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In a message dated 99-11-05 02:29:53 EST, you write:

 

<< Your law includes

all natural drugless substances made from herbs. >>

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This was the catch. Homeopathy defined itself as 'the use of drugs' per se,

as well as a form of 'medicine', and for these reasons it was taken out of

the scope of practice. From the Legal Dept of the Calif Acupuncture Committee

in 1993, it states that " an acupuncturist has no authority to administer or

prescribe drugs " . The Sherman Food, Drug and Cosmetic Law defines " drugs " as

(1) articles recognized in the official US Pharmacopoeia, official

Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia of the US, or official National Formulary.

Furthermore, in this same opinion, 'Homeopathy is defined in the Attorney's

Dictionary of Medicine as " A system of treating diseases by the use of small

doses of medicine which in large doses...the medicine used to treat a given

disease... " .

 

So, since homeopathic remedies are recognized in one of the official

compendiums, it is considered a drug under the Health and safety Code,

especially since is it prescribed with the intent to cure, treat, mitigate or

prevent a disease. Since acupuncturists are authorized to prescribe and

administer treatments to " normalize physiological functions " or " to promote

health " , they cannot claim to 'treat disease' or 'use medicines', but can

only " prescribe drugless substances as dietary supplements " . The opinion

concluded by stating that since homeopathy is a 'system of treating diseases'

and are used for 'therapeutic or medicinal purposes'. and " since

acupuncturists are not allowed to administer or prescribe homeopathic

preparations and the use of homeopathic preparations is fundamental to the

practice of homeopathy, we conclude that the practice of homeopathy is not

within the acupuncture scope of practice " .

 

This was clarified a few months later again in 1993, and again with a legal

opinion from the famous California Acupuncture Committe: " However, an

acupuncturist would not be permitted to prescribe herbs or substances

intended for medicinal purposes because they would then be considered to be

drugs, and, as such, would fall outside the parameters of being a 'drugless

substance' " . So, homeopathy, but its own definition and inclusion in the

pharmacopoeia, was ruled out.

 

Since that ruling, homeopaths have tried to claim 'drugless' substances by

FDA standards as remedies are beyond Avagadro's number in molecular count,

and have even tried to call it " micro-nutrition " but to no avail. Needless to

say, I was quite bummed, and left California. Here on the reservation,

however, there are no such stipulations regarding scope of practice, and

remedies are administered daily.

Gina

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The issue of homeopathy in the scope of practice is quite controversial at

this time. While the acupuncture board wants to shoot itself in the foot

by reading in limitations in the law that don't apply, the law does state

'drugless substances'. Many acupuncturists in California practice

homeopathic medicine.

 

 

 

 

 

 

>TLuger ()

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>I thought homeopathy was part of california scope. Your law includes

>all natural drugless substances made from herbs. Perhaps homeopathy has

>been excluded in some ruling by the board or a court. Admittedly I

>don't follow California legal and admin decisions that closely.

>

>Also, it seems I am out of date on the teaching of homeopathy at

>acupuncture colleges. It is not part of the curriculum at most schools

>anymore. however I have a stack of catalogs from 1990 and it was taught

>at most schools at that time. Excuse my obsolescence.

>

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Zev-

That's true, many Calif acupuncturists do practice homeopathy, but we were

told in very specific language, that we would be shut down and licences

revoked if it were to be found out.

Gina

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What I heard was that homeopathy has to be practiced SEPARATELY from

Chinese medicine, rather than as part of CM.

 

 

 

 

>Fourwolves

>

>Zev-

>That's true, many Calif acupuncturists do practice homeopathy, but we were

>told in very specific language, that we would be shut down and licences

>revoked if it were to be found out.

>Gina

>

>>Chronic Diseases Heal - Chinese Herbs Can Help

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I see a real prejudice against homeopathy by a variety of Chinese medicalprofessionals. The arguments they field strike a true parallel with MD'sand others, who feel that " sticking needles in someone cannot possibly haveany therapeutic effect". I would respectfully suggest letting whateverworks, work for others, whether or not it works for you.>>>>>>

Pesonatly I am still waiting for the NIH study on homeopathy. Most of the reviews I read on positive studies find the studies to have great deficiencies. Also I am not sure animals do not have a placebo effect. Since there is interaction with the animal. Animals can certainly learn from past experience. May be they got better going to a vat one time and the next time they associate feeling better when they see a vat

alon

 

