thyroid

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Message: 15

Lisa,

 

I saw in the files that the Black Walnut Hull extract

is recommended. Do you think that capsules would work

okay? I just saw my 11 year old daughter's blood work

at the doctor and her thyroid T4 level is at the

bottom of the range. Both my husband and I have

thyroid problems (as well as most of our immediate

family members) and I would really like to stop her

from having to take meds for the rest of her life.

 

She really balks at taking any type of supplement and

if it doesn't taste good, I will never get her to take

it. Capsules would be easier.

 

Thanks!

 

<<Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:21:55 +0100

" Lisa de Haas " <lisa

Re: thyroid.

 

Hello Roxy,

 

The ultimate best solution would be to do the Total

Body Cleanse, as

explained in the files on the groups website.

 

On an immediate basis, meanwhile, you can take Black

Walnut Hull

Formula - see the files also for recipe. This formula

re-balances the

thyroid.

 

love

Lisa>>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Doc normally recommends tincture, as it is absorbed better and more complete. So I would try tincture first. You could disguise it in her favourite food or drink? I take all my tinctures with (almond) milk, and it tastes fine that way. Or even better would be to take it in a smoothie - you can probably hardly taste it that way. Who knows, she might even like the taste :-)

 

If you all have thyroid problems, you probably should all take it.

 

Even better would be to do the Total Body Cleanse!!

 

love

Lisa

 

-

J. Sweigart

herbal remedies

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:02 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Thyroid

Message: 15 Lisa,I saw in the files that the Black Walnut Hull extractis recommended. Do you think that capsules would workokay? I just saw my 11 year old daughter's blood workat the doctor and her thyroid T4 level is at thebottom of the range. Both my husband and I havethyroid problems (as well as most of our immediatefamily members) and I would really like to stop herfrom having to take meds for the rest of her life.She really balks at taking any type of supplement andif it doesn't taste good, I will never get her to takeit. Capsules would be easier.

[Guest guest]

It's tough, especially when children have been brought up to like the sweets, the salt, and the not so good things. These are food addictions that can be as serious as drug addictions. In my CD lecture I discuss enzyme inhibitors as a major factor to obeisity and ill health. This still holds true.

 

Probably the easiest, immediate handling for thyroid difficulties is the Total Nutrition Recipe (in the files) and the Black Walnut tincture. You wanna have the tincture as it works better than caps.

 

The way to get your daughter over to a healthy diet is on a gradient scale. Trying to force her to switch cold turkey won't work at all. Ya gotta do it one step and thing at a time. If she won't take 2 tablespoons of the TN start off with a teaspoon. Just make sure you are firm with the changes you make.

 

Also, you gotta walk the talk. If you're gonna have your daughter quit sugar (for example) you can't take it either, and for sure you can't have any in the house.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Yours in Health and Love,

 

Doc

 

Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc

 

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J. Sweigart

herbal remedies

Wednesday, August 17, 2005 9:02 AM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Thyroid

Message: 15 Lisa,I saw in the files that the Black Walnut Hull extractis recommended. Do you think that capsules would workokay? I just saw my 11 year old daughter's blood workat the doctor and her thyroid T4 level is at thebottom of the range. Both my husband and I havethyroid problems (as well as most of our immediatefamily members) and I would really like to stop herfrom having to take meds for the rest of her life.She really balks at taking any type of supplement andif it doesn't taste good, I will never get her to takeit. Capsules would be easier.Thanks! <<Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:21:55 +0100 "Lisa de Haas" <lisaRe: thyroid.Hello Roxy,The ultimate best solution would be to do the TotalBody Cleanse, as explained in the files on the groups website.On an immediate basis, meanwhile, you can take BlackWalnut Hull Formula - see the files also for recipe. This formulare-balances the thyroid.loveLisa>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Lisa. I'll try the smoothie. Being that my

daughter is 11 going on 30, it's not easy to fool her

yet she is not at the age where she totally

understands how important it is to do certain things

for her health. She even balks at the way we eat

(organic) and wants sweets and junk whenever she can

get them.

