Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-) My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out', and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc. I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Hi Marijana,Welcome to the group. First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens to eliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we strongly recommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. She should also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that the liver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander.A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and it actually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Some people, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they may have side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects are usually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is important to increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10 capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100% oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing if you wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsules a day should be sufficient for a healthy person.In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read the Oleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below:/articles.htmMy Best,Marijana <bohogirl75oleander soup Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM Healthy person taking oleander? Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-) My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc. I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 I am taking the Rose Laurel OPC from utopiasilver.com for preventive measures. I take one a day and have been doing so for about 3 months now with no side effects. Just start slow. http://www.utopiasilver.com/products/supplements/roselaurelopc.htm My stepfather was diagnosed with Pancreatic cancer about 29 months ago and that got us into the Oleander, he is doing great and was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer and given only weeks to a couple of months to live. He is 80 years old and lives a very active life still! Best wishes to you and your Sister, this is the right place to be! Blessings, Tracy --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Marijana <bohogirl75 wrote: Marijana <bohogirl75 Healthy person taking oleander?oleander soup Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 10:24 AM Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-)My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc.I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one.Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for always being one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all the articles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium), and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other 'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle!I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, bless her soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, and does ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. She just struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative' person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as I suggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. So I prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are big sisters for? ;-)Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating her cancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it as a regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - mom had breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (no genetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Plus I'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an option for me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my life taking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it does rear its ugly head ;-)Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (they said it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps), and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantly smaller (and I agree) ... too early for chemo to have done anything!oleander soup , May <luellamay129 wrote:>> Hi Marijana,> > Welcome to the group. > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens to eliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we strongly recommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. She should also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that the liver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander.> > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and it actually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Some people, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they may have side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects are usually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is important to increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10 capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100% oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing if you wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsules a day should be sufficient for a healthy person.> > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read the Oleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below:> > /articles.htm> > My Best,> > > > > > ________________________________> Marijana bohogirl75 oleander soup > Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM> Healthy person taking oleander?> > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-)> My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc.> I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one.> Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Thanks Tracy, always good to get a 'confirmation' from another 'preventer' :-) And so very glad to hear your stepfather is winning the battle! It's stories like that that keep me smiling when the going gets tough! oleander soup , Tracy Rodriguez <tracyrod wrote: > > I am taking the Rose Laurel OPC from utopiasilver.com for preventive measures. I take one a day and have been doing so for about 3 months now with no side effects. Just start slow.         http://www.utopiasilver.com/products/supplements/roselaurelopc.htm >  > My stepfather was diagnosed with Pancreatic cancer about 29 months ago and that got us into the Oleander, he is doing great and was diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer and given only weeks to a couple of months to live. He is 80 years old and lives a very active life still! Best wishes to you and your Sister, this is the right place to be! >  > Blessings, > Tracy > --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Marijana <bohogirl75 wrote: > > > Marijana <bohogirl75 > Healthy person taking oleander? > oleander soup > Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 10:24 AM > > >  > > > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-) > My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc. > I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one. > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 LOL! You are too sweet. But Tony very often comes to the rescue first. I am so glad that you have been reading all the articles and that you have already started supplementing revamped her diet. You are a wonderful big sister. As for the toxicity issue. Actually, the only toxins that your sister is getting is from the chemo itself. Not only that, but chemo and radiation severely compromise an already weakened immune system and it through a weakened immune system that cancer gains a foothold on the body. It is very important for someone with cancer to take oleander and follow the protocol, but it is crucial if a person opts for chemo and/or radiation. They need all the help they can get in strengthening their immune system. It is possible that chemo is playing a part in shrinking the tumor. However, the thing with chemo is that it very rarely gets all the cancer cells and ta few cells, sometimes the most aggressive ones, remain in the body. That is why even though remission is attained, the cancer usually returns with a vengeance and stronger chemo is needed. In these instances, chemo will not get rid of the cancer. It may push it back for a time, but the cancer will always return, and eventually win. By the way, oleander very often prevents hair loss while taking chemo. The only time that it does not is when the drug used is Cisplatin.Tell me, does your sister suffer from an anxiety disorder? If so, I can help you treat it naturally and effectively, but since this is off topic, I would be very happy to help you outside the forum. Just send me an email. Oleander is a wonderful preventative when it comes to cancer. The thing is, that one must adapt a healthy lifestyle while taking oleander. There is no "magic pill." One must take into account their entire lifestyle.My Best,Ms. M. <bohogirl75oleander soup Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 6:44:15 PM Re: Healthy person taking oleander? Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for always being one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all the articles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium), and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other 'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle!I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, bless her soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, and does ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. She just struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative' person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as I suggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. So I prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are big sisters for? ;-)Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating her cancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it as a regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - mom had breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (no genetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Plus I'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an option for me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my life taking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it does rear its ugly head ;-)Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (they said it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps), and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantly smaller (and I agree) ... too early for chemo to have done anything!oleander soup, May <luellamay129@ ...> wrote:>> Hi Marijana,> > Welcome to the group. > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens to eliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we strongly recommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. She should also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that the liver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander.> > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and it actually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Some people, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they may have side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects are usually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is important to increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10 capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100% oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing if you wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsules a day should be sufficient for a healthy person.> > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read the Oleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below:> > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm> > My Best,> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Marijana bohogirl75@. ..> oleander soup> Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM> Healthy person taking oleander?> > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-)> My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc.> I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one.> Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010  I must say , it may have helped some people keep their hair but it didn't help keep mine and I wasn't on Cisplatin for chemo. Just so everyone is aware that it doesn't always help regardless of Cisplatin or not. Tammatha - May oleander soup Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:29 PM Re: Re: Healthy person taking oleander? LOL! You are too sweet. But Tony very often comes to the rescue first. I am so glad that you have been reading all the articles and that you have already started supplementing revamped her diet. You are a wonderful big sister. As for the toxicity issue. Actually, the only toxins that your sister is getting is from the chemo itself. Not only that, but chemo and radiation severely compromise an already weakened immune system and it through a weakened immune system that cancer gains a foothold on the body. It is very important for someone with cancer to take oleander and follow the protocol, but it is crucial if a person opts for chemo and/or radiation. They need all the help they can get in strengthening their immune system. It is possible that chemo is playing a part in shrinking the tumor. However, the thing with chemo is that it very rarely gets all the cancer cells and ta few cells, sometimes the most aggressive ones, remain in the body. That is why even though remission is attained, the cancer usually returns with a vengeance and stronger chemo is needed. In these instances, chemo will not get rid of the cancer. It may push it back for a time, but the cancer will always return, and eventually win. By the way, oleander very often prevents hair loss while taking chemo. The only time that it does not is when the drug used is Cisplatin.Tell me, does your sister suffer from an anxiety disorder? If so, I can help you treat it naturally and effectively, but since this is off topic, I would be very happy to help you outside the forum. Just send me an email. Oleander is a wonderful preventative when it comes to cancer. The thing is, that one must adapt a healthy lifestyle while taking oleander. There is no "magic pill." One must take into account their entire lifestyle.My Best, Ms. M. <bohogirl75 >oleander soup Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 6:44:15 PM Re: Healthy person taking oleander? Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for always being one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all the articles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium), and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other 'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle!I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, bless her soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, and does ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. She just struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative' person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as I suggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. So I prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are big sisters for? ;-)Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating her cancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it as a regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - mom had breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (no genetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Plus I'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an option for me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my life taking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it does rear its ugly head ;-)Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (they said it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps), and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantly smaller (and I agree) ... too early for chemo to have done anything!oleander soup, May <luellamay129@ ...> wrote:>> Hi Marijana,> > Welcome to the group. > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens to eliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we strongly recommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. She should also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that the liver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander.> > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and it actually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Some people, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they may have side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects are usually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is important to increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10 capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100% oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing if you wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsules a day should be sufficient for a healthy person.> > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read the Oleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below:> > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm> > My Best,> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Marijana bohogirl75@. ..> oleander soup> Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM> Healthy person taking oleander?> > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-)> My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc.> I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one.> Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Tammatha - What chemo drug(s) did you take? Are they relatively new? The report about it helping avoid or at least lessen hair loss with the exception of Cisplatin was issued a few years ago by the makers of Anvirzel, who have always given me very good information. It could be that your chemo drug(s) either came along later than that report or else they had no experience with patients who took your drug(s). Perhaps we should revise that general statement a bit, such as saying "in most instances" and "with Cisplatin being a notable exception". I bet that oleander does help the hair grow back in thicker and faster. One of the beneficial side effects reported has been thicker and faster growing hair and nails. I hope you are doing well, my friend, and thanks for the input. Tonyoleander soup , "Tammatha Brown" <tammathabrown wrote:>> I must say , it may have helped some people keep their hair but it didn't help keep mine and I wasn't on Cisplatin for chemo. Just so everyone is aware that it doesn't always help regardless of Cisplatin or not.> > Tammatha> - > May > oleander soup > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:29 PM> Re: Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > > > > LOL! You are too sweet. But Tony very often comes to the rescue first. > > I am so glad that you have been reading all the articles and that you have already started supplementing revamped her diet. You are a wonderful big sister. As for the toxicity issue. Actually, the only toxins that your sister is getting is from the chemo itself. Not only that, but chemo and radiation severely compromise an already weakened immune system and it through a weakened immune system that cancer gains a foothold on the body. It is very important for someone with cancer to take oleander and follow the protocol, but it is crucial if a person opts for chemo and/or radiation. They need all the help they can get in strengthening their immune system. > > It is possible that chemo is playing a part in shrinking the tumor. However, the thing with chemo is that it very rarely gets all the cancer cells and ta few cells, sometimes the most aggressive ones, remain in the body. That is why even though remission is attained, the cancer usually returns with a vengeance and stronger chemo is needed. In these instances, chemo will not get rid of the cancer. It may push it back for a time, but the cancer will always return, and eventually win. By the way, oleander very often prevents hair loss while taking chemo. The only time that it does not is when the drug used is Cisplatin.> > Tell me, does your sister suffer from an anxiety disorder? If so, I can help you treat it naturally and effectively, but since this is off topic, I would be very happy to help you outside the forum. Just send me an email. > > Oleander is a wonderful preventative when it comes to cancer. The thing is, that one must adapt a healthy lifestyle while taking oleander. There is no "magic pill." One must take into account their entire lifestyle.> > My Best,> > > > > > > > Ms. M. bohogirl75 oleander soup > Tue, May 4, 2010 6:44:15 PM> Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > > Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for always being one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies > > I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all the articles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium), and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other 'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle!> I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, bless her soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, and does ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. She just struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative' person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as I suggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. So I prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are big sisters for? ;-)> > Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating her cancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it as a regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - mom had breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (no genetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Plus I'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an option for me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my life taking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it does rear its ugly head ;-)> > Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (they said it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps), and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantly smaller (and I agree) ... too early for chemo to have done anything!> > > > oleander soup, May <luellamay129@ ...> wrote:> >> > Hi Marijana,> > > > Welcome to the group. > > > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens to eliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we strongly recommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. She should also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that the liver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander.> > > > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and it actually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Some people, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they may have side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects are usually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is important to increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10 capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100% oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing if you wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsules a day should be sufficient for a healthy person.> > > > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read the Oleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below:> > > > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm> > > > My Best,> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Marijana bohogirl75@ ..> > oleander soup> > Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM> > Healthy person taking oleander?> > > > > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-)> > My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. > > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc.> > I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. > > > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. > > > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. > > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one.> > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Hi Tony, No it wasn't a new one. I was on one of the oldies that has been around awhile Taxol. It did take awhile to completely fall out, my hair sure put up a fight to stay.... but unfortunately the drug won out. My hair though has grown back in fantastically. I'm lovin my new do! Thank you... yes, I'm doing well I'm happy to say. My tumor markers were elevated a bit last week though but I have to say I feel better now than I did when they were lower. Of course the oncologist is overly concerned. They pin so much on the markers. Now he wants me to have a bone scan. My intergrative MD put me on Dyflucan. I tested positive for molds so I'm wondering if the die-off could of caused the rise in markers...maybe? Whatcha think Tony? Thank you~ Tammatha - TonyI oleander soup Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:25 PM Re: Healthy person taking oleander? Tammatha - What chemo drug(s) did you take? Are they relatively new? The report about it helping avoid or at least lessen hair loss with the exception of Cisplatin was issued a few years ago by the makers of Anvirzel, who have always given me very good information. It could be that your chemo drug(s) either came along later than that report or else they had no experience with patients who took your drug(s). Perhaps we should revise that general statement a bit, such as saying "in most instances" and "with Cisplatin being a notable exception". I bet that oleander does help the hair grow back in thicker and faster. One of the beneficial side effects reported has been thicker and faster growing hair and nails. I hope you are doing well, my friend, and thanks for the input. Tonyoleander soup , "Tammatha Brown" <tammathabrown wrote:>> I must say , it may have helped some people keep their hair but it didn't help keep mine and I wasn't on Cisplatin for chemo. Just so everyone is aware that it doesn't always help regardless of Cisplatin or not.> > Tammatha> - > May > oleander soup > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:29 PM> Re: Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > > > > LOL! You are too sweet. But Tony very often comes to the rescue first. > > I am so glad that you have been reading all the articles and that you have already started supplementing revamped her diet. You are a wonderful big sister. As for the toxicity issue. Actually, the only toxins that your sister is getting is from the chemo itself. Not only that, but chemo and radiation severely compromise an already weakened immune system and it through a weakened immune system that cancer gains a foothold on the body. It is very important for someone with cancer to take oleander and follow the protocol, but it is crucial if a person opts for chemo and/or radiation. They need all the help they can get in strengthening their immune system. > > It is possible that chemo is playing a part in shrinking the tumor. However, the thing with chemo is that it very rarely gets all the cancer cells and ta few cells, sometimes the most aggressive ones, remain in the body. That is why even though remission is attained, the cancer usually returns with a vengeance and stronger chemo is needed. In these instances, chemo will not get rid of the cancer. It may push it back for a time, but the cancer will always return, and eventually win. By the way, oleander very often prevents hair loss while taking chemo. The only time that it does not is when the drug used is Cisplatin.