that we would one day have a problem with

> cholesterol & diabetes butter.....or margarine?

>

> DO YOU KNOW...the difference between margarine and butter?

>

> Read on to the end...gets very interesting!

>

> Both have the same amount of calories.

> Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams compared to

5

> grams. Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by

53%

> over eating the same amount of butter, according to a recent

> Harvard Medical Study. Eating butter increases the absorption of

> many other nutrients in other foods. Butter has many nutritional

> benefits where margarine has a few only because they are added!

> Butter tastes much better than margarine

>

> and it can enhance the flavors of other foods. Butter has been

> around for centuries where margarine has been around for less

than

> 100 years. And now, for Margarine. Very high in trans fatty

> acids... Triple risk of coronary heart disease. Increases total

> cholesterol and LDL (this is the bad

> cholesterol) Lowers HDL cholesterol, (the good cholesterol) ...

> Increases the risk of cancers by up to five fold... Lowers

quality

> of breast milk... Decreases immune response... Decreases insulin

> response. And here is the most disturbing fact....

>

> HERE IS THE PART THAT IS VERY INTERESTING!

> Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC...

> This fact alone was enough to have me avoiding margarine for life

> and anything else that is hydrogenated (this means hydrogen is

> added, changing the molecular structure of the substance)..

>

> YOU can try this yourself: purchase a tub of margarine and leave

it

> in your garage or shaded area. Within a couple of days you will

> note a couple of

> things: no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near

it

> (that should tell you something) ... it does not rot or smell

> differently..because it has no nutritional value, nothing will

grow

> on it...even those teeny weeny micro-organisms will not a find a

> home to grow.

>

> Why? Because it is nearly plastic. Would you melt your Tupperware

> and spread that on your toast? Share This With Your Friends

[Guest guest]

I have heard this also, but not in am email. Some one else told me

about it. But if you think about it, margarine is man-made. Butter

is natural. I could buy the fact that there is plastic in

margarine. There is no telling what they really put into it. For

that reason I have switched back to butter. It is also more

expensive than margarine here.

 

The key to any food, IN MY OPINION, is first of all, what is the

source? Is it man-made or natural? How many ingredients are man-

made, if any? and what are they?

 

For me, if it is a man-made product or contains a mostly man-made

products and preservatives, I won't let myself or my family eat it.

This all was a result of getting my daughter off HER meds for ADD.

I also am of the opinion that moderation is a huge key. As

Americans, we tend to over eat.

 

Anyway, I don't know why I went off on all that, but maybe that will

help.

Gina )

[Guest guest]

The statement that margarine is one

molecule away from being plastic is an urban legend and can be found on snopes:

 

http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/butter.asp

 

Wendy L

 

 

 

 

kelticgirl14

[kelticgirl14]

Thursday, April 14, 2005

11:58 AM

To:

herbal remedies

Herbal Remedies - Re:

Butter, Margarin and Plastic can anyone verify this

 

 

 

I have heard this also, but not in am email.

Some one else told me

about it. But if you think about it,

margarine is man-made. Butter

is natural. I could buy the fact that there

is plastic in

margarine. There is no telling what they

really put into it. For

that reason I have switched back to butter.

It is also more

expensive than margarine here.

 

The key to any food, IN MY OPINION, is first of

all, what is the

source? Is it man-made or natural? How

many ingredients are man-

made, if any? and what are they?

 

For me, if it is a man-made product or contains a

mostly man-made

products and preservatives, I won't let myself or

my family eat it.

This all was a result of getting my daughter off

HER meds for ADD.

I also am of the opinion that moderation is a huge

key. As

Americans, we tend to over eat.

 

Anyway, I don't know why I went off on all that,

but maybe that will

help.

Gina )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Federal Law

requires that we warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

before using any natural remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your own physician and to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome to post here as long as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are

exactly that, and any person

following the advice of anyone posting here does

so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By

accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

the List Owner and members free of any liability.

 

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

I've pi**ed and moaned about trans fats to all my friends for a long

time - trying to get them to read labels.

 

Trans fats (partially-hydrogenated oils) are produced commercially

in large quantities by heating vegetable oils in the presence of

metal catalysts and hydrogen to form shortening and margarine. This

removes everything that is nutritous about the oil and reduces it to

a practially non-parishable, plastic-like state. Many fast foods

contain high levels of trans fatty acids, are exempt from labeling

regulations, and can even be advertised as cholesterol-free and

cooked in vegetable oil. How deceptive is that? This stuff clogs

your arteries and causes a whole host of health problems including

heart attacks, stroke, and high blood pressure. I don't even want to

know what it does to the brain.

