Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Hi Brindusa, I was very surprised by your post because Tony's natural anti-cancer protocol includes budwig and oxygen pills (it's th same than H2O2, isn't it?) I would be very interested of Tony or 's opinion about this. Anyway I suscribed to the flaxseedoil2 list and searched for H2O2 I found a lot of posts that say that H2O2 internally is not safe but that's what FDA say... Else I did not find a reason of incompatibility, maybe I should ask there, or do you know what the problem would be? Thanks Sylviane - Brindusa Sburlea oleander soup Tuesday, March 16, 2010 3:13 AM RE: please advise Hi Sylviane, I think that H2O2 is not compatible with Budwig protocol. I learned that on FlaxseedOil2 group. http://health.FlaxSeedOil2/ Brindusa oleander soup From: sissyv (AT) wanadoo (DOT) frDate: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:53:44 +0100 please advise Hello all, I hope some will be able to give me an advice or a helpful feedback as I'm anxious how to control my breast tumor. I suppose the first thing is to introduce the history inshort: Backgroung: When I was younger (around 30) I had a depression treated by official medecine (so you can imagine all the drugs I swallowed at this time! since then I have pb to control my weigth) but I finally resolved with psychotherapy. Now I'm 43. Actual problem: I've been diagnosed a breast tumor 7 years ago. First doctor said it was a "mastose" (not sure in english) due to stress. Radiologist said a tumor to be cut out urgently and analysed to check if cancerous. I didn't go to any doctor with this mamography results and instead consulted a naturopath recomanded by a friend of mine because she has been succesful with lot of serious deseases... She checked with a group of radionicians and they say it was not a cancer and should not be remove, at least not at the moment that my general health was not good. First protocol really helped me with to be in better shape and almost rid me of sinusitis and cystitis that I had so often! Then she kept on changing the treatments as my breast were sometime better sometimes worse but through monthes and years it has been worse: at the beginning I could just feel sth hard and hardly see it in the miror, later the breast was firmer, and after I noticed my breast was smaller and I could see sth and feel like pea. Now on my breast near the nipple I can see like a bean (sometimes it is red) and the skin immediately around is slightly dimpled, and at the limit of the dimpled skin, there is a hollow. (very difficult to describe specially that english is not may mother thongue!) Some symptoms make me fear IBC and untill now neither the naturopath nor myself, seeking on the internet since september, have improve... I was about to decide to see a doctor (the only one near my place recommanded by beljanski organization, with the hope he will use as much as he can non agressive therapy but also I was prepare to go under whatever he says even chemo/radio/surgery), when I read about hydrogen peroxyde. I decided to do a last try with this protocol. Since october I raised until 3 times 25 drops and my breast was better but each time I reduce H2O2, my breast becomes painful, firm, the "bean" turns red, the hollow deeper... I also try to add an enema with H2O2 every day and it helps. So H2O2 helps but doesn't heal... At the end of january I was anxious again when I discovered some natural powerful therapies in Cancer and chose the oleander protocol. I began the budwig cream for breakfast (from 1 flax oil tablespoon, I raised until 3, I feel i couldn't eat more). Then on the first week of febrary I did the liver cleanse, the only point is that I mistook grape with grapefruit so I mixed grape juice with oil last thing before going to bed: I had diarrhea in the evening while taking epsom salt, I slept fine and continue diarrhea the other day, but it didn't really stop. I was on a journey in egypt when I began the OPC plus. Somedays I had diarrhea and others constipation but I didn't know if it was because of the cleanse, because of the food, because of travelling.... One good thing during the stay is that I had, since last year, a pimple that I couldn't get rid of(even whith thuja essential oil or 3% hydrogen peroxyd) on my ches t, and as I was taking grapefruit seed extract in beverages, I rubed some on my pimple and in a few days it made a crust and fell ! Back in France mid-february my breast was bad, I was still on diarrhea, all the same I started vitamin C. On march 1st, I began using lugol (paint my solar chakra with 2 drops). Now I have daily: -1budwig with 6 tablespoon of goat cottage cheese + 3 flaxseed oil (how can I replace when travelling? flaxseed oil caps? how much?) -3 times 2g of vitamin C -2 times 2 caps of OPC plus (I try morning+lunch but somtimes it's too close, when I have morning+evening I sleep bad. NB sometimes I have pain in my teeth or gums or jaw after the 2nd sirving) -1 lugol painting with 2 drops -morning and evening I rub my breast with vitafons onguent + thuja occidentalis essential oil -one minute breast lymphatic massage -2 or 3 times 25drops of H2O2 in a big amount of water + when I can an enema with the same Is there sth else I should add or try instead (was thinking about IP6-inositol,serrapeptase, selenium, but i don't want to swallow billions of pills for nothing or even create negative interaction!) ? Or chage some doses?...or...??? Can I still hope to heal naturally or should I consult