Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Hi all, I just got my reply from Vitasoy and they say it is illegal to grow or import any GM soy into Australia, and every batch has to be tested. Well thats good news for me, I can stop doing my research into GM free soy products here.There is certainly debate going on here about introducing GM species, but I didnt realise it is still illegal. And if anyone still wants to eat any soy over there in the USA, maybe you can look for stuff imported from Australia? love Peela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 After reading about soy on life extension foundation site. lef.org I make sure no products I eat contain soy at all. Personal decision for two years now and I feel better every day. craig Quoting peelasacha <peela: > > > > Hi all, > I just got my reply from Vitasoy and they say it is illegal to grow or > import any GM soy into Australia, and every batch has to be tested. > Well thats good news for me, I can stop doing my research into GM free > soy products here.There is certainly debate going on here about > introducing GM species, but I didnt realise it is still illegal. > And if anyone still wants to eat any soy over there in the USA, maybe > you can look for stuff imported from Australia? > love > Peela > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural > remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to > prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from > list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members > free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington > Doctor of Naturopathy > Dr.IanShillington > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2005 Report Share Posted April 5, 2005 Here in the USA, I buy certified Organic Soy milk (most of the ones I see are), which means no GMOs by definition. Joe Message: 9 Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:01:24 -0000 " peelasacha " <peela soy again Hi all, I just got my reply from Vitasoy and they say it is illegal to grow or import any GM soy into Australia, and every batch has to be tested. Well thats good news for me, I can stop doing my research into GM free soy products here.There is certainly debate going on here about introducing GM species, but I didnt realise it is still illegal. And if anyone still wants to eat any soy over there in the USA, maybe you can look for stuff imported from Australia? love Peela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2005 Report Share Posted April 6, 2005 But they process it in the same machines as GM soy. Therein lies the problem. It is not an ethical industry only because a few have poisoned it so badly we cannot sift the good from all the bad. Soy and corn are the most infiltrated foods in regards GM. Soy more so because of its profit margins. Sincerely, Zeb - Joe Anshien herbal remedies Tuesday, April 05, 2005 5:41 PM Herbal Remedies - Re: soy again Here in the USA, I buy certified Organic Soy milk (most of the ones I see are), which means no GMOs by definition. Joe Message: 9 Tue, 05 Apr 2005 10:01:24 -0000 "peelasacha" <peela soy again Hi all, I just got my reply from Vitasoy and they say it is illegal to grow or import any GM soy into Australia, and every batch has to be tested. Well thats good news for me, I can stop doing my research into GM free soy products here.There is certainly debate going on here about introducing GM species, but I didnt realise it is still illegal. And if anyone still wants to eat any soy over there in the USA, maybe you can look for stuff imported from Australia? love Peela Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 See the following: http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_controversy.html The Soy Controversy By Mary G. Enig, PhD http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/soydangers.html The Third International Soy Symposium " Far from being the perfect food, modern soy products contain antinutrients and toxins and they interfere with the absorption of vitamins and minerals. " There is a huge amount of literature on the problems with soy consumption. Yet this shameless hype about the wonders of soy is all over the Internet, heavily funded by the soy agribusiness (primarily Monsanto and Archer-Daniels-Midland, who have huge investments locked up in genetically modified, Round-Up-Ready soy) Also see: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/review/2000-4.html#soy Soy products Personally I know several women who died of cancer of the breast, uterus, or ovaries and who also consumed large amounts of soy. In my practice, I have seen LOTS of people for whom many of their symptoms disappear on stopping consumption of all soy, except for the fermented soy products miso and tempeh: abdominal bloating, indigestion, fatigue, menstrual cramps, generally Liver Invading Spleen type problems. To me the problem is so clear I don't care what " scientific " evidence is presented, the clinical picture speaks more loudly to me than all the hot air being blown hither and thither. ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org > Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:46:57 -0600 > " " >RE: Soy again(and fructose) > >I would like to hear any arguments against the soy stance below... > >-Jason > > >> >> >> On Behalf Of >> snakeoil.works >> Monday, August 29, 2005 7:40 PM >> >> Soy again(and fructose) >> >> Meta eNewsHere is a recent commentary by Metagenics on Soy(and >> incidentally on fructose). Since a discussion on soy was had on cha >> recently, i thought I would fw this as another review of this significant >> matter. >> Ann >> p.s. I have no financial interest in this company and do not mean this as >> a promotional of any product. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ...BULLETIN August 19, 2005 >> Vol. III, No. VII >> >> >> Exclusively for Healthcare Practitioners from >> Metagenics, Inc.-Your Natural Health Sciences Resource >> >> ----------------------------- >> >> >> >> MEDICAL FOODS >> - Separating Fact from Fiction - >> >> Reliable Solutions to Chronic Conditions >> >> Medical foods represent a rapidly increasing >> segment of the nutritional products market. The appeal of medical foods >> stems from their application as safe and effective therapeutic agents. >> Each year, medical foods are used by hundreds of thousands of patients to >> manage complex chronic conditions such as dysglycemia, inflammation, and >> altered body composition. >> >> Under the direction of the Food and Drug >> Administration (FDA), the following criteria define medical foods: >> >> a.. A combination of micronutrients, >> macronutrients, and other food factors combined to nutritionally manage >> specific physiological health challenges or diseases. >> b.. Recognized scientific principles support the >> nutritional composition for the specific condition. >> c.. Medical foods are administered under the >> supervision of a physician or licensed healthcare practitioner. >> Article Summary >> >> a.. Medical foods are therapeutic agents >> that help manage health challenges or diseases >> >> >> b.. Fructose is a natural form of sugar >> that should not be confused with high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) >> >> >> c.. A preponderance of evidence supports >> the health benefits of soy foods >> >> >> d.. Metagenics has a 14-year history of >> creating superior medical foods >> >> >> >> >> The purpose of this paper is to clarify two of the most >> misunderstood claims related to this class of natural therapeutic agents >> and separate fact from fiction. >> >> Unfounded Allegations on Medical Food Ingredients >> >> Myth: Fructose ( " fruit sugar " ) is a harmful food >> ingredient that promotes blood sugar dysregulation and obesity. >> >> Fact: Fructose is a natural form of sugar that >> should not be mistaken as high fructose corn syrup(HFCS)-a modified form >> of corn starch. These are very different substances. Fructose is known to >> have the lowest glycemic index (GI) of any simple sugar. When consumed as >> part of a healthy diet, no adverse effects have been associated with >> modest fructose intake. Furthermore, research demonstrates that moderate >> levels of fructose can improve insulin sensitivity and glycemic control in >> both healthy and diabetic individuals.2 >> >> For more information on fructose, click here >> How Much Fructose is Safe? >> Comparing Medical Foods to Apples >> >> Fructose is a natural sweetener found in >> honey, fruits, berries, and vegetables. Fructose is among the most >> commonly consumed simple sugars-along with glucose (found commonly in >> candy, gum, and jams) and sucrose (table sugar). For example, an apple >> contains an average of 15 to 20 grams of sugar, the majority of which is >> fructose. >> >> Item: Fructose Content: >> Apple 12-18 grams >> UltraInflamXR Original 0 grams >> UltraInflamXR Chocolate Orange 2.2 grams >> UltraMeal PlusR Vanilla 15 grams >> UltraMeal PlusR Chocolate 15 grams >> UltraGlycemXR Original 2 grams >> UltraGlycemXR Chocolate 3 grams >> >> >> >> >> Myth: Soy is an unhealthy and incomplete protein source >> that offers few health benefits. >> >> Fact: A preponderance of evidence supports the benefits >> of soy foods-particularly soy protein and isoflavones-for the promotion of >> overall health. >> >> Many of the negative articles on soy only focus on >> one particular study instead of providing a balanced review of the >> extensive research on soy. Some soy controversies have arisen from >> research that is now viewed as outdated and/or irrelevant. Moreover, many >> articles do not clearly identify which components of soy