VT shooter was taking anti-depressants

[Guest guest]

I heard this on the radio [NPR] while I was in the car, but haven't

been able to find anything in print re this.

 

Anyone finds more about this, I'd appreciate you posting it.

 

 

ellen

[Guest guest]

At 07:28 AM 4/18/2007, you wrote:I heard this on

the radio [NPR] while I was in the car, but haven't

>been able to find anything in print re this.

>Anyone finds more about this, I'd appreciate you posting it.

>ellen

 

See the front page of

http://www.drugawareness.org and scroll down

 

I put together this info- quotes from various sites.

I esp like the Candace Pert quote.

 

Why school massacres?

indigo-news/message/1650

 

Antidepressant-Induced Violence, Suicide and Bizarre Behavior

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

 

DO NOT go off these drugs cold turkey

http://www.drugawareness.org/ICFDAwarning.html

The most dangerous and most common mistake

someone coming off the SSRI antidepressants makes

is coming off these drugs too rapidly. Tapering

off very, very, VERY SLOWLY--OVER MONTHS (and for

long-term users­a year or more), NOT JUST

WEEKS!­has proven the safest and most effective

method of withdrawal from this type of

medication. Thus the body is given the time it

needs to readjust its own chemical levels.

Patients must be warned to come very slowly off

these drugs by shaving minuscule amounts off

their pills each day, as opposed to cutting them

in half or taking a pill every other day.

 

http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html

Posted: 12:02 PM- BLACKSBURG, Va. - The gunman

suspected of carrying out the Virginia Tech

massacre that left 33 people dead was identified

Tuesday as an English major whose creative

writing was so disturbing that he was referred to

the school's counseling service. News reports

also said that he may have been taking medication for depression ...

 

http://www.ssristories.com/index.html

Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs),

of which Prozac was the first, launched in

December 1987. Other SSRIs are Zoloft,

Paxil (Seroxat), Celexa, Sarafem (Prozac in a

pink pill), Lexapro, and Luvox. These drugs are

widely employed as first line treatment for

depression. Other antidepressants included in

this list are Remeron, Anafranil and the SNRIs

Effexor, Serzone and Cymbalta as well as the

dopamine reuptake inhibitor antidepressant

Wellbutrin (also marketed as Zyban).

 

http://www.drugawareness.org/Archives/Miscellaneous/pert.html

The entire quote from Dr. Candace Pert: " I am

alarmed at the monster that Johns Hopkins

neuroscientist Solomon Snyder and I created when

we discovered the simple binding assay for drug

receptors 25 years ago. Prozac and other

antidepressant serotonin-receptor-active

compounds may also cause cardiovascular problems

in some susceptible people after long-term use,

which has become common practice despite the lack

of safety studies. " The public is being

misinformed about the precision of these

selective serotonin-uptake inhibitors when the

medical profession oversimplifies their action in

the brain and ignores the body as if it exists

merely to carry the head around! In short, these

molecules of emotion regulate every aspect of our

physiology. A new paradigm has evolved, with

implications that life-style changes such as diet

and exercise can offer profound, safe and natural mood elevation. "

 

http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html

The Michael Moore clip says: These SSRI drugs

have 12 times the suicide rate of some of the previous antidepressants.

 

[KE] It used to be when people were suicidal,

they would just quietly go away and kill themselves.

Now .... they take a bunch of people out with them ...

 

http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html

Michael Moore obtained a copy of Dr. Tracy's

book, " Prozac: Panacea or Pandora? - Our

Serotonin Nightamre, " at the premier of bowling

for Columbine in Denver, CO. After learning more

about these drugs, see his statement from the

movie he recently appeared in with Dr. Tracy,

Mark Taylor, Neal Bush, and others in the Gary

Null production " The Drugging of our Children "

http://www.drugawareness.org/home.html

2 short video clips

 

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

What Drug Date Where Additional

<http://www.ssristories.com/show.php?item=785>School

ShootingProzac

Antidepressant2005-03-24Minnesota**10 Dead: 7

Wounded: Dosage Increased One Week before Rampage

 

<http://www.ssristories.com/show.php?item=1145>School

ShootingPaxil

Antidepressant2001-03-10Pennsylvania**14 Year Old

GIRL Shoots & Wounds Classmate at Catholic School

 

