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-Thanks for the warm welcome. I tried to reply on the !groups page and didn't see it post, so this may be a duplication post. Crossed wires and such.The doctor took my mom, age 72, off Cytoxin and Mesna because it was time in her estimation. She had been on it for a good year (9 -12 months being the norm). And moved onto Asathioprine for the next stage of treatment to stop the auto-immune system from attacking itself. Asathioprine has been stopped now because of the liver cancer diagnosis. Based on more test results, her oncologist is stating 3-6 months and it spread from the pancreas cancer.Would anyone her know of a health practitioner in Queens, NY or NYC, that has worked with Sutherlandia OPC? While we have an oncologist, I'm not certain they would be open to alt therapies. Sutherlandia OPC hasn't been FDA

approved, no? Are there med pub studies or similar, that I can use to prove the usefulness to the oncologist as well as the family?A family member is seeing this as quality of life before my mom passes and trying to make her comfortable. They see it as a death sentence and thus they want my mom to be as happy as possibly towards the end. Meaning: ice cream, soda, not a strict diet, no throwing up, etc. All possibilities with the Budwig diet and Sutherlandia OPC, no? Do any of you have suggestions how to approach this?It seems that the patient must be on the Budwig diet and Sutherlandia OPC for life to keep the cancer at bay. Is that true as well?Sorry for the long letter. And I hope my questions are ok for this forum.Thanks.

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Hi Jeff,Oleander has gone through FDA Phase I clinical trials. Much of the research was performed by Dr. Robert A. Newman at M. D. Anderson in Houston, Texas. A list of Dr. Newman's studies are found in the link below:/Newman_Studies.htmI would like to stress that nobody accept a doctor's prognosis as a death sentence. Many who have used Oleander and followed the protocol have vastly exceeded their doctor's predictions. And attempting

to make her happy by feeding her sugar and all the wrong things is a mistake. These foods will, no doubt, help feed the cancer. What I am saying is do not give up. If the doctor said 3 to 6 months, you have plenty of working room to turn the cancer around. Is your mom under your care where you have control? As for family members, if they are convinced that your mom has limited time, what is the harm in doing everything possible naturally to extend her life? Would this not be a better option? To know that there is hope? And, if not, what would they have to lose? They may be pleasantly surprised by following the protocol. Let me give you another link with regard to how Oleander works against pancreatic cancer:/autophagy.htmOffhand, I do not know of a health practitioner that works with oleander, but they are

around. I would do a search for holistic practitioners. And it is possible that your oncologist will not be at all open to using oleander and alternative measures, even if she believes there is no hope. Sadly, even those few that recognize alternative measures are afraid to cooperate for fear of losing their license. Me? I would just give her the Oleander and ask Marc Swanepoel for advice. He is the manufacturer of Sutherlandia OPC and Rose Laurel OPC Plus, and he will not steer you wrong. I cannot tell you that oleander and Budwig will do the job while eating sugar and junk, as it may not. You cannot expect to heal, no matter what you do, while pumping your body with any type of poison. At this point, she would have to follow the protocol, and I strongly suggest all of it, including diet. She needs to nourish her body, not help it to waste away. She should eat as much raw food as

possible, more vegetables than fruit because of the sugar content. You may also want to look into juicing. This will also give her body the nutrients it needs and will help her body to heal.And yes, should she be successful in reversing the cancer where she becomes cancer free, it is necessary to take oleander for an extended period of time to make sure that the cancer does not return. In fact, Tony recommends that it be taken indefinitely. Both of us take oleander as a preventative. And should she become cancer free, it is imperative to continue with a healthy diet, as going back to sugars and such is pretty much a guarantee for the cancer to return.In the end Jeff, your mom can have quality of life, but not just by making her happy feeding her comfort foods. She can have true quality of life that includes improved health and a prolonged life. I think that your family would think that

implementing all these measures including providing a proper diet (which is the foundation) would be worth it.One more question. Has your mom been put on hospice?Please let me know how you come out.My Best,

 

 

