is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

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Tony and ,

 

Please , I need your advise. My sister diagnosed on january 2009 with her2+

breast cancer stage 3A, has now her platelets count at 27.000 wich is very low.

She had chemo/radio and since january 2010 she's on herceptin with very strong

side effects - all of them.

 

Her doctor suspects a bone metastasis and asked to stop all natural supplements.

 

She takes oleander capsules, iodine, omega-3 and cod liver oil.

 

Do you think the cause could be just the herceptin? Should she change her

protocol and renounce at some of the things above?

 

Thank you very much.

 

Brindusa

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I have breast cancer bone mets and would not stop supplements. I am not getting chemo or rad. She must be HER2 positive to be taking Herceptin? If she's not, I'm certain it is not effective. Is her doctor going to try and diagnose the bone mets so he/she can start treating her with biphosphonates?LouiseSent wirelessly from my BlackBerry device on the Bell network.Envoyé sans fil par mon terminal mobile BlackBerry sur le réseau de Bell. "brindusa" <brindusasburleaThu, 29 Apr 2010 03:11:47 -0000<oleander soup > is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ? Tony and ,Please , I need your advise. My sister diagnosed on january 2009 with her2+ breast cancer stage 3A, has now her platelets count at 27.000 wich is very low. She had chemo/radio and since january 2010 she's on herceptin with very strong side effects - all of them.Her doctor suspects a bone metastasis and asked to stop all natural supplements.She takes oleander capsules, iodine, omega-3 and cod liver oil.Do you think the cause could be just the herceptin? Should she change her protocol and renounce at some of the things above?Thank you very much.Brindusa

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Figures that a doctor would advise to stop all supplements and continue with mainstream methods. The platelets are low because of the chemo and radiation.I would in no way renounce any supplements or any part of the protocol. In fact, if she is not doing all of the protocol, I would implement all of it in full force and effect. If I were to renounce anything, it would be the herceptin.How much oleander is she taking? If she is taking Sutherlandia OPC, it needs to be 10 capsules a day, and if she is taking Rose Laurel OPC Plus she needs to take 8 capsules a day. These supplements, together with the protocol are not what is hurting her. It looks like the chemo and radiation have weakened her body and now is the time to do all you can naturally.

Mainstream medicine is not going to work. My best to you Brindusa,brindusa <brindusasburleaoleander soup Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 10:11:47 PM is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

 

 

Tony and ,

 

Please , I need your advise. My sister diagnosed on january 2009 with her2+ breast cancer stage 3A, has now her platelets count at 27.000 wich is very low. She had chemo/radio and since january 2010 she's on herceptin with very strong side effects - all of them.

 

Her doctor suspects a bone metastasis and asked to stop all natural supplements.

 

She takes oleander capsules, iodine, omega-3 and cod liver oil.

 

Do you think the cause could be just the herceptin? Should she change her protocol and renounce at some of the things above?

 

Thank you very much.

 

Brindusa

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Apologies for butting in. I am certainly no expert but I do know a little bit

about food.

 

Raisins are an iron rich food which will help her to build up platelets. I know

it is very difficult to work up an appetite when you are sick and raisins are

too hard and chewy.

 

Take 1/2 cup of raisins and soak them overnight in purified water. They plump up

and become softer which makes them easier to get down and helps just a little

with hydration.

 

Drain the raisins but reserve the soak water in the morning. The raisins will be

easy to chew as they are so soft and still retain their nutritional power to

help her body to make more blood cells.

 

The soak water is very sweet and it is possible your sister will enjoy that as

well.

 

The sugars in fruit are different, somehow, than the sugars in cookies and

cakes. Melons will help her keep hydrated as well. Watermelon is awesome and,

when it comes into season, so is canteloupe.

 

Lemons are swell but I think the acid will be too abrasive for her current

condition. Figs are nice but the seeds can hurt tender gums.

 

Tell her not to worry and don't you either. Radiation does something to your

bones. You've enough on your plate of worries as it is. When I had cancer

treatment, all, save one, of my fillings fell out. New cavities arose. I managed

to break my big right toe. Joint pains arose where I did not even know I had

joints.

 

Do you know how to wilt a salad so your sister can get more greens down?

 

Tony and are the knowledgeable folks about plant medicine. All I'm

suggesting is that you make sure your sister keeps eating. She needs strength

and food is fuel.

