Colloidal silver and Pseudomonas bacteria

[Guest guest]

I have been using CS for many years off and on. I have a genetic lung disease

where the cilia do not function which leads to exposure to pathogens that are

not cleared from the natural sweeping effect of cilia. Over the years, the

bacterial infections have become increasingly more severe and resistant to the

most powerful antibiotics. The bugs cause inflammation which destroys the lungs

over time. Pseudomonas is esp. insidious because it forms a film, or slime

coating as it mutates and is impervious to antibioics, and apparently colloidal

silver. I have taken large doses of oral CS and also used it in a nebulizer to

little effect. CS, essential oils, garlic, etc. do not seem to permeate the

biofilm. I have tried everything! I don't want to end up on an O2 tank. I am

taking Oleandar for immunity along w/ many other things, but still have to rely

on antibiotics or I will end up on IV's and in the hosp.

Any ideas? Thank you in advance!

 

Dan

[Guest guest]

oleander soup , " dncrw " <dncrw wrote:

>

> I have been using CS for many years off and on. I have a genetic lung disease

where the cilia do not function which leads to exposure to pathogens that are

not cleared from the natural sweeping effect of cilia. Over the years, the

bacterial infections have become increasingly more severe and resistant to the

most powerful antibiotics. The bugs cause inflammation which destroys the lungs

over time. Pseudomonas is esp. insidious because it forms a film, or slime

coating as it mutates and is impervious to antibioics, and apparently colloidal

silver. I have taken large doses of oral CS and also used it in a nebulizer to

little effect. CS, essential oils, garlic, etc. do not seem to permeate the

biofilm. I have tried everything! I don't want to end up on an O2 tank. I am

taking Oleandar for immunity along w/ many other things, but still have to rely

on antibiotics or I will end up on IV's and in the hosp.

> Any ideas? Thank you in advance!

>

> Dan

>

 

this article may be of interest to you.

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC163833/?report=abstract

Ginseng treatment reduces bacterial load and lung pathology in chronic

Pseudomonas aeruginosa pneumonia in rats.

Z Song, H K Johansen, V Faber, C Moser, A Kharazmi, J Rygaard, and N Høiby

Department of Clinical Microbiology, Rigshospitalet, and Bartholin Instituttet,

Copenhagen, Denmark.

This article has been cited by other articles in PMC.

ABSTRACT

The predominant pathogen in patients with cystic fibrosis (CF) is Pseudomonas

aeruginosa, which results in a chronic lung infection associated with

progressive pulmonary insufficiency. In a rat model of chronic P. aeruginosa

pneumonia mimicking that in patients with CF, we studied whether the

inflammation and antibody responses could be changed by treatment with the

Chinese herbal medicine ginseng. An aqueous extract of ginseng was injected

subcutaneously, and cortisone and saline were used as controls. Two weeks after

challenge with P. aeruginosa, the ginseng-treated group showed a significantly

improved bacterial clearance from the lungs (P < 0.04), less severe lung

pathology (P = 0.05), lower lung abscess incidence (P < 0.01), and fewer mast

cell numbers in the lung foci (P < 0.005). Furthermore, lower total

immunoglobulin G (IgG) levels (P < 0.01) and higher IgG2a levels (P < 0.025) in

serum against P. aeruginosa sonicate and a shift from an acute type to a chronic

type of lung inflammation compared to those in the control and cortisone-treated

groups were observed. These findings indicate that ginseng treatment of an

experimental P. aeruginosa pneumonia in rats promotes a cellular response

resembling a TH1-like response. On the basis of these results it is suggested

that ginseng may have the potential to be a promising natural medicine, in

conjunction with other forms of treatment, for CF patients with chronic P.

aeruginosa lung infection.

[Guest guest]

I know systemic enzymes are very important for inflamation and have used them everyday for the last 2 years with success for various body aches and will continue to take them for the rest of my life. They are wonderful for inflamation and pain. I know nothing personally about your condition, but perhaps you can do a Google search for systemic enzymes. My heart goes out to you and I wish you all the love and health that you deserve.Dave--- On Tue, 3/2/10, dncrw <dncrw wrote:dncrw <dncrw Colloidal silver and Pseudomonas bacteriaoleander soup Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 7:27 PM

 

 

I have been using CS for many years off and on. I have a genetic lung disease where the cilia do not function which leads to exposure to pathogens that are not cleared from the natural sweeping effect of cilia. Over the years, the bacterial infections have become increasingly more severe and resistant to the most powerful antibiotics. The bugs cause inflammation which destroys the lungs over time. Pseudomonas is esp. insidious because it forms a film, or slime coating as it mutates and is impervious to antibioics, and apparently colloidal silver. I have taken large doses of oral CS and also used it in a nebulizer to little effect. CS, essential oils, garlic, etc. do not seem to permeate the biofilm. I have tried everything! I don't want to end up on an O2 tank. I am taking Oleandar for immunity along w/ many other things, but still have to rely on antibiotics or I will end up on IV's and in the hosp.