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In regards to Todd's statement that he has seen no reliable evidence thathomeopathy has any more than a placebo effect, should tell that to the vetsin my area who use such concoctions on animals with superb results. Tellthat to the animal owners who use homeopathy, as prescibed by their vets, tomaintain the health of their pets. There is NO placebo effect with animals,unless you know something about mammalian psychology that I do not. TheBritish royal family, particularly the Queen Mother ( who can buy, sell orafford any physician in the world ) has used homeopathy for years and swearsby it. She is in her hundredth decade. Although, it could be argued thatit is her daily regimen of two double gins before 11AM that keep her young!I do not use homeopathy in my practice because I am not well versed in itsuse. I do know, however, several DOM's in New Mexico - where injectiontherapy is legal for use by acupuncturists - who use Taumeel, by the Germancompany Heel, with great results in pain management.I see a real prejudice against homeopathy by a variety of Chinese medicalprofessionals. The arguments they field strike a true parallel with MD'sand others, who feel that " sticking needles in someone cannot possibly haveany therapeutic effect". I would respectfully suggest letting whateverworks, work for others, whether or not it works for you.Gary-Sunday, September 17, 2000 6:49 AM Digest Number 330Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcarepractitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializingin Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services,including board approved online continuing education.http://www..org------There are 6 messages in this issue.Topics in this digest: 1. [Fwd: Welcome to ] Todd < 2. Re: herb safety, was placebo effects Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden 3. Re: herb safety, was placebo effects <alonmarcus 4. Re: placebo effects "" <zrosenberg 5. Re: placebo effects " L.Ac." 6. re: placebo effects Todd <__________Message: 1 Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:17:14 -0700 Todd <[Fwd: Welcome to ]ChckAbra wrote:> I am a student of TCM under Dr. Wu in New York City. I hope to become a> competent practitioner of both acupuncture and herbal medicine. I am very> happy to be a member.> Thank you,> Paul Abraham--DirectorChinese Herbal Medicinehttp://www..org__________Message: 2 Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:46:59 -0400 Karen S Vaughan <creationsgardenRe: herb safety, was placebo effectsAlon Marcus wrote:" For example, Digxin is safer than the herbal verity in equivalenttherapeutic dose and Sudafed has less side-effects than Ma Huang (onequivalent effective dose)."Well not really. While it is true that digitalis (foxglove) needs to beassayed because the plant is variable in concentration, the so-calledside effects of herbal digitalis (headache, etc.) were a warning signthat the narrow therapeutic window was being exceeded. It probably savedlives. With the drug, the warning sign has been lost and it is easier toinduce fatalities. In any event there are better formulas for cardiacuse.If you compare Ma huang to extracted ephederine, which was used forasthma for a number of years you will find that it fell out of favorbecause the drug caused racing of the heart. Ma huang contains compoundsthat slow the heartbeat as well as those which speed it up, so includes abuffering mechanism.And historic formulas and dosing, which account for most uses of theseplants, have been adequately vetted for most conditions. I know of noevidence that Sudafed is superior to ma huang tang, a far bettercomparison.Karen VaughanCreationsGarden***************************************Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.Man, surrounded by facts, permitting himself no suprise, no intuitiveflash, no great hypothesis, no risk, is in a locked cell." -LillianSmith______________YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.__________Message: 3 Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:35:43 -0700 <alonmarcusRe: herb safety, was placebo effectsMa huang contains compoundsthat slow the heartbeat as well as those which speed it up, so includes abuffering mechanism.>>Yes but not for increasing blood pressure which ma huang does more thanpsudoephedrine. All I am saying is that there is two much dogmaticstatements going on. I truly believe that it is better to include allavailable information before making obsolete statements. What may look oneway when viewed from one perspective may look very different from another.It is just as foolish to engorge OM as it is to ignore other systemincluding modern medicine.alon - Karen S Vaughan Saturday, September 16, 2000 12:46 PM Re: herb safety, was placebo effects My Groups | Main Page | Start a new group! Alon Marcus wrote: " For example, Digxin is safer than the herbal verity in equivalent therapeutic dose and Sudafed has less side-effects than Ma Huang (on equivalent effective dose)." Well not really. While it is true that digitalis (foxglove) needs to be assayed because the plant is variable in concentration, the so-called side effects of herbal digitalis (headache, etc.) were a warning sign that the narrow therapeutic window was being exceeded. It probably saved lives. With the drug, the warning sign has been lost and it is easier to induce fatalities. In any event there are better formulas for cardiac use. If you compare Ma huang to extracted ephederine, which was used for asthma for a number of years you will find that it fell out of favor because the drug caused racing of the heart. Ma huang contains compounds that slow the heartbeat as well as those which speed it up, so includes a buffering mechanism. And historic formulas and dosing, which account for most uses of these plants, have been adequately vetted for most conditions. I know of no evidence that Sudafed is superior to ma huang tang, a far better comparison. Karen Vaughan CreationsGarden *************************************** Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment. Man, surrounded by facts, permitting himself no suprise, no intuitive flash, no great hypothesis, no risk, is in a locked cell." -Lillian Smith ______________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcarepractitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializingin Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services,including board approved online continuing education. [This message contained attachments]__________Message: 4 Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:53:24 -0700 "" <zrosenbergRe: placebo effects What is your rationale for comparing Sudafed and ma Huang? How do youcompare the pharmacology of the two? How do you consider dosage, or thefact that ma Hung is NEVER used alone in Chinese medicine?.>>>>>First you have to look at a large population being treated w/ SudafedandTCM formulas contain ma huang. You need to be able to have objectiveparameters to compare. You need to take out belief system out of the pictureby using blind techniques. And you have to track all reported and measurableside-effects. When looking at ma huang as a single herb you have to look atthe effects of the whole drug which for example is much more likely toincrease blood pressure.The problem with using 'blind techniques' is that it violates one of thecore principles of Chinese medicine, which is individualizing theprescription for individual patients. The actions of medicines are modifiedby climate, body type, and disease. For example, Tao Hong-jing states thatin northern China, the people are more thick-skinned, and the weather cold.One needs to use 9-12 gms. of ma huang per dose to induce sweating anddisperse wind cold. In southern regions, the people have less body fat,sweat easily, therefore, if used at all, ma huang should be used in 2-3 gm.dosage.How can you get out of belief systems of medicine if you use a clinicaltrial method established by biomedicine?