honey in diabetics

[Guest guest]

can the persons with diabetic take any benefit from honey

[Guest guest]

I stay away from honey. One of the major causes of diabetes is high

fructose corn syrup. Honey is generally a lot healthier than high

fructose corn syrup, but it is mainly fructose. I found it makes

life much simpler for me as a diabetic if I just spopped eating sweets

of any kind. Not easier to give up sweets, but far easier for me to

give up all sweets than find substitutes which kep my craving for

sweet in high gear.

 

Alobar

 

On 8/25/07, shahbaz ahmad <shahbaz_73 wrote:

> can the persons with diabetic take any benefit from honey

>

[Guest guest]

Four years ago I did a test whereby I tested my blood glucose level first thing

in the morning and then drank a cup of weak tea with white sugar and tested my

glucose level after half an hour and again half an hour later etc., etc.

The following day I did the same test with honey, the following day with

Demerara sugar, the following day with Blackstrap molasses.

From what I found with this test, using a blood sugar monitor, is that it all

acts like sugar on the body, but that white sugar (white death) gave the

sharpest rise followed by the quickest fall.

 

Ray.

 

 

[Guest guest]

High fructose corn syrup, used over time will increase insulin

resistance. Insulin resistance is what makes ordinary folks into

diabetics and makes diabetes far more serious in those moving in that

direction. As honey is also mainly fructose, I am guessing it will

do much the same thing.

 

Alobar

 

On 8/28/07, zen <zen141669 wrote:

> Four years ago I did a test whereby I tested my blood glucose level first

thing in the morning and then drank a cup of weak tea with white sugar and

tested my glucose level after half an hour and again half an hour later etc.,

etc.

> The following day I did the same test with honey, the following day with

Demerara sugar, the following day with Blackstrap molasses.

> From what I found with this test, using a blood sugar monitor, is that it all

acts like sugar on the body, but that white sugar (white death) gave the

sharpest rise followed by the quickest fall.

>

> Ray.

[Guest guest]

Alobar,

Honey help to control the sugar level and not the otherway u r thinking.

regards

 

Alobar <Alobar wrote:

High fructose corn syrup, used over time will increase insulin

resistance.

[Guest guest]

What do you think about Rice Syrup - I found some & bought it the other day?

My husband is diabetic - when we had him tested (apart from rice syrup)

fructose was the only thing he didn't respond negatively to - negative to

every single sweet thing - even Stevia.

 

Jane

 

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" Alobar " <Alobar

 

 

> High fructose corn syrup, used over time will increase insulin

> resistance. >

[Guest guest]

Honey, orf anything sweet stimulates cravings for sweets and carbs for

me. So best to do without sweeteners altogetgher. I am much

happier when not having to fight carb cravings on a daily basis.

These days, my fasting blood sugar is around 90 with diet and

supplements.

 

Alobar

 

On 8/29/07, parthajit sengupta <parthajit_59 wrote:

> Alobar,

> Honey help to control the sugar level and not the otherway u r thinking.

> regards

[Guest guest]

As far as honey is concerned, I've found a brand of honey that doesn't (at

least with me) cause the problems you had stated, it called " Manuka Honey " . It

quite a bit more expensive honey than the store brands but very satisfying. A

little seems to go a long way, only place that I've have found this particular

brand was in the health food stores.

 

Jack

 

Alobar <Alobar wrote: Honey, orf anything sweet stimulates

cravings for sweets and carbs for

me. So best to do without sweeteners altogetgher. I am much

happier when not having to fight carb cravings on a daily basis.

These days, my fasting blood sugar is around 90 with diet and

supplements.

 

Alobar

[Guest guest]

Hi, I have just recently found out that I am diabetic. The doc put me

on Metformin and wanted me to take Avandia which I refused. My blood

sugar is around the 160's without the Metformin and under 120 with it,

twice a day, 500mg each. I would like to get off of it but dont know

what today. I started taking cinnamon bark and a diabetic vitamin.

Neither seem to be doing anything. I have taken them for about 2

months. I do alot better if I follow a very low carb diet but I really

miss things like potatoes and pasta. If I eat pasta now, I try to use

whole wheat or spelt. What kind of supplements do you take, if you

dont mind sharing? I dont know that much about alternative medicine

but am willing to learn.

Thank you,

Jackie

 

 

>

> Honey, orf anything sweet stimulates cravings for sweets and carbs for

> me. So best to do without sweeteners altogetgher. I am much

> happier when not having to fight carb cravings on a daily basis.

> These days, my fasting blood sugar is around 90 with diet and

> supplements.

>

> Alobar

>

> On 8/29/07, parthajit sengupta <parthajit_59 wrote:

> > Alobar,

> > Honey help to control the sugar level and not the otherway u r

thinking.

> > regards

>

[Guest guest]

You can order Manuka Honey from Amazon.com! Also it seems as if the

active(raw) form of this product is an effective antibacterial and has

been approved by the FDA for use in difficult healing wounds as part of

a dressing! Do some Google searches if you want to find out more about

it for bedsores, etc!