Any ideas? Thank you in advance!

 

Dan

[Guest guest]

Hello Dan,

It seems you do have your work cut out for you.

I would of hoped your Nebulizer & CS would of help.

My wife suggest ( not a Doctor just an RT) Mucomyst which is a

Mucolytic (Mucus break down) and ad Albuterol.

Acquire an AVI Vest which is covered by insurance. This Percusses your

chest and helps clear the Lungs.

Another couple of Therapies or Protocols are:

1-H2O2 Protocol- 35% Food grade Hydrogen peroxide at 10-15 drops in a

glass of Distilled water everyday or twice a day.

2-Bob Beck Protocol- it just may be a good choice. Just go to:

Beck-blood-electrification

There ya go!

Hope you do well with this cause the Progression of this disease is not

good as you already know.

Prayers for you!

Ron

 

dncrw wrote:

 

 

I have been using CS for many years off and on. I have a genetic

lung disease where the cilia do not function which leads to exposure to

pathogens that are not cleared from the natural sweeping effect of

cilia. Over the years, the bacterial infections have become

increasingly more severe and resistant to the most powerful

antibiotics. The bugs cause inflammation which destroys the lungs over

time. Pseudomonas is esp. insidious because it forms a film, or slime

coating as it mutates and is impervious to antibioics, and apparently

colloidal silver. I have taken large doses of oral CS and also used it

in a nebulizer to little effect. CS, essential oils, garlic, etc. do

not seem to permeate the biofilm. I have tried everything! I don't want

to end up on an O2 tank. I am taking Oleandar for immunity along w/

many other things, but still have to rely on antibiotics or I will end

up on IV's and in the hosp.

Any ideas? Thank you in advance!

 

Dan

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dan,

 

There is one substance which clears lungs from the inside out and it is

called hydrogen peroxide.

 

I am currently on 25 drops of 35% H2O2 3x a day in a glass of water,

just to test out the literature I came across, stating this as the top

dosage. I have no problem with it and it does take phlegm out of not

only the windpipes, but also the alveoli. You would have to start much

lower of course, something like 3 drops twice a day and slowly go up as

it feels right, otherwise you might choke to death on what is comming

out I guess.

 

It has to be drunk on an empty stomach. The very mild cough comes some

5-10 minutes after ingestion, rather wet and rich with mucous.

 

With kind regards, Slavek.

 

 

 

 

dncrw wrote:

>

>

>

> I have been using CS for many years off and on. I have a genetic lung

> disease where the cilia do not function which leads to exposure to

> pathogens that are not cleared from the natural sweeping effect of

> cilia. Over the years, the bacterial infections have become

> increasingly more severe and resistant to the most powerful

> antibiotics. The bugs cause inflammation which destroys the lungs over

> time. Pseudomonas is esp. insidious because it forms a film, or slime

> coating as it mutates and is impervious to antibioics, and apparently

> colloidal silver. I have taken large doses of oral CS and also used it

> in a nebulizer to little effect. CS, essential oils, garlic, etc. do

> not seem to permeate the biofilm. I have tried everything! I don't

> want to end up on an O2 tank. I am taking Oleandar for immunity along

> w/ many other things, but still have to rely on antibiotics or I will

> end up on IV's and in the hosp.

> Any ideas? Thank you in advance!

>

> Dan

>

>

[Guest guest]

I asked on another list and got this answer back:

 

You might want to consider for lung biofilms: DMSO in solution with perhaps CS? (many people add DMSO to the CS in a nebulizing machine because the DMSO carries the CS deeper, penetrates more and has its own healing abilities) And/or Some Fibrinolytic Enzymes to consider to combat biofilms: 1) Nattokinase 2) Serrapeptase 3) lumbrokinase And/or the Chelating agent: EDTA All help can help penetrate or dissolve the biofilm

 

Also, the enzymes should be used in conjunction with a anti-microbial at the same time for a 1-2 punch. Plus I would probably use DMSO to.............. Hopefully to move all along.

[Guest guest]

Doesn't albuterol contain flouride, which is not good for the body?

 

Melly

 

oleander soup , Ron <rw wrote:

>

> Hello Dan,

> It seems you do have your work cut out for you.

