Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Hi Tammatha,I'm not Tony, but yep........ LR001.Hugs,Tammatha Brown <tammathabrownoleander soup Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 10:34:37 PMRe: Re: Healthy person taking oleander? Tony, What was the discount code again on the CS is it LR001, I can't remember for sure? I'm very low. Thank you~ Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010  Thank you ...well you are just as good in my book!...lol! It was on sale anyway so didn't need it this time. Tammatha - May oleander soup Monday, May 10, 2010 10:18 AM Re: Re: Healthy person taking oleander? Hi Tammatha,I'm not Tony, but yep........ LR001.Hugs, Tammatha Brown <tammathabrown (AT) att (DOT) net>oleander soup Sent: Sat, May 8, 2010 10:34:37 PMRe: Re: Healthy person taking oleander? Tony, What was the discount code again on the CS is it LR001, I can't remember for sure? I'm very low. Thank you~ Tammatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Honestly I know I would never make colloidal silver myself just isn't in me to make supplements. But I sure would like to know when Ben has the 25% off, is there a certain time of year he does the sale or is it random? I would love to get 5 gallons at a time, I'm constantly buying the 1 gal bottles. Yes, Tony I know about bentonite and coconut thank you, but it just doesn't seem strong enough for what I have. I have tried so many different things you can't imagine. I have had this for 20 years now that I look back. It is deeply imbedded. Unfortunately, I have to go with the script, sometimes one has too and of course supporting the body with all the good natural tactics as well is a must. My first go around with cancer in 2006 I did just natural and it metasized to my bones anyway.... so now I try not to be so rigid. I don't think that everything is totally cut and dry anymore. When you experienced what I went through you must keep an open mind to a degree and not dig ones heals in any one direction. It is survival. Thank you~ Tammatha - TonyI oleander soup Sunday, May 09, 2010 9:13 AM Re: Healthy person taking oleander? You probably know this, but bentonite clay and coconut oil are very goodagainst fungus.I know what you mean about colloidal silver - I keep anywhere from 1 to10 gallons on hand.And yes, the discount code is LR001 (good for almost all items providedthey are not on sale at the time). LR stands for Laurel Rose, by theway - an indication that Ben created the discount code especially forthis group, since Laurel Rose (or Rose Laurel) is another name for . . .. oleander.Did you know that you can get the Silver Bullet home silver generatorwith tester and timer for a little over $100 when you use the discountcode? When you order it you also get a lifetime buy-one get one freeoffer on the 8 ounce bottles of the really good stuff (AdvancedColloidal Silver).The most economical way to buy Advanced Colloidal Silver is to waituntil they have a 25% off sale and buy either a gallon or 5 galloncontainer of it. The 5 gallon container does cost a few coins, but paysoff in the long run. So long as you never let it get too cold it willlast and last too.Tonyoleander soup , "Tammatha Brown"<tammathabrown wrote:>> Hi Tony,> Thank you Tony very much, yes it is a daily fight with much vigilance.I think so too, I'm hoping it is the die-off that is causing theincrease. The Biotoxin test I took reflected major fungus so I went withthe Dyflucan, for now I need all arsenals. I will try the CS again, Ioften save it for Weaver I give him a good amount with both of us takingit we go through it like water, it is so pricey! He does so well withit. He has never had an infection like most diabetic dogs get.>> Tammatha> -> TonyI> oleander soup > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:10 PM> Re: Healthy person taking oleander?>>>>> Tammatha ->> As you know, markers can go up and down for various reasons. It couldpossibly be die off that is causing more of the cancer toxins to bereleased.>> I surely do hope you are continuing to use oleander and doing all thehealthy things you have done in the past.>> Colloidal silver might also help with the issue that Dyflucan isprescribed for. Several reports also indicate that the combination ofcolloidal silver and oleander is even more effective than oleanderalone.>> Taxol? That is indeed an oldie. And even more reason to keep on theoleander!>> Keep up the good fight!>> Tony>>> oleander soup , "Tammatha Brown" tammathabrown@wrote:> >> > Hi Tony,> > No it wasn't a new one. I was on one of the oldies that has beenaround awhile Taxol. It did take awhile to completely fall out, my hairsure put up a fight to stay.... but unfortunately the drug won out. Myhair though has grown back in fantastically. I'm lovin my new do!> >> > Thank you... yes, I'm doing well I'm happy to say. My tumor markerswere elevated a bit last week though but I have to say I feel better nowthan I did when they were lower. Of course the oncologist is overlyconcerned. They pin so much on the markers. Now he wants me to have abone scan. My intergrative MD put me on Dyflucan. I tested positive formolds so I'm wondering if the die-off could of caused the rise inmarkers...maybe? Whatcha think Tony?> >> > Thank you~ Tammatha> > -> > TonyI> > oleander soup > > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:25 PM> > Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> >> >> >> >> > Tammatha -> >> > What chemo drug(s) did you take? Are they relatively new? The reportabout it helping avoid or at least lessen hair loss with the exceptionof Cisplatin was issued a few years ago by the makers of Anvirzel, whohave always given me very good information. It could be that your chemodrug(s) either came along later than that report or else they had noexperience with patients who took your drug(s).