RE: deodorant stones (was: ADVERTISEMENT)

March 28, 2005

I have posted before that the ingredients in the deodorant stones looked

like it had something in it like aluminum, but it WASN'T the aluminum

that we're all trying to avoid. I have found some more detailed

information to explaing this -

Potassium Alum occurs naturally in such minerals as Alunite (alum

stone), Bauxite and Kalinite. Potassium alum is commercially produced

through a leaching process or a mother liquor process.

The alum that is used in the deodorant stone is in the salt form, not

the metallic form.

Alum is a natural element in nature, is present in the water we drink,

in almost all the

foods we eat and in the air we breathe. According to a study at the

University of Wisconsin the average American adult diet includes between

20 to 60 milligrams of alum per day 1 of which 20 to 50 milligrams come

from FDA approved food additives. Another 2 to 10 milligrams come from

the natural content of the foods eaten.

In its natural form. alum is the third most abundant element in nature,

after oxygen and silicon. It has been part of our environment since the

beginning of time and is one of the basic building blocks of our

universe. It makes up almost 8% of the earth's crust, surpassed in

quantity only by oxygen at 47% and silicon at 28%. It is the soil and

clays that only when processed, produces metallic aluminium products.

Please do not be scared off the deodorant stones because of someone

saying they contain " aluminum " ! Do your research. It's not the same

thing.

Best,

Kelli

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| hveragerthi [hveragerthi]

| Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:11 PM

| herbal remedies

| Re: Herbal Remedies -

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| Keep in mind that these deodorant stones generally contain aluminum

| salts.

March 29, 2005

Alum is not an element, it is a compound. Aluminum is the element,

which is primarily found in the ore bauxite, in which we commercially

derive aluminum from.

Alum is an alumimum salt (alumimum sulfate, Al2(SO4)), and is not

benign:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=8614395 & dopt=Abstract

Med Pediatr Oncol. 1996 Jul;27(1):64-7.

Aluminum toxicity following intravesical alum irrigation for

hemorrhagic cystitis.

Kanwar VS, Jenkins JJ 3rd, Mandrell BN, Furman WL.

Department of Hematology Oncology, St. Jude Children's Research

Hospital, Mcmphis, TN 38101-0318, USA.

Mental status changes in an immunosuppressed child can be due to a

variety of causes; aluminum toxicity is rarely considered. We report

a teenage girl with acute lymphoblastic leukemia who developed mental

status changes, speech disturbance, coarse tremor, and abnormal EEG

findings following intravesical 1% alum irrigation and administration

of aluminum-containing antacids. Her serum aluminum levels were

mildly elevated (14-22 milligram(s), normal 0-6 milligram(s)), and

bone marrow biopsy specimens demonstrated aluminum deposition on

special staining (Krueger's method). All abnormalities resolved after

a nine-week course of intravenous deferoxamine.

http://www.amjmedsci.com/pt/re/ajms/abstract.00000441-199909000-

00013.htm;jsessionid=CIF12FdcAFp0Pji3r191JoICKWOIuNiysZzM6p83pgZ9dkXWr

1MC!-404129873!-949856031!9001!-1

Encephalopathy after Bladder Irrigation with Alum: Case Report and

Literature Review.

American Journal of the Medical Sciences. 318(3):181, September 1999.

Phelps, Kenneth R. MD; Naylor, Kelli MD; Brien, Thomas P. MD; Wilbur,

Harry MD; Haqqie, Syed S. MD

Abstract:

A 70-year-old man with advanced obstructive nephropathy began to

hemorrhage from the bladder after decompression with a Foley

catheter. Manifestations of encephalopathy appeared after continuous

irrigation with 1% alum for 2 days and were associated with elevated

serum aluminum concentrations. Repeated treatments with deferoxamine

and hemodialysis accomplished some aluminum removal, but the patient

succumbed to bronchopneumonia. Brain aluminum content was not

excessive at autopsy. A literature review suggests that intact renal

function is essential to rapid disposal of a parenteral aluminum load

and indicates that most reported instances of encephalopathy after

alum irrigation have occurred in patients with compromised renal

function. We conclude that alum should not be employed as a bladder

irrigant in patients with acute or chronic renal failure.

As far as how alum is produced, commercial alum is produced by the

reaction of sulfuric acid on aluminum ores, such as shale and

bauxite, or on aluminum hydoxide:

http://www.bisley.com.au/industryzones/zonesub.asp?industry=5 & id=94

" Alum is a white crystalline product. It has many trade names

including " pearl alum " , " pickle alum " , " papermakers' alum " etc. It is

produced from the treatment of aluminium hydroxide with sulphuric

acid. Its most common chemical formula is Al2(SO 4)3.18H 2O. "

Deodorant crystals are made by this process on bauxite, it is not

mined alum. The alum is created synthetically.

