Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 In a message dated 1/11/2010 3:34:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, bookherder writes: My wake up call was when I had trigeminal headaches, and my choice with current popular medical practice was to get an operation that usually ends up with your face ends up with no feeling, or keep taking medicine that doesn't work and suffer the pain of excruciating headaches. Most people have to quit work and there life isn't very enjoyable. This choice wasn't even available to me because I didn't have the thousands of dollars it would have cost; I couldn't afford insurance either. ________________ My boyfriend's father has been diagnosed with trigeminal headaches and was given Keppra, which is for epilepsy. Bookherder, would you mind sharing what helped you? Do you feel that root canals may play a part? Thanks. Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I have a friend that had Trigeminal Neuralgia. As you know, it can be extremely debilitating and so it was for him. He went to a world center of excellence, a hospital in Pittsburgh, PA and finally found relief. This was after many years of suffering with horrible-effecting medicines and finally a first operation at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, PA that gave no relief. He almost gave up and was going to have the nerve cut-which would have permanently left the left side of his face feeling like he had a Novocain shot 24/7. But he persevered and did more research and found the Pittsburgh Docs. The surgeons there do 100's of these operations yearly and found the problem in my friend's brain that the surgeons at The U of P missed. Practice makes perfect. Their experience was paramount. Harry - sstenycat oleander soup Monday, January 11, 2010 2:21 PM Re: trigeminal headaches In a message dated 1/11/2010 3:34:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, bookherder writes: My wake up call was when I had trigeminal headaches, and my choice with current popular medical practice was to get an operation that usually ends up with your face ends up with no feeling, or keep taking medicine that doesn't work and suffer the pain of excruciating headaches. Most people have to quit work and there life isn't very enjoyable. This choice wasn't even available to me because I didn't have the thousands of dollars it would have cost; I couldn't afford insurance either. ________________ My boyfriend's father has been diagnosed with trigeminal headaches and was given Keppra, which is for epilepsy. Bookherder, would you mind sharing what helped you? Do you feel that root canals may play a part? Thanks. Terri Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release 01/11/10 07:35:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Hi Terri Root canal treatment, and indeed all dental treatments, including brushing your teeth can have an effect. I belong to a group called >Peoples Dental< that is a good source of information in that regard. In regards to headaches I took Feverfew, Evening Primrose Oil, and B2. Basic supplements I take right now is vitamins, mineral caps, and omega 3. At the time I searched other group members to see what groups they belonged to. When changed profile format, that was eliminated, but now You Tube has a lot of health info. When I search for something I never put in the exact website, as I get more related info. I also used essential oils, cold wet towels around the neck - - , and things I can't things I can't recall now. Addictions are big. I quit drinking coffee; alchohol, sugar, additives in food, like sodium nitrate, probably nicotine has an effect but that's an ongoing situation with me. Usually when you give up any addiction you feel worse before you feel better. The " zone diet " was crucial for me. It's a lot of work that has great rewards, like independence, good health, very little stress - which is a BIG factor in health. I hope you get the idea. The approach works for any ailment. Take what you need to relieve the pain, use the time away from pain to learn about your body. Hope this helps Michael oleander soup , sstenycat wrote: > > In a message dated 1/11/2010 3:34:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, > bookherder writes: > > My wake up call was when I had trigeminal headaches, and my choice with > current popular medical practice was to get an operation that usually ends up > with your face ends up with no feeling, or keep taking medicine that > doesn't work and suffer the pain of excruciating headaches. Most people have to > quit work and there life isn't very enjoyable. This choice wasn't even > available to me because I didn't have the thousands of dollars it would have > cost; I couldn't afford insurance either. > ________________ > > My boyfriend's father has been diagnosed with trigeminal headaches and was > given Keppra, which is > for epilepsy. Bookherder, would you mind sharing what helped you? Do you > feel that root canals > may play a part? > > Thanks. > > Terri > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Hi Harry That's a great story. I am glad your friend found relief. I would like to know more details. Evidently it was a misdiagnosis, which is quite common with head pain. There is a branch of chiropacty that has some success also. As of 3 years ago the state of the art was promising relief to the patient with the results similar to the Philadelphia doctors. I would like to pass the information on to the groups I use to participate in. What happens is that a blood vessel or artery expands to the point where it comes in contact with a nerve around the temple. That nerve extends to the teeth. On the way it gives pain to everything in between, like the eye, and causes teeth pain. I contend that that the same type of activity