High dose IV vitamin c

[Guest guest]

Hi. My father tried chemo to stop the growth of his cancer metastasized to his

liver, lymph node, and lung. His original cancer was in his stomach, and he had

a total gastrectomy. His side effects got worse and worse over time, and he

finally told his doctor that he is too weak to continue. The blood test and CT

both showed that his cancer got worse.

 

He also tried to stick with Tony's anti-cancer protocol as much as possible, but

taking supplements has been a big challenge for him. He has no appetite and had

a lot of nausea, so eating healthy has been very difficult as well.

 

I believe S/OPC really helped, though, because his white blood cell count was

never affected by the chemo, and some of the protocol helped to protect his

liver.

 

Now we are thinking about trying high dose IV vitamin c to get his strength

back.

 

Is high dose IV vitamin c compatible with Tony's protocol? I know Budwig Diet

is against using high dose anti-oxydant (he started Budwig mix recently). Does

my Dad need to stop taking the mix if he starts IVC?

 

I really appreciate any comments.

 

Tamaki

[Guest guest]

Hi - Well, it is going to take a greater mind than mine to answer your questions, but I can contribute a bit. I am doing the Vitamin C IVs and I feel very confident that my improvement is due, to a great extent, to them. There is evidently a rather expensive lab test that can be done 2 hours after the IV, that will test to see that the amount of Vitamin C he is getting is sufficient to help him in his recovery. Don't think of the Vitamin C as just helping him regain strength, but instead think of it as a really-truly cancer treatment. Jan--- On Sun, 1/24/10, mind_spotless <passerina wrote:

mind_spotless <passerina High dose IV vitamin coleander soup Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 12:57 PM

Hi. My father tried chemo to stop the growth of his cancer metastasized to his liver, lymph node, and lung. His original cancer was in his stomach, and he had a total gastrectomy. His side effects got worse and worse over time, and he finally told his doctor that he is too weak to continue. The blood test and CT both showed that his cancer got worse. He also tried to stick with Tony's anti-cancer protocol as much as possible, but taking supplements has been a big challenge for him. He has no appetite and had a lot of nausea, so eating healthy has been very difficult as well. I believe S/OPC really helped, though, because his white blood cell count was never affected by the chemo, and some of the protocol helped to protect his liver.Now we are thinking about trying high dose IV vitamin c to get his strength back.Is high dose IV vitamin c compatible with Tony's protocol? I know Budwig Diet is against using high dose

anti-oxydant (he started Budwig mix recently). Does my Dad need to stop taking the mix if he starts IVC?I really appreciate any comments.Tamaki

[Guest guest]

Jan,

 

Thank you so much for your reply. I'm happy to hear that you are very confident

about your IVC treatment. Because conventional treatments didn't work for him,

and I know IVC doesn't work for everyone (especially after chemo), we don't get

our hope up too high (my Dad is very disappointed by the chemo results). But we

believe that it will be a much better cancer treatment for him and will do

anything to make it work better.

 

How often and what dosage of IVC are you doing now? Are you incorporating FOCC

in your treatment?

 

Thanks again,

 

Tamaki

 

oleander soup , Jan Knight <waikikilights wrote:

>

> Hi - Well, it is going to take a greater mind than mine to answer your

questions, but I can contribute a bit.  I am doing the Vitamin C IVs and I feel

very confident that my improvement is due, to a great extent, to them.  There

is evidently a rather expensive lab test that can be done 2 hours after the IV,

that will test to see that the amount of Vitamin C he is getting is sufficient

to help him in his recovery.  Don't think of the Vitamin C as just helping him

regain strength, but instead think of it as a really-truly cancer treatment. 

Jan

>

[Guest guest]

No FOCC, and my IV is 50 grams 5 times a month. It would be 8 times but I am also still doing chemo and the 2 types of treatments can't be too close together, so I juggle the Vitamin C around the chemo. He also adds some selenium and DMSO and germanium to the Vitamin C.

 

Google Herxheimer Reaction. I experience this every time I have a Vitamin C treatment, and my tumor markers are dropping way way better than with just the chemotherapy.

Good luck and prayers! Jan--- On Sun, 1/24/10, mind_spotless <passerina wrote:

mind_spotless <passerina Re: High dose IV vitamin coleander soup Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 3:56 PM

Jan,Thank you so much for your reply. I'm happy to hear that you are very confident about your IVC treatment. Because conventional treatments didn't work for him, and I know IVC doesn't work for everyone (especially after chemo), we don't get our hope up too high (my Dad is very disappointed by the chemo results). But we believe that it will be a much better cancer treatment for him and will do anything to make it work better.How often and what dosage of IVC are you doing now? Are you incorporating FOCC in your treatment?Thanks again,Tamakioleander soup, Jan Knight <waikikilights@ ...> wrote:>> Hi - Well, it is going to take a greater mind than mine to answer your questions, but I can contribute a

bit. I am doing the Vitamin C IVs and I feel very confident that my improvement is due, to a great extent, to them. There is evidently a rather expensive lab test that can be done 2 hours after the IV, that will test to see that the amount of Vitamin C he is getting is sufficient to help him in his recovery. Don't think of the Vitamin C as just helping him regain strength, but instead think of it as a really-truly cancer treatment. Jan>