 

Best of luck to you both.

 

Blessings,

 

Kathy K

 

 

 

oleander soup , " brindusa " <brindusasburlea wrote:

>

> Tony and ,

>

> Please , I need your advise. My sister diagnosed on january 2009 with her2+

breast cancer stage 3A, has now her platelets count at 27.000 wich is very low.

She had chemo/radio and since january 2010 she's on herceptin with very strong

side effects - all of them.

>

> Her doctor suspects a bone metastasis and asked to stop all natural

supplements.

>

> She takes oleander capsules, iodine, omega-3 and cod liver oil.

>

> Do you think the cause could be just the herceptin? Should she change her

protocol and renounce at some of the things above?

>

> Thank you very much.

>

> Brindusa

>

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Thank you, .

 

She's taking Rose Laurel OPC Plus 6 capsules a day. We"ll definitely stop the herceptin and implement all of the protocol. The only problem is that she doesnt have much discipline.

 

Thanks again for your advise.

 

Brindusa

 

oleander soup From: luellamay129Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:39:46 -0700Re: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

 

 

Figures that a doctor would advise to stop all supplements and continue with mainstream methods. The platelets are low because of the chemo and radiation.I would in no way renounce any supplements or any part of the protocol. In fact, if she is not doing all of the protocol, I would implement all of it in full force and effect. If I were to renounce anything, it would be the herceptin.How much oleander is she taking? If she is taking Sutherlandia OPC, it needs to be 10 capsules a day, and if she is taking Rose Laurel OPC Plus she needs to take 8 capsules a day. These supplements, together with the protocol are not what is hurting her. It looks like the chemo and radiation have weakened her body and now is the time to do all you can naturally. Mainstream medicine is not going to work. My best to you Brindusa,

 

 

 

 

brindusa <brindusasburlea (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>oleander soup Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 10:11:47 PM is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

Tony and ,Please , I need your advise. My sister diagnosed on january 2009 with her2+ breast cancer stage 3A, has now her platelets count at 27.000 wich is very low. She had chemo/radio and since january 2010 she's on herceptin with very strong side effects - all of them.Her doctor suspects a bone metastasis and asked to stop all natural supplements.She takes oleander capsules, iodine, omega-3 and cod liver oil.Do you think the cause could be just the herceptin? Should she change her protocol and renounce at some of the things above?Thank you very much.Brindusa

 

 

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Thank you, Kathy for your advise. It's very appreciated and you gave me hope.

 

Could you, please, explain me how to to wilt a salad to get more greens down?

 

thanks again for your time and effort.

 

Brindusa

 

oleander soup From: geeklingDate: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:21:06 +0000 Re: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

 

 

Apologies for butting in. I am certainly no expert but I do know a little bit about food.Raisins are an iron rich food which will help her to build up platelets. I know it is very difficult to work up an appetite when you are sick and raisins are too hard and chewy.Take 1/2 cup of raisins and soak them overnight in purified water. They plump up and become softer which makes them easier to get down and helps just a little with hydration.Drain the raisins but reserve the soak water in the morning. The raisins will be easy to chew as they are so soft and still retain their nutritional power to help her body to make more blood cells.The soak water is very sweet and it is possible your sister will enjoy that as well.The sugars in fruit are different, somehow, than the sugars in cookies and cakes. Melons will help her keep hydrated as well. Watermelon is awesome and, when it comes into season, so is canteloupe.Lemons are swell but I think the acid will be too abrasive for her current condition. Figs are nice but the seeds can hurt tender gums.Tell her not to worry and don't you either. Radiation does something to your bones. You've enough on your plate of worries as it is. When I had cancer treatment, all, save one, of my fillings fell out. New cavities arose. I managed to break my big right toe. Joint pains arose where I did not even know I had joints.Do you know how to wilt a salad so your sister can get more greens down?Tony and are the knowledgeable folks about plant medicine. All I'm suggesting is that you make sure your sister keeps eating. She needs strength and food is fuel.Best of luck to you both.Blessings, Kathy Koleander soup , "brindusa" <brindusasburlea wrote:>> Tony and ,> > Please , I need your advise. My sister diagnosed on january 2009 with her2+ breast cancer stage 3A, has now her platelets count at 27.000 wich is very low. She had chemo/radio and since january 2010 she's on herceptin with very strong side effects - all of them.> > Her doctor suspects a bone metastasis and asked to stop all natural supplements.> > She takes oleander capsules, iodine, omega-3 and cod liver oil.> > Do you think the cause could be just the herceptin? Should she change her protocol and renounce at some of the things above?> > Thank you very much.> > Brindusa>

 

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Hello Louise,

 

Yes, she's her2+. Her doctor wants to do all the tests (scans, biopsy) to see is she has bone mets. Thank you.

Brindusa

 

oleander soup From: missnoname37Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 03:20:19 +0000Re: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

 

 

I have breast cancer bone mets and would not stop supplements. I am not getting chemo or rad. She must be HER2 positive to be taking Herceptin? If she's not, I'm certain it is not effective. Is her doctor going to try and diagnose the bone mets so he/she can start treating her with biphosphonates?Louise

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is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

Tony and ,Please , I need your advise. My sister diagnosed on january 2009 with her2+ breast cancer stage 3A, has now her platelets count at 27.000 wich is very low. She had chemo/radio and since january 2010 she's on herceptin with very strong side effects - all of them.Her doctor suspects a bone metastasis and asked to stop all natural supplements.She takes oleander capsules, iodine, omega-3 and cod liver oil.Do you think the cause could be just the herceptin? Should she change her protocol and renounce at some of the things above?Thank you very much.Brindusa

 

 

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Hi Louise,

I too have breast cancer and mets to the bone. Diagnosed with the bone mets last June. I'm doing the biphosphonates (Aredia) every six weeks.

 

Tammatha

 

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Re: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

I have breast cancer bone mets and would not stop supplements. I am not getting chemo or rad. She must be HER2 positive to be taking Herceptin? If she's not, I'm certain it is not effective. Is her doctor going to try and diagnose the bone mets so he/she can start treating her with biphosphonates?Louise

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"brindusa" <brindusasburlea (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

Thu, 29 Apr 2010 03:11:47 -0000

<oleander soup >

is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

Tony and ,Please , I need your advise. My sister diagnosed on january 2009 with her2+ breast cancer stage 3A, has now her platelets count at 27.000 wich is very low. She had chemo/radio and since january 2010 she's on herceptin with very strong side effects - all of them.Her doctor suspects a bone metastasis and asked to stop all natural supplements.She takes oleander capsules, iodine, omega-3 and cod liver oil.Do you think the cause could be just the herceptin? Should she change her protocol and renounce at some of the things above?Thank you very much.Brindusa

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Discipline is very important Brindusa. Maybe you can help her with that?My Best,Brindusa Sburlea <brindusasburleaoleander soup Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 6:50:38 AMRE: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3

?

 

 

 

Thank you, .

 

She's taking Rose Laurel OPC Plus 6 capsules a day. We"ll definitely stop the herceptin and implement all of the protocol. The only problem is that she doesnt have much discipline.

 

Thanks again for your advise.

 

Brindusa

 

oleander soupluellamay129@ Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:39:46 -0700Re: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

 

 

Figures that a doctor would advise to stop all supplements and continue with mainstream methods. The platelets are low because of the chemo and radiation.I would in no way renounce any supplements or any part of the protocol. In fact, if she is not doing all of the protocol, I would implement all of it in full force and effect. If I were to renounce anything, it would be the herceptin.How much oleander is she taking? If she is taking Sutherlandia OPC, it needs to be 10 capsules a day, and if she is taking Rose Laurel OPC Plus she needs to take 8 capsules a day. These supplements, together with the protocol are not what is hurting her. It looks like the chemo and radiation have weakened her body and now is the time to do all you can naturally. Mainstream medicine is not going to work. My best to you

Brindusa,

 

 

 

 

brindusa <brindusasburlea@ hotmail.com>oleander soupWed, April 28, 2010 10:11:47 PM is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

Tony and ,Please , I need your advise. My sister diagnosed on january 2009 with her2+ breast cancer stage 3A, has now her platelets count at 27.000 wich is very low. She had chemo/radio and since january 2010 she's on herceptin with very strong side effects - all of them.Her doctor suspects a bone metastasis and asked to stop all natural supplements.She takes oleander capsules, iodine, omega-3 and cod liver oil.Do you think the cause could be just the herceptin? Should she change her protocol and renounce at some of the things above?Thank you very much.Brindusa

 

 

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Dear ,

 

I've been struggling to convince her for almost one year and a half about that but with very little succes. At least, she accepted to take oleander and other natural supplements in the protocol, in the same time with doing the conventional treatment. But i cannot say she was very strict about her diet, sleep , staying in sun or with handling stress and emotions in her life and all that stuff.

 

Our only hope now is that there are no bone mets and all her feeling sick and low blood platelets are dues to herceptin. And i think that she's aware now of the importance of discipline.

 

Thanks again for your concern.

 

Brindusa

 

oleander soup From: luellamay129Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 16:25:01 -0700Re: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

 

 

Discipline is very important Brindusa. Maybe you can help her with that?My Best,

 

 

 

 

Brindusa Sburlea <brindusasburlea (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>oleander soup Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 6:50:38 AMRE: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

Thank you, . She's taking Rose Laurel OPC Plus 6 capsules a day. We"ll definitely stop the herceptin and implement all of the protocol. The only problem is that she doesnt have much discipline. Thanks again for your advise. Brindusa

 

oleander soupluellamay129@ Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:39:46 -0700Re: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

 

 

Figures that a doctor would advise to stop all supplements and continue with mainstream methods. The platelets are low because of the chemo and radiation.I would in no way renounce any supplements or any part of the protocol. In fact, if she is not doing all of the protocol, I would implement all of it in full force and effect. If I were to renounce anything, it would be the herceptin.How much oleander is she taking? If she is taking Sutherlandia OPC, it needs to be 10 capsules a day, and if she is taking Rose Laurel OPC Plus she needs to take 8 capsules a day. These supplements, together with the protocol are not what is hurting her. It looks like the chemo and radiation have weakened her body and now is the time to do all you can naturally. Mainstream medicine is not going to work. My best to you Brindusa,

 

 

 

brindusa <brindusasburlea@ hotmail.com>oleander soupWed, April 28, 2010 10:11:47 PM is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

Tony and ,Please , I need your advise. My sister diagnosed on january 2009 with her2+ breast cancer stage 3A, has now her platelets count at 27.000 wich is very low. She had chemo/radio and since january 2010 she's on herceptin with very strong side effects - all of them.Her doctor suspects a bone metastasis and asked to stop all natural supplements.She takes oleander capsules, iodine, omega-3 and cod liver oil.Do you think the cause could be just the herceptin? Should she change her protocol and renounce at some of the things above?Thank you very much.Brindusa

 

 

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Hi Brindusa,Maybe you can explain to her the importance of discipline. Cancer does not take a vacation and waits for no one. You really can't address it half heartedly, that doesn't work. And on top of that, the conventional treatments that she has been receiving only serve to weaken the immune system and destroy the body. The low platelets are the result of the chemo and radiation that she has received. Especially if one is taking conventional treatments, they must do everything possible to strengthen the immune system.Below are side effects caused by Herceptin. Some of them can be quite serious:http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/targeted_therapies/herceptin/side_effects.jspAs Tony stated in his post, my intention was not to tell you to stop it, and if this is your preferred choice of treatment, I am in no way advising your sister to stop taking it. My point was that it would not be my personal choice. Yet, it does have serious side effects and you should be aware of them. And I think it is tragic that her doctor would tell her to stop all supplements.Whether your sister chooses to address her cancer with conventional and natural means, or just naturally, it is time to take the bull by the horns and do everything it takes to address the cancer. And I suggest that you explain this to her so she realizes that cancer is nothing to play with or take lightly. At this point, whether the cancer has

metastasized to the bones or not, I would strongly suggest that she implement all of A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol in full force and effect. Of course, I realize that you can only do so much and it is ultimately her decision. But at this point I would do all in my power to make her realize that it is time to do everything possible so that the body is able to effectively fight the cancer.My Best,Brindusa Sburlea <brindusasburleaTo:

oleander soup Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 8:06:41 PMRE: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

 

 

 

Dear ,

 

I've been struggling to convince her for almost one year and a half about that but with very little succes. At least, she accepted to take oleander and other natural supplements in the protocol, in the same time with doing the conventional treatment. But i cannot say she was very strict about her diet, sleep , staying in sun or with handling stress and emotions in her life and all that stuff.

 

Our only hope now is that there are no bone mets and all her feeling sick and low blood platelets are dues to herceptin. And i think that she's aware now of the importance of discipline.

 

Thanks again for your concern.

 

Brindusa

 

 

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Dear ,

 

The herceptin is not at all her preferred choice of treatment,nor was chemo and radiation. I understood very well your point and intention, and I totally agree wiyh you and Tony. In fact, I cannot say that herceptin worked for my sister. On the contrary , her heart is extremely damaged, she's feeling sick and almost dying, plus all the others side effects. I fell so sad and frustrated to see how these treatments have destroyed her morally and physically and being powerless.

 

A thousand thanks to you and Tony for your time and efforts to help people. I"ve learned a lot on this forum. I don't post much because of my english but I'm reading all the messages .

 

Brindusa

 

 

oleander soup From: luellamay129Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 18:24:01 -0700Re: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

 

 

Hi Brindusa,Maybe you can explain to her the importance of discipline. Cancer does not take a vacation and waits for no one. You really can't address it half heartedly, that doesn't work. And on top of that, the conventional treatments that she has been receiving only serve to weaken the immune system and destroy the body. The low platelets are the result of the chemo and radiation that she has received. Especially if one is taking conventional treatments, they must do everything possible to strengthen the immune system.Below are side effects caused by Herceptin. Some of them can be quite serious:http://www.breastcancer.org/treatment/targeted_therapies/herceptin/side_effects.jspAs Tony stated in his post, my intention was not to tell you to stop it, and if this is your preferred choice of treatment, I am in no way advising your sister to stop taking it. My point was that it would not be my personal choice. Yet, it does have serious side effects and you should be aware of them. And I think it is tragic that her doctor would tell her to stop all supplements.Whether your sister chooses to address her cancer with conventional and natural means, or just naturally, it is time to take the bull by the horns and do everything it takes to address the cancer. And I suggest that you explain this to her so she realizes that cancer is nothing to play with or take lightly. At this point, whether the cancer has metastasized to the bones or not, I would strongly suggest that she implement all of A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol in full force and effect. Of course, I realize that you can only do so much and it is ultimately her decision. But at this point I would do all in my power to make her realize that it is time to do everything possible so that the body is able to effectively fight the cancer.My Best,

 

 

 

 

Brindusa Sburlea <brindusasburlea (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>oleander soup Sent: Thu, April 29, 2010 8:06:41 PMRE: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

Dear , I've been struggling to convince her for almost one year and a half about that but with very little succes. At least, she accepted to take oleander and other natural supplements in the protocol, in the same time with doing the conventional treatment. But i cannot say she was very strict about her diet, sleep , staying in sun or with handling stress and emotions in her life and all that stuff. Our only hope now is that there are no bone mets and all her feeling sick and low blood platelets are dues to herceptin. And i think that she's aware now of the importance of discipline. Thanks again for your concern. Brindusa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Bless your heart Brindusa, your English is perfect.My heart goes out to you and your sister. Yet, don't despair. There are people on this forum that have outlived their doctors' deadlines, some by years. But it takes perseverance. Most of all, it takes hope and optimism.Please know that my prayers are with you.My Best,oleander soup , Brindusa Sburlea <brindusasburlea wrote:>> > Dear ,> > > > The herceptin is not at all her preferred choice of treatment,nor was chemo and radiation. I understood very well your point and intention, and I totally agree wiyh you and Tony. In fact, I cannot say that herceptin worked for my sister. On the contrary , her heart is extremely damaged, she's feeling sick and almost dying, plus all the others side effects. I fell so sad and frustrated to see how these treatments have destroyed her morally and physically and being powerless. > > > > A thousand thanks to you and Tony for your time and efforts to help people. I"ve learned a lot on this forum. I don't post much because of my english but I'm reading all the messages . > > > > Brindusa

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Sure thing. And you are most welcome and I am gratified. Thank you.

 

Chop, tear, cut as many greens as possible into a BIG bowl of bite sized pieces.

Your eventual goal (which may be very difficult to realise) is to get your

sister to chow down 1/2-1 pound of fresh salad each day.

 

Imagine the goal as an intention but please do not push it. Remember she is

rebuilding from almost nothing. On the other hand, it is possible that a few

bites will leave her to want more.

 

Don't worry and don't nag or cajole. As I remember (thankfully detailed memory

of the feeling of pain fades when the pain goes away)I was so very tired and

everything was grey and I told time from pain pill to pain pill. I just did what

was asked of me because there was nothing else but moaning and humiliation.

Dignity no longer had meaning.

 

Allow her to do what she can. I don't know where you are but look for dark

greens. Bibb lettuce, kale, dandelion greens, beet greens, turnip leaves, and so

forth. Use as much watercress as possible. Add spinach to balance the tastes.

Fill a huge bowl which looks like an army would have trouble downing it.

Seriously, an amount which you might think would be good for two to four people.

What she can't eat you will. What neither of you can eat can be juiced or

refrigerated and eaten on the morrow.

 

Sprinkle a very small pinch of pure sea salt over the vegetables. Pour about a

tablespoon (or less) of extra virgin olive oil over it. Pour the same amount of

fresh lemon juice (pulp and all) following the oil over the greens.

 

With clean hands, massage the salad, kneading and mixing it all up. It is more

than tossing but the concept is the same. Keep going for a few minutes, making

sure (amazingly it happens) that everything is covered with the mix. Knead

gently as though you were giving a massage. Keep going until you notice that the

volume is actually getting smaller.

 

Surprise! After but a few minute, the leaves will have " wilted down " to less

than half their original volume. The leaves are also a lot softer.

 

Now you can shred up a carrot and/or thinly slice 1/2 cucumber and maybe red or

yellow or orange bell pepper slivers, add tomatoes or what you will; even some

of those soaked raisins. :-) You can use ground walnuts (oily and go down

fairly easily), tiny sprouts, diced olives and what ever you think she might

tolerate.

 

Mix the new ingredients in and toss around (with your clean hands) and let set a

few minutes longer. The volume will reduce even further.

You should wind up with about 2/3 less volume than your starting point. Top off

with a sprig of fresh parsley for a bit of calcium and to clear her palate. We

don't want to create nausea.

 

I do not know what sort of dressing she might wish but if you will give me a

hint, perhaps I can tell you how to make one from scratch or, she might like it

as a bare naked salad. I don't know what she likes and I suspect that she has

forgotten.

 

BTW, once it has wilted, you can pat dry the oil and lemon mostly out of the

salad on paper towels if you need to do that.

 

Watercress is really good against cancer. It looks lovely under shredded (peel

them first) beets which have natural and easily digested sugars to give her

energy. These are not the sort of sugars upon which cancer thrives.

 

Do the doctors continue to hydrate her? I suffered only two (more than plenty)

rounds of chemotherapy along with 16 weeks of daily radiation to a very

sensitive area. Each time, for the chemotherapy, I got a day full of IV to get

me hydrated. Good thing because who can remember to eat or to drink when

everything is agony?

 

Has your sister been able to retain her weight? Let me know, please, when you

need anything else.

 

Best of luck to both of you.

 

Blessings

 

Kathy

 

 

 

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> Could you, please, explain me how to to wilt a salad to get more greens down?

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> thanks again for your time and effort.

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> Brindusa

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>

>

>

> Apologies for butting in. I am certainly no expert but I do know a little bit

about food.

>

> Raisins are an iron rich food which will help her to build up platelets. I

know it is very difficult to work up an appetite when you are sick and raisins

are too hard and chewy.

>

> Take 1/2 cup of raisins and soak them overnight in purified water. They plump

up and become softer which makes them easier to get down and helps just a little

with hydration.

>

> Drain the raisins but reserve the soak water in the morning. The raisins will

be easy to chew as they are so soft and still retain their nutritional power to

help her body to make more blood cells.

>

> The soak water is very sweet and it is possible your sister will enjoy that as

well.

>

> The sugars in fruit are different, somehow, than the sugars in cookies and

cakes. Melons will help her keep hydrated as well. Watermelon is awesome and,

when it comes into season, so is canteloupe.

>

> Lemons are swell but I think the acid will be too abrasive for her current

condition. Figs are nice but the seeds can hurt tender gums.

>

> Tell her not to worry and don't you either. Radiation does something to your

bones. You've enough on your plate of worries as it is. When I had cancer

treatment, all, save one, of my fillings fell out. New cavities arose. I managed

to break my big right toe. Joint pains arose where I did not even know I had

joints.

>

> Do you know how to wilt a salad so your sister can get more greens down?

>

> Tony and are the knowledgeable folks about plant medicine. All I'm

suggesting is that you make sure your sister keeps eating. She needs strength

and food is fuel.

>

> Best of luck to you both.

>

> Blessings,

>

> Kathy K

>

> oleander soup , " brindusa " <brindusasburlea@> wrote:

> >

> > Tony and ,

> >

> > Please , I need your advise. My sister diagnosed on january 2009 with her2+

breast cancer stage 3A, has now her platelets count at 27.000 wich is very low.

She had chemo/radio and since january 2010 she's on herceptin with very strong

side effects - all of them.

> >

> > Her doctor suspects a bone metastasis and asked to stop all natural

supplements.

> >

> > She takes oleander capsules, iodine, omega-3 and cod liver oil.

> >

> > Do you think the cause could be just the herceptin? Should she change her

protocol and renounce at some of the things above?

> >

> > Thank you very much.

> >

> > Brindusa

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oleander soup From: luellamay129Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:23:30 +0000 Re: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

 

 

Bless your heart Brindusa, your English is perfect.My heart goes out to you and your sister. Yet, don't despair. There are people on this forum that have outlived their doctors' deadlines, some by years. But it takes perseverance. Most of all, it takes hope and optimism.Please know that my prayers are with you.My Best,oleander soup , Brindusa Sburlea <brindusasburlea wrote:>> > Dear ,> > > > The herceptin is not at all her preferred choice of treatment,nor was chemo and radiation. I understood very well your point and intention, and I totally agree wiyh you and Tony. In fact, I cannot say that herceptin worked for my sister. On the contrary , her heart is extremely damaged, she's feeling sick and almost dying, plus all the others side effects. I fell so sad and frustrated to see how these treatments have destroyed her morally and physically and being powerless. > > > > A thousand thanks to you and Tony for your time and efforts to help people. I"ve learned a lot on this forum. I don't post much because of my english but I'm reading all the messages . > > > > Brindusa

 

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Kathy,

 

Thank you very much for the all this valuable information. I'll ask my sister what dressing salad she likes and let you know.

 

The doctors hydrated her after 5 rounds of chemo, when she has been hospitalized in a isolated room for 2 weeks. The chemo really destroyed her. That was happening in october 2009.

Now, her condition is much aggravated because of herceptin which she started in january 2010. No, she is not been able to retein her weight. She lost her appetite and eats very little .

 

Many thanks again for everything and I'll let you know if she needs somtehing else ,

 

Brindusa

 

oleander soup From: geeklingDate: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:01:55 +0000 Re: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?

 

 

Sure thing. And you are most welcome and I am gratified. Thank you.Chop, tear, cut as many greens as possible into a BIG bowl of bite sized pieces. Your eventual goal (which may be very difficult to realise) is to get your sister to chow down 1/2-1 pound of fresh salad each day.Imagine the goal as an intention but please do not push it. Remember she is rebuilding from almost nothing. On the other hand, it is possible that a few bites will leave her to want more.Don't worry and don't nag or cajole. As I remember (thankfully detailed memory of the feeling of pain fades when the pain goes away)I was so very tired and everything was grey and I told time from pain pill to pain pill. I just did what was asked of me because there was nothing else but moaning and humiliation. Dignity no longer had meaning. Allow her to do what she can. I don't know where you are but look for dark greens. Bibb lettuce, kale, dandelion greens, beet greens, turnip leaves, and so forth. Use as much watercress as possible. Add spinach to balance the tastes. Fill a huge bowl which looks like an army would have trouble downing it. Seriously, an amount which you might think would be good for two to four people. What she can't eat you will. What neither of you can eat can be juiced or refrigerated and eaten on the morrow. Sprinkle a very small pinch of pure sea salt over the vegetables. Pour about a tablespoon (or less) of extra virgin olive oil over it. Pour the same amount of fresh lemon juice (pulp and all) following the oil over the greens. With clean hands, massage the salad, kneading and mixing it all up. It is more than tossing but the concept is the same. Keep going for a few minutes, making sure (amazingly it happens) that everything is covered with the mix. Knead gently as though you were giving a massage. Keep going until you notice that the volume is actually getting smaller.Surprise! After but a few minute, the leaves will have "wilted down" to less than half their original volume. The leaves are also a lot softer.Now you can shred up a carrot and/or thinly slice 1/2 cucumber and maybe red or yellow or orange bell pepper slivers, add tomatoes or what you will; even some of those soaked raisins. :-) You can use ground walnuts (oily and go down fairly easily), tiny sprouts, diced olives and what ever you think she might tolerate.Mix the new ingredients in and toss around (with your clean hands) and let set a few minutes longer. The volume will reduce even further.You should wind up with about 2/3 less volume than your starting point. Top off with a sprig of fresh parsley for a bit of calcium and to clear her palate. We don't want to create nausea.I do not know what sort of dressing she might wish but if you will give me a hint, perhaps I can tell you how to make one from scratch or, she might like it as a bare naked salad. I don't know what she likes and I suspect that she has forgotten.BTW, once it has wilted, you can pat dry the oil and lemon mostly out of the salad on paper towels if you need to do that.Watercress is really good against cancer. It looks lovely under shredded (peel them first) beets which have natural and easily digested sugars to give her energy. These are not the sort of sugars upon which cancer thrives.Do the doctors continue to hydrate her? I suffered only two (more than plenty) rounds of chemotherapy along with 16 weeks of daily radiation to a very sensitive area. Each time, for the chemotherapy, I got a day full of IV to get me hydrated. Good thing because who can remember to eat or to drink when everything is agony?Has your sister been able to retain her weight? Let me know, please, when you need anything else.Best of luck to both of you.BlessingsKathyoleander soup , Brindusa Sburlea <brindusasburlea wrote:>> > Thank you, Kathy for your advise. It's very appreciated and you gave me hope.> > > > Could you, please, explain me how to to wilt a salad to get more greens down?> > > > thanks again for your time and effort.> > > > Brindusa> > > > > > oleander soup > geekling Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:21:06 +0000> Re: is herceptin compatible with oleander and omega-3 ?> > > > > > Apologies for butting in. I am certainly no expert but I do know a little bit about food.> > Raisins are an iron rich food which will help her to build up platelets. I know it is very difficult to work up an appetite when you are sick and raisins are too hard and chewy.> > Take 1/2 cup of raisins and soak them overnight in purified water. They plump up and become softer which makes them easier to get down and helps just a little with hydration.> > Drain the raisins but reserve the soak water in the morning. The raisins will be easy to chew as they are so soft and still retain their nutritional power to help her body to make more blood cells.> > The soak water is very sweet and it is possible your sister will enjoy that as well.> > The sugars in fruit are different, somehow, than the sugars in cookies and cakes. Melons will help her keep hydrated as well. Watermelon is awesome and, when it comes into season, so is canteloupe.> > Lemons are swell but I think the acid will be too abrasive for her current condition. Figs are nice but the seeds can hurt tender gums.> > Tell her not to worry and don't you either. Radiation does something to your bones. You've enough on your plate of worries as it is. When I had cancer treatment, all, save one, of my fillings fell out. New cavities arose. I managed to break my big right toe. Joint pains arose where I did not even know I had joints.> > Do you know how to wilt a salad so your sister can get more greens down?> > Tony and are the knowledgeable folks about plant medicine. All I'm suggesting is that you make sure your sister keeps eating. She needs strength and food is fuel.> > Best of luck to you both.> > Blessings, > > Kathy K> > oleander soup , "brindusa" <brindusasburlea@> wrote:> >> > Tony and ,> > > > Please , I need your advise. My sister diagnosed on january 2009 with her2+ breast cancer stage 3A, has now her platelets count at 27.000 wich is very low. She had chemo/radio and since january 2010 she's on herceptin with very strong side effects - all of them.> > > > Her doctor suspects a bone metastasis and asked to stop all natural supplements.> > > > She takes oleander capsules, iodine, omega-3 and cod liver oil.> > > > Do you think the cause could be just the herceptin? Should she change her protocol and renounce at some of the things above?> > > > Thank you very much.> > > > Brindusa> >> > > > > > ________> Emmenez vos contacts faire un tour. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9724472>

 

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