> >> > Perhaps we should revise that general statement a bit, such assaying "in most instances" and "with Cisplatin being a notableexception".> >> > I bet that oleander does help the hair grow back in thicker andfaster. One of the beneficial side effects reported has been thicker andfaster growing hair and nails.> >> > I hope you are doing well, my friend, and thanks for the input.> >> > Tony> > oleander soup , "Tammatha Brown" tammathabrown@wrote:> > >> > > I must say , it may have helped some people keep their hairbut it didn't help keep mine and I wasn't on Cisplatin for chemo. Justso everyone is aware that it doesn't always help regardless of Cisplatinor not.> > >> > > Tammatha> > > -> > > May> > > oleander soup > > > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:29 PM> > > Re: Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > LOL! You are too sweet. But Tony very often comes to the rescuefirst.> > >> > > I am so glad that you have been reading all the articles and thatyou have already started supplementing revamped her diet. You are awonderful big sister. As for the toxicity issue. Actually, the onlytoxins that your sister is getting is from the chemo itself. Not onlythat, but chemo and radiation severely compromise an already weakenedimmune system and it through a weakened immune system that cancer gainsa foothold on the body. It is very important for someone with cancer totake oleander and follow the protocol, but it is crucial if a personopts for chemo and/or radiation. They need all the help they can get instrengthening their immune system.> > >> > > It is possible that chemo is playing a part in shrinking thetumor. However, the thing with chemo is that it very rarely gets all thecancer cells and ta few cells, sometimes the most aggressive ones,remain in the body. That is why even though remission is attained, thecancer usually returns with a vengeance and stronger chemo is needed. Inthese instances, chemo will not get rid of the cancer. It may push itback for a time, but the cancer will always return, and eventually win.By the way, oleander very often prevents hair loss while taking chemo.The only time that it does not is when the drug used is Cisplatin.> > >> > > Tell me, does your sister suffer from an anxiety disorder? If so,I can help you treat it naturally and effectively, but since this is offtopic, I would be very happy to help you outside the forum. Just send mean email.> > >> > > Oleander is a wonderful preventative when it comes to cancer. Thething is, that one must adapt a healthy lifestyle while taking oleander.There is no "magic pill." One must take into account their entirelifestyle.> > >> > > My Best,> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >-------------------------\------> > > Ms. M. bohogirl75@> > > oleander soup > > > Tue, May 4, 2010 6:44:15 PM> > > Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > >> > >> > > Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for alwaysbeing one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies> > >> > > I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all thearticles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium),and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle!> > > I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, blessher soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, anddoes ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. Shejust struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative'person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as Isuggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. SoI prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are bigsisters for? ;-)> > >> > > Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating hercancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it asa regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - momhad breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (nogenetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. PlusI'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an optionfor me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my lifetaking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it doesrear its ugly head ;-)> > >> > > Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (theysaid it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps),and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantlysmaller (and I agree) ... too early for chemo to have done anything!> > >> > >> > >> > > oleander soup, May <luellamay129 wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi Marijana,> > > >> > > > Welcome to the group.> > > >> > > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens toeliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we stronglyrecommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. Sheshould also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that theliver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander.> > > >> > > > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and itactually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Somepeople, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they mayhave side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects areusually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is importantto increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100%oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing ifyou wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsulesa day should be sufficient for a healthy person.