<http://www.ssristories.com/show.php?item=1543>School

Stand-OffZoloft Antidepressant1998-04-13Idaho**14

Year Old in School Holds Police At Bay: Fires Shots

 

<http://www.ssristories.com/show.php?item=1568>School

ShootingZoloft Antidepressant1995-10-12South

Carolina**15 Year Old Shoots Two Teachers, Killing One: Then Kills Himself

 

<http://www.ssristories.com/show.php?item=1370>School

Hostage SituationProzac/ Paxil

Antidepressants2001-01-18California**17 Year Old

Takes Girl Hostage at School: He is Killed by Police

 

<http://www.ssristories.com/show.php?item=302>School

ShootingAnafranil

Antidepressant1988-05-20Illinois**29 Year Old

WOMAN Kills One Child: Wounds Five: Kills Self

 

<http://www.ssristories.com/show.php?item=190>School

ShootingLuvox/Zoloft

Antidepressants1999-04-20Colorado**COLUMBINE: 15 Dead: 24 Wounded

 

<http://www.ssristories.com/show.php?item=609>School

ShootingProzac Antidepressant

Withdrawal1999-11-05Oregon**Four Dead: Twenty Injured

and pages and pages more

 

http://www.ssristories.com/index.html

The Physicians' Desk Reference lists the

following adverse reactions to antidepressants

among a host of other physical and

neuropsychiatric effects: manic reaction (mania),

emotional lability (or instability), abnormal

thinking, alcohol abuse, hallucinations,

hostility, lack of emotion, paranoid reaction,

amnesia, confusion, agitation, delirum,

delusions, hysteria, psychosis, sleep disorders,

abnormal dreams, and discontinuation (withdrawal)

syndrome. Adverse reactions are especially

likely when starting or discontinuing the drug,

increasing or lowering the dose or when switching

from one SSRI to another SSRI. Adverse reactions

are often diagnosed as bipolar disorder when the

symptoms could be entirely iatrogenic (treatment

induced). Withdrawal, especially abrupt

withdrawal, from any of these medications can

also cause severe neuropsychiatric and physical

symptoms. It is important to withdraw extremely

slowly from these drugs, usually over a period of

a year or more, under the supervision of a

qualified and experienced specialist.

 

In addition to the adverse reactions listed in

the Physicians' Desk Reference, the FDA published

a Public Health Advisory on March 22, 2004 which

states (in part): " Anxiety, agitation, panic

attacks, insomnia, irritability, hostility,

impulsivity, akathisia (severe restlessness),

hypomania, and mania have been reported in adult

and pediatric patients being treated with

antidepressants for major depressive disorder as

well as for other indications, both psychiatric

and nonpsychiatric. " (Click Links button at

bottom of this page for a direct link to this FDA Warning.)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am in no way seeking to discount the effect of violent behaviors

created by

psycho-tropic drugs. I believe it so strongly that any time there is

an " unbelievable " or bizare act of violence, (EG: mothers killing

children, children killing parents, school massacres) the very first

question in my mind is not " why did he or she do it " but " what

prescription psycho-tropic drug or drugs is she/he on.

 

Further I believe the pharmaceutical multinationals KNOW and HAVE LONG

KNOWN of these dire effects and DO NOT CARE and have suppressed this

information because these drugs such such money makers.

 

Further, I believe they have both jerked around and bamboozled some

members congress, have bribed or bougth off others, and are not above

compromising (blackmailing them) into aquicence or support of whatever

benefits the multinationals desire.

 

Further I believe they " own and control " the FDA.

 

However, there is one nagging question. Why America? What co-factors

makes America so prone to this and not other nations.

 

I do not believe it is access to guns --- If guns were not available;

I'm sure that those deluded angry people hell-bent on taking out some

victims would a number of ways to achieve this besides with guns.

 

As for the run of the mill criminal violence (rape, robbery) there are

studies which suggest crime rates decline when citizens own guns and

increase when guns are banned. And as for the obtaining of guns,

criminal elements seem to have a way of finding and having them, no

matter what.