> I would of hoped your Nebulizer & CS would of help.

> My wife suggest ( not a Doctor just an RT) Mucomyst which is a Mucolytic

> (Mucus break down) and ad Albuterol.

> Acquire an AVI Vest which is covered by insurance. This Percusses your

> chest and helps clear the Lungs.

> Another couple of Therapies or Protocols are:

> 1-H2O2 Protocol- 35% Food grade Hydrogen peroxide at 10-15 drops in a

> glass of Distilled water everyday or twice a day.

> 2-Bob Beck Protocol- it just may be a good choice. Just go to:

> Beck-blood-electrification

> There ya go!

> Hope you do well with this cause the Progression of this disease is not

> good as you already know.

> Prayers for you!

> Ron

>

> dncrw wrote:

> >

> >

> > I have been using CS for many years off and on. I have a genetic lung

> > disease where the cilia do not function which leads to exposure to

> > pathogens that are not cleared from the natural sweeping effect of

> > cilia. Over the years, the bacterial infections have become

> > increasingly more severe and resistant to the most powerful

> > antibiotics. The bugs cause inflammation which destroys the lungs over

> > time. Pseudomonas is esp. insidious because it forms a film, or slime

> > coating as it mutates and is impervious to antibioics, and apparently

> > colloidal silver. I have taken large doses of oral CS and also used it

> > in a nebulizer to little effect. CS, essential oils, garlic, etc. do

> > not seem to permeate the biofilm. I have tried everything! I don't

> > want to end up on an O2 tank. I am taking Oleandar for immunity along

> > w/ many other things, but still have to rely on antibiotics or I will

> > end up on IV's and in the hosp.

> > Any ideas? Thank you in advance!

> >

> > Dan

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

I did not find that it contains Fluoride unless it's a Secret

ingredient ? Here's what I found for this Bronchodilator :

"Albuterol sulfate has a molecular weight of 576.71 and the molecular

formula (C13H21NO3)2•H2SO4. Albuterol sulfate is a white or practically

white powder, freely soluble in water and slightly soluble in alcohol."

Source-http://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/drugInfo.cfm?id=794

Ron

 

 

tita_mel wrote:

 

 

Doesn't albuterol contain flouride, which is not good for the body?

 

Melly

 

oleander soup ,

Ron <rw wrote:

>

> Hello Dan,

> It seems you do have your work cut out for you.

> I would of hoped your Nebulizer & CS would of help.

> My wife suggest ( not a Doctor just an RT) Mucomyst which is a

Mucolytic

> (Mucus break down) and ad Albuterol.

> Acquire an AVI Vest which is covered by insurance. This Percusses

your

> chest and helps clear the Lungs.

> Another couple of Therapies or Protocols are:

> 1-H2O2 Protocol- 35% Food grade Hydrogen peroxide at 10-15 drops

in a

> glass of Distilled water everyday or twice a day.

> 2-Bob Beck Protocol- it just may be a good choice. Just go to:

> Beck-blood-electrification

> There ya go!

> Hope you do well with this cause the Progression of this disease

is not

> good as you already know.

> Prayers for you!

> Ron

>

> dncrw wrote:

> >

> >

> > I have been using CS for many years off and on. I have a

genetic lung

> > disease where the cilia do not function which leads to

exposure to

> > pathogens that are not cleared from the natural sweeping

effect of

> > cilia. Over the years, the bacterial infections have become

> > increasingly more severe and resistant to the most powerful

> > antibiotics. The bugs cause inflammation which destroys the

lungs over

> > time. Pseudomonas is esp. insidious because it forms a film,

or slime

> > coating as it mutates and is impervious to antibioics, and

apparently

> > colloidal silver. I have taken large doses of oral CS and

also used it

> > in a nebulizer to little effect. CS, essential oils, garlic,

etc. do

> > not seem to permeate the biofilm. I have tried everything! I

don't

> > want to end up on an O2 tank. I am taking Oleandar for

immunity along

> > w/ many other things, but still have to rely on antibiotics

or I will

> > end up on IV's and in the hosp.

> > Any ideas? Thank you in advance!

> >

> > Dan

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dan.

 

I agree with what Renee said about enzymes. And here is an article to prove it.

 

I hope this help you to find a remedy that works for you.