>>>>I have worked in China and Japan, studied with Miriam Lee for 2 years,Angela wu for Six months, followed Dr Yat Kai Lai for 1yr. And w/ all ofthem took notes as well as phone numbers of patients that I followed. A yearfollowing the termination of their treatments I called and followed up onmany of them. These are all very well known practitioners with greatreputations. I did as much follow up as I could in China as well. You willbe very surprise if you new what was promised or predicated by the abovepractitioners and what I found on follow-up. I have also seen over 2 dozensof Michael Broffmanpatients and read many of their written reports (or more accurately poems)most of which to my reading were not impressive at all. They can beinterpreted in many ways and do not give a clear clinical diagnosisprognosis and often even treatments. You can project on to them what everyou want and thus ether confirm what you want or reject other points.As in a famous Chinese medical statement, "the inferior physician will cure30% of his patients, as they will have gotten better anyway.">>>>Yes there are many such general statements but that does not cut it forme.I believe in OM very much, however, I am not willing to just except oldwritings, especially when considering the great amount of culturalexaggeration found in Chinese poems and other old writingsAlonAlon, If you think Michael Broffman's case histories are poems, and not clear,and that 'old writings' are culturally exaggerated, there really is not muchelse to discuss in this forum. The principles of Chinese medicine aresound, well established, and worthy of study. This is a subject we haveonly scratched the surface of. . . .if you don't want to examine thisfurther, I rest my case.[This message contained attachments]__________Message: 5 Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:46:50 -0700 " L.Ac." Re: placebo effectsI've wanted to stay out of this but...Alon seems to take a position that I see many of my colleagues and studentstake. There is a frustration which frankly I don't see. As for me, andperhaps many of us, I came to this medicine as an artist, interested in thephilosophical paradigms and ended up to some extent another kind of healer. If I were 20 again and knew what I was going to be doing 25 years laterI don't know if I would have changed things, gritted my teeth, put on astethoscope and turned M.D. But right now, today.. no regrets. When I was deep into making art, the point was to go beyond the present,stretch the boundaries and push into new frontiers. Now I accept that is accepting the ancient. (Maybe this is my Yin to myformer Yang.) I don't think that one can do without thisacceptance. You can USE but there has to be that leap offate. As Kaptchuk said, it will be Western Medicine that will accept but never the other way around. I'm very comfortable withthat.I don't know why Alon continues to do medicine if the results from hismentors were so poor. Gee, that would be extremely discouraging. I'm amazedat the miracles I've pulled off, on cases that I thought would take monthsif at all, and frustrated at the "easy" stuff that just won't respond. ButI'll continue, seems like I have no other choice and the patients aren'tcomplaining, (at least the ones that come back). ;-) I'm reminded of another Kaptchuk story from his "other" book: SomeM.D.'s did a trial where they did a heart procedure on some patients andjust made an incision on others, fooling them into thinking they had theprocedure. Both groups improved their condition to a great extent butbecause the "placebo" (Ren 17?) worked just as well as the actual procedureit was felt that it wasn't a legitimate therapy and BOTH the operation andthe "placebo" were discontinued. Now there is Western thought for you.> >>>>Yes there are many such general statements but that does not cut it> for me.>I believe in OM very much, however, I am not willing to just except old>writings, especially when considering the great amount of cultural>exaggeration found in Chinese poems and other old writings>Alon>>Alon,> If you think Michael Broffman's case histories are poems, and not> clear, and that 'old writings' are culturally exaggerated, there really> is not much else to discuss in this forum. The principles of Chinese> medicine are sound, well established, and worthy of study. This is a> subject we have only scratched the surface of. . . .if you don't want to> examine this further, I rest my case.>>>>>Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare>practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics>specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of>professional services, including board approved online continuingeducation.>><http://www..org>http://www..orgDouglas L.Ac.acupuncture & herbssafe, compassionate care1823 Wilshire Blvd. #610Santa Monica, CA90403310 264-9197[This message contained attachments]__________Message: 6 Sun, 17 Sep 2000 00:22:23 -0700 Todd <re: placebo effectsI think people may be missing Alon's point and they are certainlymissing mine on this subject. I would not suggest to practice TCMaccording to biomedical parameters nor reduce the understanding of herbsto the current scientific paradigm. However, I stand by my originalstatements. I believe herbs are dose dependent in function. I haveseen no reliable evidence that homeopathy does anything beyond placeboeffect. And when I say evidence, I refer to actual measures ofoutcome. I do not see how measuring an outcome using objective modernparameters does anything but assess TCM. It does not impact thepractice of TCM to step back and assess a purely traditional andclassical approach. If we claim to be able to help seriously illpatients recover, then in those cases where an objective measure exists,then should not this measure change over the course of a successfultraditional treatment? If not, what basis do we ultimately use todetermine cure? If we change the tongue and pulse to our satisfaction,but the patient's tumor meanwhile metastasizes, then I consider that afailure. Or perhaps proteinuria in kidney disease increases and thepatient needs dialysis. Again failure. And I think this sort ofconfirmation should make one reconsider whether they have chosen thecorrect therapy. One may still have accomplished the more nebulousgoals of art or healing, but in my experience, patients themselves arerather looking to survive or be relieved of immense physical suffering.I also know from examining thousands of clinical abstracts from chinaover the years that such objective measures typically go hand in handwith cures as assessed by a group of TCM experts. This does nothing torend the conceptual fabric of TCM, however it does everything tolegitimize TCM to mainstream critics. Perhaps some master physicianwhom I've never met could actually rely on naked sense observation aloneand be right every time, but I defer to something outside myself forproof. Likewise, though I have spent thousands and thousands of hourshandling bulk herbs, I think I know a good quality herb from a bad one,but I lay any odds that I would not be able to assess the actual potencyof any given batch without actually ingesting a sample and feeling itseffects.--DirectorChinese Herbal Medicinehttp://www..org__________Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services, including board approved online continuing education.

