Dental Surgery

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony and ,I will be having dental surgery soon to remove a Wisdom tooth root fragment. Are there any products on your protocol I need to stop beforehand? Or any supplements that should not be started for a while afterward?Thanks, Eva.

[Guest guest]

Eva -

The short answer is that you may wish to discontinue any items you are taking which have blood thinning characteristics a couple of days or so before the surgery and not begin again until a few days afterwards. To be safe you might give most things a break for a few days. One thing I would recommend is that you take Bromelain up until about two days before the surgery and then begin taking it again a day afterwards (at least 500 mg twice daily). It will help you heal much more quickly. One caution - it is a powerful binder and may increase the actions twofold or more of any other medications/supplements you are taking at the time, so use caution if you are given a painkiller or something else which needs to have the dose limited to safe levels.

All the best,

oleander soup , Eva Klein-Otis <eklein.otis wrote:>> Hi Tony and ,> > I will be having dental surgery soon to remove a Wisdom tooth root fragment. Are there any products on your protocol I need to stop beforehand? Or any supplements that should not be started for a while afterward?> > Thanks, Eva.>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tony,I appreciate the advice very much. I had thought to perhaps discontinue Oleander a few days before surgery, but I will now err on the side of caution with all of my protocol. Thanks for the tip on Bromelain. I take 500mg 3x day, so I will keep that in mind. I am going to try to avoid painkillers as much as possible and see how far homeopathics and essential oils can take me. However I do realize that being a redhead I may need to pop a pill or more for pain.Thanks again, Eva.--- On Wed, 4/7/10, wrote:TonyI Re: Dental Surgeryoleander soup Date: Wednesday, April 7,

2010, 3:58 AM

 

 

Eva -

The short answer is that you may wish to discontinue any items you are taking which have blood thinning characteristics a couple of days or so before the surgery and not begin again until a few days afterwards. To be safe you might give most things a break for a few days. One thing I would recommend is that you take Bromelain up until about two days before the surgery and then begin taking it again a day afterwards (at least 500 mg twice daily). It will help you heal much more quickly. One caution - it is a powerful binder and may increase the actions twofold or more of any other medications/ supplements you are taking at the time, so use caution if you are given a painkiller or something else which needs to have

the dose limited to safe levels.

All the best,

Tony

[Guest guest]

Eva -

A redhead? That explains why you are such a stinker!

 

oleander soup , Eva Klein-Otis <eklein.otis wrote:>> Hi Tony,> > I appreciate the advice very much. I had thought to perhaps discontinue Oleander a few days before surgery, but I will now err on the side of caution with all of my protocol. Thanks for the tip on Bromelain. I take 500mg 3x day, so I will keep that in mind. I am going to try to avoid painkillers as much as possible and see how far homeopathics and essential oils can take me. However I do realize that being a redhead I may need to pop a pill or more for pain.> > Thanks again, Eva.

[Guest guest]

I am just wondering why there are always recommendations for pills and

supplements while rarelty, if ever, a point to the whole food?

 

Bromelian is found, in abundance, in pineapple, especially the core.

 

It would seem to me that a whole food, as Mom Nature intended, is much better

for a body than parts of that food, broken up, and coming to a person from a

laboratory, inside a gel capsule or as a caplet with fillers. After all, Mother

knows best. :-)

 

Thank you.

 

Kathy K

[Guest guest]

Kathy -

I am not sure how long you have been a member here or how many of my articles you have read, but I can assure you that many times the whole food sources have been listed both here and in my articles.

I agree wholeheartedly that nutrition and supplementation from whole food sources is the best. Whole food nutrients are always better utilized by the body than non-whole food synthesized/USP/man-made varieties. Our bodies are intended to be nourished from food and not from varying combinations of ground up rocks, petroleum by-productsand coal tar derivatives that are said to make up more than 95 percent of the supplements sold in the US.

In some instances however, it is very difficult to get a therapeutic amount of some items from food alone. Sometimes it is also difficult to find whole food sources of some items and other times it is quite pricey.

Bromelain is an excellent example to cite. Eating pineapple alone does not give you much extra bromelain, since by far the highest concentration of bromelain is found in the stems of pineapple (which are the main commercial source of bromelain extract). Though edible, the stem is not very tasty, and it would still take a lot of pineapple stems to give you the 500 to 1000 mg of bromelain recommended. Since stems are left over in the food manufacturing processes, there is an abundant source of bromelain and most bromelain supplements are relatively inexpensive.

Magnesium is another example. Though theoretically you COULD can get optimal and even therapeutic amounts of magnesium from food sources, it is very difficult to do without serious daily planning. That, along with our mineral depleted soils and SAD diet, explains why anywhere from 80-95% of us are deficient in magnesium and not even getting the paltry RDA amount on a daily basis.

Inasfar as the supplements that I or recommend, I have gone to quite a bit of effort to find the best combinations of quality and price as well as reputable companies for sources of the items on my recommended protocol. In the instance of Utopia Silver, not only have known the owner since the second grade and have gotten him to give us a group discount for items not on sale, I have also served as a consultant on which supplements he carries and gotten him to specifically carry some of the items that fit the protocol. Two examples are NAC Sustain, which is a superior form of N-Acetyl Cysteine and methylselenocysteine which is by far the best source of selenium - not only is selenium a vital co-factor for iodine, but that particular form of selenium is the one which has its own cancer-fighting properties.

