Tincture Question - Total Tonic Recipe

[Guest guest]

Hello Zenny, You have to strain the vinegar out of the mash. If you have too little vinegar then you won't get much out in way of liquid but if you put 3 cups of vinegar you should get back 3 cups of total tonic sine all of the herbs were full of water upon creation of the formula. So you put in a strainer and you push a spoon up against it gently so as not to break the strainer handle. Or you can use a very clean shirt and twist it until nothing more comes out, but the shirt soaks up so much that I prefer the strainer method. This is usually a very light tannish color. After a few weeks it should settle to 1/4 - 1/3 menstrum (liquid) compared to 3/4 - 2/3's plant matter.Love,Zeb- "zengirl04" <zengirl04<herbal remedies >Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:47 PMHerbal Remedies - Tincture Question - Total Tonic Recipe>>>> I have not made a tincture before. The recipe for Total Tonic says> to either "use the mash right away" or "wait 2 weeks and tincture">> I'm not clear on how to make the tincture from this liquid mash when> I compare it against the directions in the file for making a> tincture.>> Could someone clarify the directions for me?>> Thanks,> Karen

[Guest guest]

Zeb, Thanks for the reply. Okay, so I don't have to use the

alcohol- the vinegar is enough to create the tincture! That's much

easier. I hate to keep asking questions, but ... 1) Is there any

difference in how long the tincture lasts since there is no alcohol,

and 2) What is considered a dose? I think Kelli said she takes it

daily.

 

Karen

 

herbal remedies , " Office Manager "

<office@a...> wrote:

> Hello Zenny,

>

> You have to strain the vinegar out of the mash. If you have

too little

> vinegar then you won't get much out in way of liquid but if you

put 3 cups

> of vinegar you should get back 3 cups of total tonic sine all of

the herbs

> were full of water upon creation of the formula. So you put in a

strainer

> and you push a spoon up against it gently so as not to break the

strainer

> handle. Or you can use a very clean shirt and twist it until

nothing more

> comes out, but the shirt soaks up so much that I prefer the

strainer method.

>

> This is usually a very light tannish color. After a few weeks

it should

> settle to 1/4 - 1/3 menstrum (liquid) compared to 3/4 - 2/3's

plant matter.

>

> Love,

>

> Zeb

>

>

> -

> " zengirl04 " <zengirl04>

> <herbal remedies >

> Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:47 PM

> Herbal Remedies - Tincture Question - Total Tonic Recipe

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > I have not made a tincture before. The recipe for Total Tonic

says

> > to either " use the mash right away " or " wait 2 weeks and

tincture "

> >

> > I'm not clear on how to make the tincture from this liquid mash

when

> > I compare it against the directions in the file for making a

> > tincture.

> >

> > Could someone clarify the directions for me?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Karen

[Guest guest]

For total Tonic, there is nothing other than ACV. Alcohol just doesn't work

well with these fresh herbs and foods. ACV I have noticed can go bad over

time. Takes long but compared to alcohol it's lousy. An alcohol tincture

if stored properly will go for years and years and years. Forget about it

for 10 years and if made with high quality ingredients it'll be the same as

when you first bought it. ACV might just be off and horrible after about 5

years. This is without exposure to air after pressing it.

 

So understand that Apple Cider Vinegar is from a plant and is not as refined

as alcohol. So it will go bad. Warmth, direct sunlight, exposure to air

and bad quality components all reduce lifespan and strength of a tincture

whether ACV or Alcohol but ACV far worse than alcohol.

 

Some formulas are made with olive oil and those are even less long

lasting. About 1 year at the most, with great storage conditions. Far less

if storage conditions less than perfect.

 

Hope this helps...

 

Zeb

 

-

" zengirl04 " <zengirl04

<herbal remedies >

Friday, March 04, 2005 10:26 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Tincture Question - Total Tonic Recipe

 

 

>

>

>

> Zeb, Thanks for the reply. Okay, so I don't have to use the

> alcohol- the vinegar is enough to create the tincture! That's much

> easier. I hate to keep asking questions, but ... 1) Is there any

> difference in how long the tincture lasts since there is no alcohol,

> and 2) What is considered a dose? I think Kelli said she takes it

> daily.