> > Tell me, does your sister suffer from an anxiety disorder? If so, I can help you treat it naturally and effectively, but since this is off topic, I would be very happy to help you outside the forum. Just send me an email. > > Oleander is a wonderful preventative when it comes to cancer. The thing is, that one must adapt a healthy lifestyle while taking oleander. There is no "magic pill." One must take into account their entire lifestyle.> > My Best,> > > > > > > > Ms. M. bohogirl75 oleander soup > Tue, May 4, 2010 6:44:15 PM> Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > > Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for always being one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies > > I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all the articles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium), and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other 'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle!> I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, bless her soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, and does ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. She just struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative' person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as I suggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. So I prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are big sisters for? ;-)> > Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating her cancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it as a regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - mom had breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (no genetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Plus I'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an option for me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my life taking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it does rear its ugly head ;-)> > Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (they said it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps), and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantly smaller (and I agree) ... too early for chemo to have done anything!> > > > oleander soup, May <luellamay129@ ...> wrote:> >> > Hi Marijana,> > > > Welcome to the group. > > > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens to eliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we strongly recommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. She should also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that the liver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander.> > > > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and it actually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Some people, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they may have side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects are usually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is important to increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10 capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100% oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing if you wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsules a day should be sufficient for a healthy person.> > > > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read the Oleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below:> > > > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm> > > > My Best,> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Marijana bohogirl75@ ..> > oleander soup> > Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM> > Healthy person taking oleander?> > > > > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-)> > My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. > > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc.> > I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. > > > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. > > > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. > > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one.> > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Thank you very much for the offer to help with anxiety - I will email you as to not clutter the forum with off topic :-) As for the rest, that's kind of how I 'wrapped' it for mom and sis at first - that I want to strengthen her immune system so that she goes through chemo with as little damage as possible. I'm sort of a black sheep of the family, as far as medicine goes, but I get away with it because I was basically born 'wrong' and western medicine and I simply don't get along - I have yet to meet a pharmaceutical that doesn't try to kill me by means of anaphylaxis - including, believe it or not, ibuprofen! I was struggling greatly while watching sis recover from the first chemo session (although, only one day was kinda bad, but it could have also been caffeine detox... needless to say, she hasn't touched coffee since), and it'll continue to be a struggle - I feel like such a hypocrite for allowing such brutality, such barbaric methods to be used on the person I love more than anything in the world, when I myself would refuse it. But I also know that she is not me, that she doesn't know jack about alternative medicine, that she is my mother's daughter, and that that same mother would kill me if I advised sis to refuse conventional treatment. (oh, and don't get me started on how I felt/still feel after the white blood cell booster fiasco, when they failed to tell us she could develop a fever as a normal side-effect, and that the 'call right away if she gets a fever of 100.5' didn't apply for a few days after the booster. Doctor on call told us to go to ER, ER personnel thought she had an infection, ignored me and my 'don't treat her, call her oncologist first, she had a white blood cell booster' - seriously, my sister counted - I've said it 5 different times over the course of the evening before I physically placed myself between sis and doctor and refused to allow them further access until they called the oncologist. Meanwhile, they gave her Vancomycin and Levaquin, and a prescription for a 5 day Levaquin treatment. I refused to fill it until we talked to her doctor, whom I then pretty much scared to death - I was seriously livid. My sister is still getting a good chuckle out of it - you have to understand that I'm a tiny little person, and generally super gentle and mellow, so having a grown, ex-military man fear me is actually pretty funny ;-) And, since she received such strong antibiotics for no reason at all (as if there ever is a reason for antibiotics), I need all the extra immune-building help I can get for her! Yay oleander! I think I'm babbling now... I'm really tired and just really excited about discovering this venue, and having someone to share this journey with. I'm fortunate that my sister knows that I love her more than life itself and as a result, trusts me completely and allows me to 'treat' her, but it's been a lonely journey so far - we're surrounded by 'conventional' everything and having come here to help her through this, I'm far from my (alternative) practitioners, my friends, my support system. Keep up the good work everyone, and do share success stories - I know I certainly will :-) Btw, I think that the ol' 'proof's in the pudding' adage will prove to be my (our) saving grace here, and that both mom and sis are slowly coming over to 'my' side - not only does sis look better than ever (radiant, even, believe it or not!), but within two weeks of starting all the supplements I'm giving her, between initial test and pre-chemo test, her blood work improved drastically! (I can't wait to see what it'll look like in another few weeks, after she's been on oleander for awhile (accounting, of course, for what chemo does to one's system)). Mom's already asked if I would put her on the same 'diet' once I come home, and sis is now open to the idea of re-thinking having chemo after surgery, as her oncologist cookie-cut her treatment, and instead waiting to see what happens if she just skips it and continues taking supplements. Fingers crossed :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Tammatha - As you know, markers can go up and down for various reasons. It could possibly be die off that is causing more of the cancer toxins to be released. I surely do hope you are continuing to use oleander and doing all the healthy things you have done in the past. Colloidal silver might also help with the issue that Dyflucan is prescribed for. Several reports also indicate that the combination of colloidal silver and oleander is even more effective than oleander alone. Taxol? That is indeed an oldie. And even more reason to keep on the oleander! Keep up the good fight! oleander soup , "Tammatha Brown" <tammathabrown wrote:>> Hi Tony,> No it wasn't a new one. I was on one of the oldies that has been around awhile Taxol. It did take awhile to completely fall out, my hair sure put up a fight to stay.... but unfortunately the drug won out. My hair though has grown back in fantastically. I'm lovin my new do!> > Thank you... yes, I'm doing well I'm happy to say. My tumor markers were elevated a bit last week though but I have to say I feel better now than I did when they were lower. Of course the oncologist is overly concerned. They pin so much on the markers. Now he wants me to have a bone scan. My intergrative MD put me on Dyflucan. I tested positive for molds so I'm wondering if the die-off could of caused the rise in markers...maybe? Whatcha think Tony?> > Thank you~ Tammatha> - >> oleander soup > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:25 PM> Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > > > > Tammatha -> > What chemo drug(s) did you take? Are they relatively new? The report about it helping avoid or at least lessen hair loss with the exception of Cisplatin was issued a few years ago by the makers of Anvirzel, who have always given me very good information. It could be that your chemo drug(s) either came along later than that report or else they had no experience with patients who took your drug(s).> > Perhaps we should revise that general statement a bit, such as saying "in most instances" and "with Cisplatin being a notable exception".> > I bet that oleander does help the hair grow back in thicker and faster. One of the beneficial side effects reported has been thicker and faster growing hair and nails.> > I hope you are doing well, my friend, and thanks for the input.> > Tony> oleander soup , "Tammatha Brown" tammathabrown@ wrote:> >> > I must say , it may have helped some people keep their hair but it didn't help keep mine and I wasn't on Cisplatin for chemo. Just so everyone is aware that it doesn't always help regardless of Cisplatin or not.> > > > Tammatha> > - > > May > > oleander soup > > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:29 PM> > Re: Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > > > > > > > > > LOL! You are too sweet. But Tony very often comes to the rescue first. > > > > I am so glad that you have been reading all the articles and that you have already started supplementing revamped her diet. You are a wonderful big sister. As for the toxicity issue. Actually, the only toxins that your sister is getting is from the chemo itself. Not only that, but chemo and radiation severely compromise an already weakened immune system and it through a weakened immune system that cancer gains a foothold on the body. It is very important for someone with cancer to take oleander and follow the protocol, but it is crucial if a person opts for chemo and/or radiation. They need all the help they can get in strengthening their immune system. > > > > It is possible that chemo is playing a part in shrinking the tumor. However, the thing with chemo is that it very rarely gets all the cancer cells and ta few cells, sometimes the most aggressive ones, remain in the body. That is why even though remission is attained, the cancer usually returns with a vengeance and stronger chemo is needed. In these instances, chemo will not get rid of the cancer. It may push it back for a time, but the cancer will always return, and eventually win. By the way, oleander very often prevents hair loss while taking chemo. The only time that it does not is when the drug used is Cisplatin.> > > > Tell me, does your sister suffer from an anxiety disorder? If so, I can help you treat it naturally and effectively, but since this is off topic, I would be very happy to help you outside the forum. Just send me an email. > > > > Oleander is a wonderful preventative when it comes to cancer. The thing is, that one must adapt a healthy lifestyle while taking oleander. There is no "magic pill." One must take into account their entire lifestyle.> > > > My Best,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. M. bohogirl75@> > oleander soup > > Tue, May 4, 2010 6:44:15 PM> > Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > > > > > Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for always being one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies > > > > I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all the articles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium), and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other 'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle!> > I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, bless her soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, and does ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. She just struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative' person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as I suggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. So I prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are big sisters for? ;-)> > > > Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating her cancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it as a regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - mom had breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (no genetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Plus I'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an option for me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my life taking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it does rear its ugly head ;-)> > > > Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (they said it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps), and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantly smaller (and I agree) ... too early for chemo to have done anything!> > > > > > > > oleander soup, May <luellamay129@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Hi Marijana,> > > > > > Welcome to the group. > > > > > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens to eliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we strongly recommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. She should also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that the liver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander.> > > > > > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and it actually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Some people, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they may have side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects are usually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is important to increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10 capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100% oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing if you wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsules a day should be sufficient for a healthy person.> > > > > > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read the Oleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below:> > > > > > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm> > > > > > My Best,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Marijana bohogirl75@ ..> > > oleander soup> > > Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM> > > Healthy person taking oleander?> > > > > > > > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-)> > > My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. > > > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc.> > > I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. > > > > > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. > > > > > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. > > > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one.> > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Tamatha, sorry to hear about the hairloss and yay for the new do! I think, in general, it's important to keep in mind that hairloss is such a universal chemo thing, that it not occurring would be something of a miracle. My sis is actually kind of ok with it, accepts that it will happen, and understands that it will probably be a psychological blow when it does. I'm the one who's turned trying to save her hair into my own crusade. I don't burden her with it, as I don't want her to fall even harder when the hairloss does come. But if I can make it not come... I guess I feel so powerless in protecting her - despite all the immuno-protection I'm trying to provide and all the cooking, feeding, advocating, everything, I just feel powerless. I wish I could just... do something to make it all go away. The rational part of me knows that I've gone above and beyond sisterly duty, that I'm doing everything in my power, that making her strong and healthy and able to withstand chemo without lasting damage to her system should be enough, but I just don't feel it is. Maybe if I can spare her the psychological hit of hairloss... Whether or not she loses her hair, my crusade will not have been for nothing - it did bring me here and it did add oleander to our routine. Until the hair thing, I glossed over it, didn't pay much attention to it. So even if the hair thing is an anomaly, it turned out to be a great attention grabber :-) I hope your markers go back down soon - how often do you get them checked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 ! I like the Off topic Post! It widens my Knowledge to many this I may not of heard in the first place. Of course there is a limit to the subjects discussed. Ron oleander soup , May <luellamay129 wrote: > > LOL! You are too sweet. But Tony very often comes to the rescue first. > > I am so glad that you have been reading all the articles and that you have already started supplementing revamped her diet. You are a wonderful big sister. As for the toxicity issue. Actually, the only toxins that your sister is getting is from the chemo itself. Not only that, but chemo and radiation severely compromise an already weakened immune system and it through a weakened immune system that cancer gains a foothold on the body. It is very important for someone with cancer to take oleander and follow the protocol, but it is crucial if a person opts for chemo and/or radiation. They need all the help they can get in strengthening their immune system. > > It is possible that chemo is playing a part in shrinking the tumor. However, the thing with chemo is that it very rarely gets all the cancer cells and ta few cells, sometimes the most aggressive ones, remain in the body. That is why even though remission is attained, the cancer usually returns with a vengeance and stronger chemo is needed. In these instances, chemo will not get rid of the cancer. It may push it back for a time, but the cancer will always return, and eventually win. By the way, oleander very often prevents hair loss while taking chemo. The only time that it does not is when the drug used is Cisplatin. > > Tell me, does your sister suffer from an anxiety disorder? If so, I can help you treat it naturally and effectively, but since this is off topic, I would be very happy to help you outside the forum. Just send me an email. > > Oleander is a wonderful preventative when it comes to cancer. The thing is, that one must adapt a healthy lifestyle while taking oleander. There is no " magic pill. " One must take into account their entire lifestyle. > > My Best, > > > > > > ________________________________ > Ms. M. <bohogirl75 > oleander soup > Tue, May 4, 2010 6:44:15 PM > Re: Healthy person taking oleander? > > > Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for always being one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies > > I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all the articles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium), and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other 'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle! > I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, bless her soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, and does ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. She just struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative' person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as I suggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. So I prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are big sisters for? ;-) > > Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating her cancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it as a regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - mom had breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (no genetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Plus I'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an option for me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my life taking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it does rear its ugly head ;-) > > Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (they said it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps), and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantly smaller (and I agree) .... too early for chemo to have done anything! > > > > oleander soup, May <luellamay129@ ...> wrote: > > > > Hi Marijana, > > > > Welcome to the group. > > > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens to eliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we strongly recommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. She should also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that the liver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander. > > > > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and it actually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Some people, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they may have side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects are usually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is important to increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10 capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100% oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing if you wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsules a day should be sufficient for a healthy person. > > > > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read the Oleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below: > > > > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm > > > > My Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Marijana bohogirl75@ .. > > oleander soup > > Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM > > Healthy person taking oleander? > > > > > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-) > > My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. > > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc. > > I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. > > > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. > > > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. > > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one. > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 You have definitely gone above and beyond the call. Everyone should be so fortunate to have a sister such as you. Keep up the good work and best wishes for an outcome I believe will be better than you have dreamed of. How can it not, with you here in the group - and Tony & at the helm to help guide us? My best, Ila - Ms. M. oleander soup Tuesday, May 04, 2010 11:01 PM Re: Healthy person taking oleander? Tamatha, sorry to hear about the hairloss and yay for the new do!I think, in general, it's important to keep in mind that hairloss is such a universal chemo thing, that it not occurring would be something of a miracle.My sis is actually kind of ok with it, accepts that it will happen, and understands that it will probably be a psychological blow when it does. I'm the one who's turned trying to save her hair into my own crusade. I don't burden her with it, as I don't want her to fall even harder when the hairloss does come. But if I can make it not come... I guess I feel so powerless in protecting her - despite all the immuno-protection I'm trying to provide and all the cooking, feeding, advocating, everything, I just feel powerless. I wish I could just... do something to make it all go away. The rational part of me knows that I've gone above and beyond sisterly duty, that I'm doing everything in my power, that making her strong and healthy and able to withstand chemo without lasting damage to her system should be enough, but I just don't feel it is. Maybe if I can spare her the psychological hit of hairloss...Whether or not she loses her hair, my crusade will not have been for nothing - it did bring me here and it did add oleander to our routine. Until the hair thing, I glossed over it, didn't pay much attention to it. So even if the hair thing is an anomaly, it turned out to be a great attention grabber :-)I hope your markers go back down soon - how often do you get them checked? Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2855 - Release 05/04/10 23:26:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 When caring for a loved one, we want to do everything in our power to make it okay. You are doing a marvelous job, the very best you can. Try now to feel powerless. In fact, I see power in the steps you are taking in treating your sister. You are not only guiding her in how to address the cancer naturally, but you are giving her much needed emotional support.My Best,Ms. M. <bohogirl75oleander soup Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 1:01:34 AM Re: Healthy person taking oleander? Tamatha, sorry to hear about the hairloss and yay for the new do! I think, in general, it's important to keep in mind that hairloss is such a universal chemo thing, that it not occurring would be something of a miracle. My sis is actually kind of ok with it, accepts that it will happen, and understands that it will probably be a psychological blow when it does. I'm the one who's turned trying to save her hair into my own crusade. I don't burden her with it, as I don't want her to fall even harder when the hairloss does come. But if I can make it not come... I guess I feel so powerless in protecting her - despite all the immuno-protection I'm trying to provide and all the cooking, feeding, advocating, everything, I just feel powerless. I wish I could just... do something to make it all go away. The rational part of me knows that I've gone above and beyond sisterly duty, that I'm doing everything in my power, that making her strong and healthy and able to withstand chemo without lasting damage to her system should be enough, but I just don't feel it is. Maybe if I can spare her the psychological hit of hairloss... Whether or not she loses her hair, my crusade will not have been for nothing - it did bring me here and it did add oleander to our routine. Until the hair thing, I glossed over it, didn't pay much attention to it. So even if the hair thing is an anomaly, it turned out to be a great attention grabber :-) I hope your markers go back down soon - how often do you get them checked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 This all sounds very encouraging, especially with your sister thinking about dropping chemo and radiation and your mom asking for a healthy diet. However, you are in no way a hypocrite. In the end, the choice of treatment belongs to your sister. Thank goodness that she is opting to use alternative meausures with chemo. It is literally heartbreaking when they forego natural healing and opt solely for conventional means. Yet, we have to realize that it is their choice and be there for support when needed.Levoquin? That is one antibiotic with nasty side effects and one of them is that it increases anxiety to great proportions. Just to let you know, colloidal silver is actually more effective than antibiotics. It kills one-celled pathogens, even those becoming resistant to antibiotics. This is what I use when the need arises. And you will also notice that colloidal silver is an important part of the protocol. We do recommend only the best which is from Utopia Silver. If you have not ordered already, they have a first time buyer offer where you receive one free bottle for every 8 oz bottle ordered. But you must call to receive this offer, as it is only available to members of certain forums. After that, by using coupon code LR001, you receive a 15% discount if it is not on sale.Keep up the good work. You are an awesome sister!My Best,Ms. M. <bohogirl75oleander soup Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 11:56:06 PM Re: Healthy person taking oleander? Thank you very much for the offer to help with anxiety - I will email you as to not clutter the forum with off topic :-) As for the rest, that's kind of how I 'wrapped' it for mom and sis at first - that I want to strengthen her immune system so that she goes through chemo with as little damage as possible. I'm sort of a black sheep of the family, as far as medicine goes, but I get away with it because I was basically born 'wrong' and western medicine and I simply don't get along - I have yet to meet a pharmaceutical that doesn't try to kill me by means of anaphylaxis - including, believe it or not, ibuprofen! I was struggling greatly while watching sis recover from the first chemo session (although, only one day was kinda bad, but it could have also been caffeine detox... needless to say, she hasn't touched coffee since), and it'll continue to be a struggle - I feel like such a hypocrite for allowing such brutality, such barbaric methods to be used on the person I love more than anything in the world, when I myself would refuse it. But I also know that she is not me, that she doesn't know jack about alternative medicine, that she is my mother's daughter, and that that same mother would kill me if I advised sis to refuse conventional treatment. (oh, and don't get me started on how I felt/still feel after the white blood cell booster fiasco, when they failed to tell us she could develop a fever as a normal side-effect, and that the 'call right away if she gets a fever of 100.5' didn't apply for a few days after the booster. Doctor on call told us to go to ER, ER personnel thought she had an infection, ignored me and my 'don't treat her, call her oncologist first, she had a white blood cell booster' - seriously, my sister counted - I've said it 5 different times over the course of the evening before I physically placed myself between sis and doctor and refused to allow them further access until they called the oncologist. Meanwhile, they gave her Vancomycin and Levaquin, and a prescription for a 5 day Levaquin treatment. I refused to fill it until we talked to her doctor, whom I then pretty much scared to death - I was seriously livid. My sister is still getting a good chuckle out of it - you have to understand that I'm a tiny little person, and generally super gentle and mellow, so having a grown, ex-military man fear me is actually pretty funny ;-) And, since she received such strong antibiotics for no reason at all (as if there ever is a reason for antibiotics) , I need all the extra immune-building help I can get for her! Yay oleander! I think I'm babbling now... I'm really tired and just really excited about discovering this venue, and having someone to share this journey with. I'm fortunate that my sister knows that I love her more than life itself and as a result, trusts me completely and allows me to 'treat' her, but it's been a lonely journey so far - we're surrounded by 'conventional' everything and having come here to help her through this, I'm far from my (alternative) practitioners, my friends, my support system. Keep up the good work everyone, and do share success stories - I know I certainly will :-) Btw, I think that the ol' 'proof's in the pudding' adage will prove to be my (our) saving grace here, and that both mom and sis are slowly coming over to 'my' side - not only does sis look better than ever (radiant, even, believe it or not!), but within two weeks of starting all the supplements I'm giving her, between initial test and pre-chemo test, her blood work improved drastically! (I can't wait to see what it'll look like in another few weeks, after she's been on oleander for awhile (accounting, of course, for what chemo does to one's system)). Mom's already asked if I would put her on the same 'diet' once I come home, and sis is now open to the idea of re-thinking having chemo after surgery, as her oncologist cookie-cut her treatment, and instead waiting to see what happens if she just skips it and continues taking supplements. Fingers crossed :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2010 Report Share Posted May 6, 2010 ; Please I'd like some anxiety relief too!! When the mold allergy is upon me the anxiety level gets so great, I can't begin to describe it. Thank you. Kathy K oleander soup , " Monkeyron " <rw wrote: > > ! > I like the Off topic Post! It widens my Knowledge to many this I may not of heard in the first place. Of course there is a limit to the subjects discussed. > Ron > > > oleander soup , May <luellamay129@> wrote: > > > > LOL! You are too sweet. But Tony very often comes to the rescue first. > > > > I am so glad that you have been reading all the articles and that you have already started supplementing revamped her diet. You are a wonderful big sister. As for the toxicity issue. Actually, the only toxins that your sister is getting is from the chemo itself. Not only that, but chemo and radiation severely compromise an already weakened immune system and it through a weakened immune system that cancer gains a foothold on the body. It is very important for someone with cancer to take oleander and follow the protocol, but it is crucial if a person opts for chemo and/or radiation. They need all the help they can get in strengthening their immune system. > > > > It is possible that chemo is playing a part in shrinking the tumor. However, the thing with chemo is that it very rarely gets all the cancer cells and ta few cells, sometimes the most aggressive ones, remain in the body. That is why even though remission is attained, the cancer usually returns with a vengeance and stronger chemo is needed. In these instances, chemo will not get rid of the cancer. It may push it back for a time, but the cancer will always return, and eventually win. By the way, oleander very often prevents hair loss while taking chemo. The only time that it does not is when the drug used is Cisplatin. > > > > Tell me, does your sister suffer from an anxiety disorder? If so, I can help you treat it naturally and effectively, but since this is off topic, I would be very happy to help you outside the forum. Just send me an email. > > > > Oleander is a wonderful preventative when it comes to cancer. The thing is, that one must adapt a healthy lifestyle while taking oleander. There is no " magic pill. " One must take into account their entire lifestyle. > > > > My Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Ms. M. <bohogirl75@> > > oleander soup > > Tue, May 4, 2010 6:44:15 PM > > Re: Healthy person taking oleander? > > > > > > Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for always being one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies > > > > I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all the articles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium), and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other 'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle! > > I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, bless her soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, and does ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. She just struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative' person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as I suggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. So I prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are big sisters for? ;-) > > > > Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating her cancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it as a regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - mom had breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (no genetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Plus I'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an option for me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my life taking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it does rear its ugly head ;-) > > > > Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (they said it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps), and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantly smaller (and I agree) .... too early for chemo to have done anything! > > > > > > > > oleander soup, May <luellamay129@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Marijana, > > > > > > Welcome to the group. > > > > > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens to eliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we strongly recommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. She should also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that the liver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander. > > > > > > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and it actually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Some people, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they may have side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects are usually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is important to increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10 capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100% oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing if you wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsules a day should be sufficient for a healthy person. > > > > > > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read the Oleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below: > > > > > > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm > > > > > > My Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Marijana bohogirl75@ .. > > > oleander soup > > > Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM > > > Healthy person taking oleander? > > > > > > > > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-) > > > My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. > > > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc. > > > I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. > > > > > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. > > > > > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. > > > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one. > > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Kathy, I'll send you an email.Hugs,geekling <geeklingoleander soup Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 7:20:46 PM Re: Healthy person taking oleander? ; Please I'd like some anxiety relief too!! When the mold allergy is upon me the anxiety level gets so great, I can't begin to describe it. Thank you. Kathy K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Hi Ron,To tell you the truth, I have received such an influx of private emails on this subject, I am afraid that if we covered this topic in the forum, it might overtake it. And this is a cancer forum. That's one reason why we branched out to Oleandersoup for Pets, because the pets seemed to be overriding the people.But with the large number of emails that I have received, I am wondering if this topic wouldn't be best addressed in a separate forum. So, everyone, if there's interest, please let me know and I will discuss it with Tony.Just as with Oleandersoup, maybe those of us with anxiety might benefit from learning how to treat it naturally, while receiving the support the needed support. Notice that I use the words "us" and "we." There was a time when I suffered from severe anxiety and panic. In fact, I became agoraphobic. So this topic holds a special place in my heart, and I am here to help and support anyone suffering from this condition.My Best,oleander soup , "Monkeyron" <rw wrote:>> !> I like the Off topic Post! It widens my Knowledge to many this I may not of heard in the first place. Of course there is a limit to the subjects discussed.> Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Thank you very much for your kindness and interest, . BTW, I got a horrifying article from a concerned person regarding store bought veggie burgers, which most folks think of as healthy for them. It seems not. MANY of the supposedly ORGANIC companies use Hexane in their process. This is a chemical which can greatly damage a liver and other tender parts of a body even if that body is not compromised. I'n including a link to the Cornucopia Institute pdf as they are the trusted source of the investigative information. On page 23, to save everybody time, are the truly organic suppliers of a halfway decent veggie burger. To the bottom of the pdf are the bad guys and a sample email so customers who wish can send a disparaging note to those companies which purposefully endeavor to fool the public into thinking their products are safe while only being after protecting their own corporate bottom line. http://www.cornucopia.org/soysurvey/OrganicSoyReport/behindthebean_color_final.p\ df If the link does not work, please copy paste, if you've interest. Blessings Kathy K oleander soup , May <luellamay129 wrote: > > Kathy, I'll send you an email. > > Hugs, > > > > > > ________________________________ > geekling <geekling > oleander soup > Wed, May 5, 2010 7:20:46 PM > Re: Healthy person taking oleander? > > > ; > > Please I'd like some anxiety relief too!! > > When the mold allergy is upon me the anxiety level gets so great, I can't begin to describe it. > > Thank you. > > Kathy K > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 You are most welcome Kathy.And thank you so much for this information and link. You have to be so very careful these days. You think that you're eating healthy and you're actually harming your body.Hugs,geekling <geeklingoleander soup Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 12:10:04 PM Re: Healthy person taking oleander? Thank you very much for your kindness and interest, . BTW, I got a horrifying article from a concerned person regarding store bought veggie burgers, which most folks think of as healthy for them. It seems not. MANY of the supposedly ORGANIC companies use Hexane in their process. This is a chemical which can greatly damage a liver and other tender parts of a body even if that body is not compromised. I'n including a link to the Cornucopia Institute pdf as they are the trusted source of the investigative information. On page 23, to save everybody time, are the truly organic suppliers of a halfway decent veggie burger. To the bottom of the pdf are the bad guys and a sample email so customers who wish can send a disparaging note to those companies which purposefully endeavor to fool the public into thinking their products are safe while only being after protecting their own corporate bottom line. http://www.cornucop ia.org/soysurvey /OrganicSoyRepor t/behindthebean_ color_final. pdf If the link does not work, please copy paste, if you've interest. Blessings Kathy K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 Hi Tony, Thank you Tony very much, yes it is a daily fight with much vigilance. I think so too, I'm hoping it is the die-off that is causing the increase. The Biotoxin test I took reflected major fungus so I went with the Dyflucan, for now I need all arsenals. I will try the CS again, I often save it for Weaver I give him a good amount with both of us taking it we go through it like water, it is so pricey! He does so well with it. He has never had an infection like most diabetic dogs get. Tammatha - TonyI oleander soup Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:10 PM Re: Healthy person taking oleander? Tammatha - As you know, markers can go up and down for various reasons. It could possibly be die off that is causing more of the cancer toxins to be released. I surely do hope you are continuing to use oleander and doing all the healthy things you have done in the past. Colloidal silver might also help with the issue that Dyflucan is prescribed for. Several reports also indicate that the combination of colloidal silver and oleander is even more effective than oleander alone. Taxol? That is indeed an oldie. And even more reason to keep on the oleander! Keep up the good fight! oleander soup , "Tammatha Brown" <tammathabrown wrote:>> Hi Tony,> No it wasn't a new one. I was on one of the oldies that has been around awhile Taxol. It did take awhile to completely fall out, my hair sure put up a fight to stay.... but unfortunately the drug won out. My hair though has grown back in fantastically. I'm lovin my new do!> > Thank you... yes, I'm doing well I'm happy to say. My tumor markers were elevated a bit last week though but I have to say I feel better now than I did when they were lower. Of course the oncologist is overly concerned. They pin so much on the markers. Now he wants me to have a bone scan. My intergrative MD put me on Dyflucan. I tested positive for molds so I'm wondering if the die-off could of caused the rise in markers...maybe? Whatcha think Tony?> > Thank you~ Tammatha> - >> oleander soup > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:25 PM> Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > > > > Tammatha -> > What chemo drug(s) did you take? Are they relatively new? The report about it helping avoid or at least lessen hair loss with the exception of Cisplatin was issued a few years ago by the makers of Anvirzel, who have always given me very good information. It could be that your chemo drug(s) either came along later than that report or else they had no experience with patients who took your drug(s).> > Perhaps we should revise that general statement a bit, such as saying "in most instances" and "with Cisplatin being a notable exception".> > I bet that oleander does help the hair grow back in thicker and faster. One of the beneficial side effects reported has been thicker and faster growing hair and nails.> > I hope you are doing well, my friend, and thanks for the input.> > Tony> oleander soup , "Tammatha Brown" tammathabrown@ wrote:> >> > I must say , it may have helped some people keep their hair but it didn't help keep mine and I wasn't on Cisplatin for chemo. Just so everyone is aware that it doesn't always help regardless of Cisplatin or not.> > > > Tammatha> > - > > May > > oleander soup > > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:29 PM> > Re: Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > > > > > > > > > LOL! You are too sweet. But Tony very often comes to the rescue first. > > > > I am so glad that you have been reading all the articles and that you have already started supplementing revamped her diet. You are a wonderful big sister. As for the toxicity issue. Actually, the only toxins that your sister is getting is from the chemo itself. Not only that, but chemo and radiation severely compromise an already weakened immune system and it through a weakened immune system that cancer gains a foothold on the body. It is very important for someone with cancer to take oleander and follow the protocol, but it is crucial if a person opts for chemo and/or radiation. They need all the help they can get in strengthening their immune system. > > > > It is possible that chemo is playing a part in shrinking the tumor. However, the thing with chemo is that it very rarely gets all the cancer cells and ta few cells, sometimes the most aggressive ones, remain in the body. That is why even though remission is attained, the cancer usually returns with a vengeance and stronger chemo is needed. In these instances, chemo will not get rid of the cancer. It may push it back for a time, but the cancer will always return, and eventually win. By the way, oleander very often prevents hair loss while taking chemo. The only time that it does not is when the drug used is Cisplatin.> > > > Tell me, does your sister suffer from an anxiety disorder? If so, I can help you treat it naturally and effectively, but since this is off topic, I would be very happy to help you outside the forum. Just send me an email. > > > > Oleander is a wonderful preventative when it comes to cancer. The thing is, that one must adapt a healthy lifestyle while taking oleander. There is no "magic pill." One must take into account their entire lifestyle.> > > > My Best,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ms. M. bohogirl75@> > oleander soup > > Tue, May 4, 2010 6:44:15 PM> > Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > > > > > Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for always being one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies > > > > I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all the articles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium), and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other 'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle!> > I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, bless her soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, and does ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. She just struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative' person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as I suggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. So I prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are big sisters for? ;-)> > > > Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating her cancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it as a regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - mom had breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (no genetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Plus I'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an option for me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my life taking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it does rear its ugly head ;-)> > > > Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (they said it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps), and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantly smaller (and I agree) ... too early for chemo to have done anything!> > > > > > > > oleander soup, May <luellamay129@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Hi Marijana,> > > > > > Welcome to the group. > > > > > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens to eliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we strongly recommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. She should also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that the liver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander.> > > > > > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and it actually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Some people, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they may have side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects are usually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is important to increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10 capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100% oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing if you wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsules a day should be sufficient for a healthy person.> > > > > > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read the Oleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below:> > > > > > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm> > > > > > My Best,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > Marijana bohogirl75@ ..> > > oleander soup> > > Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM> > > Healthy person taking oleander?> > > > > > > > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-)> > > My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. > > > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc.> > > I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. > > > > > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. > > > > > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. > > > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one.> > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 Tony, What was the discount code again on the CS is it LR001, I can't remember for sure? I'm very low. Thank you~ Tammatha - TonyI oleander soup Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:25 PM Re: Healthy person taking oleander? Tammatha - What chemo drug(s) did you take? Are they relatively new? The report about it helping avoid or at least lessen hair loss with the exception of Cisplatin was issued a few years ago by the makers of Anvirzel, who have always given me very good information. It could be that your chemo drug(s) either came along later than that report or else they had no experience with patients who took your drug(s). Perhaps we should revise that general statement a bit, such as saying "in most instances" and "with Cisplatin being a notable exception". I bet that oleander does help the hair grow back in thicker and faster. One of the beneficial side effects reported has been thicker and faster growing hair and nails. I hope you are doing well, my friend, and thanks for the input. Tonyoleander soup , "Tammatha Brown" <tammathabrown wrote:>> I must say , it may have helped some people keep their hair but it didn't help keep mine and I wasn't on Cisplatin for chemo. Just so everyone is aware that it doesn't always help regardless of Cisplatin or not.