RE: High dose IV vitamin c - Steve Norton

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I keep reading your post, and then the ad for the oral Vitamin C, but I'm confused. You say 5 grams of the oral is the equivalent to 50 grams IV, but the ad seems to imply that it is the equivalent to the IV, but not 10 times better. Was it a typo, or am I missing something? Thanks. Jan--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Norton, Steve <stephen.norton wrote:

Norton, Steve <stephen.nortonRE: High dose IV vitamin coleander soup Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 1:16 PM

 

 

Tamaki,

 

If your father can take medicine orally, it would be less expensive to have him take liposomal encapsulated Vitamin C rather than a Vitamin C IV. The results of Dr. Thomas Levy, M.D was independently verified (see below) showing that 5 GRAMS of the LET-type vitamin C (taken orally) yields results comparable to 50 GRAMS OF IV ADMINISTERED vitamin C. There is a new lower cost source for liposomal encapsulated Vitamin C. Bill Henderson's Cancer Free newsletter mentions this new, inexpensive source of Liposomal vitamin C. It is softgels and the cost works out to about 30 cents per gram, versus $1.33 per gram from Livon Labs. See:

http://www.healthyi tems.com/ liposomal- vitamin-C- p/620.htm

 

- Steve

 

http://alobar. livejournal. com/3346670. html

“We are Euphoric...almost. ..over our enthusiasm regarding a substance which became available about 24 months ago---and since subjected to a number of different evaluations.

While the actual materials are not (essentially) modified in chemical or biological essence..... the FORM of delivery is GREATLY improved and we have enjoyed ASTONISHING results among all of our principal investigators evaluating these materials. These research evaluations revolved around substances yielded by a process called Liposomal Encapsulated Technology (LET). All of our evaluations involved either Liposomal Encapsulated GSH or Liposomal Encapsulated Vitamin C. A majority of our experimental cases involved LET-based Vitamin C.

About six months ago, inspired by the very recent (last 15 months) documented research of Dr. Thomas Levy, M.D., and associates, we endeavored to prosecute some evaluations of our own.......which centered on vitamin C encapsulated by phospholipid liposomes. The actual material we utilized was obtained from representatives of a firm holding some exclusive procedural patents (Livon), but there are, probably, others now available... ..especially with the proclivities of firms for circumventing existing patents. The material is called "Smart" Lyco-Spheric Nano-Spheres. The principal characteristic which enables the substance to yield such outstanding results, springs from its ability to present both in the blood stream and the inter-cellular environments- ---simultaneousl y. I could hardly believe Dr. Levy's original claims as to results they achieved. To wit: That the ORAL ingestion of this "Vitamin C on

Steroids" as the hype had pronounced it-----turned out (at least for us), to be ...EXACTLY THAT. E.G. 5 GRAMS of the LET-type vitamin C (taken orally) did, indeed, yield results comparable to 50 GRAMS OF IV ADMINISTERED vitamin C. We were, simply, ASTOUNDED... by this result.â€

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 1/24/10, mind_spotless <passerina (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

mind_spotless <passerina (AT) gmail (DOT) com> High dose IV vitamin coleander soupSunday, January 24, 2010, 12:57 PM

Hi. My father tried chemo to stop the growth of his cancer metastasized to his liver, lymph node, and lung. His original cancer was in his stomach, and he had a total gastrectomy. His side effects got worse and worse over time, and he finally told his doctor that he is too weak to continue. The blood test and CT both showed that his cancer got worse. He also tried to stick with Tony's anti-cancer protocol as much as possible, but taking supplements has been a big challenge for him. He has no appetite and had a lot of nausea, so eating healthy has been very difficult as well. I believe S/OPC really helped, though, because his white blood cell count was never affected by the chemo, and some of the protocol helped to protect his liver.Now we are thinking about trying high dose IV vitamin c to get his strength back.Is high dose IV vitamin c compatible with Tony's protocol? I know Budwig Diet is against using

high dose anti-oxydant (he started Budwig mix recently). Does my Dad need to stop taking the mix if he starts IVC?I really appreciate any comments.Tamaki