were examined, >> for example, simply stating " soy protein " without mention to the amount of >> soy isoflavones present.3 >> >> The primary allegations against soy are addressed >> below: >> >> Is Soy Safe? >> >> Cumulative data gathered from epidemiological >> studies of Asian populations with high levels of soy consumption >> demonstrates that dietary soy consumption does not pose a substantial risk >> to overall human health. On the contrary, it has been shown that soy food >> consumption protects against a number of chronic diseases. >> >> How Much Soy Are Americans Eating? >> >> Various ranges of soy intake have been projected. >> While Asian populations consume an average of 10 to 50 grams of soy per >> day, Americans generally consume only 1 to 3 grams daily.4 Advantages of >> Soy Protein Isolates >> >> Soy protein isolates and concentrates are >> high quality, complete protein sources that are well tolerated in >> comparison to animal protein sources. In fact, soy protein can serve as >> the sole source of protein intake for both adults and children. While >> protein accounts for 20% to 30% of the weight for most legumes, it >> accounts for roughly 35% to 38% of the weight for soybeans. The amount of >> protein varies among different soy products: >> >> Soy flour 50% protein >> Soy concentrate 70% protein >> Soy isolate 90% protein >> >> >> >> >> Is Soy a Complete Protein? >> >> Soy is a nutritionally complete protein that offers an >> unusually well-rounded amino acid profile for a plant protein. Soy >> contains adequate quantities of all essential amino acids necessary for >> the building and maintenance of human tissue.5 For many people-especially >> those with hormone imbalances or high blood lipid levels and other >> cariovascular issues-soy provides a superior, lowfat protein source. >> >> Does Soy Prevent Mineral Absorption? >> >> Soy products provide a good balance of nutrients, >> including minerals. Soy proteins with reduced levels of phytic acid, a >> substance found in high fiber foods that can bind minerals in the >> digestive tract, will have little impact on mineral status. Soy protein >> isolates utilized in Metagenics medical foods are produced in a manner to >> reduce phytic acid levels. >> >> Does Soy Have a Negative Impact on Thyroid Function? >> >> Well-designed human clinical trials have demonstrated >> that soy has an insignificant effect on thyroid hormone values in healthy >> individuals.6,7 >> >> What Health Benefits Does Soy Offer? >> >> Soy has been the subject of extensive research and has >> been shown to positively impact:8-13 >> >> a.. Cardiovascular function >> b.. Cholesterol and triglyceride levels >> c.. Estrogen levels >> d.. Breast health >> e.. Prostate health >> f.. Bone density >> In conclusion, due to its history of safe use, support >> by government and scientific leaders, and substantial positive >> epidemiological and experimental data, Metagenics supports the utilization >> of concentrated soy protein in certain medical food applications. ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 But, Brian, the Metagenics UltraClear line contains no soy. Are you saying that the use of the Ultraclear INCREASED their soy sensitivity? The Ultraclear(and UltraClear Plus and UltraClear Sustain and UltraInflamX) all have no soy and use rice protein as the base. As you probably know, the UltraClear Plus was created for those who are designated " pathological detoxifiers " , ie. their Phase II detox lags behind the Phase I, which means that the upregulation of liver detoxification may generate symptoms if their Phase II can't keep up. Thus UC+ was created to provide more nutrients for Phase II conjugation. ann (p.s. Thanks for the link.) Here is another website. I generally give my patients the pros and cons regarding soy and let them make their own choice. I do see a correlation with my hypothyroid patinets and the intake of soy. http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ Also, in the past when using the Ultraclear products several of my own patients experienced an increase of sensitivies with using the soy products. If any of you have studied phenolics you will notice that food that are at the top of the phenolic list are: dairy, tomatoes and soy. These phenolics can produce a number of symptoms if the patient has a sensitivity to any of them. You can contact Desert Biologicals at (800) 827-9529 and ask them for the phenolic articles. This company produces very good homeopathics for health care professionals if you are interested. My generally recommendation for the patient is that if they have no soy allergies or sensitivities, hypothyroid and they keep the phase 1 and phase 2 liver detox pathways opened than I don't see a real problem with the soy except for how and where it is produced which is another subject of importance. Hope this helps Brian http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Maybe they were reacting to GMO soy or pesticide residues, which are very common in commercial soy cultivation. This would make some sense. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac ><snakeoil.works > > >Re: Re: Soy again >Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:43:37 -0400 > >But, Brian, the Metagenics UltraClear line contains no soy. Are you saying >that the use of the Ultraclear INCREASED their soy sensitivity? The >Ultraclear(and UltraClear Plus and UltraClear Sustain and UltraInflamX) all >have no soy and use rice protein as the base. As you probably know, the >UltraClear Plus was created for those who are designated " pathological >detoxifiers " , ie. their Phase II detox lags behind the Phase I, which means >that the upregulation of liver detoxification may generate symptoms if >their Phase II can't keep up. Thus UC+ was created to provide more >nutrients for Phase II conjugation. > >ann > >(p.s. Thanks for the link.) > > > Here is another website. I generally give my patients the pros and cons >regarding soy and let them make their own choice. I do see a correlation >with my hypothyroid patinets and the intake of soy. > > http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ > > Also, in the past when using the Ultraclear products several of my own >patients experienced an increase of sensitivies with using the soy >products. > > If any of you have studied phenolics you will notice that food that are >at the top of the phenolic list are: dairy, tomatoes and soy. These >phenolics can produce a number of symptoms if the patient has a sensitivity >to any of them. You can contact Desert Biologicals at (800) 827-9529 and >ask them for the phenolic articles. > > This company produces very good homeopathics for health care >professionals if you are interested. > > My generally recommendation for the patient is that if they have no soy >allergies or sensitivities, hypothyroid and they keep the phase 1 and phase >2 liver detox pathways opened than I don't see a real problem with the soy >except for how and where it is produced which is another subject of >importance. > > Hope this helps > > Brian > > http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Actually its been a while that I used the products, perhaps it was the ultrameal products that I was using that had the soy. Brian mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: Maybe they were reacting to GMO soy or pesticide residues, which are very common in commercial soy cultivation. This would make some sense. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac ><snakeoil.works > > >Re: Re: Soy again >Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:43:37 -0400 > >But, Brian, the Metagenics UltraClear line contains no soy. Are you saying >that the use of the Ultraclear INCREASED their soy sensitivity? The >Ultraclear(and UltraClear Plus and UltraClear Sustain and UltraInflamX) all >have no soy and use rice protein as the base. As you probably know, the >UltraClear Plus was created for those who are designated " pathological >detoxifiers " , ie. their Phase II detox lags behind the Phase I, which means >that the upregulation of liver detoxification may generate symptoms if >their Phase II can't keep up. Thus UC+ was created to provide more >nutrients for Phase II conjugation. > >ann > >(p.s. Thanks for the link.) > > > Here is another website. I generally give my patients the pros and cons >regarding soy and let them make their own choice. I do see a correlation >with my hypothyroid patinets and the intake of soy. > > http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ > > Also, in the past when using the Ultraclear products several of my own >patients experienced an increase of sensitivies with using the soy >products. > > If any of you have studied phenolics you will notice that food that are >at the top of the phenolic list are: dairy, tomatoes and soy. These >phenolics can produce a number of symptoms if the patient has a sensitivity >to any of them. You can contact Desert Biologicals at (800) 827-9529 and >ask them for the phenolic articles. > > This company produces very good homeopathics for health care >professionals if you are interested. > > My generally recommendation for the patient is that if they have no soy >allergies or sensitivities, hypothyroid and they keep the phase 1 and phase >2 liver detox pathways opened than I don't see a real problem with the soy >except for how and where it is produced which is another subject of >importance. > > Hope this helps > > Brian > > http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Is any one in or can suggest an acupuncturist for a former client now in Naples, Florida? He has hip joint pain. thanks, doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 With all the alarming information on soy, what would you recommend for children to drink who are lactose intolerant? Thanks. Dody Chang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Yes, the UltaMeal products have soy, except for the UltraMeal Rice and UltraMeal Whey. And they contain fructose, which I'm still unsure about. ann Actually its been a while that I used the products, perhaps it was the ultrameal products that I was using that had the soy. Brian mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: Maybe they were reacting to GMO soy or pesticide residues, which are very common in commercial soy cultivation. This would make some sense. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac ><snakeoil.works > > >Re: Re: Soy again >Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:43:37 -0400 > >But, Brian, the Metagenics UltraClear line contains no soy. Are you saying >that the use of the Ultraclear INCREASED their soy sensitivity? The >Ultraclear(and UltraClear Plus and UltraClear Sustain and UltraInflamX) all >have no soy and use rice protein as the base. As you probably know, the >UltraClear Plus was created for those who are designated " pathological >detoxifiers " , ie. their Phase II detox lags behind the Phase I, which means >that the upregulation of liver detoxification may generate symptoms if >their Phase II can't keep up. Thus UC+ was created to provide more >nutrients for Phase II conjugation. > >ann > >(p.s. Thanks for the link.) > > > Here is another website. I generally give my patients the pros and cons >regarding soy and let them make their own choice. I do see a correlation >with my hypothyroid patinets and the intake of soy. > > http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ > > Also, in the past when using the Ultraclear products several of my own >patients experienced an increase of sensitivies with using the soy >products. > > If any of you have studied phenolics you will notice that food that are >at the top of the phenolic list are: dairy, tomatoes and soy. These >phenolics can produce a number of symptoms if the patient has a sensitivity >to any of them. You can contact Desert Biologicals at (800) 827-9529 and >ask them for the phenolic articles. > > This company produces very good homeopathics for health care >professionals if you are interested. > > My generally recommendation for the patient is that if they have no soy >allergies or sensitivities, hypothyroid and they keep the phase 1 and phase >2 liver detox pathways opened than I don't see a real problem with the soy >except for how and where it is produced which is another subject of >importance. > > Hope this helps > > Brian > > http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Water is good and rice milk is also. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac >dody chang <dodychang > > > Re: soy again >Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:04:57 -0700 (PDT) > > >With all the alarming information on soy, what would >you recommend for children to drink who are lactose >intolerant? > >Thanks. > >Dody Chang > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 In addition to rice milk, Pacific Foods out of Oregon makes a number of non-dairy alternatives to soy, including almond milk, multi-grain milk, oat milk and our favorite, hazelnut milk. They can be visited at www.pacificfoods.com Yehuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 On Sep 3, 2005, at 7:56 PM, mike Bowser wrote: > Water is good and rice milk is also. That depends on how it is being used. I would absolutely not use more than a glass or so of rice milk a day. And that depends on the age of the children. Do not use if they are under 2 yo, and perhaps 3yo. It can lead to nutritional deficiencies, not to mention sensitivities to rice. The sugar content of the rice milk can cause mineral depletion, plus the fact it is very low in protein. Rice milk is not a substitute for milk. A better substitute would be almond milk that is unsweetened. Lactose intolerance is uncommon in children under 6 or so. Another alternative would be milk with lactase, kefir or putting lactase in with the milk. Just open the capsule and add it to the milk. Goat's milk is lower in lactose and allegedly easier to digest. Now of course there is the huge anti-milk movement. And of course the anti-soy movement that began this thread. I don't know of an anti-almond milk movement. Maybe I'll start and anti-rice milk movement for those substituting it for milk. ;-) IMHO The truth about soy lies somewhere between Kaalya Daniels book ( " The Whole Soy Story " ) and the propaganda put out by the ASIC (American Soybean Industry Council). Soy isn't the disastrous food that Daniels portrays, nor is it the miracle food suitable for all these crazy soy