> > Tammatha> - > May > oleander soup > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:29 PM> Re: Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > > > > LOL! You are too sweet. But Tony very often comes to the rescue first. > > I am so glad that you have been reading all the articles and that you have already started supplementing revamped her diet. You are a wonderful big sister. As for the toxicity issue. Actually, the only toxins that your sister is getting is from the chemo itself. Not only that, but chemo and radiation severely compromise an already weakened immune system and it through a weakened immune system that cancer gains a foothold on the body. It is very important for someone with cancer to take oleander and follow the protocol, but it is crucial if a person opts for chemo and/or radiation. They need all the help they can get in strengthening their immune system. > > It is possible that chemo is playing a part in shrinking the tumor. However, the thing with chemo is that it very rarely gets all the cancer cells and ta few cells, sometimes the most aggressive ones, remain in the body. That is why even though remission is attained, the cancer usually returns with a vengeance and stronger chemo is needed. In these instances, chemo will not get rid of the cancer. It may push it back for a time, but the cancer will always return, and eventually win. By the way, oleander very often prevents hair loss while taking chemo. The only time that it does not is when the drug used is Cisplatin.> > Tell me, does your sister suffer from an anxiety disorder? If so, I can help you treat it naturally and effectively, but since this is off topic, I would be very happy to help you outside the forum. Just send me an email. > > Oleander is a wonderful preventative when it comes to cancer. The thing is, that one must adapt a healthy lifestyle while taking oleander. There is no "magic pill." One must take into account their entire lifestyle.> > My Best,> > > > > > > > Ms. M. bohogirl75 oleander soup > Tue, May 4, 2010 6:44:15 PM> Re: Healthy person taking oleander?> > > Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for always being one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies > > I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all the articles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium), and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other 'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle!> I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, bless her soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, and does ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. She just struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative' person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as I suggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. So I prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are big sisters for? ;-)> > Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating her cancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it as a regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - mom had breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (no genetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Plus I'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an option for me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my life taking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it does rear its ugly head ;-)> > Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (they said it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps), and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantly smaller (and I agree) ... too early for chemo to have done anything!> > > > oleander soup, May <luellamay129@ ...> wrote:> >> > Hi Marijana,> > > > Welcome to the group. > > > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens to eliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we strongly recommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. She should also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that the liver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander.> > > > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and it actually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Some people, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they may have side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects are usually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is important to increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10 capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100% oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing if you wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsules a day should be sufficient for a healthy person.> > > > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read the Oleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below:> > > > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm> > > > My Best,> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Marijana bohogirl75@ ..> > oleander soup> > Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM> > Healthy person taking oleander?> > > > > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-)> > My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. > > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc.> > I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. > > > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. > > > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. > > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one.> > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer!> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2010 Report Share Posted May 9, 2010 You probably know this, but bentonite clay and coconut oil are very good against fungus. I know what you mean about colloidal silver - I keep anywhere from 1 to 10 gallons on hand. And yes, the discount code is LR001 (good for almost all items provided they are not on sale at the time). LR stands for Laurel Rose, by the way - an indication that Ben created the discount code especially for this group, since Laurel Rose (or Rose Laurel) is another name for . . . .. oleander. Did you know that you can get the Silver Bullet home silver generator with tester and timer for a little over $100 when you use the discount code? When you order it you also get a lifetime buy-one get one free offer on the 8 ounce bottles of the really good stuff (Advanced Colloidal Silver). The most economical way to buy Advanced Colloidal Silver is to wait until they have a 25% off sale and buy either a gallon or 5 gallon container of it. The 5 gallon container does cost a few coins, but pays off in the long run. So long as you never let it get too cold it will last and last too. oleander soup , " Tammatha Brown " <tammathabrown wrote: > > Hi Tony, > Thank you Tony very much, yes it is a daily fight with much vigilance. I think so too, I'm hoping it is the die-off that is causing the increase. The Biotoxin test I took reflected major fungus so I went with the Dyflucan, for now I need all arsenals. I will try the CS again, I often save it for Weaver I give him a good amount with both of us taking it we go through it like water, it is so pricey! He does so well with it. He has never had an infection like most diabetic dogs get. > > Tammatha > - > TonyI > oleander soup > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:10 PM > Re: Healthy person taking oleander? > > > > > Tammatha - > > As you know, markers can go up and down for various reasons. It could possibly be die off that is causing more of the cancer toxins to be released. > > I surely do hope you are continuing to use oleander and doing all the healthy things you have done in the past. > > Colloidal silver might also help with the issue that Dyflucan is prescribed for. Several reports also indicate that the combination of colloidal silver and oleander is even more effective than oleander alone. > > Taxol? That is indeed an oldie. And even more reason to keep on the oleander! > > Keep up the good fight! > > > > > oleander soup , " Tammatha Brown " tammathabrown@ wrote: > > > > Hi Tony, > > No it wasn't a new one. I was on one of the oldies that has been around awhile Taxol. It did take awhile to completely fall out, my hair sure put up a fight to stay.... but unfortunately the drug won out. My hair though has grown back in fantastically. I'm lovin my new do! > > > > Thank you... yes, I'm doing well I'm happy to say. My tumor markers were elevated a bit last week though but I have to say I feel better now than I did when they were lower. Of course the oncologist is overly concerned. They pin so much on the markers. Now he wants me to have a bone scan. My intergrative MD put me on Dyflucan. I tested positive for molds so I'm wondering if the die-off could of caused the rise in markers...maybe? Whatcha think Tony? > > > > Thank you~ Tammatha > > - > > TonyI > > oleander soup > > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:25 PM > > Re: Healthy person taking oleander? > > > > > > > > > > Tammatha - > > > > What chemo drug(s) did you take? Are they relatively new? The report about it helping avoid or at least lessen hair loss with the exception of Cisplatin was issued a few years ago by the makers of Anvirzel, who have always given me very good information. It could be that your chemo drug(s) either came along later than that report or else they had no experience with patients who took your drug(s). > > > > Perhaps we should revise that general statement a bit, such as saying " in most instances " and " with Cisplatin being a notable exception " . > > > > I bet that oleander does help the hair grow back in thicker and faster. One of the beneficial side effects reported has been thicker and faster growing hair and nails. > > > > I hope you are doing well, my friend, and thanks for the input. > > > > > > oleander soup , " Tammatha Brown " tammathabrown@ wrote: > > > > > > I must say , it may have helped some people keep their hair but it didn't help keep mine and I wasn't on Cisplatin for chemo. Just so everyone is aware that it doesn't always help regardless of Cisplatin or not. > > > > > > Tammatha > > > - > > > May > > > oleander soup > > > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:29 PM > > > Re: Re: Healthy person taking oleander? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! You are too sweet. But Tony very often comes to the rescue first. > > > > > > I am so glad that you have been reading all the articles and that you have already started supplementing revamped her diet. You are a wonderful big sister. As for the toxicity issue. Actually, the only toxins that your sister is getting is from the chemo itself. Not only that, but chemo and radiation severely compromise an already weakened immune system and it through a weakened immune system that cancer gains a foothold on the body. It is very important for someone with cancer to take oleander and follow the protocol, but it is crucial if a person opts for chemo and/or radiation. They need all the help they can get in strengthening their immune system. > > > > > > It is possible that chemo is playing a part in shrinking the tumor. However, the thing with chemo is that it very rarely gets all the cancer cells and ta few cells, sometimes the most aggressive ones, remain in the body. That is why even though remission is attained, the cancer usually returns with a vengeance and stronger chemo is needed. In these instances, chemo will not get rid of the cancer. It may push it back for a time, but the cancer will always return, and eventually win. By the way, oleander very often prevents hair loss while taking chemo. The only time that it does not is when the drug used is Cisplatin. > > > > > > Tell me, does your sister suffer from an anxiety disorder? If so, I can help you treat it naturally and effectively, but since this is off topic, I would be very happy to help you outside the forum. Just send me an email. > > > > > > Oleander is a wonderful preventative when it comes to cancer. The thing is, that one must adapt a healthy lifestyle while taking oleander. There is no " magic pill. " One must take into account their entire lifestyle. > > > > > > My Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------\ ------ > > > Ms. M. bohogirl75@ > > > oleander soup > > > Tue, May 4, 2010 6:44:15 PM > > > Re: Healthy person taking oleander? > > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for always being one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies > > > > > > I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all the articles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium), and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other 'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle! > > > I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, bless her soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, and does ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. She just struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative' person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as I suggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. So I prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are big sisters for? ;-) > > > > > > Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating her cancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it as a regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - mom had breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (no genetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Plus I'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an option for me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my life taking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it does rear its ugly head ;-) > > > > > > Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (they said it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps), and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantly smaller (and I agree) ... too early for chemo to have done anything! > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup, May <luellamay129@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Marijana, > > > > > > > > Welcome to the group. > > > > > > > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens to eliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we strongly recommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. She should also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that the liver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander. > > > > > > > > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and it actually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Some people, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they may have side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects are usually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is important to increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10 capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100% oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing if you wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsules a day should be sufficient for a healthy person. > > > > > > > > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read the Oleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below: > > > > > > > > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm > > > > > > > > My Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Marijana bohogirl75@ .. > > > > oleander soup > > > > Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM > > > > Healthy person taking oleander? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-) > > > > My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. > > > > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc. > > > > I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. > > > > > > > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. > > > > > > > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. > > > > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one. > > > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 How can you test for fungus?Thanks, RobynTonyI oleander soup Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 10:13:14 AM Re: Healthy person taking oleander? You probably know this, but bentonite clay and coconut oil are very good against fungus. I know what you mean about colloidal silver - I keep anywhere from 1 to 10 gallons on hand. And yes, the discount code is LR001 (good for almost all items provided they are not on sale at the time). LR stands for Laurel Rose, by the way - an indication that Ben created the discount code especially for this group, since Laurel Rose (or Rose Laurel) is another name for . . . .. oleander. Did you know that you can get the Silver Bullet home silver generator with tester and timer for a little over $100 when you use the discount code? When you order it you also get a lifetime buy-one get one free offer on the 8 ounce bottles of the really good stuff (Advanced Colloidal Silver). The most economical way to buy Advanced Colloidal Silver is to wait until they have a 25% off sale and buy either a gallon or 5 gallon container of it. The 5 gallon container does cost a few coins, but pays off in the long run. So long as you never let it get too cold it will last and last too. oleander soup, "Tammatha Brown" <tammathabrown@ ...> wrote: > > Hi Tony, > Thank you Tony very much, yes it is a daily fight with much vigilance. I think so too, I'm hoping it is the die-off that is causing the increase. The Biotoxin test I took reflected major fungus so I went with the Dyflucan, for now I need all arsenals. I will try the CS again, I often save it for Weaver I give him a good amount with both of us taking it we go through it like water, it is so pricey! He does so well with it. He has never had an infection like most diabetic dogs get. > > Tammatha > - > TonyI > oleander soup > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:10 PM > Re: Healthy person taking oleander? > > > > > Tammatha - > > As you know, markers can go up and down for various reasons. It could possibly be die off that is causing more of the cancer toxins to be released. > > I surely do hope you are continuing to use oleander and doing all the healthy things you have done in the past. > > Colloidal silver might also help with the issue that Dyflucan is prescribed for. Several reports also indicate that the combination of colloidal silver and oleander is even more effective than oleander alone. > > Taxol? That is indeed an oldie. And even more reason to keep on the oleander! > > Keep up the good fight! > > > > > oleander soup, "Tammatha Brown" tammathabrown@ wrote: > > > > Hi Tony, > > No it wasn't a new one. I was on one of the oldies that has been around awhile Taxol. It did take awhile to completely fall out, my hair sure put up a fight to stay.... but unfortunately the drug won out. My hair though has grown back in fantastically. I'm lovin my new do! > > > > Thank you... yes, I'm doing well I'm happy to say. My tumor markers were elevated a bit last week though but I have to say I feel better now than I did when they were lower. Of course the oncologist is overly concerned. They pin so much on the markers. Now he wants me to have a bone scan. My intergrative MD put me on Dyflucan. I tested positive for molds so I'm wondering if the die-off could of caused the rise in markers...maybe? Whatcha think Tony? > > > > Thank you~ Tammatha > > - > > TonyI > > oleander soup > > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 9:25 PM > > Re: Healthy person taking oleander? > > > > > > > > > > Tammatha - > > > > What chemo drug(s) did you take? Are they relatively new? The report about it helping avoid or at least lessen hair loss with the exception of Cisplatin was issued a few years ago by the makers of Anvirzel, who have always given me very good information. It could be that your chemo drug(s) either came along later than that report or else they had no experience with patients who took your drug(s). > > > > Perhaps we should revise that general statement a bit, such as saying "in most instances" and "with Cisplatin being a notable exception". > > > > I bet that oleander does help the hair grow back in thicker and faster. One of the beneficial side effects reported has been thicker and faster growing hair and nails. > > > > I hope you are doing well, my friend, and thanks for the input. > > > > > > oleander soup, "Tammatha Brown" tammathabrown@ wrote: > > > > > > I must say , it may have helped some people keep their hair but it didn't help keep mine and I wasn't on Cisplatin for chemo. Just so everyone is aware that it doesn't always help regardless of Cisplatin or not. > > > > > > Tammatha > > > - > > > May > > > oleander soup > > > Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:29 PM > > > Re: Re: Healthy person taking oleander? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! You are too sweet. But Tony very often comes to the rescue first. > > > > > > I am so glad that you have been reading all the articles and that you have already started supplementing revamped her diet. You are a wonderful big sister. As for the toxicity issue. Actually, the only toxins that your sister is getting is from the chemo itself. Not only that, but chemo and radiation severely compromise an already weakened immune system and it through a weakened immune system that cancer gains a foothold on the body. It is very important for someone with cancer to take oleander and follow the protocol, but it is crucial if a person opts for chemo and/or radiation. They need all the help they can get in strengthening their immune system. > > > > > > It is possible that chemo is playing a part in shrinking the tumor. However, the thing with chemo is that it very rarely gets all the cancer cells and ta few cells, sometimes the most aggressive ones, remain in the body. That is why even though remission is attained, the cancer usually returns with a vengeance and stronger chemo is needed. In these instances, chemo will not get rid of the cancer. It may push it back for a time, but the cancer will always return, and eventually win. By the way, oleander very often prevents hair loss while taking chemo. The only time that it does not is when the drug used is Cisplatin. > > > > > > Tell me, does your sister suffer from an anxiety disorder? If so, I can help you treat it naturally and effectively, but since this is off topic, I would be very happy to help you outside the forum. Just send me an email. > > > > > > Oleander is a wonderful preventative when it comes to cancer. The thing is, that one must adapt a healthy lifestyle while taking oleander. There is no "magic pill." One must take into account their entire lifestyle. > > > > > > My Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -\ ------ > > > Ms. M. bohogirl75@ > > > oleander soup > > > Tue, May 4, 2010 6:44:15 PM > > > Re: Healthy person taking oleander? > > > > > > > > > Thank you so much for your response - and thank you for always being one of - actually the first to come to the rescue with us newbies > > > > > > I should have mentioned I've gone almost blind reading all the articles, and that we're supplementing as recommended (NAC, selenium), and the diet is already very clean, plus Budwig and several other 'goodies'. We're attacking this from every angle! > > > I will probably not take the full dose myself - my sister, bless her soul, doesn't like the fact I'm being a lab rat for her battle, and does ask me to stop testing toxicity on myself within a day or two. She just struggles with anxiety and is, unlike me, not an 'alternative' person (I think that will change after all this ), so as soon as I suggest something 'mainstream' deems toxic, she gets really nervous. So I prove its harmlessness on myself to relax her - hey, what are big sisters for? ;-) > > > > > > Anyhow, all of my reading has been so focused on beating her cancer, I've skipped over anything regarding healthy people using it as a regular, long term supplement, which is something I'd like to do - mom had breast cancer as well, and even though sis is BRCA negative (no genetic mutation), it doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Plus I'm a smoker (I know, I know). And, mainstream medicine is not an option for me. I dunno, call me crazy, but I'd rather spend the rest of my life taking lesser doses of preventative stuff than fighting it if it does rear its ugly head ;-) > > > > > > Btw, sister still has all her hair, day 11 after first chemo (they said it would take about 10 days for it to start falling out in clumps), and she is positive positive positive that her lump is significantly smaller (and I agree) ... too early for chemo to have done anything! > > > > > > > > > > > > oleander soup, May <luellamay129@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Marijana, > > > > > > > > Welcome to the group. > > > > > > > > First of all, taking oleander while undergoing chemo, lessens to eliminates its side effects. Besides taking oleander, we strongly recommend that she follow the entire Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol. She should also do the liver cleanse suggested on the Protocol, so that the liver is not overwhelmed with toxins when she starts to take oleander. > > > > > > > > A healthy person most certainly can take oleander and it actually is effective in preventing cancer in the first place. Some people, whether healthy or not, need to adapt to oleander and they may have side effects when first starting to take it. The side effects are usually diarrhea and stomach distress. For this reason, it is important to increase the dosage gradually. Your sister should work up to 10 capsules of Sutherlandia OPC and then when she starts taking the 100% oleander caps reduce to 8. I'm sure that you could do the same thing if you wanted, but truly, I really don't think it's necessary. Two capsules a day should be sufficient for a healthy person. > > > > > > > > In order to familiarize yourself with oleander, you can read the Oleander Series of Articles at the top right of the link below: > > > > > > > > http://www.tbyil. com/articles. htm > > > > > > > > My Best, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Marijana bohogirl75@ .. > > > > oleander soup > > > > Tue, May 4, 2010 10:24:14 AM > > > > Healthy person taking oleander? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, and thank you for such a wonderful venue to learn from and share :-) > > > > My first post here - I am caring for my sister who was diagnosed with Stage II breast cancer a month ago, at the age of 33. Although she's following conventional treatment (4 rounds of chemo to shrink the lump, then will come lumpectomy, more chemo and radiation), she has agreed to let me treat her alternatively as well. My hope is that by the time surgery rolls around, there won't be much to 'surgery-out' , and that she will be able to forgo second round of chemo and radiation. > > > > So far, so good - she herself has noticed that tumor is shrinking, and it can't be chemo - she's had only one session (next one coming this friday). I have her on Budwig FOCC, AHCC, Beta Glucans, IP-6, etc. > > > > I didn't know about oleander until I started researching ways to help her through chemo, mainly with hair loss. > > > > > > > > Anyhow, because she has never dabbled into natural health/alternative health, and is naturally a fairly anxious person, I am 'testing' everything she's taking on myself, starting a day before her. I figure, I weigh about 20 pounds less than her, and starting day before, if anything 'toxic' were to happen, it'd happen to me first. > > > > > > > > With everything else we're taking, I'm quite familiar and comfortable; however, I know so little of oleander and it's supplemental use. My question is, can oleander be taken safely by a healthy person, and what the maximum safe dosage would be? I weigh about 120 pounds, and I'm generally in good health. > > > > Oh, we're taking Sutherlandia OPC (250/66), which I now understand is not the ideal cancer supplement, but will have to do until I get the other one. > > > > Thanks in advance for any help you can offer! > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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