 

So back to " why America " ... I have not heard of this sort of thing

happening

in France, England, Japan -- or other industrialized nations. Is it

happening there and its reporting thereof just not reaching the

American public, or

is it just not happening.

 

If it is not happening elsewhere, what in this country makes us so

prone to this.

 

I do know that in America we " worship and/or promote and violence " --

just look at TV, video games and movies -------- And even in the news

mentality: " if it bleeds, it leads " . To what degree does this factor

in ........ What is the psychological climate in other countries, can

the same be said of them.

 

Another factor could be diet. I've read that people get fat when they

come

to America or do the SAD. (Standard American Diet, which nutrionally

speaking

is sad indeed). Our high sugar consumption and our empty calorie foods

do

have effect on emotional and mental stability and performance as well

as our

physical health. Our food is loaded with all manner of artifical

coloring, scenting, deoderizing, flavoring softening,conditioning,

emulsifying, bleaching, peserving, bleaching and etc. etc. etc agents.

These overload our body with many toxins and disrupt healthy

physiological functioning, including our mental and emotional states.

 

Many of these toxins/additives contain heavy metals which accumulate in

our body, or they disrupt our mineral balance.

I have read that a gross mineral imbalance of zinc to copper will

create violence

within individuals. Could our diet be causing this tendency to violence

loading the gun) and anti-depressents be causal in firing the gun.

 

And again, if this is a significant factor, the question still remains:

Why America?

After all, all the negatives our our food processing do exist in other

industrilized

countries. And in Europe these days you can find every manner of

McDonalds

type fast foods as wells as our cokes and pepsis and other junk sodas &

pops. Is their diet actually any better.

 

Are they less addicted to pill popping and less given to using

" pills-as-the-instant cure-for-whatever-ails-you " mentality than are

Americans. Are their physicians'

less prone to prescribe anti-depressants. Maybe so, I have read that

America

leads the world in putting kids on ritalin. Maybe their equivalent of

our FDA is

less pharma-friendly. Any one know?

 

And perhaps other countries are less regimentalized / kid unfriendly

(which would increase frustration and anger levels) in their school

management. Kids

cannot be treated like a commodity on a production line. Or prisoners

in jail. Or

soldiers in the army. They are high energy individual little people

who need love/nuturing, support and guidance, wise coucil and good

guidance as well as training in data/facts/skills of life (like math,

etc.) to bring them to healthy maturity.

 

Any thoughts anyone, ands specifically, any hard data out there to

give answer to these questions.

 

Thanks,

g

[Guest guest]

He was taking anti depressants

But the biggest mistake he made was

 

" Feeding the Bad Wolf "

 

Best to All

Michael Phoenix Rising

[Guest guest]

I think it is cultural /media.

Thats why I liked it when I could travel.

In some ways American " culture " is bizarre and the media has a lot to do with

it.

Our educational system is inferior.

Our respect for intellectual achievement is totally overshadowed by sports

Our penchant for pharma - our medicine costs much more than anywhere else.

Yet cure rates are usually better elsewhere.

Check out premiums for international health policies. Premium doubles if you

include US.

And what corporations get away with - looting pension funds is the norm.

 

The historian Toynbee said America declined before it reached its peak.

 

Kirk.

 

 

Gail Raby <graby wrote:

I am in no way seeking to discount the effect of violent behaviors

created by

psycho-tropic drugs. I believe it so strongly that any time there is

an " unbelievable " or bizare act of violence, (EG: mothers killing

children, children killing parents, school massacres) the very first

question in my mind is not " why did he or she do it " but " what

prescription psycho-tropic drug or drugs is she/he on.

 

Further I believe the pharmaceutical multinationals KNOW and HAVE LONG

KNOWN of these dire effects and DO NOT CARE and have suppressed this

information because these drugs such such money makers.

 

Further, I believe they have both jerked around and bamboozled some

members congress, have bribed or bougth off others, and are not above

compromising (blackmailing them) into aquicence or support of whatever

benefits the multinationals desire.

 

Further I believe they " own and control " the FDA.

 

However, there is one nagging question. Why America? What co-factors

makes America so prone to this and not other nations.

 

I do not believe it is access to guns --- If guns were not available;

I'm sure that those deluded angry people hell-bent on taking out some

victims would a number of ways to achieve this besides with guns.