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The equivalency I was quoting from was from the second linkwhere and independent lab had verified the claims of Dr. Levy. Here is a linkto a direct post by Dr. Levy stating the equivalency. http://drbloem.com/2009/05/15/liposomal-vitamin-c-qa-q-i-would-be-c/ “Liposomal VitaminC Q & A – From gordonresearch.comQ: Iwould be curious to know if anyone has had experience with Liposomal Vit Cfrom Livonlabs.com. B. Robert Mozayeni, MDA1: I ama paid consultant to LivOn Labs, becoming so only after I became impressed withtheir products. For the better part of two years, I actually ignored my own medicalobservations, since they were in complete conflict with what I felt just had tobe true. Also, until the past nine months or so, I had not bothered to educatemyself extensively on the body of liposome science that has been accumulatingfor the past 45 years or so. In a nutshell, I found that liposome encapsulatedvitamin C, taken orally, was roughly 10 times more effectively clinically inresolving infectious diseases than the IVC. Having given thousands of IVCs andtaken hundreds myself, this was difficult to comprehend, even though theclinical observation was quite straightforward. I subsequently realized thatthe liposome gave the ultimate bioavailability: intracellular delivery,including the mitochondria, endoplasmic reticulum, and even the nucleus. Furthermore, itwas delivered in a non-energy-consuming fashion. IV vitamin C requires anexpenditure of energy to eventually reach the intracellular compartment, butliposome encapsulated vitamin C does not. If possible, you do not want toconsume energy to get energy-carrying substances inside the cell. It defeatsthe basic purpose. But let me clear, if it is possible, give a patient both IVCand oral liposome encapsulated vitamin C. However, if only one is available,the best application is with liposomes orally.Furthermore,liposome encapsulated glutathione is even more spectacular. IV GSH is brokendown into its three amino acids within a minute or two of entering the blood.Subsequently three energy-consuming active uptake mechanisms are needed to getthose precursors inside the cell, and then two molecules of ATP are used by theenzymes needed to resynthesize the GSH molecule intracellularly. Lipo GSHconsumes no energy to deliver its contents intracellularly. Lipo C and lipo GSHare a spectacular combination for all diseases, due to the prooxidant nature ofthe associated symptoms, and they are especially impressive for infectious diseases.As an aside, I am quite sure that a few packets of each would resolve the swineflu in a day or two at the most.Thomas E. Levy, MD, JDtelevymd†With the ad saying “Nano particle Liposomalvitamin C is absorbed at 93%, getting IV results with an oral dosageâ€, I cansee where you would be confused. But both statements could be correct. Ibelieve that what Dr. Levy states is correct and that “liposomeencapsulated vitamin C, taken orally, was roughly 10 times more effectivelyclinically in resolving infectious diseases than the IVC†- Steve oleander soup oleander soup On BehalfOf Jan KnightThursday, January 28, 2010 2:33 PMoleander soup Subject: RE: High dose IV vitamin c - Steve Norton I keep reading your post, and then the ad for the oralVitamin C, but I'm confused. You say 5 grams of the oral is theequivalent to 50 grams IV, but the ad seems to imply that it is theequivalent to the IV, but not 10 times better. Was it a typo, or am Imissing something? Thanks. Jan--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Norton, Steve <stephen.nortonwrote:Norton, Steve <stephen.nortonRE: High dose IV vitamin coleander soup Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 1:16 PM Tamaki, If your father can take medicine orally, it would beless expensive to have him take liposomal encapsulated Vitamin C rather thana Vitamin C IV. The results of Dr. Thomas Levy, M.D was independentlyverified (see below) showing that 5 GRAMS of the LET-type vitaminC (taken orally) yields results comparable to 50 GRAMS OF IV ADMINISTEREDvitamin C. There is a new lower cost source for liposomal encapsulatedVitamin C. Bill Henderson's Cancer Free newsletter mentions this new,inexpensive source of Liposomal vitamin C. It is softgels and the costworks out to about 30 cents per gram, versus $1.33 per gram from Livon Labs.See: http://www.healthyi tems.com/ liposomal- vitamin-C- p/620.htm - Steve http://alobar. livejournal. com/3346670. html “We are Euphoric...almost. ..over our enthusiasm regardinga substance which became available about 24 months ago---and since subjectedto a number of different evaluations. While the actual materials are not (essentially) modified in chemical orbiological essence..... the FORM of delivery is GREATLY improved and we haveenjoyed ASTONISHING results among all of our principal investigatorsevaluating these materials. These research evaluations revolved aroundsubstances yielded by a process called Liposomal Encapsulated Technology(LET). All of our evaluations involved either Liposomal Encapsulated GSH orLiposomal Encapsulated Vitamin C. A majority of our experimental casesinvolved LET-based Vitamin C. About six months ago, inspired by the very recent (last 15 months) documentedresearch of Dr. Thomas Levy, M.D., and associates, we endeavored to prosecutesome evaluations of our own.......which centered on vitamin C encapsulated byphospholipid liposomes. The actual material we utilized was obtained fromrepresentatives of a firm holding some exclusive procedural patents (Livon),but there are, probably, others now available... ..especially with theproclivities of firms for circumventing existing patents. The material iscalled " Smart " Lyco-Spheric Nano-Spheres. The principalcharacteristic which enables the substance to yield such outstanding results,springs from its ability to present both in the blood stream and theinter-cellular environments- ---simultaneousl y. I could hardly believe Dr.Levy's original claims as to results they achieved. To wit: That the ORALingestion of this " Vitamin C on Steroids " as the hype hadpronounced it-----turned out (at least for us), to be ...EXACTLY THAT. E.G. 5GRAMS of the LET-type vitamin C (taken orally) did, indeed, yield resultscomparable to 50 GRAMS OF IV ADMINISTERED vitamin C. We were, simply,ASTOUNDED... by this result.†---On Sun, 1/24/10, mind_spotless <passerina (AT) gmail (DOT) com>wrote:mind_spotless <passerina (AT) gmail (DOT) com> High dose IV vitamin coleander soupSunday, January 24, 2010, 12:57 PM Hi.My father tried chemo to stop the growth of his cancer metastasized to hisliver, lymph node, and lung. His original cancer was in his stomach, and hehad a total gastrectomy. His side effects got worse and worse over time, andhe finally told his doctor that he is too weak to continue. The blood testand CT both showed that his cancer got worse. He also tried to stick with Tony's anti-cancer protocol as much as possible,but taking supplements has been a big challenge for him. He has no appetiteand had a lot of nausea, so eating healthy has been very difficult as well. I believe S/OPC really helped, though, because his white blood cell count wasnever affected by the chemo, and some of the protocol helped to protect hisliver.Now we are thinking about trying high dose IV vitamin c to get his strengthback.Is high dose IV vitamin c compatible with Tony's protocol? I know Budwig Dietis against using high dose anti-oxydant (he started Budwig mix recently).Does my Dad need to stop taking the mix if he starts IVC?I really appreciate any comments.Tamaki