 

Good luck

Hugs Mary

 

http://www.naturalnews.com/028285_enzymes_scars.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Renee

oleander soup

Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:54 AM

Re: Colloidal silver and Pseudomonas bacteria

 

 

 

 

I asked on another list and got this answer back:

 

You might want to consider for lung biofilms: DMSO in solution with perhaps CS? (many people add DMSO to the CS in a nebulizing machine because the DMSO carries the CS deeper, penetrates more and has its own healing abilities) And/or Some Fibrinolytic Enzymes to consider to combat biofilms: 1) Nattokinase 2) Serrapeptase 3) lumbrokinase And/or the Chelating agent: EDTA All help can help penetrate or dissolve the biofilm

 

Also, the enzymes should be used in conjunction with a anti-microbial at the same time for a 1-2 punch. Plus I would probably use DMSO to.............. Hopefully to move all along.

[Guest guest]

Hi Dan,Could you tell me what type of colloidal silver you have used and exactly how much you took daily?

[Guest guest]

- Yes, you know I thought about that right after I sent the message....I

should have specified that I took Mesosilver and more recently, Utopia Silver.

I buy it by the gallon. I was taking 8 TBSP a day when I was acutely ill and

nebbing it 2 x daily. It probably helped keep me from getting sicker, but I

ended up on powerful antibiotics (2 at a time)anyway. The bug is highly

resistant to antibiotics. I have to take the drugs or I could end up in the

hosp. on IV's and barely able to breathe.

 

Dan

 

 

oleander soup , May <luellamay129 wrote:

>

> Hi Dan,

>

> Could you tell me what type of colloidal silver you have used and exactly how

much you took daily?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Dave, for the thoughts and suggestion. I have been on systemic

enzymes for over a year. Didn't notice much benefit for the lungs (may have

reduced some inflammation?)but I'm sure they are helpful in the body.

Thanks again!

 

Dan

 

oleander soup , david mung <davidmungdol wrote:

>

> I know systemic enzymes are very important for inflamation and have used them

everyday for the last 2 years with success for various body aches and will

continue to take them for the rest of my life. They are wonderful for

inflamation and pain. I know nothing personally about your condition, but

perhaps you can do a Google search for systemic enzymes. My heart goes out to

you and I wish you all the love and health that you deserve.

> Dave

>

> --- On Tue, 3/2/10, dncrw <dncrw wrote:

>

> dncrw <dncrw

> Colloidal silver and Pseudomonas bacteria

> oleander soup

> Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 7:27 PM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

>

>

>

I have been using CS for many years off and on. I have a genetic lung

disease where the cilia do not function which leads to exposure to pathogens

that are not cleared from the natural sweeping effect of cilia. Over the years,

the bacterial infections have become increasingly more severe and resistant to

the most powerful antibiotics. The bugs cause inflammation which destroys the

lungs over time. Pseudomonas is esp. insidious because it forms a film, or

slime coating as it mutates and is impervious to antibioics, and apparently

colloidal silver. I have taken large doses of oral CS and also used it in a

nebulizer to little effect. CS, essential oils, garlic, etc. do not seem to

permeate the biofilm. I have tried everything! I don't want to end up on an O2

tank. I am taking Oleandar for immunity along w/ many other things, but still

have to rely on antibiotics or I will end up on IV's and in the hosp.

>

> Any ideas? Thank you in advance!

>

>

>

> Dan

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the suggestion, Slavek. I have also taken H202 off and on over the

years, but not quite that high of dose. I have trouble tolerating the taste

after 10 drops so I will have to space it out more. 25 drops at a time would

make me about gag!I have some and will try it again. Thanks!

 

Dan

 

oleander soup , slavek krepelka <slavek.krepelka

wrote:

>

> Hi Dan,

>

> There is one substance which clears lungs from the inside out and it is

> called hydrogen peroxide.

>

> I am currently on 25 drops of 35% H2O2 3x a day in a glass of water,

> just to test out the literature I came across, stating this as the top

> dosage. I have no problem with it and it does take phlegm out of not

> only the windpipes, but also the alveoli. You would have to start much

> lower of course, something like 3 drops twice a day and slowly go up as

> it feels right, otherwise you might choke to death on what is comming

> out I guess.

>

> It has to be drunk on an empty stomach. The very mild cough comes some

> 5-10 minutes after ingestion, rather wet and rich with mucous.

>

> With kind regards, Slavek.