 

As for the run of the mill criminal violence (rape, robbery) there are

studies which suggest crime rates decline when citizens own guns and

increase when guns are banned. And as for the obtaining of guns,

criminal elements seem to have a way of finding and having them, no

matter what.

 

So back to " why America " ... I have not heard of this sort of thing

happening

in France, England, Japan -- or other industrialized nations. Is it

happening there and its reporting thereof just not reaching the

American public, or

is it just not happening.

 

If it is not happening elsewhere, what in this country makes us so

prone to this.

 

I do know that in America we " worship and/or promote and violence " --

just look at TV, video games and movies -------- And even in the news

mentality: " if it bleeds, it leads " . To what degree does this factor

in ........ What is the psychological climate in other countries, can

the same be said of them.

 

Another factor could be diet. I've read that people get fat when they

come

to America or do the SAD. (Standard American Diet, which nutrionally

speaking

is sad indeed). Our high sugar consumption and our empty calorie foods

do

have effect on emotional and mental stability and performance as well

as our

physical health. Our food is loaded with all manner of artifical

coloring, scenting, deoderizing, flavoring softening,conditioning,

emulsifying, bleaching, peserving, bleaching and etc. etc. etc agents.

These overload our body with many toxins and disrupt healthy

physiological functioning, including our mental and emotional states.

 

Many of these toxins/additives contain heavy metals which accumulate in

our body, or they disrupt our mineral balance.

I have read that a gross mineral imbalance of zinc to copper will

create violence

within individuals. Could our diet be causing this tendency to violence

loading the gun) and anti-depressents be causal in firing the gun.

 

And again, if this is a significant factor, the question still remains:

Why America?

After all, all the negatives our our food processing do exist in other

industrilized

countries. And in Europe these days you can find every manner of

McDonalds

type fast foods as wells as our cokes and pepsis and other junk sodas &

pops. Is their diet actually any better.

 

Are they less addicted to pill popping and less given to using

" pills-as-the-instant cure-for-whatever-ails-you " mentality than are

Americans. Are their physicians'

less prone to prescribe anti-depressants. Maybe so, I have read that

America

leads the world in putting kids on ritalin. Maybe their equivalent of

our FDA is

less pharma-friendly. Any one know?

 

And perhaps other countries are less regimentalized / kid unfriendly

(which would increase frustration and anger levels) in their school

management. Kids

cannot be treated like a commodity on a production line. Or prisoners

in jail. Or

soldiers in the army. They are high energy individual little people

who need love/nuturing, support and guidance, wise coucil and good

guidance as well as training in data/facts/skills of life (like math,

etc.) to bring them to healthy maturity.

 

Any thoughts anyone, ands specifically, any hard data out there to

give answer to these questions.

 

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

, Kirk McLoren

<kirkmcloren wrote:

>

> I think it is cultural /media. Thats why I liked it when I could

travel. In some ways American " culture " is bizarre and the media

has a lot to do with it. Our educational system is inferior.

> Our respect for intellectual achievement is totally overshadowed

by sports Our penchant for pharma - our medicine costs much more

than anywhere else. Yet cure rates are usually better elsewhere.

> Check out premiums for international health policies. Premium

doubles if you include US. And what corporations get away with -

looting pension funds is the norm. The historian Toynbee said

America declined before it reached its peak. Kirk.

 

> Gail Raby <graby wrote:

> I am in no way seeking to discount the effect of violent

behaviors created by psycho-tropic drugs. I believe it so strongly

that any time there is an " unbelievable " or bizare act of violence,

(EG: mothers killing children, children killing parents, school

massacres) the very first question in my mind is not " why did he or

she do it " but " what prescription psycho-tropic drug or drugs is

she/he on

I have not heard of this sort of thing happening in France, England, Japan --

or other industrialized nations. Is it happening there and its reporting

thereof just not reaching the American public, or is it just not happening. If

it is not happening elsewhere, what in this country makes us so prone to this.