this doctor...? If sth is unclear please ask, I'll try to put things in other words... I hope to receive some helpful feedback... Sylviane (from France) Emmenez vos contacts faire un tour. Essayez Messenger version mobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Hi Dory, This is what i found on http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/budwig-diet-what-to-avoid.html : Ozone and similar high-oxygen treatments Excerpted from Dr. Budwig’s Das Fettsyndrom and Der Tod des Tumors and translated by Healing Cancer Naturally © 2006: From Das Fettsyndrom pp. 76 ff.: “Using concentrated oxygen, aerosols, hydrogen peroxide injections and other methods attempting to counter tissue hypoxia or anoxia, numerous attempts are being made nowadays to force the blood into taking up more oxygen. But trying to do so via an unbiological route is the wrong approach. Such methods (often based in financial interest) must lead to setbacks and unfavorable results. Particularly with cancer patients, such approaches are wrong! The question why the blood doesn’t take up sufficient oxygen in the first place is the important issue to address. In animal experimentation*, von Helmholtz, an outstanding physicist and physician, studied the question in-depth whether anoxia caused by the blood’s reduced oxygen acceptance could be remedied via increased oxygen input. He found that with anoxia, forced oxygen input in fact accelerated the animal’s death... What agent is able to rectify the dysfunction apparent in the oxygen absorption of the living organism and bloodstream? ... As everybody knows, flax oil readily accepts oxygen from the air, and its essential fatty acids also act as oxygen acceptors within the biological terrain, in the blood and mucosa. They surround the red blood corpuscles which fulfil the decisive function of oxygen carrier. ... When these vital highly unsaturated fatty acids are absent, respiration and fat combustion will be throttled in animal organisms. The anoxia accompanying cancer requires these highly unsaturated fatty acids to be clearly recognized as the oxygen carriers and mediators that they are. When due to civilized diets, hydrogenation of fats etc. these fatty acids are missing from the blood, the entire bloodstream’s affinity for oyxygen will forcibly be paralyzed, which in turn will result in systemic anoxia affecting all cells, tissues and loci of blood formation.” If you search for subject "oxygen therapy" or simply "oxygen" in advanced search , you"ll find the same explanation given by the moderator of the group: "Dr. Budwig explained in her books, Flax Oil as a True Aid..., and her 1999 book, Cancer - the Problem and the Solution - that cancer begins when the cells are not able to absorb enough oxygen. Simply adding more oxygen does not help the cells to absorb it and can cause problems, maybe even death" If you are reffering to oleander pills in Tony's protocol, they are not the same as H2O2. On the contrary, I understood that they have the same effect as BP. Hope that it helps, Brindusa oleander soup From: sissyvDate: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:15:11 +0100Re: please advise budwig and H2O2 Hi Brindusa, I was very surprised by your post because Tony's natural anti-cancer protocol includes budwig and oxygen pills (it's th same than H2O2, isn't it?) I would be very interested of Tony or 's opinion about this. Anyway I suscribed to the flaxseedoil2 list and searched for H2O2 I found a lot of posts that say that H2O2 internally is not safe but that's what FDA say... Else I did not find a reason of incompatibility, maybe I should ask there, or do you know what the problem would be? Thanks Sylviane - Brindusa Sburlea oleander soup Tuesday, March 16, 2010 3:13 AM RE: please advise Hi Sylviane, I think that H2O2 is not compatible with Budwig protocol. I learned that on FlaxseedOil2 group. http://health.FlaxSeedOil2/ Brindusa oleander soup From: sissyv (AT) wanadoo (DOT) frDate: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:53:44 +0100 please advise Hello all, I hope some will be able to give me an advice or a helpful feedback as I'm anxious how to control my breast tumor. I suppose the first thing is to introduce the history inshort: Backgroung: When I was younger (around 30) I had a depression treated by official medecine (so you can imagine all the drugs I swallowed at this time! since then I have pb to control my weigth) but I finally resolved with psychotherapy. Now I'm 43. Actual problem: I've been diagnosed a breast tumor 7 years ago. First doctor said it was a "mastose" (not sure in english) due to stress. Radiologist said a tumor to be cut out urgently and analysed to check if cancerous. I didn't go to any doctor with this mamography results and instead consulted a naturopath recomanded by a friend of mine because she has been succesful with lot of serious deseases... She checked with a group of radionicians and they say it was not a cancer and should not be remove, at least not at the moment that my general health was not good. First protocol really helped me with to be in better shape and almost rid me of sinusitis and cystitis that I had so often! Then she kept on changing the treatments as my breast were sometime better sometimes worse but through monthes and years it has been worse: at the beginning I could just feel sth hard and hardly see it in the miror, later the breast was firmer, and after I noticed my breast was smaller and I could see sth and feel like pea. Now on my