>

>

>

>

> dncrw wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > I have been using CS for many years off and on. I have a genetic lung

> > disease where the cilia do not function which leads to exposure to

> > pathogens that are not cleared from the natural sweeping effect of

> > cilia. Over the years, the bacterial infections have become

> > increasingly more severe and resistant to the most powerful

> > antibiotics. The bugs cause inflammation which destroys the lungs over

> > time. Pseudomonas is esp. insidious because it forms a film, or slime

> > coating as it mutates and is impervious to antibioics, and apparently

> > colloidal silver. I have taken large doses of oral CS and also used it

> > in a nebulizer to little effect. CS, essential oils, garlic, etc. do

> > not seem to permeate the biofilm. I have tried everything! I don't

> > want to end up on an O2 tank. I am taking Oleandar for immunity along

> > w/ many other things, but still have to rely on antibiotics or I will

> > end up on IV's and in the hosp.

> > Any ideas? Thank you in advance!

> >

> > Dan

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Ron, Thanks so much for the suggestions. I plan on trying the H202, even

though I have taken it before, I will increase the dose. I will research the

Beck device. I have used frequency generators before which did not seem to

help. I have a vest already, but find I do better the old fashioned way, chest

percussion by hand, and postural drainage. I take a substance similar to

Mucomyst (Pulmozyme)that thins secretions. Albuterol I have but it gives me the

jitters so bad!

Thanks again!

Dan

 

oleander soup , Ron <rw wrote:

>

> Hello Dan,

> It seems you do have your work cut out for you.

> I would of hoped your Nebulizer & CS would of help.

> My wife suggest ( not a Doctor just an RT) Mucomyst which is a Mucolytic

> (Mucus break down) and ad Albuterol.

> Acquire an AVI Vest which is covered by insurance. This Percusses your

> chest and helps clear the Lungs.

> Another couple of Therapies or Protocols are:

> 1-H2O2 Protocol- 35% Food grade Hydrogen peroxide at 10-15 drops in a

> glass of Distilled water everyday or twice a day.

> 2-Bob Beck Protocol- it just may be a good choice. Just go to:

> Beck-blood-electrification

> There ya go!

> Hope you do well with this cause the Progression of this disease is not

> good as you already know.

> Prayers for you!

> Ron

>

> dncrw wrote:

> >

> >

> > I have been using CS for many years off and on. I have a genetic lung

> > disease where the cilia do not function which leads to exposure to

> > pathogens that are not cleared from the natural sweeping effect of

> > cilia. Over the years, the bacterial infections have become

> > increasingly more severe and resistant to the most powerful

> > antibiotics. The bugs cause inflammation which destroys the lungs over

> > time. Pseudomonas is esp. insidious because it forms a film, or slime

> > coating as it mutates and is impervious to antibioics, and apparently

> > colloidal silver. I have taken large doses of oral CS and also used it

> > in a nebulizer to little effect. CS, essential oils, garlic, etc. do

> > not seem to permeate the biofilm. I have tried everything! I don't

> > want to end up on an O2 tank. I am taking Oleandar for immunity along

> > w/ many other things, but still have to rely on antibiotics or I will

> > end up on IV's and in the hosp.

> > Any ideas? Thank you in advance!

> >

> > Dan

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the info! I have been on Serrepeptase before, perhaps I should

take it again. I thought about the DMSO but didn't know if it would be safe to

use in the lungs. Will explore it.

You are all very kind.

 

Dan

 

oleander soup , " Maria " <mary1kon wrote:

>

> Hi Dan.

>

> I agree with what Renee said about enzymes. And here is an article to prove

it.

>

> I hope this help you to find a remedy that works for you.

>

> Good luck

> Hugs Mary

>

> http://www.naturalnews.com/028285_enzymes_scars.html

>

-

> Renee

> oleander soup

> Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:54 AM

> Re: Colloidal silver and Pseudomonas bacteria

>

>

>

> I asked on another list and got this answer back:

>

> You might want to consider for lung biofilms:

>

> DMSO in solution with perhaps CS? (many people add DMSO to the CS in

a nebulizing machine because the DMSO carries the CS deeper, penetrates more and

has its own healing abilities)

>

> And/or

>

> Some Fibrinolytic Enzymes to consider to combat biofilms:

>

> 1) Nattokinase

>

> 2) Serrapeptase

>

> 3) lumbrokinase

>

> And/or the

>

> Chelating agent:

>

> EDTA

>

> All help can help penetrate or dissolve the biofilm

>

> Also, the enzymes should be used in conjunction with a anti-microbial

at the same time for a 1-2 punch. Plus I would probably use DMSO to.............

Hopefully to move all along.