> I do know that in America we " worship and/or promote and

violence " --

Another factor could be diet. I've read that people get fat when

they come to America or do the SAD. (Standard American Diet, which

nutrionally speaking is sad indeed). Our high sugar consumption and

our empty calorie foods do have effect on emotional and mental

stability and performance as well as our physical health. Our food

is loaded with all manner of artifical coloring, scenting,

deoderizing, flavoring softening,conditioning,

> emulsifying, bleaching, peserving, bleaching and etc. etc. etc

agents. These overload our body with many toxins and disrupt healthy

> physiological functioning, including our mental and emotional

states. Many of these toxins/additives contain heavy metals which

accumulate in our body, or they disrupt our mineral balance.

> I have read that a gross mineral imbalance of zinc to copper will

> create violence within individuals. Could our diet be causing this

tendency to violence loading the gun) and anti-depressents be causal

in firing the gun.

> Are they less addicted to pill popping and less given to using

> " pills-as-the-instant cure-for-whatever-ails-you " mentality than

are Americans. Are their physicians' less prone to prescribe anti-

depressants. Maybe so, I have read that America leads the world in

putting kids on ritalin. Maybe their equivalent of our FDA is

> less pharma-friendly. Any one know?

> And perhaps other countries are less regimentalized / kid

unfriendly (which would increase frustration and anger levels) in

their school management. Kids cannot be treated like a commodity on

a production line. Or prisoners in jail. Or soldiers in the army.

They are high energy individual little people who need

love/nuturing, support and guidance, wise coucil and good guidance

as well as training in data/facts/skills of life (like math, etc.)

to bring them to healthy maturity.

> Any thoughts anyone, ands specifically, any hard data out there to

> give answer to these questions.

> Thanks,

>

 

 

Hi Gail!!

 

I agree but would like to add that " technology " is a factor as well for it

appears to have a divisive effect on family life creating an apparent void which

is unsurpassed in any other ethic group. At the age of two parents are relying

on the media to " entertain " and educate their offspring (there are programs

devoted entirely this age group from what I'm told).Coupled with the fact that

pharmaceuticals are being promoted in this country at an

unprecedented pace. Our " talk shows " are busily providing an

outlet for big pharma to express their views regarding efficacy of

drug use for utterly common behaviours. I regard any media which

advises " counseling " for traumatic and " normal " events to be working with big

pharma....just take a closer look at Oprah, for example. Women and children

with even a trace of any 'suspect' obsessive behaviour are advised

to seek out counseling! She even has a resident counselor or did I'm

told. Counseling at the moment is geared to drug promotion and use!

Anyone who is not totally " mainstream " in behaviour, whatever that

means, should " seek out proper counseling " according to this!

If counseling were truly counseling this wouldn't seem unreasonable,

however there is a difference of opinion as to what

exactly is expected in these sessions.

My advice is, if you have an

emotional or mental problem, your best option would be to avoid

counseling and concentrate on yoga, meditation and dietary changes

to improve your mental state as Modern " counseling " in my opinion,

consists largely of a short resume of your patient problems combined

with whatever presceiption drug the physician deem's appropriate. We

at any rate, are unleashing a monster in our society! I have been

told that over 50% of all americans (including children) have been

at some time or another prescribed anti-depressants! I hope that

these statistics are misleading and false, although at the rate that

they are being doled up and out, I would not be surprised that it is

fast approaching that figure. Something as benign as a minor auto

accident or back injury may be behind recommendations for

antidepressant use.

Perhaps I'm biased, undoubtedly I am, but unless we err on the side

of caution and act swiftly to help our loved ones avoid these

SSRI's ,we may fall prey to this type of behaviour ourselves!

 

In answer to your question, according to some sources, physicians in

Great Britain are more hesitant to prescribe the SSRI's and other

psychotropic drugs than we are in this country and bigpharma is not allowed to

advertise in the media!. these may be factors.

In my opinion, there is a need for more parenting as well. Teenagers

are so obsessed with the internet and the transition to both parents

being wage earners,... and a few other factors, kids (some of them)

are becoming more isolated and left entirely to their own devices.

When statistics claim that the average parent only visits with

their child 15 minutes on a weekly basis, it seems to me that there

is a cause for concern!