 

I am working on my own thyroid but unfortunately my

husband was given radioactive iodine to kill his

thyroid many years ago and will never get back any

function. At the time, I was very upset about him

getting it done but didn't know enough to come up with

any alternatives. I was able to help him when the

synthetic meds didn't help him and found a doctor who

would prescribe the natural meds.

 

<<Message: 18

Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:33:36 +0100

" Lisa de Haas " <lisa

Re: Re: Thyroid

 

Doc normally recommends tincture, as it is absorbed

better and more

complete. So I would try tincture first. You could

disguise it in her

favourite food or drink? I take all my tinctures with

(almond) milk, and it

tastes fine that way. Or even better would be to take

it in a smoothie

- you can probably hardly taste it that way. Who

knows, she might even

like the taste :-)

 

If you all have thyroid problems, you probably should

all take it.

 

Even better would be to do the Total Body Cleanse!!

 

love

Lisa>>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

well, take it one step at a time, and you'll find in a few years that you're all really healthy!!! That's all any of us can do!

 

love

Lisa

 

-

J. Sweigart

herbal remedies

Thursday, August 18, 2005 12:31 PM

Herbal Remedies - Re: Thyroid

Thanks Lisa. I'll try the smoothie. Being that mydaughter is 11 going on 30, it's not easy to fool heryet she is not at the age where she totallyunderstands how important it is to do certain thingsfor her health. She even balks at the way we eat(organic) and wants sweets and junk whenever she canget them.I am working on my own thyroid but unfortunately myhusband was given radioactive iodine to kill histhyroid many years ago and will never get back anyfunction. At the time, I was very upset about himgetting it done but didn't know enough to come up withany alternatives. I was able to help him when thesynthetic meds didn't help him and found a doctor whowould prescribe the natural meds.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

In case of hypothyroid, you have to do away with certain foods such as cabbage, cauliflower, peanuts, lettuce and mustard. You consult a good homeopath who may suggest Thyrodinum, iodum and some constitutional remedy. If you have a good acupressure therapist nearbyby, he can also help you very much by activating the endocryne glands such as pituitary, pineal, thyroid, solar plexus, adrenal and sex glands along with liver and spleen. I have tried this on many patients and have gor results with in 90 to 120 days.

with regards,

MJGRoxy <my4by4forus wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

So I had to go back on the levothroxine.

 

The pharmacy said I'd die if I didn't have it.

 

So they suggested another brand or synthetic.

anyone have a suggestion?

 

I am doing in addition.

The Black Walnut hull

Selenium, flax seed oil. and kelp.

 

Someone from this site wrote this morning suggestion was

coconut oil. But didn't say how to use it.

 

I am also coming off of phetemine. Like a drug prescription of speed for weight gain. And I didn't get a new script.

But the pharmacy suggested cutting the dose to a smaller amount and weaning off of it as well.

 

So any thoughts . Thank you. Roxy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

thanks again for your reply. I will follow up with your suggestions.

 

On the kelp or the black walnut. One of them make me use the bathroom

often. Should I cut back. I'm taking both twice a day. one each.

But my eyes are red allot as well. Their not the red white and blue.

Their more like red with yellow. so is something detoxify my body and

this is why? Or just going back on meds? your advise please. Roxy

 

----

 

 

George Maniparambil

08/21/05 14:14:57

herbal remedies

Re: Herbal Remedies - thyroid

 

Hi,

In case of hypothyroid, you have to do away with certain foods such as cabbage, cauliflower, peanuts, lettuce and mustard. You consult a good homeopath who may suggest Thyrodinum, iodum and some constitutional remedy. If you have a good acupressure therapist nearbyby, he can also help you very much by activating the endocryne glands such as pituitary, pineal, thyroid, solar plexus, adrenal and sex glands along with liver and spleen. I have tried this on many patients and have gor results with in 90 to 120 days.

with regards,

MJGRoxy <my4by4forus wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

So I had to go back on the levothroxine.

