Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010  Hi and Ted, My pains are not cramps. Here is more precisely what and how... -After 5 days with 2+1 OPC/day my ill breast was sore all around the tumor, and the healthy breast began to be sensible too. -Next day: all my ill breast was sore and I felt the pain was extending to the arm, I was feeling my other breast heavy, the upper part of my belly was painful (on left and right of the plexus : upper stomach and liver? muscles? I don't know exactly), my back was like after excess of sport, and a pain like a continous cramp under my chin (in the middle of lower jaw) Probably I was wrong but I thought I have to raise the dosage and took 2+2 since then. Effects remained the same for a few days. Then I began using iodine (lugol, painting 2 drops in the morning -even less at the beginning- on my solar chakra): The first day pains elsewhere than my ill breast decreased but during the night a pain in my breast awoke me and I had a diarrhea Next day very tired and again at night I was awaken at 3 by an unconfort in my belly -> diarrhea 3rd day pain in my left incisor and had a few urgent needs to urinate Since the 4th day the bones around my sinus are sensible and some times I feel my ears "stuffy", I'm frequently awaken once in the night between 1 and 4. 13th day: in the evening all my teeth and gums were painful and I had difficulties to sleep 15th (yesterday) all day it was ok untill 11pm I had teeth and gums painful all night long (very bad night) slight cramp under my chin 16th (today) still painfull untill around 11 in the morning. Nevertheless I painted lugol had my first OPC+ sirving in the morning. At 3pm I had the 2nd sirving and since 6pm my teeth and gum begin to be painful (feel better since 8pm) So tonight maybe this problem is decreasing, I hope so because the teeth-gum-jaw-chin pains are really difficult to bear...if not I'll go back to 2+1 It seems that the time when pains appear really depends on the time when I have my second sirving of OPC. In this condition I'm not sure if i'm ready to take lugol orally? Shouldn't I wait until I become confortable with just painting. By the way, 12mg is 2 drops isn't it? Is it better to take it in one or two sirvings? is there a better moment in the day? Thank you Sylviane - May oleander soup Tuesday, March 16, 2010 2:05 AM *** SPAM ***Re: please advise Hi Sylviane,I don't think that you should increase the dosage of OPC while you are still having diarrhea and pains. Are you referring to cramps? Now, the tired feeling could be detoxing. My guess is that you should continue on this dosage until you are feeling better, then slowly increase. If the diarrhea and pains become too much, then go down a dose until you feel better and then increase slowly again. Now, with your description, it is simply that a guess. I welcome Tony and Marc's input as they are far more familiar with oleander and the symptoms than I. The same thing with Inositol/IP6. Start with one and increase gradually. My very best to you, sylviane <sissyv (AT) wanadoo (DOT) fr>oleander soup Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 6:14:38 PMRe: please advise  Hi , Thank you for replying so fast. Yes I take 2 caps twice a day of OPC plus. I had just 1 cap for 5 days, then 1 cap twice a day for 8 days, then 2caps at 1st sirving and 1 at the second sirving for 6 days, and I have been taking 2+2 for 19 days and because of the diarrhea, some pains, and have been feeling very tired lately I thought I shouldn't increase (or not yet), right? Can I ignore the diarrhea or should I stop and start slowly agin after the diarrhea stop or control it another way? I've been reading again (and I'll certainly have to read them again!...) the articles you refered ma to, and I'm still wondering about inositol/IP6 :Should I begin an intensive cure of several monthes at 8 caps and raise to 16 or should I begin with 1 or 2 and raise slowly? Sincerly Sylviane _._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (4) Recent Activity: New Members 10 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Hobbies & Activities Zone: Find others who share your passions! Explore new interests. Hobbies & Activities Zone: Find others who share your passions! Explore new interests. Check out Movies to get a recap of this year's Oscar winners, red carpet looks & nominated film trailers. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Un • Terms of Use .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Hi Sylviane,Experiencing pain at the tumor site when taking Oleander is normal. In fact, it is a good thing as it means that the Oleander is targeting the tumor. As to the other pain that you are experiencing, I really have never heard of this type of reaction. Maybe Tony or Marc can pop in and shed some light on this.Iodine is a very important part of the protocol. Not only should you continue painting, but you should also take it internally, as recommended in A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol.With regard to increasing the dosage of OPC, I would just focus on getting the diarrhea under control. Then, continue to increase gradually.My Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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