[Guest guest]

Oh -- I forgot that I am also taking Oleander, oral cesium, and LDN. But the Vitamin C seemed to be the thing that turned the tide. My husband thinks it is maybe a combination of them all. Jan--- On Sun, 1/24/10, mind_spotless <passerina wrote:

mind_spotless <passerina Re: High dose IV vitamin coleander soup Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 3:56 PM

Jan,Thank you so much for your reply. I'm happy to hear that you are very confident about your IVC treatment. Because conventional treatments didn't work for him, and I know IVC doesn't work for everyone (especially after chemo), we don't get our hope up too high (my Dad is very disappointed by the chemo results). But we believe that it will be a much better cancer treatment for him and will do anything to make it work better.How often and what dosage of IVC are you doing now? Are you incorporating FOCC in your treatment?Thanks again,Tamakioleander soup, Jan Knight <waikikilights@ ...> wrote:>> Hi - Well, it is going to take a greater mind than mine to answer your questions, but I can contribute a

bit. I am doing the Vitamin C IVs and I feel very confident that my improvement is due, to a great extent, to them. There is evidently a rather expensive lab test that can be done 2 hours after the IV, that will test to see that the amount of Vitamin C he is getting is sufficient to help him in his recovery. Don't think of the Vitamin C as just helping him regain strength, but instead think of it as a really-truly cancer treatment. Jan>

[Guest guest]

hi Tamaki,

 

my father (diagnosed lung cancer) used OPC, LDN and DCA along with

chemo-radiotherapy. DCA is a chemical compaund found to be effective against

many cancers. you can google it and check the site dedicated to DCA.

god bless

best wishes,

 

 

oleander soup , " mind_spotless " <passerina wrote:

>

> Hi. My father tried chemo to stop the growth of his cancer metastasized to

his liver, lymph node, and lung. His original cancer was in his stomach, and he

had a total gastrectomy. His side effects got worse and worse over time, and he

finally told his doctor that he is too weak to continue. The blood test and CT

both showed that his cancer got worse.

>

> He also tried to stick with Tony's anti-cancer protocol as much as possible,

but taking supplements has been a big challenge for him. He has no appetite and

had a lot of nausea, so eating healthy has been very difficult as well.

>

> I believe S/OPC really helped, though, because his white blood cell count was

never affected by the chemo, and some of the protocol helped to protect his

liver.

>

> Now we are thinking about trying high dose IV vitamin c to get his strength

back.

>

> Is high dose IV vitamin c compatible with Tony's protocol? I know Budwig Diet

is against using high dose anti-oxydant (he started Budwig mix recently). Does

my Dad need to stop taking the mix if he starts IVC?

>

> I really appreciate any comments.

>

> Tamaki

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Tamaki and all...Recently I heard a live phone interview with Charlotte Gerson - she stated that even if the patient cannot eat, they can still reap benefits of green drinks (juices) that are packed with powerful antioxidants and healthful essential nutrients. Even the very ill can drink one glass per hour and receive excellent nutrition much quicker than eating the same things in their natural form. The difference is getting benefits in minutes instead of hours, and also not forcing an already ill system to work overtime on digestion. One could alternate green juices with fruit juices (or simply add fruit juices to taste directly into the green drink) for optimum antioxidant power. It is thought that fruit juices (emphasis on grapes) tend to help stimulate the lymphatic system which should help get things moving along.

Tips: Peppermint tea (steeped for 15 - 20 minutes) is a helpful tonic for nausea. Another tip is Slippery Elm (inner bark). This is useful for nausea and vomiting (also helpful for inflammation of stomach, intestines, bladder and many other ailments). Make a paste from the powder and ingest by mouth. Tips info from the 'Herb Mentor', find him via google.

My best to you, your father and loved ones.

Ila

 

- mind_spotless

oleander soup

Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:57 AM

High dose IV vitamin c

Hi. My father tried chemo to stop the growth of his cancer metastasized to his liver, lymph node, and lung. His original cancer was in his stomach, and he had a total gastrectomy. His side effects got worse and worse over time, and he finally told his doctor that he is too weak to continue. The blood test and CT both showed that his cancer got worse. He also tried to stick with Tony's anti-cancer protocol as much as possible, but taking supplements has been a big challenge for him. He has no appetite and had a lot of nausea, so eating healthy has been very difficult as well. I believe S/OPC really helped, though, because his white blood cell count was never affected by the chemo, and some of the protocol helped to protect his liver.Now we are thinking about trying high dose IV vitamin c to get his strength back.Is high dose IV vitamin c compatible with Tony's protocol? I know Budwig Diet is against using high dose anti-oxydant (he started Budwig mix recently). Does my Dad need to stop taking the mix if he starts IVC?I really appreciate any comments.Tamaki ---

[Guest guest]



Those are some heavy duty things to take. Did you start taking those from the beginning? When you were first diagnosed or did you do other things first? such as diet, supplements? etc. Did you start these one at a time or all together? Who is administering the Vit.C IV?