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on 9/17/00 7:26 PM, alonmarcus at alonmarcus wrote:

 

 

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I see a real prejudice against homeopathy by a variety of Chinese medical

professionals. The arguments they field strike a true parallel with MD's

and others, who feel that " sticking needles in someone cannot possibly have

any therapeutic effect " . I would respectfully suggest letting whatever

works, work for others, whether or not it works for you.

 

>>>>>>

Pesonatly I am still waiting for the NIH study on homeopathy. Most of the reviews I read on positive studies find the studies to have great deficiencies. Also I am not sure animals do not have a placebo effect. Since there is interaction with the animal. Animals can certainly learn from past experience. May be they got better going to a vat one time and the next time they associate feeling better when they see a vat

alon

 

I really don't understand why anyone would wait for studies before recommending a medical modality or system. . . .. the first step would be to study the system to see if it is logically consistent, read the case histories of the practitioners, and take it from there, before the studies. How can anyone understand homeopathy without some basic study of the discipline? Or, Chinese medicine for that matter?

 

 

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Hmm... the wording in this article is telling.

 

>That theory, for which there is not a shred of evidence

 

Must be nice for the allopaths, controlling the mental paradigm so

well that the limitations of their languaging go unquestioned. Oh

look, here we go again:

 

>the active ingredient is long gone.