> > > >> > > > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read theOleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below:> > > >> > > > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm> > > >> > > > My Best,> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > Marijana bohogirl75@ ..> > > > oleander soup> > > > Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM> > > > Healthy person taking oleander?> > > >> > > >> > > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learnfrom and share :-)> > > > My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosedwith Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Althoughshe's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink thelump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she hasagreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by thetime surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , andthat she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation.> > > > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor isshrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next onecoming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans,IP-6, etc.> > > > I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways tohelp her through chemo, mainly with hair loss.> > > >> > > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into naturalhealth/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, Iam 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day beforeher. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting daybefore, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first.> > > >> > > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar andcomfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplementaluse. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person,and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, andI'm generally in good health.> > > > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I nowunderstand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do untilI get the other one.> > > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Tammatha, You are in luck, but have to act fast... I just bought a gallon of silver for $143 regular $220 & the 5 gallons is $406 regular $625 but it's only for 5 more hours! So hurry and order, this is the only time i've seen it for 35% off at Utopiasilver.com !!! Tracy :* )--- On Mon, 5/10/10, Tammatha Brown <tammathabrown wrote: Tammatha Brown <tammathabrownRe: Re: Healthy person taking oleander?oleander soup Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 5:47 PM Honestly I know I would never make colloidal silver myself just isn't in me to make supplements. But I sure would like to know when Ben has the 25% off, is there a certain time of year he does the sale or is it random? I would love to get 5 gallons at a time, I'm constantly buying the 1 gal bottles. Yes, Tony I know about bentonite and coconut thank you, but it just doesn't seem strong enough for what I have. I have tried so many different things you can't imagine. I have had this for 20 years now that I look back. It is deeply imbedded. Unfortunately, I have to go with the script, sometimes one has too and of course supporting the body with all the good natural tactics as well is a must. My first go around with cancer in 2006 I did just natural and it metasized to my bones anyway.... so now I try not to be so rigid. I don't think that everything is totally cut and dry anymore. When you experienced what I went through you must keep an open mind to a degree and not dig ones heals in any one direction. It is survival. Thank you~ Tammatha - TonyI oleander soup Sunday, May 09, 2010 9:13 AM Re: Healthy person taking oleander? You probably know this, but bentonite clay and coconut oil are very goodagainst fungus.I know what you mean about colloidal silver - I keep anywhere from 1 to10 gallons on hand.And yes, the discount code is LR001 (good for almost all items providedthey are not on sale at the time). LR stands for Laurel Rose, by theway - an indication that Ben created the discount code especially forthis group, since Laurel Rose (or Rose Laurel) is another name for . . .. oleander.Did you know that you can get the Silver Bullet home silver generatorwith tester and timer for a little over $100 when you use the discountcode? When you order it you also get a lifetime buy-one get one freeoffer on the 8 ounce bottles of the really good stuff (AdvancedColloidal Silver).The most economical way to buy Advanced Colloidal Silver is to waituntil they have a 25% off sale and buy either a gallon or 5 galloncontainer of it. The 5 gallon container does cost a few coins, but paysoff in the long run. So long as you never let it get too cold it willlast and last too.Tonyoleander soup, "Tammatha Brown"<tammathabrown@ ...> wrote:>> Hi Tony,> Thank you Tony very much, yes it is a daily fight with much vigilance.I think so too, I'm hoping it is the die-off that is causing theincrease. The Biotoxin test I took reflected major fungus so I went withthe Dyflucan, for now I need all arsenals. I will try the CS again, Ioften save it for Weaver I give him a good amount with both of us takingit we go through it like water, it is so pricey! He does so well withit. He has never had an infection like most diabetic dogs get.>> Tammatha> -> TonyI> oleander soup> Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:10 PM> Re: Healthy person taking oleander?>>>>> Tammatha ->> As you know, markers can go up and down for various reasons. It couldpossibly be die off that is causing more of the cancer toxins to bereleased.