 

Clue: If you can " Super-Size " it or it has an incredibly long shelf-

life, it's probably made with trans fats. Think about how much more

quickly a home-made cake will spoil vs. one of those twinkies that

will still be mold-free in 10 years.

 

OOOooooo the major food manufacturers and the FDA make me so mad to

allow this crap to deemed " safe for consumption " .

 

Sorry to rant.

 

Karen

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " kelticgirl14 "

<kelticgirl14> wrote:

>

>

> I have heard this also, but not in am email. Some one else told

me

> about it. But if you think about it, margarine is man-made.

Butter

> is natural. I could buy the fact that there is plastic in

> margarine. There is no telling what they really put into it. For

> that reason I have switched back to butter. It is also more

> expensive than margarine here.

>

> The key to any food, IN MY OPINION, is first of all, what is the

> source? Is it man-made or natural? How many ingredients are man-

> made, if any? and what are they?

>

> For me, if it is a man-made product or contains a mostly man-made

> products and preservatives, I won't let myself or my family eat

it.

> This all was a result of getting my daughter off HER meds for

ADD.

> I also am of the opinion that moderation is a huge key. As

> Americans, we tend to over eat.

>

> Anyway, I don't know why I went off on all that, but maybe that

will

> help.

> Gina )

[Guest guest]

Man oh man, this is some interesting ish !.....No more Margarine for me.....zengirl04 <zengirl04 wrote:

Yep. It's true alright!!! Margarine or anything hydrogenated (partially or otherwise) should be eliminated and is very close to being plastic. Start reading labels (even items like Planters Trail Mix) and you'll find that laboratory plastic is almost everything. It's not as pervasive as it used to be, but still really bad.If someone can't tolerate dairy, "Earth Balance" spread is made from olive oil and is not hydrogenated. My cats will try to lick anything I spread it on. I use a combination of both Earth Balance and Butter for cooking. Another substitute that works great on sprouted toast is to use flax or Udo's oil-- sprinkle with cinnamon for a real treat - if you want it sweet mix stevia and cinnamon together.herbal remedies , "Adam" <health@m...> wrote:>

> > I am just wondering if anyone can verify this information I recieved > in an email.> > One for your health> > > This may be of interest to anybody that watched the news earlier > this week, featuring Brian Bury who has aserious eye condition > which may > result in him eventually going blind & according to the doctor that > was on the show, it is as a result ofmargarine in our diet, the same > doctor > predicted 30 years ago that we would one day have a problem with > cholesterol & diabetes butter.....or margarine?> > DO YOU KNOW...the difference between margarine and butter?> > Read on to the end...gets very interesting!> > Both have the same amount of calories.> Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams compared to 5 > grams. Eating margarine can

increase heart disease in women by 53% > over eating the same amount of butter, according to a recent > Harvard Medical Study. Eating butter increases the absorption of > many other nutrients in other foods. Butter has many nutritional > benefits where margarine has a few only because they are added! > Butter tastes much better than margarine> > and it can enhance the flavors of other foods. Butter has been > around for centuries where margarine has been around for less than > 100 years. And now, for Margarine. Very high in trans fatty > acids... Triple risk of coronary heart disease. Increases total > cholesterol and LDL (this is the bad> cholesterol) Lowers HDL cholesterol, (the good cholesterol) ... > Increases the risk of cancers by up to five fold... Lowers quality > of breast milk... Decreases

immune response... Decreases insulin > response. And here is the most disturbing fact....> > HERE IS THE PART THAT IS VERY INTERESTING!> Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC...> This fact alone was enough to have me avoiding margarine for life > and anything else that is hydrogenated (this means hydrogen is > added, changing the molecular structure of the substance)..> > YOU can try this yourself: purchase a tub of margarine and leave it > in your garage or shaded area. Within a couple of days you will > note a couple of> things: no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near it > (that should tell you something) ... it does not rot or smell > differently..because it has no nutritional value, nothing will grow > on it...even those teeny weeny micro-organisms will not a

find a > home to grow.> > Why? Because it is nearly plastic. Would you melt your Tupperware > and spread that on your toast? Share This With Your FriendsFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and

hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

....Question,

 

How do you " udo " the damage that has been done ?...ok, I understand not using margarine...but do you know how many big mc's and ish that I've eaten over the years ( I've not touched fast food in over a year ) How do you carryout perventative maintance ?...