All the best,

oleander soup , "geekling" <geekling wrote:>> I am just wondering why there are always recommendations for pills and supplements while rarelty, if ever, a point to the whole food?> > Bromelian is found, in abundance, in pineapple, especially the core.> > It would seem to me that a whole food, as Mom Nature intended, is much better for a body than parts of that food, broken up, and coming to a person from a laboratory, inside a gel capsule or as a caplet with fillers. After all, Mother knows best. :-)> > Thank you.> > Kathy K>

[Guest guest]

Tony;

 

I've been a member of the group for a relatively short term. Although I read the

posts, I've had very little to contribute as much of the information and

anacronyms are somewhat beyond me. I did learn about DSMO here and am grateful

for the information.

 

I am not sure that Dole, Inc would agree with your stance on bromelain but that

is neither here nor there. I am not a scientist but I do know my way around a

kitchen, for the most part. If I wanted to make pineapple jello, for example,

and used fresh pineapple, it simply would not work. The pineapple is some sort

of anti coagulant. That would be the bromelain in it.

 

I could, however, use canned pineapple or powdered bromelain extract and a

solidified jello would result. Point being, mucking with a food in a lab, even

just through standardization, changes the natural properties of the food as well

as using only a part rather than a whole food. Even so, someone allergic to

pineapple, would remain allergic to all three versions of pineapple and its

extracts.

 

Even more interestingly, the stem of the pineapple v the core of the fruit have

different sorts of bromelain in them:

 

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=34

 

The stem is, of course, a waste product, not sold as food while the core can be

reserved or used in juicing or chewed and eaten.

 

I submit that a cup of fresh pineapple each day (a cup and one half would

better) is more beneficial than a host of pills. No studies of comparison have

been done; nor can we expect any at any time soon.

 

As to selenium, each (pre soaked) Brazil nut supplies 100 mcg of whole selenium.

The RDA for selenium is 200 mcg. If you want more, simply eat another nut.

 

As to magnesium, there are lots of foods which are abundant in it, from lowly

dandelion leaves to apricots to kiwis to raisins to spinach, beets, and

tomatoes. It is just that folks simply do not eat enough whole and diverse foods

because two to three generations, by now, have been trained to reach for a

package or fast food for sustenance.

 

I am not saying that pills do not help. I think they are a LOT better than

nothing. Many of the people on this forum don't have a lot of time to waste. A

healthier diet, in my view and through my own experiences with dire illness, is

much faster acting than pills.

 

I am a cancer survivor. I am currently dealing with a hepatitis and an allergy

to mold.

 

As long as folks can be made to understand that eating well is of utmost

importance and what eating well actually means, I've no other qualms or

questions. When one is ill, nothing takes precedence over meal prep and proper

rest and exercise. It is the only way to really heal.

 

Thanks for your time.

 

Kathy K

 

 

2c. Re: Dental Surgery

Posted by: ""

Wed Apr 7, 2010 5:34 pm ((PDT))

 

 

Kathy -

 

I am not sure how long you have been a member here or how many of my

articles you have read, but I can assure you that many times the whole

food sources have been listed both here and in my articles.

 

I agree wholeheartedly that nutrition and supplementation from whole

food sources is the best. Whole food nutrients are always better

utilized by the body than non-whole food synthesized/USP/man-made

varieties. Our bodies are intended to be nourished from food and not

from varying combinations of ground up rocks, petroleum by-productsand

coal tar derivatives that are said to make up more than 95 percent of

the supplements sold in the US.

 

In some instances however, it is very difficult to get a therapeutic

amount of some items from food alone. Sometimes it is also difficult to

find whole food sources of some items and other times it is quite

pricey.

 

Bromelain is an excellent example to cite. Eating pineapple alone does

not give you much extra bromelain, since by far the highest

concentration of bromelain is found in the stems of pineapple (which are

the main commercial source of bromelain extract). Though edible, the

stem is not very tasty, and it would still take a lot of pineapple stems

to give you the 500 to 1000 mg of bromelain recommended. Since stems

are left over in the food manufacturing processes, there is an abundant

source of bromelain and most bromelain supplements are relatively

inexpensive.

 

Magnesium is another example. Though theoretically you COULD can get

optimal and even therapeutic amounts of magnesium from food sources, it

is very difficult to do without serious daily planning. That, along

with our mineral depleted soils and SAD diet, explains why anywhere from

80-95% of us are deficient in magnesium and not even getting the paltry

RDA amount on a daily basis.

 

Inasfar as the supplements that I or recommend, I have gone to

quite a bit of effort to find the best combinations of quality and price

as well as reputable companies for sources of the items on my

recommended protocol. In the instance of Utopia Silver, not only have

known the owner since the second grade and have gotten him to give us a

group discount for items not on sale, I have also served as a consultant

on which supplements he carries and gotten him to specifically carry

some of the items that fit the protocol. Two examples are NAC Sustain,

which is a superior form of N-Acetyl Cysteine and methylselenocysteine

which is by far the best source of selenium - not only is selenium a

vital co-factor for iodine, but that particular form of selenium is the

one which has its own cancer-fighting properties.

 

All the best,

 

Tony