>

[Guest guest]

Bless your heart Dan, I am very familiar with pseudomonas and I know how difficult it is to eradicate. The condition that you described reminds me very much of my own mother's and believe me my heart goes out to you.My mother's underlying condition was caused by Bronchiectasis, and if your doctor has not mentioned this, please ask him about it. This was the diagnosis after months of dealing with pseudomonas. Below is a description of the disease and I hope it helps:Bronchiectasis is a rare disease that affects people’s lungs. With bronchiectasis, people’s airways (bronchial tubes) are damaged:

Brochiectasis damages the tiny hairs (cilia) that line the

inside of your airways. Damaged cilia can't do their job of sweeping

dirt and mucus out of your lungs.With bronchiectasis, your airways widen and stretch out. In some

places the airways are so stretched out they form little pockets.

Germs, dust and mucus collect in these pockets and get stuck.After a while the germs, dust and mucus that are stuck in your

airways get infected. Your tiny hairs (cilia) can't sweep them away, so

the infections keep coming back. People with bronchiectasis get many

infections in their airways.

Bronchiectasis creates a vicious cycle; infections in airway pockets

damage your airways, and when your airways are damaged you get more

infections.

Bronchiectasis can’t be cured, but with the right treatment, most people with bronchiectasis can live relatively normal lives.

People with advanced cases of bronchiectasis can have more difficulty with day-to-day activities.My very best to you,

[Guest guest]

RE:<I have been on systemic enzymes for over a year. Didn't notice much benefit for the lungs (may have reduced some inflammation?)but I'm sure they are helpful in the body.>

 

Suggest you try Serrapeptase: http://www.serrapeptase.info.

It sure got heaps of stuff out of my lungs - amongst many other benefits. My breathing improved a great deal and bad coughing (smokers) stopped completely.

I used the Serra Enzyme™ 80,000IU for approx 3 months, and I took them just prior to bed and on waking, between 3-6 capsules a time,whatever I felt like. It also makes my body want to STRETCH & STRETCH when I take it - I find that very interesting.

regards

Kirsty

[Guest guest]

Hey Dan,

I myself shows signs of COPD my Wife says. 25 years of smoking and quit

16 years ago but now paying for it. The Percussing by Hand I bet works

well. I have an Electric Percusser. It was a massager but does well for

the giving the Hands a break. Albuterol I know makes me Jitter Jive

TOO! Xopenex is another great Brochodialator with less side effects.

Now for the h2o2 as you know can taste like Bleach to me if it's too

much. Maybe try 15 drops in 12 oz of distilled 2-3 times a day on an

empty stomach 20 mins prior to food or drink. I first started Nebbing

5-8 cc of 3% dillution 2-3 times a day. It seemed to help me get over a

Bad cold fast. It Freaked out my Wife and she made me stop. But there

is an Older Guy (Bill Munro) 86 years old now

that I believe had cancer 2 times and fought it off each time by

using 3% h2o2 in a Nasal Spray bottle in his mouth as an inhaler. He

has a Youtube Demo how he does it.

Hope this helps,

Ron

 

dncrw wrote:

 

 

Ron, Thanks so much for the suggestions. I plan on trying the

H202, even though I have taken it before, I will increase the dose. I

will research the Beck device. I have used frequency generators before

which did not seem to help. I have a vest already, but find I do better

the old fashioned way, chest percussion by hand, and postural drainage.

I take a substance similar to Mucomyst (Pulmozyme)that thins

secretions. Albuterol I have but it gives me the jitters so bad!

Thanks again!

Dan

 

oleander soup ,

Ron <rw wrote:

>

> Hello Dan,

> It seems you do have your work cut out for you.

> I would of hoped your Nebulizer & CS would of help.

> My wife suggest ( not a Doctor just an RT) Mucomyst which is a

Mucolytic

> (Mucus break down) and ad Albuterol.

> Acquire an AVI Vest which is covered by insurance. This Percusses

your

> chest and helps clear the Lungs.

> Another couple of Therapies or Protocols are:

> 1-H2O2 Protocol- 35% Food grade Hydrogen peroxide at 10-15 drops

in a

> glass of Distilled water everyday or twice a day.

> 2-Bob Beck Protocol- it just may be a good choice. Just go to:

> Beck-blood-electrification

> There ya go!

> Hope you do well with this cause the Progression of this disease

is not

> good as you already know.

> Prayers for you!

> Ron

>

> dncrw wrote:

> >

> >

> > I have been using CS for many years off and on. I have a

genetic lung

> > disease where the cilia do not function which leads to

exposure to

> > pathogens that are not cleared from the natural sweeping

effect of

> > cilia. Over the years, the bacterial infections have become

> > increasingly more severe and resistant to the most powerful

> > antibiotics. The bugs cause inflammation which destroys the

lungs over

> > time. Pseudomonas is esp. insidious because it forms a film,

or slime

> > coating as it mutates and is impervious to antibioics, and

apparently

> > colloidal silver. I have taken large doses of oral CS and

also used it

> > in a nebulizer to little effect. CS, essential oils, garlic,

etc. do

> > not seem to permeate the biofilm. I have tried everything! I

don't

> > want to end up on an O2 tank. I am taking Oleandar for

immunity along

> > w/ many other things, but still have to rely on antibiotics

or I will

> > end up on IV's and in the hosp.