 

ish = sh (blank) tzengirl04 <zengirl04 wrote:

I've pi**ed and moaned about trans fats to all my friends for a long time - trying to get them to read labels.Trans fats (partially-hydrogenated oils) are produced commercially in large quantities by heating vegetable oils in the presence of metal catalysts and hydrogen to form shortening and margarine. This removes everything that is nutritous about the oil and reduces it to a practially non-parishable, plastic-like state. Many fast foods contain high levels of trans fatty acids, are exempt from labeling regulations, and can even be advertised as cholesterol-free and cooked in vegetable oil. How deceptive is that? This stuff clogs your arteries and causes a whole host of health problems including heart attacks, stroke, and high blood pressure. I don't even want to know what it does to the brain.Clue: If you

can "Super-Size" it or it has an incredibly long shelf-life, it's probably made with trans fats. Think about how much more quickly a home-made cake will spoil vs. one of those twinkies that will still be mold-free in 10 years.OOOooooo the major food manufacturers and the FDA make me so mad to allow this crap to deemed "safe for consumption".Sorry to rant.Karenherbal remedies , "kelticgirl14" <kelticgirl14> wrote:> > > I have heard this also, but not in am email. Some one else told me > about it. But if you think about it, margarine is man-made. Butter > is natural. I could buy the fact that there is plastic in > margarine. There is no telling what they really put into it. For > that reason I have switched back to butter. It is also more > expensive than margarine here. >

> The key to any food, IN MY OPINION, is first of all, what is the > source? Is it man-made or natural? How many ingredients are man-> made, if any? and what are they? > > For me, if it is a man-made product or contains a mostly man-made > products and preservatives, I won't let myself or my family eat it. > This all was a result of getting my daughter off HER meds for ADD. > I also am of the opinion that moderation is a huge key. As > Americans, we tend to over eat. > > Anyway, I don't know why I went off on all that, but maybe that will > help.> Gina )Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the

right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

I quit eatting the junk months ago...now maybe my poor husband who had vascular surgery will stand a chance.......we went off of red meat too...brendaelrick penn <elrickp wrote:

 

Man oh man, this is some interesting ish !.....No more Margarine for me.....zengirl04 <zengirl04 wrote: Yep. It's true alright!!! Margarine or anything hydrogenated (partially or otherwise) should be eliminated and is very close to being plastic. Start reading labels (even items like Planters Trail Mix) and you'll find that laboratory plastic is almost everything. It's not as pervasive as it used to be, but still really bad.If someone can't tolerate dairy, "Earth Balance" spread is made from olive oil and is not hydrogenated. My cats will try to lick anything I spread it on. I use a combination of both Earth Balance and Butter for cooking. Another substitute that works great on sprouted toast is to use flax or Udo's oil-- sprinkle with cinnamon for a real treat - if you want it sweet mix stevia and cinnamon together.herbal remedies , "Adam" <health@m...> wrote:>

> > I am just wondering if anyone can verify this information I recieved > in an email.> > One for your health> > > This may be of interest to anybody that watched the news earlier > this week, featuring Brian Bury who has aserious eye condition > which may > result in him eventually going blind & according to the doctor that > was on the show, it is as a result ofmargarine in our diet, the same > doctor > predicted 30 years ago that we would one day have a problem with > cholesterol & diabetes butter.....or margarine?> > DO YOU KNOW...the difference between margarine and butter?> > Read on to the end...gets very interesting!> > Both have the same amount of calories.> Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams compared to 5 > grams. Eating margarine can

increase heart disease in women by 53% > over eating the same amount of butter, according to a recent > Harvard Medical Study. Eating butter increases the absorption of > many other nutrients in other foods. Butter has many nutritional > benefits where margarine has a few only because they are added! > Butter tastes much better than margarine> > and it can enhance the flavors of other foods. Butter has been > around for centuries where margarine has been around for less than > 100 years. And now, for Margarine. Very high in trans fatty > acids... Triple risk of coronary heart disease. Increases total > cholesterol and LDL (this is the bad> cholesterol) Lowers HDL cholesterol, (the good cholesterol) ... > Increases the risk of cancers by up to five fold... Lowers quality > of breast milk... Decreases

immune response... Decreases insulin > response. And here is the most disturbing fact....> > HERE IS THE PART THAT IS VERY INTERESTING!> Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC...> This fact alone was enough to have me avoiding margarine for life > and anything else that is hydrogenated (this means hydrogen is > added, changing the molecular structure of the substance)..> > YOU can try this yourself: purchase a tub of margarine and leave it > in your garage or shaded area. Within a couple of days you will > note a couple of> things: no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near it > (that should tell you something) ... it does not rot or smell > differently..because it has no nutritional value, nothing will grow > on it...even those teeny weeny micro-organisms will not a

find a > home to grow.> > Why? Because it is nearly plastic. Would you melt your Tupperware > and spread that on your toast? Share This With Your FriendsFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and

hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr.

Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Always in the service of our Father. Brenda Joyce

 

 

 

 

 

Mail - You care about security. So do we.

[Guest guest]

Water and artificial oil is definitely thicker than blood as blood will transverse through microscopic little arteries of the brain.These oils of margarine will not.a fat will as it is natural so butter will not clog up your brain.Have you noticed the constant rise is Alzheimer's and Dementia of late.I was warned of margarine from a medical friend over twenty years ago.The way I was thinking was that Niacin may allow some of the oils that are stuck to flow free, does anyone have any opinion on this.

Tom

 

 

 

-

zengirl04

herbal remedies

Friday, April 15, 2005 5:02 AM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Butter, Margarin and Plastic can anyone verify this

I've pi**ed and moaned about trans fats to all my friends for a long time - trying to get them to read labels.Trans fats (partially-hydrogenated oils) are produced commercially in large quantities by heating vegetable oils in the presence of metal catalysts and hydrogen to form shortening and margarine. This removes everything that is nutritous about the oil and reduces it to a practially non-parishable, plastic-like state. Many fast foods contain high levels of trans fatty acids, are exempt from labeling regulations, and can even be advertised as cholesterol-free and cooked in vegetable oil. How deceptive is that? This stuff clogs your arteries and causes a whole host of health problems including heart attacks, stroke, and high blood pressure. I don't even want to know what it does to the brain.Clue: If you can "Super-Size" it or it has an incredibly long shelf-life, it's probably made with trans fats. Think about how much more quickly a home-made cake will spoil vs. one of those twinkies that will still be mold-free in 10 years.OOOooooo the major food manufacturers and the FDA make me so mad to allow this crap to deemed "safe for consumption".Sorry to rant.Karenherbal remedies , "kelticgirl14" <kelticgirl14> wrote:> > > I have heard this also, but not in am email. Some one else told me > about it. But if you think about it, margarine is man-made. Butter > is natural. I could buy the fact that there is plastic in > margarine. There is no telling what they really put into it. For > that reason I have switched back to butter. It is also more > expensive than margarine here. > > The key to any food, IN MY OPINION, is first of all, what is the > source? Is it man-made or natural? How many ingredients are man-> made, if any? and what are they? > > For me, if it is a man-made product or contains a mostly man-made > products and preservatives, I won't let myself or my family eat it. > This all was a result of getting my daughter off HER meds for ADD. > I also am of the opinion that moderation is a huge key. As > Americans, we tend to over eat. > > Anyway, I don't know why I went off on all that, but maybe that will > help.> Gina )Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

herbal remedies , " Wendy Landes " <WendyL@k...>

wrote:

> The statement that margarine is one molecule away from being

plastic is

> an urban legend and can be found on snopes:

>

> http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/butter.asp

>

> Wendy L

>

>

>

 

Actually, I went to the link to read this article even though I

generally lump Snopes into " Quackbuster " type websites most of which

have faced more than their share of lawsuits because of vague,

unsubstantiated claims and deliberate misinformation.

 

If you reread that last paragraph, they do not make a claim as to

whether or not margarine is one molecule awway from plastic. They

only say that it is not relevant under the logic that lots of stuff

is chemically structured similar to lots of other stuff, or something

like that.

 

" Many disparate substances share similar chemical properties, but

even the slightest variation in molecular structure can make a world

of difference in the qualities of those substances. "

 

Worse pseudoscience than the original claim IMO. The article also

implies that butter is just as bad for you because it has cholesterol.

I'll let you figure that one out on your own.:-)

[Guest guest]

True ... technically. But the fact remains that the oil has been

altered to such a point that it might as well be plastic because the

body simply doesn't know what to do with it. The body doesn't

recognize it as food and therefore puts it in bad places to get rid

of it ... like your arteries.

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " Wendy Landes " <WendyL@k...>

wrote:

> The statement that margarine is one molecule away from being

plastic is

> an urban legend and can be found on snopes:

>

> http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/butter.asp

>

> Wendy L

>

>

>

>

> kelticgirl14 [kelticgirl14]

> Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:58 AM

> herbal remedies

> Herbal Remedies - Re: Butter, Margarin and Plastic can

anyone

> verify this

>

>

>

> I have heard this also, but not in am email. Some one else told

me

> about it. But if you think about it, margarine is man-made.

Butter

> is natural. I could buy the fact that there is plastic in

> margarine. There is no telling what they really put into it. For

> that reason I have switched back to butter. It is also more

> expensive than margarine here.