>> I surely do hope you are continuing to use oleander and doing all thehealthy things you have done in the past.>> Colloidal silver might also help with the issue that Dyflucan isprescribed for. Several reports also indicate that the combination ofcolloidal silver and oleander is even more effective than oleanderalone.>> Taxol? That is indeed an oldie. And even more reason to keep on theoleander!>> Keep up the good fight!>> Tony>>> oleander soup, "Tammatha Brown" tammathabrown@wrote:> >> > Hi Tony,> > No it wasn't a new one. I was on one of the oldies that has beenaround awhile Taxol. It did take awhile to completely fall out, my hairsure put up a fight to stay.... but unfortunately the drug won out. Myhair though has grown back in fantastically. I'm lovin my new do!> >> > Thank you... yes, I'm doing well I'm happy to say. My tumor markerswere elevated a bit last week though but I have to say I feel better nowthan I did when they were lower. Of course the oncologist is overlyconcerned. They pin so much on the markers. Now he wants me to have abone scan. My intergrative MD put me on Dyflucan. I tested positive formolds so I'm wondering if the die-off could of caused the rise inmarkers...maybe? Whatcha think Tony?> >> > Thank you~ Tammatha> > -> > TonyI> > oleander soup> > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:25 PM> > Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> >> >> >> >> > Tammatha -> >> > What chemo drug(s) did you take? Are they relatively new? The reportabout it helping avoid or at least lessen hair loss with the exceptionof Cisplatin was issued a few years ago by the makers of Anvirzel, whohave always given me very good information. It could be that your chemodrug(s) either came along later than that report or else they had noexperience with patients who took your drug(s).> >> > Perhaps we should revise that general statement a bit, such assaying "in most instances" and "with Cisplatin being a notableexception".> >> > I bet that oleander does help the hair grow back in thicker andfaster. One of the beneficial side effects reported has been thicker andfaster growing hair and nails.> >> > I hope you are doing well, my friend, and thanks for the input.> >> > Tony> > oleander soup, "Tammatha Brown" tammathabrown@wrote:> > >> > > I must say , it may have helped some people keep their hairbut it didn't help keep mine and I wasn't on Cisplatin for chemo. Justso everyone is aware that it doesn't always help regardless of Cisplatinor not.> > >> > > Tammatha> > > -> > > May> > > oleander soup> > > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:29 PM> > > Re: Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > LOL! You are too sweet. But Tony very often comes to the rescuefirst.> > >> > > I am so glad that you have been reading all the articles and thatyou have already started supplementing revamped her diet. You are awonderful big sister. As for the toxicity issue. Actually, the onlytoxins that your sister is getting is from the chemo itself. Not onlythat, but chemo and radiation severely compromise an already weakenedimmune system and it through a weakened immune system that cancer gainsa foothold on the body. It is very important for someone with cancer totake oleander and follow the protocol, but it is crucial if a personopts for chemo and/or radiation. They need all the help they can get instrengthening their immune system.> > >> > > It is possible that chemo is playing a part in shrinking thetumor. However, the thing with chemo is that it very rarely gets all thecancer cells and ta few cells, sometimes the most aggressive ones,remain in the body. That is why even though remission is attained, thecancer usually returns with a vengeance and stronger chemo is needed. Inthese instances, chemo will not get rid of the cancer. It may push itback for a time, but the cancer will always return, and eventually win.By the way, oleander very often prevents hair loss while taking chemo.The only time that it does not is when the drug used is Cisplatin.> > >> > > Tell me, does your sister suffer from an anxiety disorder? If so,I can help you treat it naturally and effectively, but since this is offtopic, I would be very happy to help you outside the forum. Just send mean email.> > >> > > Oleander is a wonderful preventative when it comes to cancer. Thething is, that one must adapt a healthy lifestyle while taking oleander.There is no "magic pill." One must take into account their entirelifestyle.> > >> > > My Best,> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -\------> > > Ms. M. bohogirl75@> > > oleander soup> > > Tue, May 4, 2010 6:44:15 PM> > > Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > >> > >> > > Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for alwaysbeing one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies> > >> > > I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all thearticles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium),and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle!> > > I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, blessher soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, anddoes ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. Shejust struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative'person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as Isuggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. SoI prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are bigsisters for? ;-)> > >> > > Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating hercancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it asa regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - momhad breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (nogenetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. PlusI'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an optionfor me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my lifetaking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it doesrear its ugly head ;-)> > >> > > Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (theysaid it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps),and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantlysmaller (and I agree) ... too early for chemo to have done anything!