breast near the nipple I can see like a bean (sometimes it is red) and the skin immediately around is slightly dimpled, and at the limit of the dimpled skin, there is a hollow. (very difficult to describe specially that english is not may mother thongue!) Some symptoms make me fear IBC and untill now neither the naturopath nor myself, seeking on the internet since september, have improve... I was about to decide to see a doctor (the only one near my place recommanded by beljanski organization, with the hope he will use as much as he can non agressive therapy but also I was prepare to go under whatever he says even chemo/radio/surgery), when I read about hydrogen peroxyde. I decided to do a last try with this protocol. Since october I raised until 3 times 25 drops and my breast was better but each time I reduce H2O2, my breast becomes painful, firm, the "bean" turns red, the hollow deeper... I also try to add an enema with H2O2 every day and it helps. So H2O2 helps but doesn't heal... At the end of january I was anxious again when I discovered some natural powerful therapies in Cancer and chose the oleander protocol. I began the budwig cream for breakfast (from 1 flax oil tablespoon, I raised until 3, I feel i couldn't eat more). Then on the first week of febrary I did the liver cleanse, the only point is that I mistook grape with grapefruit so I mixed grape juice with oil last thing before going to bed: I had diarrhea in the evening while taking epsom salt, I slept fine and continue diarrhea the other day, but it didn't really stop. I was on a journey in egypt when I began the OPC plus. Somedays I had diarrhea and others constipation but I didn't know if it was because of the cleanse, because of the food, because of travelling.... One good thing during the stay is that I had, since last year, a pimple that I couldn't get rid of(even whith thuja essential oil or 3% hydrogen peroxyd) on my ches t, and as I was taking grapefruit seed extract in beverages, I rubed some on my pimple and in a few days it made a crust and fell ! Back in France mid-february my breast was bad, I was still on diarrhea, all the same I started vitamin C. On march 1st, I began using lugol (paint my solar chakra with 2 drops). Now I have daily: -1budwig with 6 tablespoon of goat cottage cheese + 3 flaxseed oil (how can I replace when travelling? flaxseed oil caps? how much?) -3 times 2g of vitamin C -2 times 2 caps of OPC plus (I try morning+lunch but somtimes it's too close, when I have morning+evening I sleep bad. NB sometimes I have pain in my teeth or gums or jaw after the 2nd sirving) -1 lugol painting with 2 drops -morning and evening I rub my breast with vitafons onguent + thuja occidentalis essential oil -one minute breast lymphatic massage -2 or 3 times 25drops of H2O2 in a big amount of water + when I can an enema with the same Is there sth else I should add or try instead (was thinking about IP6-inositol,serrapeptase, selenium, but i don't want to swallow billions of pills for nothing or even create negative interaction!) ? Or chage some doses?...or...??? Can I still hope to heal naturally or should I consult this doctor...? If sth is unclear please ask, I'll try to put things in other words... I hope to receive some helpful feedback... Sylviane (from France) Emmenez vos contacts faire un tour. Essayez Messenger version mobile Emmenez vos contacts faire un tour. Essayez Messenger version mobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Hi Sylviane, Sorry for my mistake by calling you Dory instead of Sylviane. oleander soup From: sissyvDate: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 23:15:11 +0100Re: please advise budwig and H2O2 Hi Brindusa, I was very surprised by your post because Tony's natural anti-cancer protocol includes budwig and oxygen pills (it's th same than H2O2, isn't it?) I would be very interested of Tony or 's opinion about this. Anyway I suscribed to the flaxseedoil2 list and searched for H2O2 I found a lot of posts that say that H2O2 internally is not safe but that's what FDA say... Else I did not find a reason of incompatibility, maybe I should ask there, or do you know what the problem would be? Thanks Sylviane - Brindusa Sburlea oleander soup Tuesday, March 16, 2010 3:13 AM RE: please advise Hi Sylviane, I think that H2O2 is not compatible with Budwig protocol. I learned that on FlaxseedOil2 group. http://health.FlaxSeedOil2/ Brindusa oleander soup From: sissyv (AT) wanadoo (DOT) frDate: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:53:44 +0100 please advise Hello all, I hope some will be able to give me an advice or a helpful feedback as I'm anxious how to control my breast tumor. I suppose the first thing is to introduce the history inshort: Backgroung: When I was younger (around 30) I had a depression treated by official medecine (so you can imagine all the drugs I swallowed at this time! since then I have pb to control my weigth) but I finally resolved with psychotherapy. Now I'm 43. Actual problem: I've been diagnosed a breast tumor 7 years ago. First doctor said it was a "mastose" (not sure in english) due to stress. Radiologist said a tumor to be cut out urgently and analysed to check if cancerous. I didn't go to any doctor with this mamography results and instead consulted a naturopath recomanded by a friend of mine because she has been succesful with lot of serious deseases... She checked with a group of radionicians and they say it was not a cancer and should not be remove, at least not at the moment