>

> The key to any food, IN MY OPINION, is first of all, what is the

> source? Is it man-made or natural? How many ingredients are man-

> made, if any? and what are they?

>

> For me, if it is a man-made product or contains a mostly man-made

> products and preservatives, I won't let myself or my family eat

it.

> This all was a result of getting my daughter off HER meds for

ADD.

> I also am of the opinion that moderation is a huge key. As

> Americans, we tend to over eat.

>

> Anyway, I don't know why I went off on all that, but maybe that

will

> help.

> Gina )

>

>

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural

> remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician

> and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here

as long

> as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any

> person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products

> from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner

and

> members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm no expert on this for sure, but we've all grown up on fast food,

candy, ballpark popcorn and hot dogs, or Wonder bread. Anyway, it's

just like anything else - give your body what it needs to heal

itself and be patient and diligent about it. That's what I'm trying

to do. I'm healthier than I was 10 years ago, so there's no reason

I can't be healthier than I am now. The trick is to figure out the

right combination for your body, although there are common

denominators for us all.

 

Karen

 

 

 

herbal remedies , elrick penn <elrickp>

wrote:

> ...Question,

>

> How do you " udo " the damage that has been done ?...ok, I

understand not using margarine...but do you know how many big mc's

and ish that I've eaten over the years ( I've not touched fast food

in over a year ) How do you carryout perventative maintance ?...

>

> ish = sh (blank) t

>

> zengirl04 <zengirl04> wrote:

>

>

> I've pi**ed and moaned about trans fats to all my friends for a

long

> time - trying to get them to read labels.

>

> Trans fats (partially-hydrogenated oils) are produced commercially

> in large quantities by heating vegetable oils in the presence of

> metal catalysts and hydrogen to form shortening and margarine.

This

> removes everything that is nutritous about the oil and reduces it

to

> a practially non-parishable, plastic-like state. Many fast foods

> contain high levels of trans fatty acids, are exempt from labeling

> regulations, and can even be advertised as cholesterol-free and

> cooked in vegetable oil. How deceptive is that? This stuff clogs

> your arteries and causes a whole host of health problems including

> heart attacks, stroke, and high blood pressure. I don't even want

to

> know what it does to the brain.

>

> Clue: If you can " Super-Size " it or it has an incredibly long

shelf-

> life, it's probably made with trans fats. Think about how much

more

> quickly a home-made cake will spoil vs. one of those twinkies that

> will still be mold-free in 10 years.

>

> OOOooooo the major food manufacturers and the FDA make me so mad

to

> allow this crap to deemed " safe for consumption " .

>

> Sorry to rant.

>

> Karen

>

>

>

> herbal remedies , " kelticgirl14 "

> <kelticgirl14> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I have heard this also, but not in am email. Some one else told

> me

> > about it. But if you think about it, margarine is man-made.

> Butter

> > is natural. I could buy the fact that there is plastic in

> > margarine. There is no telling what they really put into it.

For

> > that reason I have switched back to butter. It is also more

> > expensive than margarine here.

> >

> > The key to any food, IN MY OPINION, is first of all, what is the

> > source? Is it man-made or natural? How many ingredients are

man-

> > made, if any? and what are they?

> >

> > For me, if it is a man-made product or contains a mostly man-

made

> > products and preservatives, I won't let myself or my family eat

> it.

> > This all was a result of getting my daughter off HER meds for

> ADD.

> > I also am of the opinion that moderation is a huge key. As

> > Americans, we tend to over eat.

> >

> > Anyway, I don't know why I went off on all that, but maybe that

> will

> > help.

> > Gina )

>

>

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here

as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner

and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am just wondering who writes the stuff at snopes? Is it reliable info?

 

Elizabeth Elliott

eliz3378

 

-

" Calliope " <ladyofnomads

<herbal remedies >

Friday, April 15, 2005 10:10 AM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Butter, Margarin and Plastic can anyone

verify this

 

 

>

>

>

> herbal remedies , " Wendy Landes " <WendyL@k...>

> wrote:

>> The statement that margarine is one molecule away from being

> plastic is

>> an urban legend and can be found on snopes:

>>

>> http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/butter.asp

>>

>> Wendy L

>>

>>

>>

>

> Actually, I went to the link to read this article even though I

> generally lump Snopes into " Quackbuster " type websites most of which

> have faced more than their share of lawsuits because of vague,

> unsubstantiated claims and deliberate misinformation.

>

> If you reread that last paragraph, they do not make a claim as to

> whether or not margarine is one molecule awway from plastic. They

> only say that it is not relevant under the logic that lots of stuff

> is chemically structured similar to lots of other stuff, or something

> like that.