> > >> > >> > >> > > oleander soup, May <luellamay129 wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi Marijana,> > > >> > > > Welcome to the group.> > > >> > > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens toeliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we stronglyrecommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. Sheshould also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that theliver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander.> > > >> > > > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and itactually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Somepeople, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they mayhave side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects areusually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is importantto increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100%oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing ifyou wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsulesa day should be sufficient for a healthy person.> > > >> > > > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read theOleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below:> > > >> > > > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm> > > >> > > > My Best,> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > Marijana bohogirl75@ ..> > > > To: oleander soup> > > > Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM> > > > Healthy person taking oleander?> > > >> > > >> > > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learnfrom and share :-)> > > > My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosedwith Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Althoughshe's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink thelump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she hasagreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by thetime surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , andthat she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation.> > > > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor isshrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next onecoming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans,IP-6, etc.> > > > I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways tohelp her through chemo, mainly with hair loss.> > > >> > > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into naturalhealth/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, Iam 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day beforeher. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting daybefore, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first.> > > >> > > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar andcomfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplementaluse. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person,and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, andI'm generally in good health.> > > > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I nowunderstand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do untilI get the other one.> > > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010  Yes I just ordered some however can't swing the $406 at the moment so I went with the 1 gal for now. Bad timing for me ..... Thank you Tracy. Tammatha - Tracy Rodriguez tammathabrown Cc: oleander soup Monday, May 10, 2010 4:30 PM Re: Re: Healthy person taking oleander? Tammatha, You are in luck, but have to act fast... I just bought a gallon of silver for $143 regular $220 & the 5 gallons is $406 regular $625 but it's only for 5 more hours! So hurry and order, this is the only time i've seen it for 35% off at Utopiasilver.com !!! Tracy :* )--- On Mon, 5/10/10, Tammatha Brown <tammathabrown (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote: Tammatha Brown <tammathabrown (AT) att (DOT) net>Re: Re: Healthy person taking oleander?oleander soup Date: Monday, May 10, 2010, 5:47 PM Honestly I know I would never make colloidal silver myself just isn't in me to make supplements. But I sure would like to know when Ben has the 25% off, is there a certain time of year he does the sale or is it random? I would love to get 5 gallons at a time, I'm constantly buying the 1 gal bottles. Yes, Tony I know about bentonite and coconut thank you, but it just doesn't seem strong enough for what I have. I have tried so many different things you can't imagine. I have had this for 20 years now that I look back. It is deeply imbedded. Unfortunately, I have to go with the script, sometimes one has too and of course supporting the body with all the good natural tactics as well is a must. My first go around with cancer in 2006 I did just natural and it metasized to my bones anyway.... so now I try not to be so rigid. I don't think that everything is totally cut and dry anymore. When you experienced what I went through you must keep an open mind to a degree and not dig ones heals in any one direction. It is survival. Thank you~ Tammatha - TonyI oleander soup Sunday, May 09, 2010 9:13 AM Re: Healthy person taking oleander? You probably