Thanks

Nili

 

-

Jan Knight

oleander soup

Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:40 PM

Re: Re: High dose IV vitamin c

 

 

 

 

Oh -- I forgot that I am also taking Oleander, oral cesium, and LDN. But the Vitamin C seemed to be the thing that turned the tide. My husband thinks it is maybe a combination of them all. Jan--- On Sun, 1/24/10, mind_spotless <passerina > wrote:

mind_spotless <passerina > Re: High dose IV vitamin coleander soup Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 3:56 PM

Jan,Thank you so much for your reply. I'm happy to hear that you are very confident about your IVC treatment. Because conventional treatments didn't work for him, and I know IVC doesn't work for everyone (especially after chemo), we don't get our hope up too high (my Dad is very disappointed by the chemo results). But we believe that it will be a much better cancer treatment for him and will do anything to make it work better.How often and what dosage of IVC are you doing now? Are you incorporating FOCC in your treatment?Thanks again,Tamakioleander soup, Jan Knight <waikikilights@ ...> wrote:>> Hi - Well, it is going to take a greater mind than mine to answer your questions, but I can contribute a bit. I am doing the Vitamin C IVs and I feel very confident that my improvement is due, to a great extent, to them. There is evidently a rather expensive lab test that can be done 2 hours after the IV, that will test to see that the amount of Vitamin C he is getting is sufficient to help him in his recovery. Don't think of the Vitamin C as just helping him regain strength, but instead think of it as a really-truly cancer treatment. Jan>

[Guest guest]

According to this brief Youtube presentation by Dr. Levy Liposomal Vitamin C is

more effective in the body than IV's. I don't know if this is true or not but

perhaps someone can check on it. Article is located at http://livonlabs.com/

 

Jack

 

oleander soup , Jan Knight <waikikilights wrote:

>

> Oh -- I forgot that I am also taking Oleander, oral cesium,  and LDN.  But

the Vitamin C seemed to be the thing that turned the tide.  My husband thinks

it is maybe a combination of them all.  Jan

>

> --- On Sun, 1/24/10, mind_spotless <passerina wrote:

>

>

> mind_spotless <passerina

> Re: High dose IV vitamin c

> oleander soup

> Sunday, January 24, 2010, 3:56 PM

>

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>

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> Jan,

>

> Thank you so much for your reply. I'm happy to hear that you are very

confident about your IVC treatment. Because conventional treatments didn't work

for him, and I know IVC doesn't work for everyone (especially after chemo), we

don't get our hope up too high (my Dad is very disappointed by the chemo

results). But we believe that it will be a much better cancer treatment for him

and will do anything to make it work better.

>

> How often and what dosage of IVC are you doing now? Are you incorporating FOCC

in your treatment?

>

> Thanks again,

>

> Tamaki

>

> oleander soup, Jan Knight <waikikilights@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Hi - Well, it is going to take a greater mind than mine to answer your

questions, but I can contribute a bit.  I am doing the Vitamin C IVs and I

feel very confident that my improvement is due, to a great extent, to them. 

There is evidently a rather expensive lab test that can be done 2 hours after

the IV, that will test to see that the amount of Vitamin C he is getting is

sufficient to help him in his recovery.  Don't think of the Vitamin C as just

helping him regain strength, but instead think of it as a really-truly cancer

treatment.  Jan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, my name is Vitaliy and my father 70eyars old man and he has the same situation as your father. He has cancer metastasized to his liver,lymph nodes, lungs and he new grow of tumor outside of his stomach. If you have any information how to help in this situation please share it with us. Also could you share Tony's anti-cancer protocol and is it expensive? My father was on chmo 4 times didn't work for him too. We live in New York city, we trying to fine someone good Doctor who open to Alternative therapy but it is not so easy. thank youVitaliymind_spotless <passerinaoleander soup Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 9:57:34 AM High dose IV vitamin c

 

 

Hi. My father tried chemo to stop the growth of his cancer metastasized to his liver, lymph node, and lung. His original cancer was in his stomach, and he had a total gastrectomy. His side effects got worse and worse over time, and he finally told his doctor that he is too weak to continue. The blood test and CT both showed that his cancer got worse.

 

He also tried to stick with Tony's anti-cancer protocol as much as possible, but taking supplements has been a big challenge for him. He has no appetite and had a lot of nausea, so eating healthy has been very difficult as well.

 

I believe S/OPC really helped, though, because his white blood cell count was never affected by the chemo, and some of the protocol helped to protect his liver.

 

Now we are thinking about trying high dose IV vitamin c to get his strength back.

 

Is high dose IV vitamin c compatible with Tony's protocol? I know Budwig Diet is against using high dose anti-oxydant (he started Budwig mix recently). Does my Dad need to stop taking the mix if he starts IVC?

 

I really appreciate any comments.

 

Tamaki

[Guest guest]



Vitaliy, you have the best alternative Dr around in NY Dr Gonzalez.