 

Do I trust an article that can demonstrate in only five words that

its author has no real understanding of the theories in question?

 

>Now, The Lancet concludes, it's up to the doctors, who " need to be

>bold and honest with their patients about homeopathy's lack of

>benefit. " For scientifically-literate physicians, that shouldn't be

>so difficult to do.

 

You know, it's the Lancet that published comments from a doctor (who

obviously knows better and must therefore be promoting an agenda at

the sacrifice of intellectual honesty) defending aspartame with the

fallacious methanol-in-fruit argument, refused to publish a rebuttal,

and refuses to allow any more debate on the topics.

 

Allopaths who like to hide behind the authoritative aura of reductive

science, slinging mud at their competition, while the walls of their

own glass house are in serious need of washing... not the kind of

people whose rantings I put much stock in.

 

Best,

Josh

 

 

 

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as far as homepathics go, the part about the greater the dilution the better

the results has always been confusing to me, however, i cannot believe the

results i have had with 200C and 1M pellets have been " placebo " effects.

 

When all other children around my daughter developed strep throat and were

on antibiotics, 200C Belladonna put her fever and sore throat to rest. when

i *broke my collarbone* snowboarding i first went home and grabbed the 1M

arnica then went to the emergency room. the nurses kept poking the actual

fracture saying " well, it can't be broken if i can poke it " or " it just

isn't swollen or bruised enough to be a fracture " . well, good thing we went

ahead with xray b/c it was. i can't count the number of bad tumbles I've

taken on my snowboard that should otherwise have resulted in a sprain or

nasty bruise that arnica kept from developing at all. Not to mention my

snowboarding buddies who have connective tissues that have literally been

stripped away b/c they reached for the Advil too often and now they're

asking me how to use arnica instead. I suppose if they need evidence of

arnica vs. advil, they could just follow me and my snowboarding cohorts

around for one season!!!

 

the list goes on, but I suppose I'm preaching to the choir here. if this is

a placebo, it's one hell of a placebo and i'm sticking with it!!! surely,

if it is not a life and death situation it makes sense to at least try the

most gentle and natural form of healing first.

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" snowboarding buddies who have connective tissues that have literally been

> stripped away b/c they reached for the Advil too often "

 

Please explain.

 

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I'm not sure if I have a medical explanation but the long term effect of

using Advil to relieve joint and connective tissue pain is that his

connective tissues have become thin and frail. I know that long term use of

ibuprofen is linked with stomach ulcers and such disorders and I think a

similar effect has been happening to his connective tissues. His case is

the only one that I know of Advil destroying connective tissue, but it's

still a pretty good argument for not reaching for the Advil bottle first.

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I had a friend who was TT and had cirrhosis (sp?) of the liver from Advil.

Not good stuff!

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Thursday, October 06, 2005 12:05 PM

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> I'm not sure if I have a medical explanation but the long term effect of

> using Advil to relieve joint and connective tissue pain is that his

> connective tissues have become thin and frail. I know that long term use

> of

> ibuprofen is linked with stomach ulcers and such disorders and I think a

> similar effect has been happening to his connective tissues. His case is

> the only one that I know of Advil destroying connective tissue, but it's

> still a pretty good argument for not reaching for the Advil bottle first.

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Hello everyone,

 

I am new to the forum. I have always leaned towards homeopathic and

natural healing, herbs and natural vitamins and minerals etc. I joined

the group hoping to find some members here who are dealing with Chronic

Kidney Disease but NOT on dialysis yet. My husband is in stage 4 and we

are so desperate for some information.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

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Tannis please go over to Ayurveda on lone where there are a few Drs who will

tell you what to use - and search their message search engine to find the

kidney info there was an excellent article on treatment for kidneys within

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Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:21 PM

Re: HOMEOPATHY

 

 

Hello everyone,

 

I am new to the forum. I have always leaned towards homeopathic and

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are so desperate for some information.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

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Tuesday, April 08, 2008 1:21 PM

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Hello everyone,

 

I am new to the forum. I have always leaned towards homeopathic and

natural healing, herbs and natural vitamins and minerals etc. I joined

the group hoping to find some members here who are dealing with Chronic

Kidney Disease but NOT on dialysis yet. My husband is in stage 4 and we

are so desperate for some information.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

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Tennessee, Nashville area

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works great. Options are often Nux vomica, Arsenicum, Ipecac, Cadmium Sulph. You

need a lot of resarch or a good homeopath to help you pick when the indiviual

unique to you, symptoms appear.