>

> Karen

>

> herbal remedies , " Office Manager "

> <office@a...> wrote:

>> Hello Zenny,

>>

>> You have to strain the vinegar out of the mash. If you have

> too little

>> vinegar then you won't get much out in way of liquid but if you

> put 3 cups

>> of vinegar you should get back 3 cups of total tonic sine all of

> the herbs

>> were full of water upon creation of the formula. So you put in a

> strainer

>> and you push a spoon up against it gently so as not to break the

> strainer

>> handle. Or you can use a very clean shirt and twist it until

> nothing more

>> comes out, but the shirt soaks up so much that I prefer the

> strainer method.

>>

>> This is usually a very light tannish color. After a few weeks

> it should

>> settle to 1/4 - 1/3 menstrum (liquid) compared to 3/4 - 2/3's

> plant matter.

>>

>> Love,

>>

>> Zeb

>>

>>

>> -

>> " zengirl04 " <zengirl04>

>> <herbal remedies >

>> Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:47 PM

>> Herbal Remedies - Tincture Question - Total Tonic Recipe

>>

>>

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > I have not made a tincture before. The recipe for Total Tonic

> says

>> > to either " use the mash right away " or " wait 2 weeks and

> tincture "

>> >

>> > I'm not clear on how to make the tincture from this liquid mash

> when

>> > I compare it against the directions in the file for making a

>> > tincture.

>> >

>> > Could someone clarify the directions for me?

>> >

>> > Thanks,

>> > Karen

>

>

>

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural

> remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and

> to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long

> as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

> person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from

> list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

> members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

[Guest guest]

<snip.

> Okay, so I don't have to use the alcohol- the vinegar

> is enough to create the tincture!

 

This dependant upon what is in the herb and what you want to get out

of the herb.

If the herb contains alkaloids and you wish to use those alkaloids,

vinegar could be your best menstruum. Some things in herbs are

best extracted by water or alcohol.

Oil and glycerin can also be used as menstruums. Herbs that are

resinous or oily do not extract well in glycerin.

 

Example; if you want the resins in calendula, you use a high

percentage of alcohol.

If you use oil as a menstruum for calendula you will not avail those

resins to your extraction. For what you are going to use the

calendula for, that might be a desired effect however.

 

If the qualities of an herb are best accessed in water and one

intends to preserve it, alcohol can be added to at least 20% as

a preservative when decanting it.

 

<snip>

> 1) Is there any difference in how long the tincture lasts since

> there is no alcohol,

 

water; about 24 hours

vinegar; 1 -3 years if kept in a cool dark place like a refrigerator

oil; one year if kept in air proof container in a cool dark place

glycerin; 1 - 3 years

 

> 2) What is considered a dose? I think Kelli said she takes it

> daily.

 

With herbs in general, every practicioner has their own formula that

takes into consideration both the assessment of the client AND the

strength of the herbal medicine extracted.

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

A very good book on making herbal medicine is " The Herbal

Medicine-Maker's Handbook " by James Green.

In it he presents lists of what herbs are solvent best in what

mensruums and how to do it.

 

Penel

[Guest guest]

Hi,

 

The regular dosage of TT is 1-2 dropperfuls 3 times a day. You can take more if you need to.

 

love

Lisa

 

-

zengirl04

herbal remedies

Friday, March 04, 2005 9:08 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Tincture Question - Total Tonic Recipe

Thank you Penel. This is good general information as I do plan to make tinctures of some of the herbs growing in my garden. I'll look for the book you suggested.As far as the dose question is concerned, I was asking specifically about the dose of the Total Tonic recipe in the forum files. This is easy enough to make, but I wasn't sure how much to take. (Didn't mean to rhyme.) <g>> > 2) What is considered a dose? I think Kelli said she takes it > > daily.> > With herbs in general, every practicioner has their own formula that> takes into consideration both the assessment of the client AND the > strength of the herbal medicine extracted. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> A very good book on making herbal medicine is "The Herbal> Medicine-Maker's Handbook" by James Green.> In it he presents lists of what herbs are solvent best in what> mensruums and how to do it.> > Penel

[Guest guest]

Keep tinctures refrigerated.