> > Any ideas? Thank you in advance!

> >

> > Dan

> >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

I there a product that contains fibronolytic, pancreatic, systemic, digestive

enzymes in one pill or capsule? If none, then which is the best serrapeptase

with nattokinase product? Thanks.

 

Melly

 

oleander soup , " dncrw " <dncrw wrote:

>

>

> Thanks for all the info! I have been on Serrepeptase before, perhaps I should

take it again. I thought about the DMSO but didn't know if it would be safe to

use in the lungs. Will explore it.

> You are all very kind.

>

> Dan

>

> oleander soup , " Maria " <mary1kon@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Dan.

> >

> > I agree with what Renee said about enzymes. And here is an article to prove

it.

> >

> > I hope this help you to find a remedy that works for you.

> >

> > Good luck

> > Hugs Mary

> >

> > http://www.naturalnews.com/028285_enzymes_scars.html

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > -

> > Renee

> > oleander soup

> > Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:54 AM

> > Re: Colloidal silver and Pseudomonas bacteria

> >

> >

> >

> > I asked on another list and got this answer back:

> >

> > You might want to consider for lung biofilms:

> >

> > DMSO in solution with perhaps CS? (many people add DMSO to the CS

in a nebulizing machine because the DMSO carries the CS deeper, penetrates more

and has its own healing abilities)

> >

> > And/or

> >

> > Some Fibrinolytic Enzymes to consider to combat biofilms:

> >

> > 1) Nattokinase

> >

> > 2) Serrapeptase

> >

> > 3) lumbrokinase

> >

> > And/or the

> >

> > Chelating agent:

> >

> > EDTA

> >

> > All help can help penetrate or dissolve the biofilm

> >

> > Also, the enzymes should be used in conjunction with a

anti-microbial at the same time for a 1-2 punch. Plus I would probably use DMSO

to............. Hopefully to move all along.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-

Yes, you are right. I have bronchiectasis, and yes, it is terrible. Do you know

what caused it in your mother? Pseudo needs a weakened lung before it can take

up residence. I fully intend to keep fighting it, but it often seems like it's

getting the best of me. There are some new antibiotics in the pipeline which

may help buy some time. I know everyone here probably hates the thought of

these drugs, but they have saved many lives.

Thank you for your ongoing kindness.

 

Dan

 

oleander soup , May <luellamay129 wrote:

>

> Bless your heart Dan, I am very familiar with pseudomonas and I know how

difficult it is to eradicate. The condition that you described reminds me very

much of my own mother's and believe me my heart goes out to you.

>

> My mother's underlying condition was caused by Bronchiectasis, and if your

doctor has not mentioned this, please ask him about it. This was the diagnosis

after months of dealing with pseudomonas.

>

> Below is a description of the disease and I hope it helps:

>

>

> Bronchiectasis is a rare disease that affects people’s lungs.

> With bronchiectasis, people’s airways (bronchial tubes) are damaged:

> * Brochiectasis damages the tiny hairs (cilia) that line the

> inside of your airways. Damaged cilia can't do their job of sweeping

> dirt and mucus out of your lungs.

> * With bronchiectasis, your airways widen and stretch out. In some

> places the airways are so stretched out they form little pockets.

> Germs, dust and mucus collect in these pockets and get stuck.

> * After a while the germs, dust and mucus that are stuck in your

> airways get infected. Your tiny hairs (cilia) can't sweep them away, so

> the infections keep coming back. People with bronchiectasis get many

> infections in their airways.

> Bronchiectasis creates a vicious cycle; infections in airway pockets

> damage your airways, and when your airways are damaged you get more

> infections.

> Bronchiectasis can’t be cured, but with the right treatment, most people

with bronchiectasis can live relatively normal lives.

> People with advanced cases of bronchiectasis can have more difficulty with

day-to-day activities.

