Bromelain, other supplements and Hepatitis - Kathy

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Kathy -

I agree that just about anything done in a lab does alter the properties of a substance versus what is found in the natural form. When you get down to it, extracts themselves are not the same as the whole food source and even juicing is not the same unless you also consume the pulp.

Dole claims to have done preliminary studies which show that their fresh pineapple is superior in enzymatic activity to supplements. Likely they are right, even though I do not trust Dole as far as I could throw them. The company has a pretty shameful past and I hope that they do not commit the same atrocities and misdeeds with pineapples as they have with bananas. I am unconvinced that a cup and half of pineapple will give you a therapeutic dose equivalent to 2 capsules of a quality bromelain supplement. Even if such were the case, most people will find it difficult to obtain and take fresh pineapple daily.

It is kind of like nutrition in general. The mainstream line is that a person can get all their needed nutrition from diet alone. I suppose that might be possible if you grew your own food in mineral rich soil and planned very carefully. In today's real world of mineral depleted soils, GMO crops, and processed foods that have had the nutrition processed out and harmful additives processed in for shelf life, taste, color and texture it is virtually impossible to get the RDA of all vitamins and minerals, much less the optimum daily amounts or all the other vital trace minerals and nutrients needed for optimum health. I have many times challenged those who put forth the myth of getting all your nutrition from diet to provide a weekly diet plan for 2000-2500 calories a day which would provide all the needed nutrition on a daily basis and have yet to have one single person respond.

To ensure that we get all our needed nutrients we take intraMAX, which is in my opinion the best vitamin, mineral and nutrient product in the world. I have had several people tell me (and thank me) that intraMAX has made more of a noticeable difference in their health than any other product they have taken. In addition, I also frequently take a scoop or two of a supergreen foods powder mix I had custom made for me (it basically is a Dr. Schulze formula with added acerola cherry). I either add it to raw goats milk with molasses and perhaps a bit of raw honey and a raw free range organic egg or to a juice mix or vegetable mix where I also blend in fruits or veggies. With the veggie version I add cayenne pepper. And, I take a dropper of iodine (a combination of SSKI and Magnascent) in my morning juice and down a selenium supplement with it. Other items I take include GTF chromium (far, far superior to chromium picolinate), silica, oleander, Dr. Christopher's Hawthorne berry syrup, CoQ10 and Milk Thistle.

On the other hand, I have a horrible sweet tooth I have to guard against constantly, a fondness for cokes and indulge in the occasional hamburger and angus beef hotdog. If I had a serious condition such as cancer I would not each such items and I try to keep sweets and cokes from jumping in my grocery cart when I am not looking (ahem), sometimes with more success than other times.

Congratulations to you on being a cancer survivor. Live and eat healthily, avoid stress, and take a preventive dose of oleander and you should fare well. Now, for that hepatitis, I promise you that I have as good a protocol as can be found:

/Hepatitis_Protocol.htm

As far as I know, that protocol virtually never fails.

All the best,

oleander soup , "geekling" <geekling wrote:>> Tony;> > I've been a member of the group for a relatively short term. Although I read the posts, I've had very little to contribute as much of the information and anacronyms are somewhat beyond me. I did learn about DSMO here and am grateful for the information.> > I am not sure that Dole, Inc would agree with your stance on bromelain but that is neither here nor there. I am not a scientist but I do know my way around a kitchen, for the most part. If I wanted to make pineapple jello, for example, and used fresh pineapple, it simply would not work. The pineapple is some sort of anti coagulant. That would be the bromelain in it.> > I could, however, use canned pineapple or powdered bromelain extract and a solidified jello would result. Point being, mucking with a food in a lab, even just through standardization, changes the natural properties of the food as well as using only a part rather than a whole food. Even so, someone allergic to pineapple, would remain allergic to all three versions of pineapple and its extracts.> > Even more interestingly, the stem of the pineapple v the core of the fruit have different sorts of bromelain in them:> > http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=34> > The stem is, of course, a waste product, not sold as food while the core can be reserved or used in juicing or chewed and eaten.> > I submit that a cup of fresh pineapple each day (a cup and one half would better) is more beneficial than a host of pills. No studies of comparison have been done; nor can we expect any at any time soon.> > As to selenium, each (pre soaked) Brazil nut supplies 100 mcg of whole selenium. The RDA for selenium is 200 mcg. If you want more, simply eat another nut.> > As to magnesium, there are lots of foods which are abundant in it, from lowly dandelion leaves to apricots to kiwis to raisins to spinach, beets, and tomatoes. It is just that folks simply do not eat enough whole and diverse foods because two to three generations, by now, have been trained to reach for a package or fast food for sustenance.> > I am not saying that pills do not help. I think they are a LOT better than nothing. Many of the people on this forum don't have a lot of time to waste. A healthier diet, in my view and through my own experiences with dire illness, is much faster acting than pills.> > I am a cancer survivor. I am currently dealing with a hepatitis and an allergy to mold.> > As long as folks can be made to understand that eating well is of utmost importance and what eating well actually means, I've no other qualms or questions. When one is ill, nothing takes precedence over meal prep and proper rest and exercise. It is the only way to really heal.> > Thanks for your time.> > Kathy K> > > 2c. Re: Dental Surgery> Posted by: "TonyI" > Wed Apr 7, 2010 5:34 pm ((PDT))> > > Kathy -> > I am not sure how long you have been a member here or how many of my> articles you have read, but I can assure you that many times the whole> food sources have been listed both here and in my articles.> > I agree wholeheartedly that nutrition and supplementation from whole> food sources is the best. Whole food nutrients are always better> utilized by the body than non-whole food synthesized/USP/man-made> varieties. Our bodies are intended to be nourished from food and not> from varying combinations of ground up rocks, petroleum by-productsand> coal tar derivatives that are said to make up more than 95 percent of> the supplements sold in the US.> > In some instances however, it is very difficult to get a therapeutic> amount of some items from food alone. Sometimes it is also difficult to> find whole food sources of some items and other times it is quite> pricey.> > Bromelain is an excellent example to cite. Eating pineapple alone does> not give you much extra bromelain, since by far the highest> concentration of bromelain is found in the stems of pineapple (which are> the main commercial source of bromelain extract). Though edible, the> stem is not very tasty, and it would still take a lot of pineapple stems> to give you the 500 to 1000 mg of bromelain recommended. Since stems> are left over in the food manufacturing processes, there is an abundant> source of bromelain and most bromelain supplements are relatively> inexpensive.> > Magnesium is another example. Though theoretically you COULD can get> optimal and even therapeutic amounts of magnesium from food sources, it> is very difficult to do without serious daily planning. That, along> with our mineral depleted soils and SAD diet, explains why anywhere from> 80-95% of us are deficient in magnesium and not even getting the paltry> RDA amount on a daily basis.> > Inasfar as the supplements that I or recommend, I have gone to> quite a bit of effort to find the best combinations of quality and price> as well as reputable companies for sources of the items on my> recommended protocol. In the instance of Utopia Silver, not only have> known the owner since the second grade and have gotten him to give us a> group discount for items not on sale, I have also served as a consultant> on which supplements he carries and gotten him to specifically carry> some of the items that fit the protocol. Two examples are NAC Sustain,> which is a superior form of N-Acetyl Cysteine and methylselenocysteine> which is by far the best source of selenium - not only is selenium a> vital co-factor for iodine, but that particular form of selenium is the> one which has its own cancer-fighting properties.> > All the best,> > Tony>