products (soy nuts, soy milk, soy oil etc). If you use traditional soy products that are fermented (tempeh, natto, miso) it can be properly digested. Soy milk is a byproduct of tofu manufacturing (that is how it originally came about). Using it in small amounts is fine in baked good etc, but taking it out of the fridge and drinking it by the glass full will eventually lead to digestive nightmares and probably and intolerance to the proteins if used often enough. Roger spoke to this with regards to clinical evidence. Regards, George Mandler MS > > > Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > >> dody chang <dodychang >> >> >> Re: soy again >> Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:04:57 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> With all the alarming information on soy, what would >> you recommend for children to drink who are lactose >> intolerant? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Dody Chang >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 Dody, Goat milk is a very good substitute for many people, not as phlegmy as cow, and found in most groceries these days. -Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Thanks to all for your input. Yes, I was aware that for children under 5, rice milk is not a good substitute. my daughter, who is 2 years old, has a milk intolerance - even lactose-free milk has bothered her. we've been using soy milk since she stopped breast-feeding at 16 months. I wasn't sure of an alternative to using soy milk for her. I'll try to see if she will drink goat's milk or almond milk. It sounds like both would need to be supplemented with a liquid multivitamin. toddlers can be very picky about new foods at this age. Dody Chang Sun, 4 Sep 2005 04:19:53 -0400 George Mandler <gmandler Re: Re: soy again On Sep 3, 2005, at 7:56 PM, mike Bowser wrote: > Water is good and rice milk is also. That depends on how it is being used. I would absolutely not use more than a glass or so of rice milk a day. And that depends on the age of the children. Do not use if they are under 2 yo, and perhaps 3yo. It can lead to nutritional deficiencies, not to mention sensitivities to rice. The sugar content of the rice milk can cause mineral depletion, plus the fact it is very low in protein. Rice milk is not a substitute for milk. A better substitute would be almond milk that is unsweetened. Lactose intolerance is uncommon in children under 6 or so. Another alternative would be milk with lactase, kefir or putting lactase in with the milk. Just open the capsule and add it to the milk. Goat's milk is lower in lactose and allegedly easier to digest. Now of course there is the huge anti-milk movement. And of course the anti-soy movement that began this thread. I don't know of an anti-almond milk movement. Maybe I'll start and anti-rice milk movement for those substituting it for milk. ;-) IMHO The truth about soy lies somewhere between Kaalya Daniels book ( " The Whole Soy Story " ) and the propaganda put out by the ASIC (American Soybean Industry Council). Soy isn't the disastrous food that Daniels portrays, nor is it the miracle food suitable for all these crazy soy products (soy nuts, soy milk, soy oil etc). If you use traditional soy products that are fermented (tempeh, natto, miso) it can be properly digested. Soy milk is a byproduct of tofu manufacturing (that is how it originally came about). Using it in small amounts is fine in baked good etc, but taking it out of the fridge and drinking it by the glass full will eventually lead to digestive nightmares and probably and intolerance to the proteins if used often enough. Roger spoke to this with regards to clinical evidence. Regards, George Mandler MS >> dody chang <dodychang >> >> >> Re: soy again >> Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:04:57 -0700 (PDT) >> >> >> With all the alarming information on soy, what would >> you recommend for children to drink who are lactose >> intolerant? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Dody Chang >>Message: 9 Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:46:51 -0700 Paul Gamache <pdgamache re: soy again Dody, Goat milk is a very good substitute for many people, not as phlegmy as cow, and found in most groceries these days. -Paul Message: 10 Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Brian Hardy <mischievous00 Try goats milk with some added liquid multivitamins and minerals Some of the professional companies such as Thorne used to have a recipe for making your own baby formula. You can also go to the website below for more information Hope this helps http://www.westonaprice.org/children/index.html Brian N Hardy ____ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store./redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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