Guest guest Posted May 14, 2007 Report Share Posted May 14, 2007 A Cardiologist Looks at CoQ10 http://www.spacedoc.net/cardiologist_CoQ10.html Dr. Peter Langsjoen, a leading cardiologist in the use of CoQ10 in the treatment of heart problems in the United States, owns one of three specialized machines in the world for measuring this vitamin-like substance. Langsjoen, board certified in internal medicine and cardiovascular diseases, says coenzyme Q10 is a vitamin-like substance produced in adequate amounts in young people but produced much less in older folks. The University of Texas at Austin 1975 graduate in chemistry with honors, also says coenzyme Q10 is essential for the production of energy in all cells, " and because the heart muscle uses more energy than any other type of tissue it requires a huge amount of coenzyme Q10 for normal function. " Other important roles for CoQ10 are for cell wall integrity and anti-oxidation. When the synthesis of CoQ10 is reduced for any reason the side effects on the body are profound. Impairment of cell membranes from CoQ10 lack plays a major role in hepatitis, myopathy, neuropathy and rhabdomyolysis. Lack of effective anti-oxidation from CoQ10 lack exposes our mitochondria to to the full effects of oxidation, contributing to a variety of mitochondrial mutations. Interference with CoQ10’s vital role in energy production results in chronic fatigue and congestive heart failure. With recent developments, resulting in a faster absorbing CoQ10, Langsjoen started a clinical trial in 2005 for severe heart failure patients, seeing dramatic results in the first volunteers. He said as Americans grow older, CoQ10 is produced less by the body. " We have known since the 1970s that patients with heart failure have low levels of coenzyme Q10 both in their blood and heart muscle. We also have known that supplemental coenzyme Q10 improves heart muscle function in patients with congestive heart failure, " he said. " It is very important to point out that supplemental coenzyme Q10 will not benefit heart muscle function unless the blood levels of CoQ10 are high enough to enter into heart muscle and thereby improve its function. " The implication here is that “token dosing†of CoQ10 rarely helps. The dose must be therapeutic, a level that may vary from person to person. Dr. Langsjoen’s father, Per H. Langsjoen, was a cardiologist who pioneered clinical research with Co Q10 in the United States and performed the first human double blind controlled heart failure study with CoQ10. He and his son practiced and performed research trials together up until his father's death in 1993. “We now have here at our office in Tyler an extremely accurate high pressure liquid chromatography laboratory for measuring coenzyme Q10 in both blood and heart muscle, " he said. " We are now able to very accurately measure the quality of different coenzyme Q10 supplements and are able to much better treat patients with congestive heart failure, " he added. Only two other laboratories of this type are in the world, one in Japan and the other in Italy. Dr. Langsjoen has proved beyond a doubt both the close association of CoQ10 levels with congestive heart failure and the profound inhibition of blood CoQ10 level secondary to statin use. This effect is inevitable with statins because they cause mevalonate inhibition, a pathway that serves not only cholesterol synthesis but also that of CoQ10, dolichols and other substances vital to the body. In other countries, including Canada, CoQ10 supplementation is strongly recommended when statins are used but not in the U.S Duane Graveline MD MPH Former USAF Flight Surgeon Former NASA Astronaut Retired Family Doctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 Once more, we have a directive that when taking Q10 to aid the heart, only levels high enough for it to enter the heart, must be achieved if the heart is to be helped. But we're not told what this dose range is? I understand that we can't pinpoint an amount. But there is certainly a range, and the range must be finite. The piece may as well not have been written, if we're not told the dose levels that are required to create assistance to the heart muscle. Dr. Langsjoen, tells us that Q10 has value. We already know that. What we don't know is what is meant by " high enough " doses to do the job, and Dr. Langsjoen dosen't tell us; at any rate, not in this piece, provided here. jp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2007 Report Share Posted May 15, 2007 so if the heart requires a huge amount of CoQ10 for " normal " function, > and statin drugs deplete the body of 40% of CoQ10, > any doctor prescribing statins without requiring a patient > to take a large (expensive) quantity of CoQ10 > is basically killing you. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Although it is an individual thing it is generally accepted than 100mg of CoQ10 or higher is needed for any effect. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 100mg to 200mg per day is sufficient. However there are COQ10 formulations around that are synthetic and not very bioavailable so less effective if at all. Try and get the liquid nanodispersion which clinical trials have shown to be the most bioavailable COQ10. We supply it if you have problems finding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2007 Report Share Posted May 17, 2007 Generally speaking the lowest beneficial level of intake of CoQ10 is 30mg/day but 100mg/day is generally reckoned to be a good level - and 400mg/day along with a range of other vitamins and minerals - known as the Stockholm protocol - has been shown to be curative in one study on breast cancer patients. Jonathan John Polifronio <counterpnt wrote: Once more, we have a directive that when taking Q10 to aid the heart, only levels high enough for it to enter the heart, must be achieved if the heart is to be helped. But we're not told what this dose range is? Jonathan Chamberlain www.fightingcancer.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 I suffer edema without it. Takes 300mg a day for me. Kirk jonathan chamberlain <jonomark33 wrote: Generally speaking the lowest beneficial level of intake of CoQ10 is 30mg/day but 100mg/day is generally reckoned to be a good level - and 400mg/day along with a range of other vitamins and minerals - known as the Stockholm protocol - has been shown to be curative in one study on breast cancer patients. Jonathan John Polifronio wrote: Once more, we have a directive that when taking Q10 to aid the heart, only levels high enough for it to enter the heart, must be achieved if the heart is to be helped. But we're not told what this dose range is? Jonathan Chamberlain www.fightingcancer.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 , " John Polifronio " <counterpnt wrote: > > Once more, we have a directive that when taking Q10 to aid the heart, only levels high enough for it to enter the heart, must be achieved if the heart is to be helped. But we're not told what this dose range is? I understand that we can't pinpoint an amount. But there is certainly a range, and the range must be finite. The piece may as well not have been written, if we're not told the dose levels that are required to create assistance to the heart muscle. Dr. Langsjoen, tells us that Q10 has value. We already know that. What we don't know is what is meant by " high enough " doses to do the job, and Dr. Langsjoen dosen't tell us; at any rate, not in this pieceprovided here. > jp > Based on bioavailability studies, the best preparations appear to be soft-gelatin capsules that contain CoQ10 in an oil base or in a soluble form.In order to further enhance absorption, CoQ10 should be taken with food also. While the usual dosage recommendation for CoQ10 is 50 to 150 mg/day, there are a lot of variables to consider when trying to determine whether this amount is really ideal. First of all, it appears that the ultimate judge of whether CoQ10 is going to be effective is whether or not CoQ10 blood levels rise above2.5 mcg/ml and are maintained at this level for a prolonged period. Since the normal 'blood level' for CoQ10 is roughly 1 mcg/ml, it is often rather difficult to achieve this therapeutic blood level especially if using poorly absorbed forms of CoQ10. Here are my recommendations for getting the most out of CoQ10. Use a loading dosage of four capsules with a meal. This loading dosage will provide 200 mg CoQ10 and 1600 IU vitamin E. I would recommend that it be in a soft gelatin capsule and that you take 300 mg of CoQ10 as a loading dosage and be sure that the meal includes at least one tablespoon of oil ( olive oil, flaxseed oil, etc.). After the loading dosage, I would recommend taking two capsules for one week followed by a maintenance dosage of one capsuledaily thereafter for people weighing up to 250 pounds; and two capsules per day for people over 250 pounds. In order to enhance the absorption and utilization of CoQ10,some manufacturers dissolve CoQ10 in its purest form- natural vitamin E (Vitamin E; 100% natural d-alpha tocopheryl acetate).The result is that the CoQ10 is biologically enhanced due to increased absorption, utilization, and function. By providing the CoQ10 dissolved in the vitamin E, absorption is not only enhanced, but also the likelihood that the CoQ10 will remain in its " active " form.CoQ10 is present in the blood in both oxidized (inactive) and reduced(active) form. During times of increased oxidative stress or low vitamin E levels, more CoQ10 will be converted to its oxidized (inactive form). Thus, by providing high levels of pure vitamin E the biological activity and function of CoQ10 is enhanced.In addition, the CoQ10 actually " enhances " vitamin E activity as well. Warm regards, JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2007 Report Share Posted May 18, 2007 Please let me know where I can obtain the " liquid nanodispersion " Q10 you speak of, including doses and prices. thank you john poilfronio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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