>

> My very best to you,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dan,No I don't know what caused my mom's bronchiectasis. I do know the condition is rare. Besides her, and we found out about it in 2002, you are the only other person that I have heard of with this condition. My mom never smoked, so I cannot attribute it to that. Now, in my mother's case (and I don't know if this is how bronchiectasis progresses, or if it was a separate issue), she developed fibroid tumors in her lungs, and this is what took her. I did not find out about the tumors until she was put on hospice, and it was virtually too late to address this. Hers is a long story, and the doctors weren't always honest with me, or they didn't know what exactly was going on. You may want to talk to your doctor and see if this is a possibility. If

it is a possibility, I would strongly suggest taking oleander. Oleander addresses irregular cells. And Marc Swanepoel would be able to guide you as to the proper dosage for a condition such as this. Even taking antibiotics, I would not stop taking colloidal silver or even nebulizing with it and someone suggested nebulizing with DMSO and colloidal silver, which is a good idea. DMSO helps colloidal silver penetrate into the tissues.Dan, I know how very ill someone with bronchiectasis gets, but don't let it get the best of you and keep fighting. You know, there is always an answer, we just have to find it. Let me do some research and see what I can come up with.Please know that we are here for you, and we are also here to support you emotionally. My Best,

[Guest guest]

Kirsty-

 

Thank a lot for the info, and for sharing. I took Serrapeptase for quite some

time, did not notice anything profound and eventually stopped it. Have you

heard of an enzyme called Mucolase? It specifically breaks down mucus. I also

took it for several months, again not noticing anything profound. I did buy a

bottle of Serrapeptase and will give it another shot. My condition is very

chronic/progressive so things don't seem to work as well as they do in others.

Glad you had good results!

 

Dan

 

oleander soup , " Rare Earth " <kirsty wrote:

>

> RE:<I have been on systemic enzymes for over a year. Didn't notice much

benefit for the lungs (may have reduced some inflammation?)but I'm sure they are

helpful in the body.>

>

> Suggest you try Serrapeptase: http://www.serrapeptase.info.

> It sure got heaps of stuff out of my lungs - amongst many other benefits. My

breathing improved a great deal and bad coughing (smokers) stopped completely.

> I used the Serra EnzymeT 80,000IU for approx 3 months, and I took them just

prior to bed and on waking, between 3-6 capsules a time,whatever I felt like. It

also makes my body want to STRETCH & STRETCH when I take it - I find that very

interesting.

>

> regards

> Kirsty

>

[Guest guest]

Dan -

I don't know if anyone has yet mentioned this, but there is a product that we recommend highly which we have both personally used with great success for bronchial infections in combination with nebulizing with colloidal silver and lobelia:

ClearLungs Extra Strength

When you use our group discount code of LR001 it only costs about $15 a bottle.

It is an original Chinese herbal formula which promotes clear lungs and free breathing.

IngredientsHoelen - Balances fluids and supports healthy respiratory membranes.Dong Quai - Tonic and blood builder.Ophiopogon - Balances fluids, supports healthy respiratory membranes.Scute - Supports healthy tissue.Platycodon - Supports a healthy immune system.Citrus - Supports the lungs and circulatory system.Morus Root - Supports normal tissue repair.Fritillary - Supports normal tissue repair.Chinese Asparagus root - Supports proper lung function.Almonds - Supports proper fluid balance.Gardenia - Supports proper lung and liver function.Schizandra - Helps support normal mucus secretion.Licorice - Supports the adrenal glands.

It might well be worth a try.

All the best,

oleander soup , "dncrw" <dncrw wrote:>> -> Yes, you are right. I have bronchiectasis, and yes, it is terrible. Do you know what caused it in your mother? Pseudo needs a weakened lung before it can take up residence. I fully intend to keep fighting it, but it often seems like it's getting the best of me. There are some new antibiotics in the pipeline which may help buy some time. I know everyone here probably hates the thought of these drugs, but they have saved many lives.> Thank you for your ongoing kindness.> > Dan

[Guest guest]

RE:<I did buy a bottle of Serrapeptase and will give it another shot.>

 

Did you take it on an empty tummy? I really made a big effort to do that. I would even take a few capsules if I woke in the middle of the night, when I knew there was nothing else inside for it to be used up on. I would take more capsules when I knew I was empty :-) - like 6-8 or so.

 

The Serrapeptase also totally got rid of a lump I had on my ankle that was extremely sore and growing up the bone in my leg. I couldn't flex my ankle without pain. Scan show there was a blood supply to the lump. Think it was a tumor but never had a biopsy (needle phobia). It had been there for about 5 years and was starting to grow quite rapidly up my leg, painful to touch. It's completely gone now.

 

regardsKirsty

[Guest guest]

Hi Kirsty,Needle phobia is good. Biopsies sometimes actually spread the cancer to other parts of the body, as does surgery.My Best,