 

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Vale Dom

passerina

Cc: oleander soup

Monday, January 25, 2010 12:06 PM

Re: High dose IV vitamin c

 

 

Hi, my name is Vitaliy and my father 70eyars old man and he has the same situation as your father. He has cancer metastasized to his liver,lymph nodes, lungs and he new grow of tumor outside of his stomach. If you have any information how to help in this situation please share it with us. Also could you share Tony's anti-cancer protocol and is it expensive? My father was on chmo 4 times didn't work for him too. We live in New York city, we trying to fine someone good Doctor who open to Alternative therapy but it is not so easy. thank youVitaliy

 

 

 

mind_spotless <passerina >oleander soup Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 9:57:34 AM High dose IV vitamin c

Hi. My father tried chemo to stop the growth of his cancer metastasized to his liver, lymph node, and lung. His original cancer was in his stomach, and he had a total gastrectomy. His side effects got worse and worse over time, and he finally told his doctor that he is too weak to continue. The blood test and CT both showed that his cancer got worse. He also tried to stick with Tony's anti-cancer protocol as much as possible, but taking supplements has been a big challenge for him. He has no appetite and had a lot of nausea, so eating healthy has been very difficult as well. I believe S/OPC really helped, though, because his white blood cell count was never affected by the chemo, and some of the protocol helped to protect his liver.Now we are thinking about trying high dose IV vitamin c to get his strength back.Is high dose IV vitamin c compatible with Tony's protocol? I know Budwig Diet is against using high dose anti-oxydant (he started Budwig mix recently). Does my Dad need to stop taking the mix if he starts IVC?I really appreciate any comments.Tamaki

[Guest guest]

Jan,Thank you so much for your responses. You are so kind. I'm happy to hear that the IV Vitamin C has been working so well for you. My Dad also takes Oleander and LDN, and I believe these two supplements kept my Dad's white blood cell counts at an excellent level.My Dad just had his first IVC yesterday. Despite the first lower dosage, he felt that his pain melted away after the IV (his cancer in his liver started to penetrate into a rib bone, which is causing a lot of pain). I hope my Dad beats cancer with this.Thank you again, and I'll keep you posted.Tamakioleander soup , Jan Knight <waikikilights wrote:>> Oh -- I forgot that I am also taking Oleander, oral cesium, and LDN. But the Vitamin C seemed to be the thing that turned the tide. My husband thinks it is maybe a combination of them all. Jan>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for your suggestion. My Dad takes OPC and LDN, but not DCA.

I'll check it out.

 

He is taking too many things already (he is having a very hard time keeping up

with all the supplements), so we have to see if it is possible to add anything

more (as we just added IVC and more oral Vitamin C).

 

Tamaki

 

oleander soup , " fehmiunal " <unal.fehmi wrote:

>

> hi Tamaki,

>

> my father (diagnosed lung cancer) used OPC, LDN and DCA along with

chemo-radiotherapy. DCA is a chemical compaund found to be effective against

many cancers. you can google it and check the site dedicated to DCA.

> god bless

> best wishes,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ila,

 

Thank you so much for your suggestion!! I know juices are so good for him, but

unfortunately fresh juices start to trigger his gag reflect, and he can't drink

any juice since a couple of months ago. Once all the chemo toxins leave his

body, I believe he will start it slowly again.

 

The tips for the remedies for nausea and vomiting will be so helpful.

 

I'm actually happy to know that those doctors cannot harm my Dad with poisons

any more since they have no other options!

 

Hopefully, he will get rid of the nausea and will have more appetite soon.

 

Tamaki

 

oleander soup , " Ila " <ila wrote:

>

> Hello Tamaki and all...

>

> Recently I heard a live phone interview with Charlotte Gerson - she stated

that even if the patient cannot eat, they can still reap benefits of green

drinks (juices) that are packed with powerful antioxidants and healthful

essential nutrients. Even the very ill can drink one glass per hour and receive

excellent nutrition much quicker than eating the same things in their natural

form. The difference is getting benefits in minutes instead of hours, and also

not forcing an already ill system to work overtime on digestion. One could

alternate green juices with fruit juices (or simply add fruit juices to taste

directly into the green drink) for optimum antioxidant power. It is thought that

fruit juices (emphasis on grapes) tend to help stimulate the lymphatic system

which should help get things moving along.

>

> Tips: Peppermint tea (steeped for 15 - 20 minutes) is a helpful tonic for

nausea. Another tip is Slippery Elm (inner bark). This is useful for nausea and

vomiting (also helpful for inflammation of stomach, intestines, bladder and many

other ailments). Make a paste from the powder and ingest by mouth. Tips info

from the 'Herb Mentor', find him via google.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, diet and supplements first, which didn't work. Then Cesium, which worked. Remission for about a year, and then recurrence. I tried a variety of things at that time, and then went one at a time --- LDN first, then added Oleander, then added Vitamin C, and then added Cesium (oral and it tastes just awful!) Each one alone is supposed to be quite powerful, so I'm banking on the combination. I live in Panama and there are few options unless you take a lot of responsibility for yourself. I have a doctor who administers the Vitamin C and who prescribes the LDN for me (after we told him about it) but he doesn't do the other things. I'm pretty much on my own, and he is a good cheering section. Jan--- On Sun, 1/24/10, Nili Gitig <ngitig wrote:

Nili Gitig <ngitigRe: Re: High dose IV vitamin coleander soup Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 9:41 PM

 Those are some heavy duty things to take. Did you start taking those from the beginning? When you were first diagnosed or did you do other things first? such as diet, supplements? etc. Did you start these one at a time or all together? Who is administering the Vit.C IV?