can cause migraine and cluster headaches. Thanks Michael oleander soup , " H & M Feld " <ariel wrote: > > I have a friend that had Trigeminal Neuralgia. As you know, it can be extremely debilitating and so it was for him. > He went to a world center of excellence, a hospital in Pittsburgh, PA and finally found relief. This was after many years of suffering with horrible-effecting medicines and finally a first operation at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, PA that gave no relief. He almost gave up and was going to have the nerve cut-which would have permanently left the left side of his face feeling like he had a Novocain shot 24/7. But he persevered and did more research and found the Pittsburgh Docs. The surgeons there do 100's of these operations yearly and found the problem in my friend's brain that the surgeons at The U of P missed. Practice makes perfect. Their experience was paramount. > > Harry > > - > sstenycat > oleander soup > Monday, January 11, 2010 2:21 PM > Re: trigeminal headaches > > > > > > In a message dated 1/11/2010 3:34:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, bookherder writes: > My wake up call was when I had trigeminal headaches, and my choice with current popular medical practice was to get an operation that usually ends up with your face ends up with no feeling, or keep taking medicine that doesn't work and suffer the pain of excruciating headaches. Most people have to quit work and there life isn't very enjoyable. This choice wasn't even available to me because I didn't have the thousands of dollars it would have cost; I couldn't afford insurance either. > ________________ > > My boyfriend's father has been diagnosed with trigeminal headaches and was given Keppra, which is > for epilepsy. Bookherder, would you mind sharing what helped you? Do you feel that root canals > may play a part? > > Thanks. > > Terri > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release 01/11/10 07:35:00 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Hello Michael, They onced called this problem the " suicide disease " . That's how bad it can get. My friend would get " electiric shocks " thru the one side of his face that would sometimes bring him to his knees. He never got bad headaches. If I'm remembering this right, the trigeminal nerve actually comes from inside the skull thru an opening on the side of the temple near the ear then down thru the face. The first docs at U of P " wrapped " the nerve in teflon so it would not touch surrounding tissue I believe. But that turned out not to be the fix. The fix turned out to be that a bunch of blood vessels were wrapped around the nerve deeper in the brain. The surgeons in Pittsburg untangled/lasered whatever to get rid of that bundled blood vessel area to relieve the pressure on the nerve. This took care of the problem for the most part. He still get little shocks every now and then that cause little discomfort but nothing like before and he considers these shocks inconsequential and can live with them easily. He does not get headaches at all. Brain surgery is no picnic and recovery took 6 months each time before he felt 100% again. It has been about a year now and he is doing fine. Harry - " Michael C " <bookherder <oleander soup > Tuesday, January 12, 2010 3:18 AM Re: trigeminal headaches > Hi Harry > > That's a great story. I am glad your friend found relief. I would like to > know more details. Evidently it was a misdiagnosis, which is quite common > with head pain. There is a branch of chiropacty that has some success > also. As of 3 years ago the state of the art was promising relief to the > patient with the results similar to the Philadelphia doctors. I would like > to pass the information on to the groups I use to participate in. > What happens is that a blood vessel or artery expands to the point where > it comes in contact with a nerve around the temple. That nerve extends to > the teeth. On the way it gives pain to everything in between, like the > eye, and causes teeth pain. > I contend that that the same type of activity can cause migraine and > cluster headaches. > > Thanks > Michael > > oleander soup , " H & M Feld " <ariel wrote: >> >> I have a friend that had Trigeminal Neuralgia. As you know, it can be >> extremely debilitating and so it was for him. >> He went to a world center of excellence, a hospital in Pittsburgh, PA and >> finally found relief. This was after many years of suffering with >> horrible-effecting medicines and finally a first operation at the >> University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, PA that gave no relief. He >> almost gave up and was going to have the nerve cut-which would have >> permanently left the left side of his face feeling like he had a Novocain >> shot 24/7. But he persevered and did more research and found the >> Pittsburgh Docs. The surgeons there do 100's of these operations yearly >> and found the problem in my friend's brain that the surgeons at The U of >> P missed. Practice makes perfect. Their experience was paramount. >> >> Harry >> >> - >> sstenycat >> oleander soup >> Monday, January 11, 2010 2:21 PM >> Re: trigeminal headaches >> >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/11/2010 3:34:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, >> bookherder writes: >> My wake up call was when I had trigeminal headaches, and my choice >> with current popular medical practice was to get an operation that >> usually ends up with your face ends up with no feeling, or keep taking >> medicine that doesn't work and suffer the pain of excruciating headaches. >> Most people have to quit work and there life isn't very enjoyable. This >> choice wasn't even available to me because I didn't have the thousands of >> dollars it would have cost; I couldn't afford insurance either. >> ________________ >> >> My boyfriend's father has been diagnosed with trigeminal headaches and >> was given Keppra, which is >> for epilepsy. Bookherder, would you mind sharing what helped you? Do >> you feel that root canals >> may play a part? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Terri >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release Date: >> 01/11/10 07:35:00 >> > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 As a chiropractor, the first thing I must say is that 'chiropracty' is not a word. Chiropractic sounds like and adjective; it is also the noun.Let me describe another form of head pain that is excruciating. It is temporal arteritis. Arteritis is an inflammation of an artery due to a out of control spasm. The location of the spasm is just above the TMJ. In such case rather than an artery irritating a nerve, an irritated nerve cause the arterial wall to spasm. Since the lining of arterial walls is loaded with pain nerve fibers, this causes a quickly manifesting intense pain. How intense? It has been intense enough in my case such that I'd be walking, and next thing I know, be immediately down on the ground. A quick adjustment to C2 to C4 on the affected side usually arrests the spasms in seconds.Michael L Goebel, DC, ACN--- On Tue, 1/12/10, H & M Feld <ariel wrote:H & M Feld <arielRe: Re: trigeminal headachesoleander soup Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:48 PM Hello Michael, They onced called this problem the "suicide disease". That's how bad it can get. My friend would get "electiric shocks" thru the one side of his face that would sometimes bring him to his knees. He never got bad headaches. If I'm remembering this right, the trigeminal nerve actually comes from inside the skull thru an opening on the side of the temple near the ear then down thru the face. The first docs at U of P "wrapped" the nerve in teflon so it would not touch surrounding tissue I believe. But that turned out not to be the fix. The fix turned out to be that a bunch of blood vessels were wrapped around the nerve deeper in the brain. The surgeons in Pittsburg untangled/lasered whatever to get rid of that bundled blood vessel area to relieve the pressure on the nerve. This took care of the problem for the most part. He still get little shocks every now and then that cause little discomfort but nothing like before and he considers these shocks inconsequential and can live with them easily. He does not get headaches at all. Brain surgery is no picnic and recovery took 6 months each time before he felt 100% again. It has been about a year now and he is doing fine. Harry - "Michael C" <bookherder > <oleander soup> Tuesday, January 12, 2010 3:18 AM Re: trigeminal headaches > Hi Harry > > That's a great story. I am glad your friend found relief. I would like to > know more details. Evidently it was a misdiagnosis, which is quite common > with head pain. There is a branch of chiropacty that has some success > also. As of 3 years ago the state of the art was promising relief to the > patient with the results similar to the Philadelphia doctors. I would like > to pass the information on to the groups I use to participate in. > What happens is that a blood vessel or artery expands to the point where > it comes in contact with a nerve around the temple. That nerve extends to > the teeth. On the way it gives pain to everything in between, like the > eye, and causes teeth pain. > I contend that that the same type of activity can cause migraine and > cluster headaches. > > Thanks > Michael > > oleander soup, "H & M Feld" <ariel wrote: >> >> I have a friend that had Trigeminal Neuralgia. As you know, it can be >> extremely debilitating and so it was for him. >> He went to a world center of excellence, a hospital in Pittsburgh, PA and >> finally found relief. This was after many years of suffering with >> horrible-effecting medicines and finally a first operation at the >> University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, PA that gave no relief. He >> almost gave up and was going to have the nerve cut-which would have >> permanently left the left side of his face feeling like he had a Novocain >> shot 24/7. But he persevered and did more research and found the >> Pittsburgh Docs. The surgeons there do 100's of these operations yearly >> and found the problem in my friend's brain that the surgeons at The U of >> P missed. Practice makes perfect. Their experience was paramount. >> >> Harry >> >> - >> sstenycat@.. . >> oleander soup >> Monday, January 11, 2010 2:21 PM >> Re: trigeminal headaches >> >> >> >> >> >> In a message dated 1/11/2010 3:34:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, >> bookherder@. .. writes: >> My wake up call was when I had trigeminal headaches, and my choice >> with current popular medical practice was to get an operation that >> usually ends up with your face ends up with no feeling, or keep taking >> medicine that doesn't work and suffer the pain of excruciating headaches. >> Most people have to quit work and there life isn't very enjoyable. This >> choice wasn't even available to me because I didn't have the thousands of >> dollars it would have cost; I couldn't afford insurance either. >> ____________ ____ >> >> My boyfriend's father has been diagnosed with trigeminal headaches and >> was given Keppra, which is >> for epilepsy. Bookherder, would you mind sharing what helped you? Do >> you feel that root canals >> may play a part? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Terri >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - >> >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.134/2613 - Release >> 01/11/10 07:35:00 >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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