know this, but bentonite clay and coconut oil are very goodagainst fungus.I know what you mean about colloidal silver - I keep anywhere from 1 to10 gallons on hand.And yes, the discount code is LR001 (good for almost all items providedthey are not on sale at the time). LR stands for Laurel Rose, by theway - an indication that Ben created the discount code especially forthis group, since Laurel Rose (or Rose Laurel) is another name for . . .. oleander.Did you know that you can get the Silver Bullet home silver generatorwith tester and timer for a little over $100 when you use the discountcode? When you order it you also get a lifetime buy-one get one freeoffer on the 8 ounce bottles of the really good stuff (AdvancedColloidal Silver).The most economical way to buy Advanced Colloidal Silver is to waituntil they have a 25% off sale and buy either a gallon or 5 galloncontainer of it. The 5 gallon container does cost a few coins, but paysoff in the long run. So long as you never let it get too cold it willlast and last too.Tonyoleander soup, "Tammatha Brown"<tammathabrown@ ...> wrote:>> Hi Tony,> Thank you Tony very much, yes it is a daily fight with much vigilance.I think so too, I'm hoping it is the die-off that is causing theincrease. The Biotoxin test I took reflected major fungus so I went withthe Dyflucan, for now I need all arsenals. I will try the CS again, Ioften save it for Weaver I give him a good amount with both of us takingit we go through it like water, it is so pricey! He does so well withit. He has never had an infection like most diabetic dogs get.>> Tammatha> -> TonyI> oleander soup> Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:10 PM> Re: Healthy person taking oleander?>>>>> Tammatha ->> As you know, markers can go up and down for various reasons. It couldpossibly be die off that is causing more of the cancer toxins to bereleased.>> I surely do hope you are continuing to use oleander and doing all thehealthy things you have done in the past.>> Colloidal silver might also help with the issue that Dyflucan isprescribed for. Several reports also indicate that the combination ofcolloidal silver and oleander is even more effective than oleanderalone.>> Taxol? That is indeed an oldie. And even more reason to keep on theoleander!>> Keep up the good fight!>> Tony>>> oleander soup, "Tammatha Brown" tammathabrown@wrote:> >> > Hi Tony,> > No it wasn't a new one. I was on one of the oldies that has beenaround awhile Taxol. It did take awhile to completely fall out, my hairsure put up a fight to stay.... but unfortunately the drug won out. Myhair though has grown back in fantastically. I'm lovin my new do!> >> > Thank you... yes, I'm doing well I'm happy to say. My tumor markerswere elevated a bit last week though but I have to say I feel better nowthan I did when they were lower. Of course the oncologist is overlyconcerned. They pin so much on the markers. Now he wants me to have abone scan. My intergrative MD put me on Dyflucan. I tested positive formolds so I'm wondering if the die-off could of caused the rise inmarkers...maybe? Whatcha think Tony?> >> > Thank you~ Tammatha> > -> > TonyI> > oleander soup> > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:25 PM> > Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> >> >> >> >> > Tammatha -> >> > What chemo drug(s) did you take? Are they relatively new? The reportabout it helping avoid or at least lessen hair loss with the exceptionof Cisplatin was issued a few years ago by the makers of Anvirzel, whohave always given me very good information. It could be that your chemodrug(s) either came along later than that report or else they had noexperience with patients who took your drug(s).> >> > Perhaps we should revise that general statement a bit, such assaying "in most instances" and "with Cisplatin being a notableexception".> >> > I bet that oleander does help the hair grow back in thicker andfaster. One of the beneficial side effects reported has been thicker andfaster growing hair and nails.> >> > I hope you are doing well, my friend, and thanks for the input.> >> > Tony> > oleander soup, "Tammatha Brown" tammathabrown@wrote:> > >> > > I must say , it may have helped some people keep their hairbut it didn't help keep mine and I wasn't on Cisplatin for chemo. Justso everyone is aware that it doesn't always help regardless of Cisplatinor not.> > >> > > Tammatha> > > -> > > May> > > oleander soup> > > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:29 PM> > > Re: Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > LOL! You are too sweet. But Tony very often comes to the rescuefirst.> > >> > > I am so glad that you have been reading all the articles and thatyou have already started supplementing revamped her diet. You are awonderful big sister. As for the toxicity issue. Actually, the onlytoxins that your sister is getting is from the chemo itself. Not onlythat, but chemo and radiation severely compromise an already weakenedimmune system and it through a weakened immune system that cancer gainsa foothold on the body. It is very important for someone with cancer totake oleander and follow the protocol, but it is crucial if a personopts for chemo and/or radiation. They need all the help they can get instrengthening their immune system.> > >> > > It is possible that chemo is playing a part in shrinking thetumor. However, the thing with chemo is that it very rarely gets all thecancer cells and ta few cells, sometimes the most aggressive ones,remain in the body. That is why even though remission is attained, thecancer usually returns with a vengeance and stronger chemo is needed. Inthese instances, chemo will not get rid of the cancer. It may push itback for a time, but the cancer will always return, and eventually win.By the way, oleander very often prevents hair loss while taking chemo.The only time that it does not is when the drug used is Cisplatin.