Thanks

Nili

 

-

Jan Knight

oleander soup

Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:40 PM

Re: Re: High dose IV vitamin c

 

 

 

 

Oh -- I forgot that I am also taking Oleander, oral cesium, and LDN. But the Vitamin C seemed to be the thing that turned the tide. My husband thinks it is maybe a combination of them all. Jan--- On Sun, 1/24/10, mind_spotless <passerina (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

mind_spotless <passerina (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: High dose IV vitamin coleander soupSunday, January 24, 2010, 3:56 PM

Jan,Thank you so much for your reply. I'm happy to hear that you are very confident about your IVC treatment. Because conventional treatments didn't work for him, and I know IVC doesn't work for everyone (especially after chemo), we don't get our hope up too high (my Dad is very disappointed by the chemo results). But we believe that it will be a much better cancer treatment for him and will do anything to make it work better.How often and what dosage of IVC are you doing now? Are you incorporating FOCC in your treatment?Thanks again,Tamakioleander soup, Jan Knight <waikikilights@ ...> wrote:>> Hi - Well, it is going to take a greater mind than mine to answer your questions, but I can contribute a bit. I am doing the Vitamin C IVs and I

feel very confident that my improvement is due, to a great extent, to them. There is evidently a rather expensive lab test that can be done 2 hours after the IV, that will test to see that the amount of Vitamin C he is getting is sufficient to help him in his recovery. Don't think of the Vitamin C as just helping him regain strength, but instead think of it as a really-truly cancer treatment. Jan>

[Guest guest]



Jan,

 

There are a couple of alternatives you should look into. I don't know what type of cancer you're trying to cure, but iodine is a specific for breast cancer (among others). Cannabis oil (not hemp seed oil) is a wonderful wholistic approach to many types of cancers. You take 60 grams over a 90 day period. Go to phoenixtears.ca for more info on that. If marijuana is legal in Panama I'd pursue that right away. Also an escharotic salve or liquid such as BCGG, Cansema, or VItae Elixxir (all are blood root based products) are often curative in and of themselves. Let me know if you need a source, I may be able to help.

 

Good luck.

 

Bob

 

-

Jan Knight

oleander soup

Monday, January 25, 2010 2:25 PM

Re: Re: High dose IV vitamin c

 

 

 

 

Well, diet and supplements first, which didn't work. Then Cesium, which worked. Remission for about a year, and then recurrence. I tried a variety of things at that time, and then went one at a time --- LDN first, then added Oleander, then added Vitamin C, and then added Cesium (oral and it tastes just awful!) Each one alone is supposed to be quite powerful, so I'm banking on the combination. I live in Panama and there are few options unless you take a lot of responsibility for yourself. I have a doctor who administers the Vitamin C and who prescribes the LDN for me (after we told him about it) but he doesn't do the other things. I'm pretty much on my own, and he is a good cheering section. Jan--- On Sun, 1/24/10, Nili Gitig <ngitig wrote:

Nili Gitig <ngitigRe: Re: High dose IV vitamin coleander soup Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 9:41 PM

 Those are some heavy duty things to take. Did you start taking those from the beginning? When you were first diagnosed or did you do other things first? such as diet, supplements? etc. Did you start these one at a time or all together? Who is administering the Vit.C IV?

Thanks

Nili

 

-

Jan Knight

oleander soup

Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:40 PM

Re: Re: High dose IV vitamin c

 

 

 

 

Oh -- I forgot that I am also taking Oleander, oral cesium, and LDN. But the Vitamin C seemed to be the thing that turned the tide. My husband thinks it is maybe a combination of them all. Jan--- On Sun, 1/24/10, mind_spotless <passerina (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

mind_spotless <passerina (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: High dose IV vitamin coleander soupSunday, January 24, 2010, 3:56 PM

Jan,Thank you so much for your reply. I'm happy to hear that you are very confident about your IVC treatment. Because conventional treatments didn't work for him, and I know IVC doesn't work for everyone (especially after chemo), we don't get our hope up too high (my Dad is very disappointed by the chemo results). But we believe that it will be a much better cancer treatment for him and will do anything to make it work better.How often and what dosage of IVC are you doing now? Are you incorporating FOCC in your treatment?Thanks again,Tamakioleander soup, Jan Knight <waikikilights@ ...> wrote:>> Hi - Well, it is going to take a greater mind than mine to answer your questions, but I can contribute a bit. I am doing the Vitamin C IVs and I feel very confident that my improvement is due, to a great extent, to them. There is evidently a rather expensive lab test that can be done 2 hours after the IV, that will test to see that the amount of Vitamin C he is getting is sufficient to help him in his recovery. Don't think of the Vitamin C as just helping him regain strength, but instead think of it as a really-truly cancer treatment. Jan>

[Guest guest]

Thanks. I'll check these out. Well, actually -- my husband will. He's the best care-taker in the world. Jan--- On Mon, 1/25/10, Bob Banever <bbanever wrote:

Bob Banever <bbaneverRe: Re: High dose IV vitamin coleander soup Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 5:48 PM

 Jan,

 

There are a couple of alternatives you should look into. I don't know what type of cancer you're trying to cure, but iodine is a specific for breast cancer (among others). Cannabis oil (not hemp seed oil) is a wonderful wholistic approach to many types of cancers. You take 60 grams over a 90 day period. Go to phoenixtears. ca for more info on that. If marijuana is legal in Panama I'd pursue that right away. Also an escharotic salve or liquid such as BCGG, Cansema, or VItae Elixxir (all are blood root based products) are often curative in and of themselves. Let me know if you need a source, I may be able to help.