We seem to be more concerned with what is going on with IMUS or ANNA

NICOLE SMITH than the after-school activities of our offspring. Also

I believe that the HATE spewed out in media is a factor and is

downright depressing!! What passes for cable news these days is

ludicrous, borders on the OBSCENE and is not uplifting our state of

mind or cultural habits!. There is a fine line between

entertainment and news reports which is becoming ever increasingly

narrower. I cringe at the sordid details which are incessantly being

thrown out for our teenagers to sort out. All that today passes as

cable news, would have been confined in our day to only a minor

segment of Entertainment Tonight.

We are dealing in sensationalism and even current events are being

surrounded in all the " hate rhetoric " ! We are exposing our children

to things which we would not have exposed to in our day and we are

obviuosly paying the price!

As was suggested on a recent news talkshow, they are gradually

being desensitized to hate crimes and violent acts and all the while

we are ignoring our responsibility to our immediate families by our

obsession for profits. Our ancestors loved people and used money.

Now this seems to be reversed!

 

One of the major differences in my estimation is that foreign

countries are accepting responsibility in these areas (parenting and

responsible medicine),expecting an appropriate response for their

efforts and most of the time they are getting it! Neglect is one of

the key words here. Our focus is all wrong!

 

I agree with you on several points one of which is our dietary

needs are not being properly met, and my other assessment is that

our priorities are all wrong. Other cultures have typically become

more involved ... (there may be some exceptions but this is largely

true) and we are obviosly paying the ultimate price with our

neglect! This family was living the " American Dream " . Although they

experienced prosperity and freedom from lack on their arrival, now

they are busy trying to adjust to the horrors of our " drug culture " !

There is no need for this, we CAN have it ALL, we just need to work at it a

little more and beome more involved!

 

God Bless!

JoAnn

[Guest guest]

I agree with everything you are saying. And you are correct about the

pharmaceutical industry controlling the FDA. The head of the FDA has

direct ties to the pharmaceutical industry.

The pharmaceutical industry not only wants to take away our rights to

have access to alternative therapies but also make us totally, 100%

dependent on conventional medicine and pharmaceutical drugs.

You are so correct about people's diets being deficient.

If people were truly educated about healthy nutrition and exercise we

would not be seeing so many people with health conditions like

obesity, diabetes, heart disease, mood disorders, etc. If we had a

majority of healthy, well people in a society then there would be no

profit to be made for conventional medical doctors and the

pharmaceutical industry. It is the purpose of conventional medicine

and the pharmaceutical industry to keep as many people as sick or in

a disease state so they can make as big as a profit as possible.

Herbs have been around and used long before the pharmaceutical

industry came into being. Now the pharmaceutical industry is spewing

forth malicious lies stating that vitamins and herbs have no use or

that they are dangerous and want to have them taken away from us. I

don't deny that there are herbs that can be dangerous but by and

large pharmaceutical drugs are alot more dangerous and deadly. All we

have to do is look at vioxx, the statin drugs, antidepressants, etc.

All too often, a doctor wants to immediately put a person on

antidepressants because they are a depressed or whatever. What is so

wrong with looking at the bigger picture, like the person's diet -

are there nutritional deficiencies that might be responsible for the

depression, etc.?

I actually got banned from The Biggest Loser forum message board for

talking about these very same things that I have mentioned here. I

was totally shocked that just about every poster on that forum was

okay with having our freedom to have access to vitamins, herbs and

other alternative therapies taken away from us. Most of them saw

nothing wrong with the pharmaceutical industry, pharmaceutical drugs,

and conventional medicine. They thought that pharmaceutical drugs

were safe and that herbs and vitamins needed to be completely banned.

One poster even replied that thanks to conventional medicine andthe

pharmaceutical industry her mother is alive and healthy (her mother

has to take like 17 different pharmaceutical drugs - how is that

healthy?). I just could not believe the attitudes of those posters.

It is downright scary.

 

 

, Gail Raby

<graby wrote:

>

> I am in no way seeking to discount the effect of violent behaviors

> created by

> psycho-tropic drugs. I believe it so strongly that any time there

is

> an " unbelievable " or bizare act of violence, (EG: mothers killing

> children, children killing parents, school massacres) the very

first

> question in my mind is not " why did he or she do it " but " what

> prescription psycho-tropic drug or drugs is she/he on.

>