>

> " Many disparate substances share similar chemical properties, but

> even the slightest variation in molecular structure can make a world

> of difference in the qualities of those substances. "

>

> Worse pseudoscience than the original claim IMO. The article also

> implies that butter is just as bad for you because it has cholesterol.

> I'll let you figure that one out on your own.:-)

>

>

>

>

>

>

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

> remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

> to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

> as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

> person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

> list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

> members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

[Guest guest]

Thank's K. I think I need a total body/liver/kidney cleanse...zengirl04 <zengirl04 wrote:

I'm no expert on this for sure, but we've all grown up on fast food, candy, ballpark popcorn and hot dogs, or Wonder bread. Anyway, it's just like anything else - give your body what it needs to heal itself and be patient and diligent about it. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm healthier than I was 10 years ago, so there's no reason I can't be healthier than I am now. The trick is to figure out the right combination for your body, although there are common denominators for us all.Karenherbal remedies , elrick penn <elrickp> wrote:> ...Question,> > How do you " udo " the damage that has been done ?...ok, I understand not using margarine...but do you know how many big mc's and ish that I've eaten over the years ( I've not touched fast

food in over a year ) How do you carryout perventative maintance ?...> > ish = sh (blank) t> > zengirl04 <zengirl04> wrote:> > > I've pi**ed and moaned about trans fats to all my friends for a long > time - trying to get them to read labels.> > Trans fats (partially-hydrogenated oils) are produced commercially > in large quantities by heating vegetable oils in the presence of > metal catalysts and hydrogen to form shortening and margarine. This > removes everything that is nutritous about the oil and reduces it to > a practially non-parishable, plastic-like state. Many fast foods > contain high levels of trans fatty acids, are exempt from labeling > regulations, and can even be advertised as cholesterol-free and > cooked in vegetable oil. How deceptive is that? This stuff clogs > your arteries and causes a whole host of health

problems including > heart attacks, stroke, and high blood pressure. I don't even want to > know what it does to the brain.> > Clue: If you can "Super-Size" it or it has an incredibly long shelf-> life, it's probably made with trans fats. Think about how much more > quickly a home-made cake will spoil vs. one of those twinkies that > will still be mold-free in 10 years.> > OOOooooo the major food manufacturers and the FDA make me so mad to > allow this crap to deemed "safe for consumption".> > Sorry to rant.> > Karen> > > > herbal remedies , "kelticgirl14" > <kelticgirl14> wrote:> > > > > > I have heard this also, but not in am email. Some one else told > me > > about it. But if you think about it, margarine is man-made. >

Butter > > is natural. I could buy the fact that there is plastic in > > margarine. There is no telling what they really put into it. For > > that reason I have switched back to butter. It is also more > > expensive than margarine here. > > > > The key to any food, IN MY OPINION, is first of all, what is the > > source? Is it man-made or natural? How many ingredients are man-> > made, if any? and what are they? > > > > For me, if it is a man-made product or contains a mostly man-made > > products and preservatives, I won't let myself or my family eat > it. > > This all was a result of getting my daughter off HER meds for > ADD. > > I also am of the opinion that moderation is a huge key. As > > Americans, we tend to over eat. > > >

> Anyway, I don't know why I went off on all that, but maybe that > will > > help.> > Gina )> > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be

fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Sounds like a great idea :-)

Lisa

 

-

elrick penn

herbal remedies

Friday, April 15, 2005 9:52 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Re: Butter, Margarin and Plastic can anyone verify this

 

Thank's K. I think I need a total body/liver/kidney cleanse...

[Guest guest]

herbal remedies , " Calliope " <ladyofnomads@h...>

> > an urban legend and can be found on snopes:

> > http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/butter.asp

> > Wendy L

> > <Snip>

<snip>

> Actually, I went to the link to read this article even though I

> generally lump Snopes into " Quackbuster " type websites most of which

> have faced more than their share of lawsuits because of vague,

> unsubstantiated claims and deliberate misinformation.

>

> " Many disparate substances share similar chemical properties, but

> even the slightest variation in molecular structure can make a world

> of difference in the qualities of those substances. "

 

 

I couldn't agree more!

 

I went to snopes too and saw that they did lean towards saying butter

was better, but they did not address the claim directly about margarine.

 

I was at snopes and I thought " What am I doing here? This is just

like Quackbusters. " Anyway, notice all of the BIG words they use in

that last paragraph? Their intention is totally to confuse a person.

 

BTW, it was my first time on snopes. And I've visited Quackbusters

once also. I seem to know when to stay away from bad things, just

like realizing margarine was bad over twenty years ago when my parents

started buying it because of all of the hype about butter. I never

touch the stuff.