> > >> > > Tell me, does your sister suffer from an anxiety disorder? If so,I can help you treat it naturally and effectively, but since this is offtopic, I would be very happy to help you outside the forum. Just send mean email.> > >> > > Oleander is a wonderful preventative when it comes to cancer. Thething is, that one must adapt a healthy lifestyle while taking oleander.There is no "magic pill." One must take into account their entirelifestyle.> > >> > > My Best,> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -\------> > > Ms. M. bohogirl75@> > > oleander soup> > > Tue, May 4, 2010 6:44:15 PM> > > Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > >> > >> > > Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for alwaysbeing one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies> > >> > > I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all thearticles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium),and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle!> > > I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, blessher soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, anddoes ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. Shejust struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative'person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as Isuggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. SoI prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are bigsisters for? ;-)> > >> > > Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating hercancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it asa regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - momhad breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (nogenetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. PlusI'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an optionfor me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my lifetaking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it doesrear its ugly head ;-)> > >> > > Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (theysaid it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps),and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantlysmaller (and I agree) ... too early for chemo to have done anything!> > >> > >> > >> > > oleander soup, May <luellamay129 wrote:> > > >> > > > Hi Marijana,> > > >> > > > Welcome to the group.> > > >> > > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens toeliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we stronglyrecommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. Sheshould also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that theliver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander.> > > >> > > > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and itactually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Somepeople, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they mayhave side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects areusually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is importantto increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100%oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing ifyou wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsulesa day should be sufficient for a healthy person.> > > >> > > > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read theOleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below:> > > >> > > > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm> > > >> > > > My Best,> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > Marijana bohogirl75@ ..> > > > oleander soup> > > > Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM> > > > Healthy person taking oleander?> > > >> > > >> > > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learnfrom and share :-)> > > > My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosedwith Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Althoughshe's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink thelump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she hasagreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by thetime surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , andthat she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation.> > > > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor isshrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next onecoming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans,IP-6, etc.> > > > I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways tohelp her through chemo, mainly with hair loss.> > > >> > > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into naturalhealth/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, Iam 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day beforeher. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting daybefore, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first.> > > >> > > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar andcomfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplementaluse. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person,and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, andI'm generally in good health.> > > > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I nowunderstand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do untilI get the other one.> > > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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