RE: hveragerthi~ SOY

[Guest guest]

I agree that there is alot of misinformation about soy on the net, but

there is a lot of misinformation about everything on the net. I hope I

haven't struck a nerve. I have not eliminated soy in our household, but I

have decided that large amounts is not a healthy option for our family.

Large amounts of anything causing a lopsided diet is not good for anyone.

There are simply way too many products available now that are largely

comprised of soy products. Soy smoothies, soy burgers, soy energy bars,

soy, soy, soy. Not to mention the fact that when you get into processed

and packaged foods containing soy, many are not prepared properly. I am

not denying that there are health benefits from soy, but I am skeptical of

how mainstream this has become and of things like this Solae that is being

added to everything like Splenda. I have not heard what you mentioned

about the eastern world being shorter due to soy products. I actually

heard that they do NOT consume soy the way those in the west do. I have

heard that they use it as many would use salt and pepper, not as meat

replacement and such. The soy milk decision came initally because I have

yet to find a soy milk out there that does not contain any added sugar. It

is simply not necessary and not inline how I feed my children.

 

On a different note, I am sorry to hear that you are/were allergic to

breastmilk. That is a very rare occurance, if ever really the real

allergen. Almost always it is not the breastmilk, per se, it is something

that the mother is ingesting that is passing through. For example, I got

the line that my daughter must have been allergic to my breastmilk and she

should have been put on formula, until I stopped eating/drinking all dairy

products. Problem solved. But, I will assume that issue was taken into

consideration, since you know that you are allergic to dairy as well. Odd

that the elimination of that in your mother's diet wouldn't have helped.

 

 

Now, that I have " defended " my decision to reduce the consumption of soy in

our house ;-), I think this probably has gotten a bit off the topic of

Herbal Remedies. I got a name and phone number of a naturopath to call

about my son's teeth from the acupucnture office yesterday. I plan on

calling them later today to see what they might be able to do. The woman I

spoke with yesterday does agree that there is quite possibly a problem with

his Calcium/Magesium absorption. We have already been into the pediatric

dentist, who is excellent, but doesn't know what's really causing or any

ideas on how to prevent further damage. He just discussed the possibility

of it progressing to him needing his little teeth replaced in the future.

 

Have a great day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (RUMOR HAS IT THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO HIT

64 DEGREES IN THE STATE OF WI!!!))

 

Kelly

 

 

 

Message: 13

Tue, 29 Mar 2005 04:38:20 -0000

" hveragerthi " <hveragerthi

Re: lack of tooth enamel...is there something I can do???

 

 

 

Soy is not as bad as many of the websites have made it out to be.

There is a lot of misinformation on soy on the net. For instance they

claim it is a goitergen. This is true, but goitergens are destroyed

by fermentation or cooking. Soy products are almost always cooked or

fermented. Then they claim it is an antinutrient due to the phytic

acid content. What people are not being told is that phytic acid is

found in nearly all seeds/grains. Furthermore phytic acid (inositol

hexaphosphate, IP6) is sold as an anticancer compound in health food

stores. Also if the phytic acid is already saturated with minerals

the plant picked up from the soil then how can it rob minerals from

the body. They also claim that soy is high in aluminum from washing

the beans in aluminum tanks with sulfuric acid. This one is real easy

to prove false. First of all the acid would react with the aluminum

producing aluminum sulfate (alum) and lots of highly dangerous

hydrogen gas!!! Secondly, sulfuric acid is a very hygroscopic acid.

It will literally pull hydrogen and oxygen from organic substances

leaving behind carbon. My old roommate learned this the hard way when

she knocked my sulfuric acid over on the carpet. Another claim is

that I heard was that Orientals are so short due to their high intake

of soy. Pretty hard to believe considering that I was raised on soy

since I was allergic to mother's milk and cow's milk, yet I am 6'2 " .

And I do not suffer from any health problems.

Breast milk is better than any other drink for infants. Mother's milk

is not a singular milk, but rather a series of milks that change to

meet the baby's development. The original milk (colostrum) is

antibody rich, which helps to support the immune system until the

baby can develop its own immune system. Then the fat content

increases to develop the brain and the rest of the nervous system.

Then the protein content increases for muscle development. And

finally mineral content increases to meet skeletal development

demands.

In addition the mother's milk provides beneficial flora that serve

many functions. Breast feeding is especially important for babies

taken by cesarean section for this reason. During vaginal birth the

baby gets flora from vaginal excretions pushed in to the baby's mouth

during birthing. Therefore vaginal birthed babies are primarily

colonized with beneficial bacteria. Though babies taken by cesarean

section are first exposed to harmful pathogens in the hospital, and

these pathogens become the primary initial colonizing bacteria. The

good news is that breast feeding can provide beneficial flora that

can build up and displace the pathogenic bacteria.