 

Andrea

[Guest guest]

Several years ago, while my brother was still home schooling, we got

a book of sience experiements. One of them was to take a tub of

margarine and place it outside in the sun for so many days and it

would turn to plastic. According to the book margarine lacks only one

molicule from being plastic, something about sunlight gives it that

one molicule. Personally I really think it's disgusting.

 

 

herbal remedies , Brenda Joyce

<brendajoyce8> wrote:

> I quit eatting the junk months ago...now maybe my poor husband who

had vascular surgery will stand a chance.......we went off of red

meat too...brenda

>

> elrick penn <elrickp> wrote:Man oh man, this is some

interesting ish !.....No more Margarine for me.....

>

> zengirl04 <zengirl04> wrote:

>

> Yep. It's true alright!!! Margarine or anything hydrogenated

> (partially or otherwise) should be eliminated and is very close to

> being plastic. Start reading labels (even items like Planters Trail

> Mix) and you'll find that laboratory plastic is almost everything.

> It's not as pervasive as it used to be, but still really bad.

>

> If someone can't tolerate dairy, " Earth Balance " spread is made

from

> olive oil and is not hydrogenated. My cats will try to lick

anything

> I spread it on. I use a combination of both Earth Balance and

Butter

> for cooking. Another substitute that works great on sprouted toast

> is to use flax or Udo's oil-- sprinkle with cinnamon for a real

> treat - if you want it sweet mix stevia and cinnamon together.

>

>

> herbal remedies , " Adam " <health@m...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I am just wondering if anyone can verify this information I

> recieved

> > in an email.

> >

> > One for your health

> >

> >

> > This may be of interest to anybody that watched the news earlier

> > this week, featuring Brian Bury who has aserious eye condition

> > which may

> > result in him eventually going blind & according to the doctor

that

> > was on the show, it is as a result ofmargarine in our diet, the

> same

> > doctor

> > predicted 30 years ago that we would one day have a problem with

> > cholesterol & diabetes butter.....or margarine?

> >

> > DO YOU KNOW...the difference between margarine and butter?

> >

> > Read on to the end...gets very interesting!

> >

> > Both have the same amount of calories.

> > Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams compared

to

> 5

> > grams. Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by

> 53%

> > over eating the same amount of butter, according to a recent

> > Harvard Medical Study. Eating butter increases the absorption of

> > many other nutrients in other foods. Butter has many nutritional

> > benefits where margarine has a few only because they are added!

> > Butter tastes much better than margarine

> >

> > and it can enhance the flavors of other foods. Butter has been

> > around for centuries where margarine has been around for less

> than

> > 100 years. And now, for Margarine. Very high in trans fatty

> > acids... Triple risk of coronary heart disease. Increases total

> > cholesterol and LDL (this is the bad

> > cholesterol) Lowers HDL cholesterol, (the good cholesterol) ...

> > Increases the risk of cancers by up to five fold... Lowers

> quality

> > of breast milk... Decreases immune response... Decreases insulin

> > response. And here is the most disturbing fact....

> >

> > HERE IS THE PART THAT IS VERY INTERESTING!

> > Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC...

> > This fact alone was enough to have me avoiding margarine for

life

> > and anything else that is hydrogenated (this means hydrogen is

> > added, changing the molecular structure of the substance)..

> >

> > YOU can try this yourself: purchase a tub of margarine and leave

> it

> > in your garage or shaded area. Within a couple of days you will

> > note a couple of

> > things: no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near

> it

> > (that should tell you something) ... it does not rot or smell

> > differently..because it has no nutritional value, nothing will

> grow

> > on it...even those teeny weeny micro-organisms will not a find a

> > home to grow.

> >

> > Why? Because it is nearly plastic. Would you melt your

Tupperware

> > and spread that on your toast? Share This With Your Friends

>

>

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as

long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner

and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as

long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner

and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

__________

Thank-you so much for your "fact-full" response

....same info changed my eating habits when I learned this twenty years ago

....also learned that margarine never leaves the body once you eat it

__________zengirl04 <zengirl04 wrote:

True ... technically. But the fact remains that the oil has been altered to such a point that it might as well be plastic because the body simply doesn't know what to do with it. The body doesn't recognize it as food and therefore puts it in bad places to get rid of it ... like your arteries.herbal remedies , "Wendy Landes" <WendyL@k...> wrote:> The statement that margarine is one molecule away from being plastic is> an urban legend and can be found on snopes:> > http://www.snopes.com/food/warnings/butter.asp> > Wendy L> > > > > kelticgirl14 [kelticgirl14] > Thursday, April 14, 2005