 

Good luck.

 

Bob

 

-

Jan Knight

oleander soup

Monday, January 25, 2010 2:25 PM

Re: Re: High dose IV vitamin c

 

 

 

 

Well, diet and supplements first, which didn't work. Then Cesium, which worked. Remission for about a year, and then recurrence. I tried a variety of things at that time, and then went one at a time --- LDN first, then added Oleander, then added Vitamin C, and then added Cesium (oral and it tastes just awful!) Each one alone is supposed to be quite powerful, so I'm banking on the combination. I live in Panama and there are few options unless you take a lot of responsibility for yourself. I have a doctor who administers the Vitamin C and who prescribes the LDN for me (after we told him about it) but he doesn't do the other things. I'm pretty much on my own, and he is a good cheering section. Jan--- On Sun, 1/24/10, Nili Gitig <ngitig (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Nili Gitig <ngitig (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: Re: High dose IV vitamin coleander soupSunday, January 24, 2010, 9:41 PM

 Those are some heavy duty things to take. Did you start taking those from the beginning? When you were first diagnosed or did you do other things first? such as diet, supplements? etc. Did you start these one at a time or all together? Who is administering the Vit.C IV?

Thanks

Nili

 

-

Jan Knight

oleander soup

Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:40 PM

Re: Re: High dose IV vitamin c

 

 

 

 

Oh -- I forgot that I am also taking Oleander, oral cesium, and LDN. But the Vitamin C seemed to be the thing that turned the tide. My husband thinks it is maybe a combination of them all. Jan--- On Sun, 1/24/10, mind_spotless <passerina (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

mind_spotless <passerina (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Re: High dose IV vitamin coleander soupSunday, January 24, 2010, 3:56 PM

Jan,Thank you so much for your reply. I'm happy to hear that you are very confident about your IVC treatment. Because conventional treatments didn't work for him, and I know IVC doesn't work for everyone (especially after chemo), we don't get our hope up too high (my Dad is very disappointed by the chemo results). But we believe that it will be a much better cancer treatment for him and will do anything to make it work better.How often and what dosage of IVC are you doing now? Are you incorporating FOCC in your treatment?Thanks again,Tamakioleander soup, Jan Knight <waikikilights@ ...> wrote:>> Hi - Well, it is going to take a greater mind than mine to answer your questions, but I can contribute a bit. I am doing the Vitamin C IVs and I

feel very confident that my improvement is due, to a great extent, to them. There is evidently a rather expensive lab test that can be done 2 hours after the IV, that will test to see that the amount of Vitamin C he is getting is sufficient to help him in his recovery. Don't think of the Vitamin C as just helping him regain strength, but instead think of it as a really-truly cancer treatment. Jan>

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Vitaliy,First thing, I would recommend that he do the entire Natural Cancer Protocol. /anticancer.htm. The most important part of this protocol is Oleander which is around 85% effective in Stage III and Stage IV cancers. The rest of the supplements and guidelines support Oleander. The supplements, as oleander also have immune strengthening and anti-cancer properties. Together with this, the proper diet and complete lifestyle changes must be followed. The supplements do cost money, but when you look at it they are way less expensive than chemo and this protocol will strengthen his body, not destroy it. The Oleander supplement, as you will see in the protocol goes under two names.

Sutherlandia OPC and Rose Laurel OPC Plus, the only difference being that Rose Laurel OPC Plus has 33% more oleander which would be recommended for cancer. Another factor to take into consideration is that Sutherlandia OPC is shipped from South Africa, taking approximately 12 days to reach the United Stated, while Rose Laurel OPC Plus is shipped from Texas. If you choose Rose Laurel OPC Plus, by using coupon code LR001 you receive a 15% discount if it is not on sale and if your order over $100.00, you receive a free bottle of colloidal silver which you will also need for the protocol. With either Sutherlandia OPC and Rose Laurel OPC, you want to gradually increase to at least six capsules a day. You can go up to ten and for cancers in late stages 10 is recommended.I hope I have answered your questions and I wish you my very best.

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Dr. Gonzalez has a specific alternative protocol with Enzymes. To the best of my understanding that is the only protocol he does, and he is extremely expensive.

When I called to inquire about his fees, I was told that you have to commit up front to $3600 for the entire protocol and $750 per month for his supplements. You cannot just pay for one or two consultations.

 

 

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Tammatha

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Monday, January 25, 2010 3:21 PM

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 Vitaliy, you have the best alternative Dr around in NY Dr Gonzalez.