 

Jack Nichols wrote:

>

> As far as honey is concerned, I've found a brand of honey that doesn't

> (at least with me) cause the problems you had stated, it called

> " Manuka Honey " . It quite a bit more expensive honey than the store

> brands but very satisfying. A little seems to go a long way, only

> place that I've have found this particular brand was in the health

> food stores.

[Guest guest]

I was wondering also if maybe spaghetti squash could be substituted instead of

the pasta...?

 

stjosephtheworkerfarm <jmmps wrote: Hi, I have just

recently found out that I am diabetic. The doc put me

on Metformin and wanted me to take Avandia which I refused. My blood

sugar is around the 160's without the Metformin and under 120 with it,

twice a day, 500mg each. I would like to get off of it but dont know

what today. I started taking cinnamon bark and a diabetic vitamin.

Neither seem to be doing anything. I have taken them for about 2

months. I do alot better if I follow a very low carb diet but I really

miss things like potatoes and pasta. If I eat pasta now, I try to use

whole wheat or spelt. What kind of supplements do you take, if you

dont mind sharing? I dont know that much about alternative medicine

but am willing to learn.

Thank you,

Jackie

[Guest guest]

Speaking as a diabetic, I found the utmost first thing I needed to do

was get rid of ALL high carb foods. No sugar, no fruit, no grains,

no bread, no rice, no pasta. The sweet tooth and carb addictions

needed to be gotten rid of. No compromises. You ever heard of a

heroin junkie who was able to moderate his addiction? The ex-junkies

I have known all went cold turkey, and have been clean for decades.

I took glyburide for the first 6 months. Besides the wretched " side

effects " of the drug, I found I could cheat on my diet. This is NOT a

good thing. Diabetic drugs work by forcing the pancras to produce

more and more insulin. Excess insulin is corrosive to the arterial

lining, thus heart disease is labeled as a " diabetic complication " .

But is is really a complication of the diabetic drugs. Same with

kidney failure and liver problems. When I was diagnosed with

diabetes 6 years ago, my fasting blood sugar was over 360. Aftger I

quit the diabetic meds, I have managed to keep it under 125, unless I

cheat on my diet. Over time, I have kept modifying my diet, and

adding supplements. I am now down to a fasting blood sugar of under

90. But the supplements come later. Fist tame diet and lifestyle.

Drink only water. No caffeine. No nicotine. No alcohol. No

starchy or sugary foods. Beware prepared sauces and condiments which

contain fructose, MSG, etc. Sleep at least 8 hours a day. Eat

small meals. Make all food from scratch (I always take my lunchbox to

work every day and eat out in restaurants less than 4 times a year. I

lost about 80 pounds in the first two years, and it has been stable

ever since (170-185).

 

Alobar

 

On 9/2/07, stjosephtheworkerfarm <jmmps wrote:

> Hi, I have just recently found out that I am diabetic. The doc put me

> on Metformin and wanted me to take Avandia which I refused. My blood

> sugar is around the 160's without the Metformin and under 120 with it,

> twice a day, 500mg each. I would like to get off of it but dont know

> what today. I started taking cinnamon bark and a diabetic vitamin.

> Neither seem to be doing anything. I have taken them for about 2

> months. I do alot better if I follow a very low carb diet but I really

> miss things like potatoes and pasta. If I eat pasta now, I try to use

> whole wheat or spelt. What kind of supplements do you take, if you

> dont mind sharing? I dont know that much about alternative medicine

> but am willing to learn.

> Thank you,

> Jackie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Moderator's Note: So diabetis is due to the deficiency of cinnamon? How does

taking cinnamon change the underlying cause that allowed the body to express

diabetis in the first place? If that cause is not addressed will it continue to

express- are there other routes of expression?

Misty

Owner/Moderator Alternative Medicine Forum

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To help with diabetis type II take cinnamon and chromium together.

This was something that a British Nutritionist, Patrick Holford has

investigated and proved to work and with a low GL diet and this

supplement. One lady he treated for 6 weeks or so, lost weight, was

taken off her meds by her dr and had a perfect blood suger reading -

type II can be cured if you really want to.

 

Regards

Marianne

[Guest guest]

Moderator's Note: Dear Alobar- I am very glad that you are better from these

supplements, I was hoping to inspire a conversation about options/healing

systems that would/could address more of the underlying causes of chronic

disease- options that could result in a more fundamental perhaps even more

complete restoration of wellbeing. Comments anyone?

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I am a diabetic. I use Cinnamon and Chromium, among many other

supplements [i have no financial interests in any of theses products]

(Fenugreek, Gymnema Sylvestre, Niacinamide, Alpha Lipoic Acid, Acetyl

L-Carnitine, Benfotiamine, Diabecon, Vitabase Blood Sugar Formula,

Vitamin C, MSM, etc) and getting rif of all unhealthy fats and oils

(margarine, corn oil, canola oil, etc) and adding lots of healthy

saturated fats (butter and coconut oil) as well as healthy olive oil,

to help rebuild cell membranes over time so I am less insulin

resistant. I did this in order to be able to stop the diabetes

meds which had terrible side effects. It took 6 months of dietary

changes and adding supplements before I could control blood glucose

w/o the diabetes meds. My Doc did not believe that I would be able

to do what I was attempting, but when my Hb A1C was tested 3 months

after I stopped the meds it was 6,0. The doc told me " I don't know

what you are doing, but I sure can't tell you to stop, It seems to

be working. "

 

Not a cure, by any means. But they assist to help control it. Some

of the supplements help with insulin Resistance. Some may possibly

assist the body in healing or replacing beta cells in the pancreas.