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Hi -Thanks for all your information and suggestions. My mom is not on hospice. Yet. She's still in the hospital. Why do you ask? The final test results are still not in, but I'm pretty sure they feel it's Pancreatic cancer, spread to the Liver and they won't do anything and recommend hospice.I had a long talk with my sibling. The point and I believe my mom and sibling are similar in thought is they want to live life to it's fullest. For example, if they want soda, they'll drink it. Chocolate, they'll eat it. Pig, beef, etc. They want to enjoy it. If having dietary restrictions limits their enjoyment, then why bother.It's extremely frustrating for me. I can try and persuade her to eat the cottage cheese/flax oil but I am 99% sure my mom will get tired of it and won't want to cut out the sugar. My philosophy and theirs are entirely

different.I would try to give my mom the Oleander without her knowledge but I am concerned about the blood clots. The dr just mentioned today that it's possible she could get them in her legs and arms. So, Comoudin is important for her.Thanks again for your help. I'm just at a loss and I think I might have to accept that I can't try any alternatives with her. For this seemed liked the best chance she would get.--- On Sun, 2/7/10, May <luellamay129 wrote: May <luellamay129Re: liver cancer, maybe pancreatic cancer, a-fiboleander soup Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 1:34 PM

 

 

Hi Jeff,Oleander has gone through FDA Phase I clinical trials. Much of the research was performed by Dr. Robert A. Newman at M. D. Anderson in Houston, Texas. A list of Dr. Newman's studies are found in the link below:http://www.tbyil. com/Newman_ Studies.htmI would like to stress that nobody accept a doctor's prognosis as a death sentence. Many who have used Oleander and followed the protocol have vastly exceeded their doctor's predictions. And attempting

to make her happy by feeding her sugar and all the wrong things is a mistake. These foods will, no doubt, help feed the cancer. What I am saying is do not give up. If the doctor said 3 to 6 months, you have plenty of working room to turn the cancer around. Is your mom under your care where you have control? As for family members, if they are convinced that your mom has limited time, what is the harm in doing everything possible naturally to extend her life? Would this not be a better option? To know that there is hope? And, if not, what would they have to lose? They may be pleasantly surprised by following the protocol. Let me give you another link with regard to how Oleander works against pancreatic cancer:http://www.tbyil. com/autophagy. htmOffhand, I do not know of a health practitioner that works with

oleander, but they are

around. I would do a search for holistic practitioners. And it is possible that your oncologist will not be at all open to using oleander and alternative measures, even if she believes there is no hope. Sadly, even those few that recognize alternative measures are afraid to cooperate for fear of losing their license. Me? I would just give her the Oleander and ask Marc Swanepoel for advice. He is the manufacturer of Sutherlandia OPC and Rose Laurel OPC Plus, and he will not steer you wrong. I cannot tell you that oleander and Budwig will do the job while eating sugar and junk, as it may not. You cannot expect to heal, no matter what you do, while pumping your body with any type of poison. At this point, she would have to follow the protocol, and I strongly suggest all of it, including diet. She needs to nourish her body, not help it to waste away. She should eat as much raw food as

possible, more vegetables than fruit because of the sugar content. You may also want to look into juicing. This will also give her body the nutrients it needs and will help her body to heal.And yes, should she be successful in reversing the cancer where she becomes cancer free, it is necessary to take oleander for an extended period of time to make sure that the cancer does not return. In fact, Tony recommends that it be taken indefinitely. Both of us take oleander as a preventative. And should she become cancer free, it is imperative to continue with a healthy diet, as going back to sugars and such is pretty much a guarantee for the cancer to return.In the end Jeff, your mom can have quality of life, but not just by making her happy feeding her comfort foods. She can have true quality of life that includes improved health and a prolonged life. I think that your family would think that

implementing all these measures including providing a proper diet (which is the foundation) would be worth it.One more question. Has your mom been put on hospice?Please let me know how you come out.My Best,

 

 

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Hi Jeff,I just wanted to get a proper perspective as to your mom's status.The thing is, that in order to address cancer, you can't go halfway. You have got to fight it with everything you have and this demands a change in one's overall lifestyle. You cannot leave one stone unturned. Just sneaking her oleander may not do it and you may be fighting a losing battle. She must be a willing participant in her own healing.Does she understand that her life is at stake? And is temporary "quality" of life that important to her, to throw away any chance at prolonging her very life? Frankly, a diet full of sugar and comfort foods is a recipe for poor health for anyone. In her case, she should realize that this diet is feeding her cancer.What is

her state of mind? Has she accepted the doctor's prognosis and just wants to be as "happy" as possible until she passes? This is very important. Yet, maybe she can understand that it does not have to be that way, but she must give it a fighting chance, and in doing so, she must make drastic changes to her eating habits, not just temporarily, but permanently.My heart goes out to you. You must feel as though you have your hands tied behind your back. My last question is, could she possibly be depressed? Is she a widow? If so, is she still grieving wanting to possibly join her husband? Not knowing her, all these questions come to mind and I am trying to touch on all the possibilities.Right now, I think the best course of action would be to sit down with her and have a heart-to-heart. Bottom line......... Would she rather live? And my opinion is that with three to six

