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It would seem that this is part and parcel of spleen-stomach theory.

The type of diet you mention (grains, seaweeds, miso, fungi, etc.) is

mentioned in the Pi wei lun, Zhu Dan-xi's work, and that book I

previously mentioned, Yojokun by Ekiken Kaibara. In fact, Yojokun goes

into great depth on the subject. I strongly suggest everyone read

it(perhaps Alabris. com has it?).

 

 

On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 11:56 AM, wrote:

 

> the chinese have long expressed concern about digestive health and the

> potential damage done by bitter heat clearing herbs. in modern times,

> we know that the overuse of antibiotics leads to disruption of

> intestinal flora and candida overgrowth, food allergies and

> autoimmunity. candida overgrowth presents as dampheat and is often

> treated with more bitter cold herbs. However some sources recommend

> the use of spicy cool uplifting formulas to treat the damage of bitter

> cold herbs or drugs. consider heiner fruehauf's gu formulas and the

> use of formulas like bu zhong yi qi tang to treat autoimmunity and

> allergies (which combine spicy cool and warm sweet and can treat

> damage done by bitter cold).

 

The source of intestinal flora is fermentation. As long as the chinese

were eating fermented foods and providing a good growth medium for

these critters, all is good. In fact, healthy chinese diet probably

included some naturally fermented foods (miso). Water soluble fiber

(from various grains and veggies) and mucilage (as found in seaweeds

and funguses; typical of congees) also are now known to feed normal

flora and inhibit the bad ones.

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This helps me understand the concept of post-digestive tastes in

Ayurvedic and Tibetan medicine. The basic idea is that the agni, or

digestive fire transforms the herbs and changes their temperature and

taste. For example, hot and astringent flavors become bitter, salty

flavor becomes sweet. It would seem to be dependent on the state of the

digestive environment to which they are introduced.

 

 

On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 11:56 AM, wrote:

 

> Mills also points out something very interesting. there is abundant

> evidence that the activity of many herbs is based upon changes caused

> to the active constituents of those herbs by the intestinal flora.

> the herbs are not as active in deranged gut environments. thus, the

> importance placed upon digestion by all herbal traditions worldwide

> and a reminder to us that we cannot expect to successfully treat many

> chronic illnesses without use of therapeutic diet or supplements to

> make up for dietary deficiencies.

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Peace to everyone,

 

I'm recalling slowly about why the herbalist i saw recommended for me to take Acidophilus. and the main reason was to help build the intestinal flora in my system to help aid with digestion and elimination..

now i got a bit discouraged when i saw that either dextrose or sucrose was used as a part of the acidophilus in the ingredients list, and since i've seen that i stopped taking it. from what i recall seeing on here, the amount of the sugars that it is based in is real minimal and won't have effect me.. now while that may be true (someone please confirm that it is), what about diet?? what kind of foods or other supplements can help with intestinal flora..??>> if i recall again, foods rich in carbohydrates helps with that..

as always, i'd more than appreciate the help..

 

PEACE Eternally

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Live foods help. Minimally cooked, organic, rich in enzymes.

 

 

herbal remedies , natural game

<mathmasta1111001> wrote:

 

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what kind of foods or other supplements can help with intestinal

flora..??>> if i recall again, foods rich in carbohydrates helps

with that..

> as always, i'd more than appreciate the help..

>

> PEACE Eternally

> Natural Game

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Plain Yogurt, Kefir.

 

If you need supplements I would use Digesta Guard

Forte from Moss Nutrition.

 

 

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> what kind of foods or other supplements can help

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> carbohydrates helps

> with that..

> > as always, i'd more than appreciate the help..

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> > PEACE Eternally

> > Natural Game

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Hi Nature game,

 

I have the same problem because I have Celiac Disease and my

intestine was so damaged there was nothing going on in there. I also

took acidophilus and probiotics and found them nominally effective.

 

I have been told that making your own yogurt is the best thing.

 

And, I would assume that digestive herbs like ginger and fennel and

peppermint would be good. I haven't tried it yet but I'm going to.

 

Drink 1 tbsp of ginger root (simmer 15 min) and 1 tbsp of fennel seed

(simmer 15 min) and 1 heaping tbsp of dried leaf. This is good for

digestion. Individually or combined.

 

Leisa

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Peace Leisa,

 

thanks a lot for that formula.. i might give that a try.. i think since i've began to eat a raw food diet that it has to have helped.. i also did the Master Cleanse a month ago also.. that had to have helped as well..

i appreciate it..

 

PEACE

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