 

 

-- In herbal remedies , " Office Manager "

<office@a...> wrote:

> For total Tonic, there is nothing other than ACV. Alcohol just

doesn't work

> well with these fresh herbs and foods. ACV I have noticed can go

bad over

> time. Takes long but compared to alcohol it's lousy. An alcohol

tincture

> if stored properly will go for years and years and years. Forget

about it

> for 10 years and if made with high quality ingredients it'll be

the same as

> when you first bought it. ACV might just be off and horrible

after about 5

> years. This is without exposure to air after pressing it.

>

> So understand that Apple Cider Vinegar is from a plant and is not

as refined

> as alcohol. So it will go bad. Warmth, direct sunlight, exposure

to air

> and bad quality components all reduce lifespan and strength of a

tincture

> whether ACV or Alcohol but ACV far worse than alcohol.

>

> Some formulas are made with olive oil and those are even less

long

> lasting. About 1 year at the most, with great storage

conditions. Far less

> if storage conditions less than perfect.

>

> Hope this helps...

>

> Zeb

>

> -

> " zengirl04 " <zengirl04>

> <herbal remedies >

> Friday, March 04, 2005 10:26 AM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Tincture Question - Total Tonic

Recipe

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Zeb, Thanks for the reply. Okay, so I don't have to use the

> > alcohol- the vinegar is enough to create the tincture! That's

much

> > easier. I hate to keep asking questions, but ... 1) Is there any

> > difference in how long the tincture lasts since there is no

alcohol,

> > and 2) What is considered a dose? I think Kelli said she takes it

> > daily.

> >

> > Karen

> >

> > herbal remedies , " Office Manager "

> > <office@a...> wrote:

> >> Hello Zenny,

> >>

> >> You have to strain the vinegar out of the mash. If you have

> > too little

> >> vinegar then you won't get much out in way of liquid but if you

> > put 3 cups

> >> of vinegar you should get back 3 cups of total tonic sine all of

> > the herbs

> >> were full of water upon creation of the formula. So you put in

a

> > strainer

> >> and you push a spoon up against it gently so as not to break the

> > strainer

> >> handle. Or you can use a very clean shirt and twist it until

> > nothing more

> >> comes out, but the shirt soaks up so much that I prefer the

> > strainer method.

> >>

> >> This is usually a very light tannish color. After a few

weeks

> > it should

> >> settle to 1/4 - 1/3 menstrum (liquid) compared to 3/4 - 2/3's

> > plant matter.

> >>

> >> Love,

> >>

> >> Zeb

> >>

> >>

> >> -

> >> " zengirl04 " <zengirl04>

> >> <herbal remedies >

> >> Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:47 PM

> >> Herbal Remedies - Tincture Question - Total Tonic

Recipe

> >>

> >>

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > I have not made a tincture before. The recipe for Total Tonic

> > says

> >> > to either " use the mash right away " or " wait 2 weeks and

> > tincture "

> >> >

> >> > I'm not clear on how to make the tincture from this liquid

mash

> > when

> >> > I compare it against the directions in the file for making a

> >> > tincture.

> >> >

> >> > Could someone clarify the directions for me?

> >> >

> >> > Thanks,

> >> > Karen

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural

> > remedy.

> > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and

> > to

> > prescribe for your own health.

> > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here

as long

> > as

> > they behave themselves.

> > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any

> > person

> > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from

> > list members, you are agreeing to

> > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List

Owner and

> > members free of any liability.

> >

> > Dr. Ian Shillington

> > Doctor of Naturopathy

> > Dr.IanShillington@G...

> >