that my general health was not good. First protocol really helped me with to be in better shape and almost rid me of sinusitis and cystitis that I had so often! Then she kept on changing the treatments as my breast were sometime better sometimes worse but through monthes and years it has been worse: at the beginning I could just feel sth hard and hardly see it in the miror, later the breast was firmer, and after I noticed my breast was smaller and I could see sth and feel like pea. Now on my breast near the nipple I can see like a bean (sometimes it is red) and the skin immediately around is slightly dimpled, and at the limit of the dimpled skin, there is a hollow. (very difficult to describe specially that english is not may mother thongue!) Some symptoms make me fear IBC and untill now neither the naturopath nor myself, seeking on the internet since september, have improve... I was about to decide to see a doctor (the only one near my place recommanded by beljanski organization, with the hope he will use as much as he can non agressive therapy but also I was prepare to go under whatever he says even chemo/radio/surgery), when I read about hydrogen peroxyde. I decided to do a last try with this protocol. Since october I raised until 3 times 25 drops and my breast was better but each time I reduce H2O2, my breast becomes painful, firm, the "bean" turns red, the hollow deeper... I also try to add an enema with H2O2 every day and it helps. So H2O2 helps but doesn't heal... At the end of january I was anxious again when I discovered some natural powerful therapies in Cancer and chose the oleander protocol. I began the budwig cream for breakfast (from 1 flax oil tablespoon, I raised until 3, I feel i couldn't eat more). Then on the first week of febrary I did the liver cleanse, the only point is that I mistook grape with grapefruit so I mixed grape juice with oil last thing before going to bed: I had diarrhea in the evening while taking epsom salt, I slept fine and continue diarrhea the other day, but it didn't really stop. I was on a journey in egypt when I began the OPC plus. Somedays I had diarrhea and others constipation but I didn't know if it was because of the cleanse, because of the food, because of travelling.... One good thing during the stay is that I had, since last year, a pimple that I couldn't get rid of(even whith thuja essential oil or 3% hydrogen peroxyd) on my ches t, and as I was taking grapefruit seed extract in beverages, I rubed some on my pimple and in a few days it made a crust and fell ! Back in France mid-february my breast was bad, I was still on diarrhea, all the same I started vitamin C. On march 1st, I began using lugol (paint my solar chakra with 2 drops). Now I have daily: -1budwig with 6 tablespoon of goat cottage cheese + 3 flaxseed oil (how can I replace when travelling? flaxseed oil caps? how much?) -3 times 2g of vitamin C -2 times 2 caps of OPC plus (I try morning+lunch but somtimes it's too close, when I have morning+evening I sleep bad. NB sometimes I have pain in my teeth or gums or jaw after the 2nd sirving) -1 lugol painting with 2 drops -morning and evening I rub my breast with vitafons onguent + thuja occidentalis essential oil -one minute breast lymphatic massage -2 or 3 times 25drops of H2O2 in a big amount of water + when I can an enema with the same Is there sth else I should add or try instead (was thinking about IP6-inositol,serrapeptase, selenium, but i don't want to swallow billions of pills for nothing or even create negative interaction!) ? Or chage some doses?...or...??? Can I still hope to heal naturally or should I consult this doctor...? If sth is unclear please ask, I'll try to put things in other words... I hope to receive some helpful feedback... Sylviane (from France) Emmenez vos contacts faire un tour. Essayez Messenger version mobile Emmenez vos contacts faire un tour. Essayez Messenger version mobile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Hi Sylviane,Oxygen is very important when it comes to cells and that is why we recommend Oxy-Gen Capsules. Each capsule contains oxygen and the equivalent of 12 drops of 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide. However, these are derived from magnesium peroxide and pure anaerocidal oxygen. With regard to 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, frankly, I am not well versed in it. I have read the benefits, but that one must exercise caution. For that reason, I have opted for the Oxy-Gen Capsules. Therefore, I cannot answer with certainty if hydrogen peroxide is compatible with Budwig. Although, I personally, I don't know why it wouldn't be. To be on the safe side, I will await Tony's response.As for H202 not being safe to take internally, that is why you must make sure it is food grade.My Best,sylviane <sissyvoleander soup Sent: Tue, March 16, 2010 5:15:11 PMRe: please advise budwig and H2O2 Hi Brindusa, I was very surprised by your post because Tony's natural anti-cancer protocol includes budwig and oxygen pills (it's th same than H2O2, isn't it?) I would be very interested of Tony or 's opinion about this. Anyway I suscribed to the flaxseedoil2 list and searched for H2O2 I found a lot of posts that say that H2O2 internally is not safe but that's what FDA say... Else I did not find a reason of incompatibility, maybe I should ask there, or do you know what the problem would be? Thanks Sylviane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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