 

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Vale Dom

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Monday, January 25, 2010 12:06 PM

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Hi, my name is Vitaliy and my father 70eyars old man and he has the same situation as your father. He has cancer metastasized to his liver,lymph nodes, lungs and he new grow of tumor outside of his stomach. If you have any information how to help in this situation please share it with us. Also could you share Tony's anti-cancer protocol and is it expensive? My father was on chmo 4 times didn't work for him too. We live in New York city, we trying to fine someone good Doctor who open to Alternative therapy but it is not so easy. thank youVitaliy

 

 

 

mind_spotless <passerina >oleander soup Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 9:57:34 AM High dose IV vitamin c

Hi. My father tried chemo to stop the growth of his cancer metastasized to his liver, lymph node, and lung. His original cancer was in his stomach, and he had a total gastrectomy. His side effects got worse and worse over time, and he finally told his doctor that he is too weak to continue. The blood test and CT both showed that his cancer got worse. He also tried to stick with Tony's anti-cancer protocol as much as possible, but taking supplements has been a big challenge for him. He has no appetite and had a lot of nausea, so eating healthy has been very difficult as well. I believe S/OPC really helped, though, because his white blood cell count was never affected by the chemo, and some of the protocol helped to protect his liver.Now we are thinking about trying high dose IV vitamin c to get his strength back.Is high dose IV vitamin c compatible with Tony's protocol? I know Budwig Diet is against using high dose anti-oxydant (he started Budwig mix recently). Does my Dad need to stop taking the mix if he starts IVC?I really appreciate any comments.Tamaki

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Regardless he is good, they didn't say $ was a a factor just asked for a good NY alternative doc. He does get the results if someone is dying it is worth it I think, don't you?

 

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Nili Gitig

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Monday, January 25, 2010 5:39 PM

Re: High dose IV vitamin c

 Dr. Gonzalez has a specific alternative protocol with Enzymes. To the best of my understanding that is the only protocol he does, and he is extremely expensive.

When I called to inquire about his fees, I was told that you have to commit up front to $3600 for the entire protocol and $750 per month for his supplements. You cannot just pay for one or two consultations.

 

 

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Tammatha

oleander soup

Monday, January 25, 2010 3:21 PM

Re: High dose IV vitamin c

 Vitaliy, you have the best alternative Dr around in NY Dr Gonzalez.

 

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Vale Dom

passerina

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Monday, January 25, 2010 12:06 PM

Re: High dose IV vitamin c

 

 

Hi, my name is Vitaliy and my father 70eyars old man and he has the same situation as your father. He has cancer metastasized to his liver,lymph nodes, lungs and he new grow of tumor outside of his stomach. If you have any information how to help in this situation please share it with us. Also could you share Tony's anti-cancer protocol and is it expensive? My father was on chmo 4 times didn't work for him too. We live in New York city, we trying to fine someone good Doctor who open to Alternative therapy but it is not so easy. thank youVitaliy

 

 

 

mind_spotless <passerina >oleander soup Sent: Sun, January 24, 2010 9:57:34 AM High dose IV vitamin c

Hi. My father tried chemo to stop the growth of his cancer metastasized to his liver, lymph node, and lung. His original cancer was in his stomach, and he had a total gastrectomy. His side effects got worse and worse over time, and he finally told his doctor that he is too weak to continue. The blood test and CT both showed that his cancer got worse. He also tried to stick with Tony's anti-cancer protocol as much as possible, but taking supplements has been a big challenge for him. He has no appetite and had a lot of nausea, so eating healthy has been very difficult as well. I believe S/OPC really helped, though, because his white blood cell count was never affected by the chemo, and some of the protocol helped to protect his liver.Now we are thinking about trying high dose IV vitamin c to get his strength back.Is high dose IV vitamin c compatible with Tony's protocol? I know Budwig Diet is against using high dose anti-oxydant (he started Budwig mix recently). Does my Dad need to stop taking the mix if he starts IVC?I really appreciate any comments.Tamaki

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Tamaki,

 

If he is gagging on juices, I can only imagine how difficult it must be to attempt his supplements. Perhaps if there is some relief from nausea after drinking the tea(s), he will be more able to manage some life-giving juice. I'm not sure about the timeline of the chemo toxins leaving the system (if ever), but until he is more able to eat or tolerate the juices, he could at least drink plenty of alkaline water and attempt to regulate or attain a proper ph. To the water one might add some healthful superfoods or other nutritious additives blended in. There are plenty of beneficial and miraculous healing agents one could add until he is more able to eat real (hopefully sans meat & dairy) foods again. Perhaps a nice fruity smoothie could 'mask' some of the additives. Even the tea could mask a few nutritional goodies.