 

The pharmacy said I'd die if I didn't have it.

 

So they suggested another brand or synthetic.

anyone have a suggestion?

 

I am doing in addition.

The Black Walnut hull

Selenium, flax seed oil. and kelp.

 

Someone from this site wrote this morning suggestion was

coconut oil. But didn't say how to use it.

 

I am also coming off of phetemine. Like a drug prescription of speed for weight gain. And I didn't get a new script.

But the pharmacy suggested cutting the dose to a smaller amount and weaning off of it as well.

 

So any thoughts . Thank you. Roxy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I took medicine for my thyroid for a couple of years,

and they said my levels were fine. My chiropractor

recommended iodine. I started taking it and when they

did the blood test they said I had no thyroid problem,

and they did not know what I was talking about. You

might what to check in to that. I have an underactive

thyroid. Do your fingernails have ridges on them,

kinda like a ripples potaotoe chip.

 

--- Roxy <my4by4forus wrote:

 

> So I had to go back on the levothroxine.

>

> The pharmacy said I'd die if I didn't have it.

>

> So they suggested another brand or synthetic.

> anyone have a suggestion?

>

> I am doing in addition.

> The Black Walnut hull

> Selenium, flax seed oil. and kelp.

>

> Someone from this site wrote this morning suggestion

> was

> coconut oil. But didn't say how to use it.

>

> I am also coming off of phetemine. Like a drug

> prescription of speed for

> weight gain. And I didn't get a new script.

> But the pharmacy suggested cutting the dose to a

> smaller amount and weaning

> off of it as well.

>

> So any thoughts . Thank you. Roxy

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi! my name is Cathy and I am new at this. I have a thyroid problem.

I have no energy, I have gained weight, and seem depressed all the

time. I am on medication now and they say it has leved out, but I

still feel the same. Can you tell me the best herbs I can use?

 

herbal remedies , Lorena Bliss

<herbmom42> wrote:

> I took medicine for my thyroid for a couple of years,

> and they said my levels were fine. My chiropractor

> recommended iodine. I started taking it and when they

> did the blood test they said I had no thyroid problem,

> and they did not know what I was talking about. You

> might what to check in to that. I have an underactive

> thyroid. Do your fingernails have ridges on them,

> kinda like a ripples potaotoe chip.

>

> --- Roxy <my4by4forus@m...> wrote:

>

> > So I had to go back on the levothroxine.

> >

> > The pharmacy said I'd die if I didn't have it.

> >

> > So they suggested another brand or synthetic.

> > anyone have a suggestion?

> >

> > I am doing in addition.

> > The Black Walnut hull

> > Selenium, flax seed oil. and kelp.

> >

> > Someone from this site wrote this morning suggestion

> > was

> > coconut oil. But didn't say how to use it.

> >

> > I am also coming off of phetemine. Like a drug

> > prescription of speed for

> > weight gain. And I didn't get a new script.

> > But the pharmacy suggested cutting the dose to a

> > smaller amount and weaning

> > off of it as well.

> >

> > So any thoughts . Thank you. Roxy

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cathy,

 

there is no short/quick answer for you. You would need to improve your lifestyle and diet for starters and then do the Total Body Cleanse to get rid of toxins and repair your organs.

You need to:

get more exercise

change to organic food

get more sunlight

check out Doc's article on enzyme inhibitors in the files

then do the TBC

 

Meanwhile, you can start taking Black Walnut Hull Formula to start re-balancing your thyroid.

 

love

Lisa

 

-

cfrazier5002

herbal remedies

Friday, September 16, 2005 2:47 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - thyroid

Hi! my name is Cathy and I am new at this. I have a thyroid problem. I have no energy, I have gained weight, and seem depressed all the time. I am on medication now and they say it has leved out, but I still feel the same. Can you tell me the best herbs I can use?