I totally ignore the ADA diet for diabetes. It has far too many

carbs. The ADA allows a slice of bread each meal, a glass of orange

juice daily, half a large banana, whole grains, etc. I eat NO

fruit, other than avocados, no grains, beans, rice, potatoes, corn,

starchy veggies. [i do use a lemon when making enough salad dressing

for 5 salads. So I do have a small amount of lemon with no problem.]

I use no sugar substitutes (honey, stevia, cactus juice, etc.) because

I find that sugar substitutes induce cravings for other carbs. So

best I not feed my sweet tooth in any fashion. Several times a year

I eat sushi as a treat, but it does make my fasting blood glucose

levels go up. But not a lot, and ikt goes back down when I go back to

my normal strict diet. Lots of Omega-3 oils are important.

 

When I was diagnosed with diabetes, my fasting blood glucose was up

over 360. When I took glyburide daily (which made me feel real sick

and stupid) and went on the ADA diet, I brought my fasting glucose

levels down to 120 or so. After 6 months, I had improved my diet a

lot, beyond the ADA diet, and discovered some supplements to take. My

fasting blood glucose levels remained at 120 or so a month after I

stopped taking glyburide. I have fiddled with diet, added

supplements, etc. ever since. Now (6 years later) my fasting blood

glucose levels are generally 110-120, and for the past month, I have

gotten them down less than than 90, with more dietary and supplement

tweaking. For instance, I use a liquid multi vitamin. It contains

carbs. If I have half at night, I have unacceptable blood sugars in

the morning. But if I have a full dose on a full stomach after

breakfast, I get no jump in blood sugar levels.

 

So, for me, it sure seems like supplements assist me to retain blood

sugar control, but they are by no means a cure. I test myself once

or twice a year by eating some forbidden foods (in moderation) and my

fasting blood glucose level jumps up to over 150 the following day, so

I know I sure am not cured of diabetes.

 

Alobar

 

On 9/7/07, alternative4me <marianne2406 wrote:

> Moderator's Note: So diabetis is due to the deficiency of cinnamon? How does

taking cinnamon change the underlying cause that allowed the body to express

diabetis in the first place? If that cause is not addressed will it continue to

express- are there other routes of expression?

> Misty

> Owner/Moderator Alternative Medicine Forum

[Guest guest]

Alobar, I am glucose intolerant also. I was on Metformin for over a

year before adding supplements to control my blood sugar and insulin.

In addition to some of the supplements you mentioned, I began taking a

fiber supplement before meals. The fiber had a tremendous impact on my

blood sugar. Seldom does it rise above 120 after meals and my fasting

blood sugar stays in the 80-90 range. My HBA1C consistently tests in

the 5 - 6.0 range. If not already doing so, you may want to add a

fiber supplement before meals and moderate exercise.

[Guest guest]

Me too (I'm new here), and I simply control it by eating a low carb/low GI diet.

I don't quite understand the figures given below. The HBA1C seems to be in

British measurement while the other figures don't. I'd be grateful for

clarification.

 

Jane, Western Isles of Scotland.

 

-

Marina

Saturday, September 08, 2007 11:48 AM

Re:honey in diabetics

[Guest guest]

Which fiber supplement did you use? I have heard of psyllium and guar

gum.

 

marti

On Saturday, September 8, 2007, at 05:48 AM, Marina wrote:

 

> Alobar, I am glucose intolerant also. I was on Metformin for over a

> year before adding supplements to control my blood sugar and insulin.

> In addition to some of the supplements you mentioned, I began taking a

> fiber supplement before meals. The fiber had a tremendous impact on my

> blood sugar. Seldom does it rise above 120 after meals and my fasting

> blood sugar stays in the 80-90 range. My HBA1C consistently tests in

> the 5 - 6.0 range. If not already doing so, you may want to add a

> fiber supplement before meals and moderate exercise.

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Marina,

 

Could you share what brand or type of fiber supp you use?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Sharon

 

" Marina " <AmSassy_2

 

 

> Alobar, I am glucose intolerant also. I was on Metformin for over a

> year before adding supplements to control my blood sugar and insulin.

> In addition to some of the supplements you mentioned, I began taking a

> fiber supplement before meals. The fiber had a tremendous impact on my

> blood sugar. Seldom does it rise above 120 after meals and my fasting

> blood sugar stays in the 80-90 range. My HBA1C consistently tests in

> the 5 - 6.0 range. If not already doing so, you may want to add a

> fiber supplement before meals and moderate exercise.

[Guest guest]

Inulin is an excellent fiber. Inulin the a good food for the kind of

gut microflora which the body needs for health.

 

Alobar

 

On 9/8/07, marti <marti wrote:

> Which fiber supplement did you use? I have heard of psyllium and guar

> gum.

>

> marti