liver cancer, maybe pancreatic cancer, a-fib

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hello all-

 

I am new to the group and will try and go thru everything but because timeliness

is an issue I am posting this message now.

 

My mother has been diagnosed with Liver cancer (they did a biopsy of the liver).

They found a mass in her liver and in her Pancreas. We are still waiting on

tests regarding the pancreas mass and they have not given her a time frame yet

nor a solution (but it does seem like they are thinking to do nothing at this

point).

 

A little background history. She has been taking cytoxin and mesna for the last

year because of Glomerulonephritis (the oncologist and renal doctor said that

these medicines didn't contribute to the liver cancer). As well as Predisone.

She is now off of those meds and taking Asathioprine (Imuran). She was diagnosed

with Sjogren's Disease about 11 years ago.

 

She has also gone into A-fib and thus takes Comudin.

 

I'm considering using Oleander and Budwig. But am concerned about the toxicity

and the Comudin interaction/problem. Can anyone help or comment?

 

Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated. Thanks!!!

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We would like to welcome you to the group.Okay........ You have some questions here, that I may have difficulty answering and I am hoping that Dr. Lanphier, Dr. Goebel, and Marc Swanepoel will help me out.With regard to taking Oleander and coumadin, it can be done. But one should exercise caution, preferably under the supervision of a health practitioner. I am going to copy an excerpt from a prior post made by Tony:When it

comes contraindications, the fact that oleander contains small amounts

of cardiac glycosides which cross assay with digoxin/digitalis make it

advisable to use caution if one is taking other cardiac glycosides

or any blood thinners such as Wayfarin/Coumadin. It should be pointed

out though that the amount of cardiac glycosides in a regular dose of

oleander extracts such as as discussed in this forum are about 1/4oth

the amount in digoxin/digitalis.I am trying to use the search feature to get Marc's prior response on this subject, but to no avail so far. (Hang on folks, we are working on the new and improved forum where this will not be a problem.) So I am asking Marc to jump in here and clarify how Sutherlandia OPC and Rose Laurel OPC is filtered, thereby reducing the cardiac glycosides. But by all means, please do incorporate the Budwig Diet, together with as much of A Natural Anti-Cancer Protocol as possible. It is very important to not rely on just one method to when combating cancer. We must use every possible means in order to both fight cancer and strengthen the immune system, the means by which cancer entered the body in the first place. Not that I personally advocate any type of chemo (and actually it is a personal decision) but I am

curious as to why the doctor took her off cytoxin and mesna. Was it due to side effects? In any event, the drug she is on now, Asathioprine, may result in future cancer. Did your doctor go over this with you? I am going to include the following link so that you can be informed as to the side effects of this drug. You may want to discuss this information with her doctor.http://health./rheumatoidarthritis-medications/azathioprine/healthwise--d00024a1.htmlI really wish I could be of more help, but I am sure others will come in with specific answers to your questions.My Best,

 

 

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The oleandrin and the other cardiac glycosides in

oleander are not water soluble. Therefore, a properly filtered water

extract of oleander (like the S/OPC) contains only trace amounts of

these substances. I have had one case where a young lady misunderstood

her doctor and took half a bottle of the liquid (the equivalent of 30

capsules) at

one time. She experienced arrhythmia and was taken up at the

local hospital for overnight observation but was 100% ok by the next

day.  A typical dosage of 3 capsules (or 15ml) contain roughly 1/40th

the amount

of cardiac glycosides that one would find in Digoxin (digitalis) and is

thus relatively harmless.  Most, if not all, the articles on the

internet about oleander refer to RAW OLEANDER and NOT to a filtered hot

water extract that has been boiled for many hours. Most of the cardiac

glycosides that are not destroyed by the heat, are filtered out and the

trace amounts have a beneficial effect. The blood-thinning effect

is accordingly very slight and one should only be

concerned if one is having a major operation where the slightest

internal bleeding could be a problem. Of

course, it is for the same reason that oleandrin and the other

glycosides can NOT be the only reason why oleander is so effective

against cancer. The trace amounts found in the water extract are simply

not enough to explain the anti-cancer activity adequately.

 

In the case of lung cancer, the major problem with chemo and radiation

is the possibility of congestive heart failure. Both the chemo and the

radiation will weaken the heart muscle and there is always the danger

that one will stabilize the cancer and gradually reverse it at he price

of eventual heart failure. One should ensure that the doctors take

extra care to prevent this eventuality.

 

Marc Swanepoel

 

On 2010/02/06 07:19 PM, May wrote:

 

 

We

would like to welcome you to the group.

 

Okay........  You have some questions here, that I may have difficulty

answering and I am hoping that Dr. Lanphier, Dr. Goebel, and Marc

Swanepoel will help me out.

 

With regard to taking Oleander and coumadin, it can be done.  But one

should exercise caution, preferably under the supervision of a health

practitioner.  I am going to copy an excerpt from a prior post made by

Tony:

 

When it

comes contraindications, the fact that oleander contains small amounts

of cardiac glycosides which cross assay with digoxin/digitalis make it

advisable to use caution if one is taking other cardiac glycosides

or any blood thinners such as Wayfarin/Coumadin.  It should be pointed

out though that the amount of cardiac glycosides in a regular dose of

oleander extracts such as as discussed in this forum are about 1/4oth

the amount in digoxin/digitalis.

 

 

I am trying to use the search feature to get Marc's prior

response on this subject, but to no avail so far.  (Hang on folks, we

are working on the new and improved forum where this will not be a

problem.)  So I am asking Marc to jump in here and clarify how

Sutherlandia OPC and Rose Laurel OPC is filtered, thereby reducing the

cardiac glycosides. 

 

But by all means, please do incorporate the Budwig Diet, together with

as much of A Natural Anti-Cancer

Protocol as possible.  It is very important to not rely on just one

method to when combating cancer.  We must use every possible means in

order to both fight cancer and strengthen the immune system, the means

by which cancer entered the body in the first place. 

 

Not that I personally advocate any type of chemo (and actually it is a

personal decision) but I am curious as to why the doctor took her off

cytoxin and mesna.  Was it due to side effects?  In any event, the drug

she is on now, Asathioprine, may result in future cancer.  Did your

doctor go over this with you?  I am going to include the following link

so that you can be informed as to the side effects of this drug.  You

may want to discuss this information with her doctor.

 

http://health./rheumatoidarthritis-medications/azathioprine/healthwise--d00024a1.html

 

I really wish I could be of more help, but I am sure others will come

in with specific answers to your questions.

 

My Best,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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