11:58 AM> herbal remedies > Herbal Remedies - Re: Butter, Margarin and Plastic can anyone> verify this> > > > I have heard this also, but not in am email. Some one else told me > about it. But if you think about it, margarine is man-made. Butter > is natural. I could buy the fact that there is plastic in > margarine. There is no telling what they really put into it. For > that reason I have switched back to butter. It is also more > expensive than margarine here. > > The key to any food, IN MY OPINION, is first of all, what is the > source? Is it man-made or natural? How many ingredients are man-> made, if any? and what are they? > > For me, if it is a man-made product or contains a mostly man-made > products and preservatives, I won't let

myself or my family eat it. > This all was a result of getting my daughter off HER meds for ADD. > I also am of the opinion that moderation is a huge key. As > Americans, we tend to over eat. > > Anyway, I don't know why I went off on all that, but maybe that will > help.> Gina )> > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural> remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician> and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long> as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list

members are exactly that, and any> person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products> from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and> members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > _____ > >

[Guest guest]

Amanda, marsmallows are not a food, either, even ants won't eat them.. ; /

I think this discussion highlights that we are living in a complex,

industrialized world, and

we are offered an array of foods and other things that run the gamut from

downright

dangerous or toxic, (even if they are represented as good for us..), to things

that are

beneficial, easily assimilated, and harmonize well with our own personal

body-ecologies,

body-types, frequencies, preferences, values, etc..

 

I think I need to educate myself and even experiment on myself, to find out what

really

works for me, personally, and what I can reasonably afford, spend the time to

procure,

prepare, and enjoy.. : )

 

Happy Eating! : )

 

Scott.

 

> Several years ago, while my brother was still home schooling, we got

> a book of sience experiements. One of them was to take a tub of

> margarine and place it outside in the sun for so many days and it

> would turn to plastic. According to the book margarine lacks only one

> molicule from being plastic, something about sunlight gives it that

> one molicule. Personally I really think it's disgusting.

[Guest guest]

I stopped eating margarine 2 years ago, only because I didn't really

know which was worse, and I figured butter is natural so it might be

better.

 

I liked margarine because butter was always so hard to spread, but I

have been buying whipped butter, thats not too bad.

 

After reading this, I'll never go back to margarine now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " Adam " <health@m...> wrote:

>

>

> I am just wondering if anyone can verify this information I

recieved

> in an email.

>

> One for your health

>

>

> This may be of interest to anybody that watched the news earlier

> this week, featuring Brian Bury who has aserious eye condition

> which may

> result in him eventually going blind & according to the doctor that

> was on the show, it is as a result ofmargarine in our diet, the

same

> doctor

> predicted 30 years ago that we would one day have a problem with

> cholesterol & diabetes butter.....or margarine?

>

> DO YOU KNOW...the difference between margarine and butter?

>

> Read on to the end...gets very interesting!

>

> Both have the same amount of calories.

> Butter is slightly higher in saturated fats at 8 grams compared to

5

> grams. Eating margarine can increase heart disease in women by

53%

> over eating the same amount of butter, according to a recent

> Harvard Medical Study. Eating butter increases the absorption of

> many other nutrients in other foods. Butter has many nutritional

> benefits where margarine has a few only because they are added!

> Butter tastes much better than margarine

>

> and it can enhance the flavors of other foods. Butter has been

> around for centuries where margarine has been around for less

than

> 100 years. And now, for Margarine. Very high in trans fatty

> acids... Triple risk of coronary heart disease. Increases total

> cholesterol and LDL (this is the bad

> cholesterol) Lowers HDL cholesterol, (the good cholesterol) ...

> Increases the risk of cancers by up to five fold... Lowers

quality

> of breast milk... Decreases immune response... Decreases insulin

> response. And here is the most disturbing fact....

>

> HERE IS THE PART THAT IS VERY INTERESTING!

> Margarine is but ONE MOLECULE away from being PLASTIC...

> This fact alone was enough to have me avoiding margarine for life

> and anything else that is hydrogenated (this means hydrogen is

> added, changing the molecular structure of the substance)..

>

> YOU can try this yourself: purchase a tub of margarine and leave

it

> in your garage or shaded area. Within a couple of days you will

> note a couple of

> things: no flies, not even those pesky fruit flies will go near

it

> (that should tell you something) ... it does not rot or smell

> differently..because it has no nutritional value, nothing will

grow

> on it...even those teeny weeny micro-organisms will not a find a

> home to grow.

>

> Why? Because it is nearly plastic. Would you melt your Tupperware

> and spread that on your toast? Share This With Your Friends