And from the MSDS for alum:

http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/AL/aluminium_sulfate.html

" Toxicology

Harmful by inhalation, ingestion and through skin absorption. May

irritate skin. Severe eye irritant. "

Here is a link with information about aluminum toxicity, which

includes reference to use of alum products:

http://www.healthy.net/asp/templates/article.asp?

pageType=article & Id=1958

Keep in mind that aluminum DOES NOT have to be in its elemental form

to be harmful. Though if you want to look at it that way then you

should also be aware of the electromotive series of chemicals.

Anything higher on the list can displace anything lower on the list

from its compound. Now consider the fact that more reactive

compounds, such as sodium (Na) and calcium (Ca) are more reactive

than aluminum (Al). So what happens when sodium or calcium displaces

the aluminum from the alum (aluminum sulfate)?

http://www.sec.org.za/chem/c12rdse.html

Electromotive series

Li

K

Na

Ca

Mg

Al

Zn

Fe

Ni

Pb

Cu

Ag

Au

For example:

Na + Al2(SO4)--> NaSO4 + 2Al

herbal remedies , " Kelli Bever " <kelli@c...>

wrote:

>

> I have posted before that the ingredients in the deodorant stones

looked

> like it had something in it like aluminum, but it WASN'T the

aluminum

> that we're all trying to avoid. I have found some more detailed

> information to explaing this -

>

> Potassium Alum occurs naturally in such minerals as Alunite (alum

> stone), Bauxite and Kalinite. Potassium alum is commercially

produced

> through a leaching process or a mother liquor process.

>

> The alum that is used in the deodorant stone is in the salt form,

not

> the metallic form.

>

> Alum is a natural element in nature, is present in the water we

drink,

> in almost all the

> foods we eat and in the air we breathe. According to a study at the

> University of Wisconsin the average American adult diet includes

between

> 20 to 60 milligrams of alum per day 1 of which 20 to 50 milligrams

come

> from FDA approved food additives. Another 2 to 10 milligrams come

from

> the natural content of the foods eaten.

>

> In its natural form. alum is the third most abundant element in

nature,

> after oxygen and silicon. It has been part of our environment since

the

> beginning of time and is one of the basic building blocks of our

> universe. It makes up almost 8% of the earth's crust, surpassed in

> quantity only by oxygen at 47% and silicon at 28%. It is the soil

and

> clays that only when processed, produces metallic aluminium

products.

>

> Please do not be scared off the deodorant stones because of someone

> saying they contain " aluminum " ! Do your research. It's not the same

> thing.

>

> Best,

> Kelli

>

> |

> | hveragerthi [hveragerthi]

> | Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:11 PM

> | herbal remedies

> | Re: Herbal Remedies -

> |

> | Keep in mind that these deodorant stones generally contain

aluminum

> | salts.

March 29, 2005

Heya Kelli,

I'd like to add that I've been using these for years and I put them on at night before going to bed, wake up, go through the entire day and only sometimes, 20 hours after using it do I start to get a smell at all and its very mild. This may have to do with my diet as it's quite good, but I think a lot has to do with showering before sleeping and using it right away when drenched from the shower.

Thanks Kelli for clearing that "Potassium Alum" thing up, one of those things I ignored but had attention on.

Love,

Zebbers

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Kelli Bever

herbal remedies

Monday, March 28, 2005 1:29 PM

RE: Herbal Remedies - deodorant stones (was: )

I have posted before that the ingredients in the deodorant stones lookedlike it had something in it like aluminum, but it WASN'T the aluminumthat we're all trying to avoid. I have found some more detailedinformation to explaing this -Potassium Alum occurs naturally in such minerals as Alunite (alumstone), Bauxite and Kalinite. Potassium alum is commercially producedthrough a leaching process or a mother liquor process.The alum that is used in the deodorant stone is in the salt form, notthe metallic form.Alum is a natural element in nature, is present in the water we drink,in almost all the foods we eat and in the air we breathe. According to a study at theUniversity of Wisconsin the average American adult diet includes between20 to 60 milligrams of alum per day 1 of which 20 to 50 milligrams comefrom FDA approved food additives. Another 2 to 10 milligrams come fromthe natural content of the foods eaten.In its natural form. alum is the third most abundant element in nature,after oxygen and silicon. It has been part of our environment since thebeginning of time and is one of the basic building blocks of ouruniverse. It makes up almost 8% of the earth's crust, surpassed inquantity only by oxygen at 47% and silicon at 28%. It is the soil andclays that only when processed, produces metallic aluminium products. Please do not be scared off the deodorant stones because of someonesaying they contain "aluminum"! Do your research. It's not the samething. Best,Kelli| | hveragerthi [hveragerthi] | Saturday, March 26, 2005 6:11 PM| herbal remedies | Re: Herbal Remedies - | | Keep in mind that these deodorant stones generally contain aluminum | salts.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington