Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Hi Tom,I just finished an article today on treating ALS naturally which should appear on Natural News in the near future.Anyway, I will preview it here and hopefully it will help these people. As you can guess, nutrition has an awful lot to do with it.Here it is:Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS) Can Be Treated NaturallyBy May Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), otherwise known as Lou Gehrig's Disease, is a rare progressive neurodegenerative disease that affects nerve cells in the brain and the spinal cord. This degeneration eventually leads to cell death, making it impossible for the brain to initiate and control muscle movement. As the disease advances to its later stages, it results in total paralysis. The cause of this nerve degeneration is thought to be the muscles not receiving enough nourishment. Therefore, in this article we will look at how we can properly nourish the muscles and delay, if not reverse, the progression of this disease. When the muscles do not receive the nourishment they need, they waste away. As the muscles degenerate, it leads to scarring or hardening of the spinal cord, disabling the nerve cells that signal and control the muscles. In addition to malnourished muscles, other factors thought to contribute to ALS include environmental toxins, including aluminum, mercury, and lead.Early symptoms of ALS include muscle weakness and difficulty in swallowing or breathing. As the illness progresses, it becomes increasingly more difficult to walk, use arms and hands, speak, eat, swallow, and breathe. However, ALS doesn't usually affect the mind. Even in its advanced stages, people with ALS do not lose cognitive function, retaining their memory and the ability to think and reason. Their ability to see, hear, smell, and touch also remain in tact.The progression of the disease is usually rapid but is different with each individual. Ten percent of people who have ALS live for ten years, and sometimes beyond. Although, a diagnosis of ALS can be devastating, there are constructive steps that a person can implement in order to treat this disease.* Physical therapy can keep the muscles strong.* Speech therapy can help retain the ability to talk.* Joining a support group or seeking counseling can help deal with this disease emotionally.Supplements that may be beneficial when treating ALS are:* Vitamin C, which supports many bodily functions. Besides strengthening the immune system, it also strengthens deteriorating connective tissue. Vitamin C is also instrumental in detoxifying the body.* It is essential to supplement with calcium and magnesium. Calcium and magnesium help stabilize aluminum and mercury, excessive amounts of which have been found in people with ALS. Additionally, ALS sufferers have been found to have low levels of these important minerals. When taking calcium and magnesium it should be done at a ratio of 1:2 or 1:3.* B-Complex Vitamins and Vitamin E play an important role in muscle and nerve function.* Creatine has shown to be effective in increasing strength in those suffering from neuromuscular disorders.* Acupuncture is thought to benefit nervous system function.* Herbs that counteract sclerosis are: Cayenne, Ginger, Cinnamon, Periwinkle, Butcher's Broom, Manjistha, Chaparral, Goldenseal Root, and Comfrey Root.* Herbs that repair the nerves are: Lady's Slipper, Kava Kava, Valerian Root, Cinnamon, Chamomile, Blue Vervain, and Passionflower.* Herbs instrumental in detoxing the liver include milk thistle, turmeric root, and dandelion root.* Spirulina and chlorella help repair damaged cells, nerves, and muscle tissue.* Colloidal Gold is also effective, due to its effects on the brain and nervous system.Lastly, it is thought that people with ALS have too much acid in their system, often due to a poor diet. It is, therefore, recommended that they follow an alkaline diet. This would necessitate eating a mostly raw diet consisting of fruits and vegetables, preferably organic. All meats, dairy products, and refined grains, starches, and unhealthy oils should be eliminated, along with processed foods, junk foods, and fast foods.Sources:http://www.alsa.org/als/what.cfmhttp://health./nervous-overview/amyotrophic-lateral-sclerosis-als-topic-overview/healthwise--hw179632.htmlhttp://www.herbs2000.com/disorders/Lou_gehrigs_dis.htmhttp://www.dherbs.com/articles/lou-gehrigs-disease-245.html May These are The Best Years in LifeColloidal Silver/Supplements Utopia SilverCome visit Curezone Health Forum andCancer Natural Health Forum at Let's keep our furkids healthy at Oleander Soup for Pets silverfox_science <poastoleander soup Sent: Thu, April 22, 2010 10:07:50 PM Oleander and ALS Hello All, I have recently run across a couple of people that are suffering from ALS. Is there any history of oleander helping with ALS? Any studies on this? Has anyone had any personnel experience with oleander and ALS? Thanks for any help on this. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Hi Tom I don’t know if oleander would help but you may want to research Vitamin D-3 and Bioidentical progesterone. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/715373_sidebar1  Vitamin D-3 and bioidentical progesterone – Progesterone’s effects on remyelination and inflammation may make it a therapeutic candidate for neurodegenerative and other chronic CNS disorders, such as amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, multiple sclerosis and Parkinson's disease. This is a very new area where work has only just begun. http://www.oasisserene.com/learning/natural-progesterone-and-brain-injury-seizures/ “In the nervous system, progesterone also stimulates cells in the spinal cord and brain to make more myelin,†Dr. Stein says. “This is one of the reasons why progesterone derivatives are being tested in clinical trials in France and Italy to treat multiple sclerosis (a disease in which myelin is disrupted). Women with multiple sclerosis who become pregnant show a marked reduction of their symptoms, which get worse again when progesterone drops immediately after birth and estrogen levels kick back in. It’s possible that the symptoms regress during pregnancy because the progesterone is stimulating the expression of genes that produce more myelin.†One neurosteroid, progesterone, has direct application to ALS. It's been shown to protect neurons from glutamate excitotoxicity, and glutamate excitotoxicity is now generally accepted to be part of ALS pathology[3]. [3] - Steroid hormones protect spinal cord neurons from glutamate toxicity. Ogata T; Nakamura Y; Tsuji K; Shibata T; Kataoka K Department of Physiology, Ehime University, School of Medicine, Japan. Neuroscience (ENGLAND) Jul 1993, 55 (2) p445-9 Progesterone administration attenuates excitatory amino acid responses of cerebellar Purkinje cells. Smith SS Department of Anatomy, Hahnemann University, Philadelphia, PA 19102. Neuroscience 1991, 42 (2) p309-20 Progesterone. Progesterone is synthesized in the peripheral nervous system in glial cells, which comprise the supporting structure of the nervous system. Studies have shown that progesterone stimulates neuron growth, accelerates the maturation of the regenerating axons, and enhances the remyelination of nerve fibers. The progesterone-induced myelination is probably mediated by progesterone receptors, as it is impaired by mifepristone (RU486), a progesterone antagonist (Koenig et al. 2000). Neurotrophic factors - Also called neurotrophins, neurotrophic factors are a family of proteins responsible for the growth and survival of neurons during development, and for maintaining adult neurons. Because neurotrophic factors are capable of making damaged neurons re-grow their processes, they represent exciting possibilities for reversing devastating brain disorders including Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and Lou Gehrig's disease. I received the following from a lady who is using our Oasis Serene bioidentical progesterone cream for epilepsy: The epilepsy foundation is talking of a study on this. In their magazine last year (a few months after I began having success) they had a story that NATURAL progesterone was helping women w/ my type of seizure disorder at about 70-80%! They don't stop all the seizures from everyone, but they do help slow them down for many women so some life can be restored. It is still in a very early trial. I am in a study also w/ a herb called Passion Flower (only 2 week study on side effects). The doctor I spoke to doing that study was excited at the success of the progesterone cream. He does allot of research at the Medical School on natural drugs for neurological diseases. He said a study w/ progesterone & Parkinson's disease (both male & female) has been encouraging, yet funding was stopped. (same w/ the Passion Flower, unless something big happens soon.) It also works on men & women who have brain injuries from the war (they can’t figure out why). He feels progesterone has some form of calming action on nerves in the brain. He agrees man-made hormones DO NOT WORK, ONLY NATURAL!  (She was experiencing many, many seizures each day and as of last month she had gone one entire week without any seizures at all!) Most of the research on nutritional supplements for ALS focuses on several areas: Protection against glutamate toxicity with vitamin B12 (methylcobalamin) (B-12 Select) and S-adenosylmethionine (SAMe) Antioxidants including N-acetyl-cysteine, vitamin C, vitamin E (tocotrienol and tocopherols – Optimum E), and alpha-lipoic acid Protection and regeneration of neurons with methylcobalamin, the proper balance of omega-3 and omega-6 essential fatty acids, acetyl-L-carnitine, pregnenolone, and DHEA Improving mitochondrial function with coenzyme Q10 and creatine Growth stimulation with human growth hormone and bioidentical testosterone (should be under the watchful eye of knowledgeable healthcare professional when using these) Mineral deficiencies of magnesium, calcium, and vitamin D. (I would suggest using calcium orotate, Ancient Minerals Magnesium Oil and Bio-D-Mulsion Forte). carries all of these products on his site. Miscellaneous supplements including ginseng, branched-chain amino acids, Hydergine, vinpocetine, and trimethylglycine(TMG) Detoxification and cleansing (actually this should be first!) Healthy diet free from any type of processed foods. Be Well Dr.L silverfox_science <poast oleander soup Thu, April 22, 2010 10:07:50 PM Oleander and ALS Hello All, I have recently run across a couple of people that are suffering from ALS. Is there any history of oleander helping with ALS? Any studies on this? Has anyone had any personnel experience with oleander and ALS? Thanks for any help on this. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Hello May, Thank you for the write up and information. The outlook for this disease is rather bleak, and I find it difficult to hold out hope without some kind of track record to follow or point to. Rarely do I find people that have lost all hope. These people know that they are going to die... soon. They are pleasant, but a little bit empty. I would like to see them go out kicking and screaming all the way and fighting to the last breath. OK, that is a little bit dramatic, but I think you understand. Do animals suffer from ALS? Are there any studies that have been done with animals? If I can find a glimmer of hope, I believe I can help these people enjoy a fuller life just by offering a glimpse of hope. I have no special powers, so they are most likely going to die in spite of any efforts on my part, but is it too much to ask for a glimmer of hope...? Sorry for carrying on, but this is like trying to put together one of those 5000 piece puzzles of a sandy beach and sky. I will go over your information in detail and see if I can put something together. Do you have any suggestions on which area to start with? I was thinking of starting with a vitamin D test to see if their bodies are capable of absorbing calcium and magnesium, and then proceeding to work on stopping the degradation. During plateau periods, we can work on repair and regeneration. Thanks again for your support and hearing me out. It shakes me up when I see people without hope. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Hello Dr. Loretta, I had decided that it would be a good idea to check vitamin D levels, but I was just thinking that you need vitamin D in order to absorb calcium and magnesium. It looks like there are more benefits to increased vitamin D levels and I need to explore those as well. With feeding tubes in place, I know they aren't eating french fries and hamburgers, but they may have toxins built up. I think detoxing will have to be taken very slowly. Thanks for the information. I will go over it in detail. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Hey Tony. Fancy meeting you here. Have you heard of the Healing Codes? You can find out about it at www.thehealingcodes.com if not. A man was 'given' these codes for his wife after 12 years of prayer. One of the first people to get cured using the codes was a doctor with ALS. He's been the main spokesperson for the codes ever since. Samala, Renee ---- Has anyone had any personnel experience with oleander and ALS? Thanks for any help on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Hello Renee, Thanks for the information. My first thought was that $800 for research seems a little steep, but I will pass the information on. Tom oleander soup , " Renee " <gaiacita wrote: > > Hey Tony. Fancy meeting you here. > > Have you heard of the Healing Codes? You can find out about it at www > thehealingcodes.com if not. > > A man was 'given' these codes for his wife after 12 years of prayer. One of > the first people to get cured using the codes was a doctor with ALS. He's > been the main spokesperson for the codes ever since. > > Samala, > Renee > > ---- > > > Has anyone had any personnel experience with oleander and ALS? > > Thanks for any help on this. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Here is the glimmer of hope........ Ten percent live for ten years and more. My question would be, are they doing differently to slow the progression of the disease? Admittedly, it would be best if natural alternatives and an overall healthy lifestyle would be implemented at the very early stages of the disease. But as you say, never give up. I say, where there is breath there is life, and there is always hope. A lot of this depends on the person's outlook. Although I don't know anyone personally with ALS, I have seen people possessing great faith heal from other terminal conditions, almost miraculously, using alternative measures and prayer. One lady told me that she attributes her healing to changing her lifestyle to a healthy one and repeating one sentence several times a day. "Thank you God for my healing." You just never know.Since he is on a feeding tube, I would nourish him by preparing juices. http://www.juicefeasting.com. I am not familiar with feeding tubes, so some of these recipes may have to be adapted to using a feeding tube. That site contains consultants that should be able to help you. I would also start giving him the supplements that can repair the nerve, muscle, and tissue degeneration. There are supplements that come in liquid form.One thing for sure, I would never give up, even if his disease is in its later stages. Because you never know.My Best,silverfox_science <poastoleander soup Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 12:13:58 AM Re: Oleander and ALS Hello May, Thank you for the write up and information. The outlook for this disease is rather bleak, and I find it difficult to hold out hope without some kind of track record to follow or point to. Rarely do I find people that have lost all hope. These people know that they are going to die... soon. They are pleasant, but a little bit empty. I would like to see them go out kicking and screaming all the way and fighting to the last breath. OK, that is a little bit dramatic, but I think you understand. Do animals suffer from ALS? Are there any studies that have been done with animals? If I can find a glimmer of hope, I believe I can help these people enjoy a fuller life just by offering a glimpse of hope. I have no special powers, so they are most likely going to die in spite of any efforts on my part, but is it too much to ask for a glimmer of hope...? Sorry for carrying on, but this is like trying to put together one of those 5000 piece puzzles of a sandy beach and sky. I will go over your information in detail and see if I can put something together. Do you have any suggestions on which area to start with? I was thinking of starting with a vitamin D test to see if their bodies are capable of absorbing calcium and magnesium, and then proceeding to work on stopping the degradation. During plateau periods, we can work on repair and regeneration. Thanks again for your support and hearing me out. It shakes me up when I see people without hope. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010  Not sure what your feeling on Rene Caisse and her 'essaic' treatment is, but I found her answer to the question of her tea's abilities in healing cancer at one of her 'hearings' to be quite astonishing and comforting: "If it does not cure cancer it will afford relief, if the patient has sufficient vitality remaining to enable him to respond to treatment." In essence, even tho it did not always 'heal' the cancer itself, it still would relieve some of the suffering. My best, Ila - May oleander soup Friday, April 23, 2010 11:08 AM Re: Re: Oleander and ALS Here is the glimmer of hope........ Ten percent live for ten years and more. My question would be, are they doing differently to slow the progression of the disease? Admittedly, it would be best if natural alternatives and an overall healthy lifestyle would be implemented at the very early stages of the disease. But as you say, never give up. I say, where there is breath there is life, and there is always hope. A lot of this depends on the person's outlook. Although I don't know anyone personally with ALS, I have seen people possessing great faith heal from other terminal conditions, almost miraculously, using alternative measures and prayer. One lady told me that she attributes her healing to changing her lifestyle to a healthy one and repeating one sentence several times a day. "Thank you God for my healing." You just never know.Since he is on a feeding tube, I would nourish him by preparing juices. http://www.juicefeasting.com. I am not familiar with feeding tubes, so some of these recipes may have to be adapted to using a feeding tube. That site contains consultants that should be able to help you. I would also start giving him the supplements that can repair the nerve, muscle, and tissue degeneration. There are supplements that come in liquid form.One thing for sure, I would never give up, even if his disease is in its later stages. Because you never know.My Best, silverfox_science <poastoleander soup Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 12:13:58 AM Re: Oleander and ALS Hello May,Thank you for the write up and information. The outlook for this disease is rather bleak, and I find it difficult to hold out hope without some kind of track record to follow or point to.Rarely do I find people that have lost all hope. These people know that they are going to die... soon. They are pleasant, but a little bit empty. I would like to see them go out kicking and screaming all the way and fighting to the last breath.OK, that is a little bit dramatic, but I think you understand.Do animals suffer from ALS? Are there any studies that have been done with animals?If I can find a glimmer of hope, I believe I can help these people enjoy a fuller life just by offering a glimpse of hope. I have no special powers, so they are most likely going to die in spite of any efforts on my part, but is it too much to ask for a glimmer of hope...?Sorry for carrying on, but this is like trying to put together one of those 5000 piece puzzles of a sandy beach and sky.I will go over your information in detail and see if I can put something together. Do you have any suggestions on which area to start with? I was thinking of starting with a vitamin D test to see if their bodies are capable of absorbing calcium and magnesium, and then proceeding to work on stopping the degradation. During plateau periods, we can work on repair and regeneration.Thanks again for your support and hearing me out. It shakes me up when I see people without hope. Tom Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2830 - Release 04/22/10 23:31:00 Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2830 - Release 04/22/10 23:31:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2010 Report Share Posted April 23, 2010 Yes--but I think they have cheaper prices depending on the person. That's the 'listed' price, but I've seen it for half that. Just have to look around. And actually, if they call the place--or email, there are practitioners so that they will see you and you don't pay for the course, plus not so much of a learning curve. Samala, Renee ---- My first thought was that $800 for research seems a little steep, but I will pass the information on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 Hi ; I am slightly familiar with feeding tubes. They need be kept clean. Citrus acid will destroy them. No more thsn a splash of lemon or lime for a quart of feeding tube fresh juice liquid. All juices must be fully strained and, perhaps thinned, so the tubes don't clog. End of slight knowledge. :-) oleander soup , May <luellamay129 wrote: > > Here is the glimmer of hope........ Ten percent live for ten years and more. My question would be, are they doing differently to slow the progression of the disease? Admittedly, it would be best if natural alternatives and an overall healthy lifestyle would be implemented at the very early stages of the disease. But as you say, never give up. I say, where there is breath there is life, and there is always hope. A lot of this depends on the person's outlook. Although I don't know anyone personally with ALS, I have seen people possessing great faith heal from other terminal conditions, almost miraculously, using alternative measures and prayer. One lady told me that she attributes her healing to changing her lifestyle to a healthy one and repeating one sentence several times a day. " Thank you God for my healing. " You just never know. > > Since he is on a feeding tube, I would nourish him by preparing juices. http://www.juicefeasting.com. I am not familiar with feeding tubes, so some of these recipes may have to be adapted to using a feeding tube. That site contains consultants that should be able to help you. I would also start giving him the supplements that can repair the nerve, muscle, and tissue degeneration. There are supplements that come in liquid form. > > One thing for sure, I would never give up, even if his disease is in its later stages. Because you never know. > > My Best, > > > > > > ________________________________ > silverfox_science <poast > oleander soup > Fri, April 23, 2010 12:13:58 AM > Re: Oleander and ALS > > > Hello May, > > Thank you for the write up and information. > > The outlook for this disease is rather bleak, and I find it difficult to hold out hope without some kind of track record to follow or point to. > > Rarely do I find people that have lost all hope. These people know that they are going to die... soon. They are pleasant, but a little bit empty. I would like to see them go out kicking and screaming all the way and fighting to the last breath. > > OK, that is a little bit dramatic, but I think you understand. > > Do animals suffer from ALS? Are there any studies that have been done with animals? > > If I can find a glimmer of hope, I believe I can help these people enjoy a fuller life just by offering a glimpse of hope. I have no special powers, so they are most likely going to die in spite of any efforts on my part, but is it too much to ask for a glimmer of hope...? > > Sorry for carrying on, but this is like trying to put together one of those 5000 piece puzzles of a sandy beach and sky. > > I will go over your information in detail and see if I can put something together. Do you have any suggestions on which area to start with? > > I was thinking of starting with a vitamin D test to see if their bodies are capable of absorbing calcium and magnesium, and then proceeding to work on stopping the degradation. During plateau periods, we can work on repair and regeneration. > > Thanks again for your support and hearing me out. It shakes me up when I see people without hope. > > Tom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2010 Report Share Posted April 24, 2010 Hi Kathy,Your knowledge is invaluable. Thank you.Hugs,geekling <geeklingoleander soup Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 3:30:48 AM Re: Oleander and ALS Hi ; I am slightly familiar with feeding tubes. They need be kept clean. Citrus acid will destroy them. No more thsn a splash of lemon or lime for a quart of feeding tube fresh juice liquid. All juices must be fully strained and, perhaps thinned, so the tubes don't clog. End of slight knowledge. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2010 Report Share Posted April 25, 2010 Hello Tom,You might want to suggest to those people that they get tested for chronic Lyme Disease via Igenex Labs and that they go to a Lyme Literate Medical Doctor (LLMD) because chronic Lyme Disease can mimic ALS. A medical doctor by the name of Dr. David Martz recovered from diagnosed ALS after he was diagnosed with chronic Lyme Disease and treated for it thereafter. His story was featured in the documentary film "Under Our Skin" and in the book "Cure Unknown: Inside the Lyme Epidemic". Some info about Dr. Martz and his recovery from diagnosed ALS: http://www.lymedisease.org/news/touchedbylyme/372.htmlhttp://tinyurl.com/2c3hdf2 Best regards,Kevinoleander soup , "silverfox_science" <poast wrote:>> Hello All,> > I have recently run across a couple of people that are suffering from ALS.> > Is there any history of oleander helping with ALS?> > Any studies on this?> > Has anyone had any personnel experience with oleander and ALS?> > Thanks for any help on this.> > Tom> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Hello May, Thank you again, and we are definitely on the same wavelength. I asked about vitamin D level testing and they had not done that. I am suggesting that they do it just to get a feel for where things are. I will pass on the information on juicing, although I think they are aware of that. Anyway a little more information never hurts. Tom oleander soup , May <luellamay129 wrote: > > Here is the glimmer of hope........ Ten percent live for ten years and more. My question would be, are they doing differently to slow the progression of the disease? Admittedly, it would be best if natural alternatives and an overall healthy lifestyle would be implemented at the very early stages of the disease. But as you say, never give up. I say, where there is breath there is life, and there is always hope. A lot of this depends on the person's outlook. Although I don't know anyone personally with ALS, I have seen people possessing great faith heal from other terminal conditions, almost miraculously, using alternative measures and prayer. One lady told me that she attributes her healing to changing her lifestyle to a healthy one and repeating one sentence several times a day. " Thank you God for my healing. " You just never know. > > Since he is on a feeding tube, I would nourish him by preparing juices. http://www.juicefeasting.com. I am not familiar with feeding tubes, so some of these recipes may have to be adapted to using a feeding tube. That site contains consultants that should be able to help you. I would also start giving him the supplements that can repair the nerve, muscle, and tissue degeneration. There are supplements that come in liquid form. > > One thing for sure, I would never give up, even if his disease is in its later stages. Because you never know. > > My Best, > > > > > > ________________________________ > silverfox_science <poast > oleander soup > Fri, April 23, 2010 12:13:58 AM > Re: Oleander and ALS > > > Hello May, > > Thank you for the write up and information. > > The outlook for this disease is rather bleak, and I find it difficult to hold out hope without some kind of track record to follow or point to. > > Rarely do I find people that have lost all hope. These people know that they are going to die... soon. They are pleasant, but a little bit empty. I would like to see them go out kicking and screaming all the way and fighting to the last breath. > > OK, that is a little bit dramatic, but I think you understand. > > Do animals suffer from ALS? Are there any studies that have been done with animals? > > If I can find a glimmer of hope, I believe I can help these people enjoy a fuller life just by offering a glimpse of hope. I have no special powers, so they are most likely going to die in spite of any efforts on my part, but is it too much to ask for a glimmer of hope...? > > Sorry for carrying on, but this is like trying to put together one of those 5000 piece puzzles of a sandy beach and sky. > > I will go over your information in detail and see if I can put something together. Do you have any suggestions on which area to start with? > > I was thinking of starting with a vitamin D test to see if their bodies are capable of absorbing calcium and magnesium, and then proceeding to work on stopping the degradation. During plateau periods, we can work on repair and regeneration. > > Thanks again for your support and hearing me out. It shakes me up when I see people without hope. > > Tom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Hello Ila, The families have taken the stand that ALS is not cancer. They have specifically asked me to research ALS. They have been bombarded with various cancer cures where they received the impression that if something can cure cancer it can cure anything. I believe they even tried a few of these without success. If I may quote a part of one of our conversations " ...cancer cures are a dime a dozen. Finding treatment or slowing down ALS is like a needle in a haystack. " However, I will find a way to mention this. Tom oleander soup , " Ila " <ila wrote: > > Not sure what your feeling on Rene Caisse and her 'essaic' treatment is, but I found her answer to the question of her tea's abilities in healing cancer at one of her 'hearings' to be quite astonishing and comforting: " If it does not cure cancer it will afford relief, if the patient has sufficient vitality remaining to enable him to respond to treatment. " > > In essence, even tho it did not always 'heal' the cancer itself, it still would relieve some of the suffering. > > My best, > Ila > > - > May > oleander soup > Friday, April 23, 2010 11:08 AM > Re: Re: Oleander and ALS > > > > > > Here is the glimmer of hope........ Ten percent live for ten years and more. My question would be, are they doing differently to slow the progression of the disease? Admittedly, it would be best if natural alternatives and an overall healthy lifestyle would be implemented at the very early stages of the disease. But as you say, never give up. I say, where there is breath there is life, and there is always hope. A lot of this depends on the person's outlook. Although I don't know anyone personally with ALS, I have seen people possessing great faith heal from other terminal conditions, almost miraculously, using alternative measures and prayer. One lady told me that she attributes her healing to changing her lifestyle to a healthy one and repeating one sentence several times a day. " Thank you God for my healing. " You just never know. > > Since he is on a feeding tube, I would nourish him by preparing juices. http://www.juicefeasting.com. I am not familiar with feeding tubes, so some of these recipes may have to be adapted to using a feeding tube. That site contains consultants that should be able to help you. I would also start giving him the supplements that can repair the nerve, muscle, and tissue degeneration. There are supplements that come in liquid form. > > One thing for sure, I would never give up, even if his disease is in its later stages. Because you never know. > > My Best, > > > > > > > -- > silverfox_science <poast > oleander soup > Fri, April 23, 2010 12:13:58 AM > Re: Oleander and ALS > > > Hello May, > > Thank you for the write up and information. > > The outlook for this disease is rather bleak, and I find it difficult to hold out hope without some kind of track record to follow or point to. > > Rarely do I find people that have lost all hope. These people know that they are going to die... soon. They are pleasant, but a little bit empty. I would like to see them go out kicking and screaming all the way and fighting to the last breath. > > OK, that is a little bit dramatic, but I think you understand. > > Do animals suffer from ALS? Are there any studies that have been done with animals? > > If I can find a glimmer of hope, I believe I can help these people enjoy a fuller life just by offering a glimpse of hope. I have no special powers, so they are most likely going to die in spite of any efforts on my part, but is it too much to ask for a glimmer of hope...? > > Sorry for carrying on, but this is like trying to put together one of those 5000 piece puzzles of a sandy beach and sky. > > I will go over your information in detail and see if I can put something together. Do you have any suggestions on which area to start with? > > I was thinking of starting with a vitamin D test to see if their bodies are capable of absorbing calcium and magnesium, and then proceeding to work on stopping the degradation. During plateau periods, we can work on repair and regeneration. > > Thanks again for your support and hearing me out. It shakes me up when I see people without hope. > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2830 - Release 04/22/10 23:31:00 > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.814 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2830 - Release 04/22/10 23:31:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2010 Report Share Posted April 27, 2010 Hello Kevin, Thank you for that information. We also are on the same wavelength. I have already had this discussion with them and while they have ruled out Lyme, I am continuing to pass on information, just in case they missed something. I am somewhat familiar with Dr. Martz, but will review the information and pass it on. Tom oleander soup , " millhouseroad " <millhouseroad wrote: > > > Hello Tom, > > You might want to suggest to those people that they get tested for > chronic Lyme Disease via Igenex Labs and that they go to a Lyme Literate > Medical Doctor (LLMD) because chronic Lyme Disease can mimic ALS. > > A medical doctor by the name of Dr. David Martz recovered from diagnosed > ALS after he was diagnosed with chronic Lyme Disease and treated for it > thereafter. His story was featured in the documentary film " Under Our > Skin " and in the book " Cure Unknown: Inside the Lyme Epidemic " . > > Some info about Dr. Martz and his recovery from diagnosed ALS: > > http://www.lymedisease.org/news/touchedbylyme/372.html > <http://www.lymedisease.org/news/touchedbylyme/372.html> > > http://tinyurl.com/2c3hdf2 <http://tinyurl.com/2c3hdf2> > > Best regards, > Kevin > > > oleander soup , " silverfox_science " <poast@> > wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > I have recently run across a couple of people that are suffering from > ALS. > > > > Is there any history of oleander helping with ALS? > > > > Any studies on this? > > > > Has anyone had any personnel experience with oleander and ALS? > > > > Thanks for any help on this. > > > > Tom > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 Pardon me for venting... It really irks me when you are in the middle of gathering information that can possibly help someone, and they pass away. I feel frustrated and angry that we didn't even get much of a chance to dream of hope let alone do anything about it. My loss is nothing compared to the families, so I really don't have any reason to complain, but just the same I feel a sense of loss. OK, time to move on and see if I can actually do something productive. Tom oleander soup , " silverfox_science " <poast wrote: > > Hello All, > > I have recently run across a couple of people that are suffering from ALS. > > Is there any history of oleander helping with ALS? > > Any studies on this? > > Has anyone had any personnel experience with oleander and ALS? > > Thanks for any help on this. > > Tom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 Tom,Although your loss is not as intense as the family's you have suffered a loss, and I offer you my condolences.We all suffer and grieve when someone comes to us in the very late stages of a disease, sometimes when it is too late and, although we do everything in our power to keep that hope alive and to furnish them with natural alternatives, the person passes on. Yet, the fact is that by the time they came to us their body was destroyed most often by the effects of chemo and radiation. You did do the best you could and you were very productive. Who knows, maybe you gave the family valuable information that they might need in the future. Nothing is for nought. We must never stop helping others, no matter what the circumstances, no matter how bleak things may look. And this is what you did.I wish you my very best,silverfox_science <poastoleander soup Sent: Sat, May 1, 2010 12:08:20 AM Re: Oleander and ALS Pardon me for venting... It really irks me when you are in the middle of gathering information that can possibly help someone, and they pass away. I feel frustrated and angry that we didn't even get much of a chance to dream of hope let alone do anything about it. My loss is nothing compared to the families, so I really don't have any reason to complain, but just the same I feel a sense of loss. OK, time to move on and see if I can actually do something productive. Tom > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2010 Report Share Posted May 2, 2010 Hello , Thank you, very much... Tom oleander soup , May <luellamay129 wrote: > > Tom, > > Although your loss is not as intense as the family's you have suffered a loss, and I offer you my condolences. > > We all suffer and grieve when someone comes to us in the very late stages of a disease, sometimes when it is too late and, although we do everything in our power to keep that hope alive and to furnish them with natural alternatives, the person passes on. Yet, the fact is that by the time they came to us their body was destroyed most often by the effects of chemo and radiation. > > You did do the best you could and you were very productive. Who knows, maybe you gave the family valuable information that they might need in the future. Nothing is for nought. > > We must never stop helping others, no matter what the circumstances, no matter how bleak things may look. And this is what you did. > > I wish you my very best, > > > > > > ________________________________ > silverfox_science <poast > oleander soup > Sat, May 1, 2010 12:08:20 AM > Re: Oleander and ALS > > > Pardon me for venting... > > It really irks me when you are in the middle of gathering information that can possibly help someone, and they pass away. > > I feel frustrated and angry that we didn't even get much of a chance to dream of hope let alone do anything about it. > > My loss is nothing compared to the families, so I really don't have any reason to complain, but just the same I feel a sense of loss. > > OK, time to move on and see if I can actually do something productive. > > Tom > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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