Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 I agree that there is alot of misinformation about soy on the net, but there is a lot of misinformation about everything on the net. I hope I haven't struck a nerve. I have not eliminated soy in our household, but I have decided that large amounts is not a healthy option for our family. Large amounts of anything causing a lopsided diet is not good for anyone. There are simply way too many products available now that are largely comprised of soy products. Soy smoothies, soy burgers, soy energy bars, soy, soy, soy. Not to mention the fact that when you get into processed and packaged foods containing soy, many are not prepared properly. I am not denying that there are health benefits from soy, but I am skeptical of how mainstream this has become and of things like this Solae that is being added to everything like Splenda. I have not heard what you mentioned about the eastern world being shorter due to soy products. I actually heard that they do NOT consume soy the way those in the west do. I have heard that they use it as many would use salt and pepper, not as meat replacement and such. The soy milk decision came initally because I have yet to find a soy milk out there that does not contain any added sugar. It is simply not necessary and not inline how I feed my children. On a different note, I am sorry to hear that you are/were allergic to breastmilk. That is a very rare occurance, if ever really the real allergen. Almost always it is not the breastmilk, per se, it is something that the mother is ingesting that is passing through. For example, I got the line that my daughter must have been allergic to my breastmilk and she should have been put on formula, until I stopped eating/drinking all dairy products. Problem solved. But, I will assume that issue was taken into consideration, since you know that you are allergic to dairy as well. Odd that the elimination of that in your mother's diet wouldn't have helped. Now, that I have " defended " my decision to reduce the consumption of soy in our house ;-), I think this probably has gotten a bit off the topic of Herbal Remedies. I got a name and phone number of a naturopath to call about my son's teeth from the acupucnture office yesterday. I plan on calling them later today to see what they might be able to do. The woman I spoke with yesterday does agree that there is quite possibly a problem with his Calcium/Magesium absorption. We have already been into the pediatric dentist, who is excellent, but doesn't know what's really causing or any ideas on how to prevent further damage. He just discussed the possibility of it progressing to him needing his little teeth replaced in the future. Have a great day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (RUMOR HAS IT THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO HIT 64 DEGREES IN THE STATE OF WI!!!)) Kelly Message: 13 Tue, 29 Mar 2005 04:38:20 -0000 " hveragerthi " <hveragerthi Re: lack of tooth enamel...is there something I can do??? Soy is not as bad as many of the websites have made it out to be. There is a lot of misinformation on soy on the net. For instance they claim it is a goitergen. This is true, but goitergens are destroyed by fermentation or cooking. Soy products are almost always cooked or fermented. Then they claim it is an antinutrient due to the phytic acid content. What people are not being told is that phytic acid is found in nearly all seeds/grains. Furthermore phytic acid (inositol hexaphosphate, IP6) is sold as an anticancer compound in health food stores. Also if the phytic acid is already saturated with minerals the plant picked up from the soil then how can it rob minerals from the body. They also claim that soy is high in aluminum from washing the beans in aluminum tanks with sulfuric acid. This one is real easy to prove false. First of all the acid would react with the aluminum producing aluminum sulfate (alum) and lots of highly dangerous hydrogen gas!!! Secondly, sulfuric acid is a very hygroscopic acid. It will literally pull hydrogen and oxygen from organic substances leaving behind carbon. My old roommate learned this the hard way when she knocked my sulfuric acid over on the carpet. Another claim is that I heard was that Orientals are so short due to their high intake of soy. Pretty hard to believe considering that I was raised on soy since I was allergic to mother's milk and cow's milk, yet I am 6'2 " . And I do not suffer from any health problems. Breast milk is better than any other drink for infants. Mother's milk is not a singular milk, but rather a series of milks that change to meet the baby's development. The original milk (colostrum) is antibody rich, which helps to support the immune system until the baby can develop its own immune system. Then the fat content increases to develop the brain and the rest of the nervous system. Then the protein content increases for muscle development. And finally mineral content increases to meet skeletal development demands. In addition the mother's milk provides beneficial flora that serve many functions. Breast feeding is especially important for babies taken by cesarean section for this reason. During vaginal birth the baby gets flora from vaginal excretions pushed in to the baby's mouth during birthing. Therefore vaginal birthed babies are primarily colonized with beneficial bacteria. Though babies taken by cesarean section are first exposed to harmful pathogens in the hospital, and these pathogens become the primary initial colonizing bacteria. The good news is that breast feeding can provide beneficial flora that can build up and displace the pathogenic bacteria. Another note along these same lines. As I pointed out the baby utilizes the mother's antibodies initially. In order for these antibodies to be absorbed the gut must be permeable to these proteins. Therefore, the gut of an infant is permeable to proteins for the first several years of life. Why is this important? Because dangerous foreign proteins, such as those found in cow's milk, can also be absorbed leading to immune reactions. Therefore it is best to breastfeed for at least the first two years of life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Dear Kelly, No apologies necessary. Your take on Soy is correct. I've taken it a step further and taken it out of our family's diet for good. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-447-5282Doc - Kelly Meerdink herbal remedies Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:44 AM Herbal Remedies - RE: hveragerthi~ SOY I agree that there is alot of misinformation about soy on the net, butthere is a lot of misinformation about everything on the net. I hope Ihaven't struck a nerve. I have not eliminated soy in our household, but Ihave decided that large amounts is not a healthy option for our family. Large amounts of anything causing a lopsided diet is not good for anyone. There are simply way too many products available now that are largelycomprised of soy products. Soy smoothies, soy burgers, soy energy bars,soy, soy, soy. Not to mention the fact that when you get into processedand packaged foods containing soy, many are not prepared properly. I amnot denying that there are health benefits from soy, but I am skeptical ofhow mainstream this has become and of things like this Solae that is beingadded to everything like Splenda. I have not heard what you mentionedabout the eastern world being shorter due to soy products. I actuallyheard that they do NOT consume soy the way those in the west do. I haveheard that they use it as many would use salt and pepper, not as meatreplacement and such. The soy milk decision came initally because I haveyet to find a soy milk out there that does not contain any added sugar. Itis simply not necessary and not inline how I feed my children.On a different note, I am sorry to hear that you are/were allergic tobreastmilk. That is a very rare occurance, if ever really the realallergen. Almost always it is not the breastmilk, per se, it is somethingthat the mother is ingesting that is passing through. For example, I gotthe line that my daughter must have been allergic to my breastmilk and sheshould have been put on formula, until I stopped eating/drinking all dairyproducts. Problem solved. But, I will assume that issue was taken intoconsideration, since you know that you are allergic to dairy as well. Oddthat the elimination of that in your mother's diet wouldn't have helped. Now, that I have "defended" my decision to reduce the consumption of soy inour house ;-), I think this probably has gotten a bit off the topic ofHerbal Remedies. I got a name and phone number of a naturopath to callabout my son's teeth from the acupucnture office yesterday. I plan oncalling them later today to see what they might be able to do. The woman Ispoke with yesterday does agree that there is quite possibly a problem withhis Calcium/Magesium absorption. We have already been into the pediatricdentist, who is excellent, but doesn't know what's really causing or anyideas on how to prevent further damage. He just discussed the possibilityof it progressing to him needing his little teeth replaced in the future. Have a great day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (RUMOR HAS IT THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO HIT64 DEGREES IN THE STATE OF WI!!!))Kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Doc, thanks for the support! By not elminating it from our diet, all I mean is that I haven't " banned " every single thing that might have it listed as a minor ingredient. Are you saying that perhaps I should do that? We are already dairy and wheat free, what's one more ;-) Kelly herbal remedies , " Dr. Ian Shillington " <DocShillington@K...> wrote: > Dear Kelly, > No apologies necessary. > Your take on Soy is correct. I've taken it a step further and taken it out of our family's diet for good. > Love, > Doc > > Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. > 727-447-5282 > Doc@A... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 I would hon. The Soy industry is just not to be trusted nowadays. Love, Doc Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-447-5282Doc - Kelly herbal remedies Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:16 PM Re: Herbal Remedies - RE: hveragerthi~ SOY Doc,thanks for the support! By not elminating it from our diet, all I mean is that I haven't "banned" every single thing that might have it listed as a minor ingredient. Are you saying that perhaps I should do that? We are already dairy and wheat free, what's one more ;-)Kellyherbal remedies , "Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington@K...> wrote:> Dear Kelly,> No apologies necessary.> Your take on Soy is correct. I've taken it a step further and taken it out of our family's diet for good.> Love,> Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2005 Report Share Posted March 30, 2005 Dear Doc, Sounds like a plan then! Oh, by the way, our mystery person is a man and, in case you don't already know, his name is James Sloane. Now he is emailing me off list, and perhaps others as well. I haven't responded though. For someone who is so concerned about cyberstalkers being after him, he is concerning me a bit now. Well, not too much, but you know what I mean. BTW (again) are you in the Clearwater area? I have lots of family there and recognized the area code. Have a great day!!! Kelly herbal remedies , " Dr. Ian Shillington " <DocShillington@K...> wrote: > I would hon. > The Soy industry is just not to be trusted nowadays. > Love, > Doc > > Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D. > 727-447-5282 > Doc@A... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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