 

My brother-in-law (54) is a type II diabetic with extremely high BP, congestive heart failure, severe diabetic neuropathy, fast fading eyesight and renal failure (among other things) is now on dialysis permanently as he is unwilling to change to a more healthful lifestyle (NO meat, NO dairy, NO cigs & beer). The dialysis (in addition to more than 20 pharmaceuticals daily) keeps him in a near constant state of nausea. Medical marijuana has definitely come to the rescue for him, allowing him enough relief to eat a bit. Fortunately, our state allows this.My best always,

Ila

 

- mind_spotless

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Monday, January 25, 2010 1:54 PM

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Ila,Thank you so much for your suggestion!! I know juices are so good for him, but unfortunately fresh juices start to trigger his gag reflect, and he can't drink any juice since a couple of months ago. Once all the chemo toxins leave his body, I believe he will start it slowly again.The tips for the remedies for nausea and vomiting will be so helpful. I'm actually happy to know that those doctors cannot harm my Dad with poisons any more since they have no other options!Hopefully, he will get rid of the nausea and will have more appetite soon.Tamakioleander soup , "Ila" <ila wrote:>> Hello Tamaki and all...> > Recently I heard a live phone interview with Charlotte Gerson - she stated that even if the patient cannot eat, they can still reap benefits of green drinks (juices) that are packed with powerful antioxidants and healthful essential nutrients. Even the very ill can drink one glass per hour and receive excellent nutrition much quicker than eating the same things in their natural form. The difference is getting benefits in minutes instead of hours, and also not forcing an already ill system to work overtime on digestion. One could alternate green juices with fruit juices (or simply add fruit juices to taste directly into the green drink) for optimum antioxidant power. It is thought that fruit juices (emphasis on grapes) tend to help stimulate the lymphatic system which should help get things moving along.> > Tips: Peppermint tea (steeped for 15 - 20 minutes) is a helpful tonic for nausea. Another tip is Slippery Elm (inner bark). This is useful for nausea and vomiting (also helpful for inflammation of stomach, intestines, bladder and many other ailments). Make a paste from the powder and ingest by mouth. Tips info from the 'Herb Mentor', find him via google. > > ---

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Tamaki, If your father can take medicine orally, itwould be less expensive to have him take liposomal encapsulated Vitamin Crather than a Vitamin C IV. The results of Dr. Thomas Levy, M.D was independentlyverified (see below)  showing that  5 GRAMS of the LET-type vitamin C (takenorally) yields results comparable to 50 GRAMS OF IV ADMINISTERED vitamin C. Thereis a new lower cost source for liposomal encapsulated Vitamin C.  Bill Henderson'sCancer Free newsletter mentions this new, inexpensive source of Liposomalvitamin C. It is softgels and the cost works out to about 30 cents pergram, versus $1.33 per gram from Livon Labs. See: http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/620.htm - Steve http://alobar.livejournal.com/3346670.html“We are Euphoric...almost. ..over ourenthusiasm regarding a substance which became available about 24 monthsago---and since subjected to a number of different evaluations.While the actual materials are not (essentially) modified in chemical orbiological essence..... the FORM of delivery is GREATLY improved and we haveenjoyed ASTONISHING results among all of our principal investigators evaluatingthese materials. These research evaluations revolved around substances yieldedby a process called Liposomal Encapsulated Technology (LET). All of ourevaluations involved either Liposomal Encapsulated GSH or LiposomalEncapsulated Vitamin C. A majority of our experimental cases involved LET-basedVitamin C.About six months ago, inspired by the very recent (last 15 months) documentedresearch of Dr. Thomas Levy, M.D., and associates, we endeavored to prosecutesome evaluations of our own.......which centered on vitamin C encapsulated byphospholipid liposomes. The actual material we utilized was obtained fromrepresentatives of a firm holding some exclusive procedural patents (Livon), butthere are, probably, others now available... ..especially with the proclivitiesof firms for circumventing existing patents. The material is called " Smart " Lyco-Spheric Nano-Spheres. The principal characteristic whichenables the substance to yield such outstanding results, springs from itsability to present both in the blood stream and the inter-cellularenvironments- ---simultaneousl y. I could hardly believe Dr. Levy's originalclaims as to results they achieved. To wit: That the ORAL ingestion of this " Vitamin C on Steroids " as the hype had pronounced it-----turned out(at least for us), to be ...EXACTLY THAT. E.G. 5 GRAMS of the LET-type vitaminC (taken orally) did, indeed, yield results comparable to 50 GRAMS OF IVADMINISTERED vitamin C. We were, simply, ASTOUNDED... by this result.†--- On Sun, 1/24/10, mind_spotless <passerinawrote:mind_spotless <passerina High dose IV vitamin coleander soup Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 12:57 PM Hi. My father tried chemo to stop the growth of his cancermetastasized to his liver, lymph node, and lung. His original cancer was in hisstomach, and he had a total gastrectomy. His side effects got worse and worseover time, and he finally told his doctor that he is too weak to continue. Theblood test and CT both showed that his cancer got worse. He also tried to stick with Tony's anti-cancer protocol as much as possible,but taking supplements has been a big challenge for him. He has no appetite andhad a lot of nausea, so eating healthy has been very difficult as well. I believe S/OPC really helped, though, because his white blood cell count wasnever affected by the chemo, and some of the protocol helped to protect hisliver.Now we are thinking about trying high dose IV vitamin c to get his strengthback.Is high dose IV vitamin c compatible with Tony's protocol? I know Budwig Dietis against using high dose anti-oxydant (he started Budwig mix recently). Doesmy Dad need to stop taking the mix if he starts IVC?I really appreciate any comments.Tamaki