[Guest guest]

One of the problems with thyroid disease is that it is undertreated in

this country. AACE (American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists)

has determined that a TSH of over 3.0 is an indication of thyroid

problems and not good for optimun health but many doctors do not

follow that. They still go by the outdated hormone levels listed on

lab reports. Another problem with thyroid treatment is that doctors

will still look at TSH levels even after a person is on thyroid meds

even though it is not a good indicator of thyroid levels. The TSH

comes from the pituitary gland and stimulates the thyroid to produce

its hormones. Once you introduce meds, the cycle is broken and you

should rely more on the actual hormone levels (Free T3 and Free T4).

Unfortunately, most doctors still only use the outdated thyroid panel

when doing testing which only includes TSH, T4 (not free) and T3

Uptake (has nothing to do with T3 levels). They are also afraid of

overmedicating people that they are actually undermedicating them. The

thyroid hormones control every metabolic action in the body yet

doctors consciously undermedicate.

 

My advice is to keep looking for a doctor who will take into

consideration how you are actually feeling. Do you take any meds? If

you don't, you probably need some. If you already take T4 meds, then

you probably need some T3 meds. I realize that this is a list devoted

to natural healing, but if you don't take care of your thyroid, it

could cause many problems down the road. I am trying to cleanse my

liver to see if that will help my thyroid function better - the

majority of T3 is converted from T4 in the liver and my initial

problem was more a deficiency of T3. Someone who has part or all of

their thyroid removed doesn't have much of an option but meds (either

natural or synthetic).

 

Jackie

 

>>I also had thyroid cancer But I only had half my

thyroid removed.

I would like all the info I need to help me keep the

half I have where it is and working right. There are

times I feel like I can not climb the steps. At times

like this I take kelp it helps but if there is

something better to do I would love to know<<

[Guest guest]

Alon,

 

 

 

Quite a few. The key to my limited success is patients that have only been

on meds for a short amount of time, usually less than 1 year, although I

think I remember 1 person who was one for around two years (but can't be for

certain). Furthermore, treating the pattern and not the disease is also very

important. For example, to get duped into thinking it is i.e. a kidney

problem is IMO just wrong.

 

 

 

Functional medicine (western alternative medicine) has a great parallel to

CM in this regard. Almost every MD will just give synthroid for high TSH,

and almost all the patients will feel better, but this is far from treating

the root. Functional medicine is very clear that your thyroid can be off do

to a whole host of other organs involvement. For example if you have gut

dysbiosis this can start a chain of events that weakens the thyroid.

Therefore tx is merely to clean-up to the gut dysbiosis (which may be as

simple as oil of oregano and good probiotic), which in CM might just be

clearing damp-heat (or whatever). There is no need to treat the thyroid

itself, if you understand the possible interrelationships. This type of

systems approach is almost identical to the way CM should (IMO) treat such

problems. Modern TCM reduces many western diseases (or blood tests) to

simplified zang-fu correspondences. This may work sometimes, but clearly not

always.

 

 

 

Comments?

 

 

 

-

 

 

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of Alon Marcus

Thursday, May 17, 2007 8:54 PM

 

Re: FDM system critique and question

 

 

 

Jason

How many pt have you done? Do you know how much thyroid they were on?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jason

We see a lot of hypothyroid pt related to their pain syndromes, many are in

severe pain. We always treat the entire pt we see with both TCM and functional

med. Since many of them feel very well quite quickly on natural thyroid that is

what we usually do. If they are vegetarians we give them both T4 and T3. So i do

not have much experience trying to get people off thyroid, but i am surprised

you are getting such good results since from what i have heard from other TCMs

is that they usually have much difficulty doing so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Friday, May 18, 2007 5:44 AM

RE: thyroid

 

 

Alon,

 

Quite a few. The key to my limited success is patients that have only been

on meds for a short amount of time, usually less than 1 year, although I

think I remember 1 person who was one for around two years (but can't be for

certain). Furthermore, treating the pattern and not the disease is also very

important. For example, to get duped into thinking it is i.e. a kidney

problem is IMO just wrong.