months left, she has a fighting chance. People on this forum have lived years past their doctor's expectations, but they have done all it takes to address the cancer and this has included changing every aspect of their lifestyle, most important of which is diet.With regard to your concern on taking oleander with coumadin, I am going to repost Marc Swanepoel's reply that he posted a few days ago."The oleandrin and the other cardiac glycosides in oleander are not water soluble. Therefore, a properly filtered water extract of oleander (like the S/OPC) contains only trace amounts of these substances. I have had one case where a young lady misunderstood her doctor and took half a bottle of the liquid (the equivalent of 30 capsules) at one time. She experienced arrhythmia and was taken up at the local hospital for overnight observation but was 100% ok by the next day. A typical dosage of 3 capsules (or 15ml) contain roughly 1/40th

the amount of cardiac glycosides that one would find in Digoxin (digitalis) and is thus relatively harmless. Most, if not all, the articles on the internet about oleander refer to RAW OLEANDER and NOT to a filtered hot water extract that has been boiled for many hours. Most of the cardiac glycosides that are not destroyed by the heat, are filtered out and the trace amounts have a beneficial effect. The blood-thinning effect is accordingly very slight and one should only be concerned if one is having a major operation where the slightest internal bleeding could be a problem. Of course, it is for the same reason that oleandrin and the other glycosides can NOT be the only reason why oleander is so effective against cancer. The trace amounts found in the water extract are simply not enough to explain the anti-cancer activity adequately."Tony is here to answer any questions with regard to these concerns, and Marc, the manufacturer of both

Sutherlandia OPC and Rose Laurel OPC Plus, will also be able to give his input.I wish you my best Jeff. See if you can have a heart-to-heart with your mom. I know that it may not be possible to implement these alternatives while she is in the hospital, but once home, if she is a willing participant, you both can fight it with all you've got.

 

 

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Hi -Yes. You're preaching to the choir. Unfortunately, my mom is confused a lot and is not the person to embrace anything full tilt much less alternative therapies. And likes her comfort foods too much.She has been depressed for a lot of her life so her state of mind is not very positive. She was just told today about her the cancer. She didn't know. The DR confirmed that it's coming from the pancreas to the liver. And probably elsewhere in the body. She was upset but it's still knew to her and nobody mentioned 3-6 months. She's waiting for other medical treatments to come. I didn't have it in my heart to mention timeframe since she just got the worst news of her life as she put it.I did get my mom to try the cottage cheese and flax seed oil. But she didn't want anymore when tasting it. Only with ice cream was I able to get her to

eat more.I want to try the Oleander, but as I said before I'm very concerned about her clotting. The last thing I want to do it cause her death. And since she will be at home without a Dr. seeing her daily, just a nurse once a day, it's precarious, to me. I know you posted what Marc said about the clotting. But it is a great concern to me and my sibling still.I am trying to pursue the Budwig diet, Oleander maybe, and Tony mentioned Black Caraway seed oil elsewhere. I also read about corn meal. But, I am worn down and seeing that I'm losing the fight. I think if I had an MD who would recommend this, she might be more on board, as would my sibling.Thanks for your answers and support.

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Hi Jeff,Please disregard the mention that I made to the 3 to 6 month span. There is another member with the almost identical circumstance as yours and I blended the two together. The good news is that the doctor did not say she was terminal. Am I correct in assuming this? And in her frame of mind it is not advisable to mention any "time left." One must be as positive and optimistic as possible. What she needs is hope.With regard to the oleander, you may try to find a holistic practitioner, or a Doctor of Naturopathy in your area who may be familiar with oleander. They would be able to guide you with regard to its use. There are some out there.Would it be possible to explain to your mother that these alternative measures are needed in

order to save her life, and you can mention that people on our forum using the entire protocol are doing well. Some have surpassed their doctor's predictions by a few years.Black Cumin Oil (Nigella Sativa)CurcuminInositol/IP6Colloidal silverIodine SupplementationSeleniumAnd please look at A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol for other supplements just as important.Again, I feel your frustration, but I must emphasize the importance of a proper diet. This is the very foundation. Sugar is poison and cancer feeds on sugar. Even implementing some of the protocol it would be like taking one step forward and two steps back. This news is new to her and I understand how this may have devastated her. Yet, maybe you can offer hope. But, again, she has to be a willing participant in her healing.My Best,

 

 

 

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