Another note along these same lines. As I pointed out the baby

utilizes the mother's antibodies initially. In order for these

antibodies to be absorbed the gut must be permeable to these

proteins. Therefore, the gut of an infant is permeable to proteins

for the first several years of life. Why is this important? Because

dangerous foreign proteins, such as those found in cow's milk, can

also be absorbed leading to immune reactions. Therefore it is best to

breastfeed for at least the first two years of life.

[Guest guest]

Dear Kelly,

No apologies necessary.

Your take on Soy is correct. I've taken it a step further and taken it out of our family's diet for good.

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-447-5282Doc

 

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Kelly Meerdink

herbal remedies

Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:44 AM

Herbal Remedies - RE: hveragerthi~ SOY

I agree that there is alot of misinformation about soy on the net, butthere is a lot of misinformation about everything on the net. I hope Ihaven't struck a nerve. I have not eliminated soy in our household, but Ihave decided that large amounts is not a healthy option for our family. Large amounts of anything causing a lopsided diet is not good for anyone. There are simply way too many products available now that are largelycomprised of soy products. Soy smoothies, soy burgers, soy energy bars,soy, soy, soy. Not to mention the fact that when you get into processedand packaged foods containing soy, many are not prepared properly. I amnot denying that there are health benefits from soy, but I am skeptical ofhow mainstream this has become and of things like this Solae that is beingadded to everything like Splenda. I have not heard what you mentionedabout the eastern world being shorter due to soy products. I actuallyheard that they do NOT consume soy the way those in the west do. I haveheard that they use it as many would use salt and pepper, not as meatreplacement and such. The soy milk decision came initally because I haveyet to find a soy milk out there that does not contain any added sugar. Itis simply not necessary and not inline how I feed my children.On a different note, I am sorry to hear that you are/were allergic tobreastmilk. That is a very rare occurance, if ever really the realallergen. Almost always it is not the breastmilk, per se, it is somethingthat the mother is ingesting that is passing through. For example, I gotthe line that my daughter must have been allergic to my breastmilk and sheshould have been put on formula, until I stopped eating/drinking all dairyproducts. Problem solved. But, I will assume that issue was taken intoconsideration, since you know that you are allergic to dairy as well. Oddthat the elimination of that in your mother's diet wouldn't have helped. Now, that I have "defended" my decision to reduce the consumption of soy inour house ;-), I think this probably has gotten a bit off the topic ofHerbal Remedies. I got a name and phone number of a naturopath to callabout my son's teeth from the acupucnture office yesterday. I plan oncalling them later today to see what they might be able to do. The woman Ispoke with yesterday does agree that there is quite possibly a problem withhis Calcium/Magesium absorption. We have already been into the pediatricdentist, who is excellent, but doesn't know what's really causing or anyideas on how to prevent further damage. He just discussed the possibilityof it progressing to him needing his little teeth replaced in the future. Have a great day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (RUMOR HAS IT THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO HIT64 DEGREES IN THE STATE OF WI!!!))Kelly

[Guest guest]

Doc,

 

thanks for the support! By not elminating it from our diet, all I

mean is that I haven't " banned " every single thing that might have it

listed as a minor ingredient. Are you saying that perhaps I should do

that? We are already dairy and wheat free, what's one more ;-)

 

Kelly

 

herbal remedies , " Dr. Ian Shillington "

<DocShillington@K...> wrote:

> Dear Kelly,

> No apologies necessary.

> Your take on Soy is correct. I've taken it a step further and taken

it out of our family's diet for good.

> Love,

> Doc

>

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

> 727-447-5282

> Doc@A...

[Guest guest]

I would hon.

The Soy industry is just not to be trusted nowadays.

Love,

Doc

 

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-447-5282Doc

 

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Kelly

herbal remedies

Tuesday, March 29, 2005 6:16 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - RE: hveragerthi~ SOY

Doc,thanks for the support! By not elminating it from our diet, all I mean is that I haven't "banned" every single thing that might have it listed as a minor ingredient. Are you saying that perhaps I should do that? We are already dairy and wheat free, what's one more ;-)Kellyherbal remedies , "Dr. Ian Shillington" <DocShillington@K...> wrote:> Dear Kelly,> No apologies necessary.> Your take on Soy is correct. I've taken it a step further and taken it out of our family's diet for good.> Love,> Doc

[Guest guest]

Dear Doc,

 

Sounds like a plan then! Oh, by the way, our mystery person is a man

and, in case you don't already know, his name is James Sloane. Now he

is emailing me off list, and perhaps others as well. I haven't

responded though. For someone who is so concerned about cyberstalkers

being after him, he is concerning me a bit now. Well, not too much,

but you know what I mean.

 

BTW (again) are you in the Clearwater area? I have lots of family

there and recognized the area code.

 

Have a great day!!!

 

Kelly

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " Dr. Ian Shillington "

<DocShillington@K...> wrote:

> I would hon.

> The Soy industry is just not to be trusted nowadays.

> Love,

> Doc

>

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

> 727-447-5282

> Doc@A...