 

Functional medicine (western alternative medicine) has a great parallel to

CM in this regard. Almost every MD will just give synthroid for high TSH,

and almost all the patients will feel better, but this is far from treating

the root. Functional medicine is very clear that your thyroid can be off do

to a whole host of other organs involvement. For example if you have gut

dysbiosis this can start a chain of events that weakens the thyroid.

Therefore tx is merely to clean-up to the gut dysbiosis (which may be as

simple as oil of oregano and good probiotic), which in CM might just be

clearing damp-heat (or whatever). There is no need to treat the thyroid

itself, if you understand the possible interrelationships. This type of

systems approach is almost identical to the way CM should (IMO) treat such

problems. Modern TCM reduces many western diseases (or blood tests) to

simplified zang-fu correspondences. This may work sometimes, but clearly not

always.

 

Comments?

 

-

 

_____

 

On Behalf Of Alon Marcus

Thursday, May 17, 2007 8:54 PM

Re: FDM system critique and question

 

Jason

How many pt have you done? Do you know how much thyroid they were on?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jason,

 

Have you had any success treating hyperthyroid? Graves? Hashimoto's

thyroiditis? I have a client with hyperthyroid who vehemently

refuses Western treatment. I only give him acupuncture but perhaps

he would be willing to take nutriceuticals or herbs at this point--

it's so dangerous to leave untreated. I don't know which Western dx

he has, but I can find out. Are there particular functional medicine

assessments you'd recommend? GI?

 

Thanks, Marian

 

>

>For example if you have gut

> dysbiosis this can start a chain of events that weakens the

thyroid.

> Therefore tx is merely to clean-up to the gut dysbiosis (which may

be as

> simple as oil of oregano and good probiotic), which in CM might

just be

> clearing damp-heat (or whatever). There is no need to treat the

thyroid

> itself, if you understand the possible interrelationships.>

>

> Comments?

>

> -

>

[Guest guest]

Marian

Herbs control many of the symptoms very well

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Marian Blum, L.Ac., DNBAO

Saturday, May 19, 2007 12:18 PM

Re: thyroid

 

 

Jason,

 

Have you had any success treating hyperthyroid? Graves? Hashimoto's

thyroiditis? I have a client with hyperthyroid who vehemently

refuses Western treatment. I only give him acupuncture but perhaps

he would be willing to take nutriceuticals or herbs at this point--

it's so dangerous to leave untreated. I don't know which Western dx

he has, but I can find out. Are there particular functional medicine

assessments you'd recommend? GI?

 

Thanks, Marian

 

>

>For example if you have gut

> dysbiosis this can start a chain of events that weakens the

thyroid.

> Therefore tx is merely to clean-up to the gut dysbiosis (which may

be as

> simple as oil of oregano and good probiotic), which in CM might

just be

> clearing damp-heat (or whatever). There is no need to treat the

thyroid

> itself, if you understand the possible interrelationships.>

>

> Comments?

>

> -

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Marian,

 

 

 

I have no magic bullets. My point about functional medicine was that it has

many angles to view why a given problem (i.e. thyroid) is occurring. This is

of course not unlike CM. One must still perform a DDX and treat or test

accordingly. Therefore I would come up with a good working dx and start from

there. If there are major gut problems then that is always a good place to

start, if CM or functional medicine. There are many many tests one could do,

but if that is not your paradigm it is probably best to treat according to a

CM dx. If you view through CM, the western dx matters very little, but

granted it can sometimes help, again if you have an integrated TCM training.

But I have had success treating hyperthyroid, and one interesting case that

comes to mind was a patient who presented with a spleen yang xu (cold). So I

usually treat what I see, not what the dx or patient tells me.

 

 

 

Good luck,

 

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of Marian Blum, L.Ac.,

DNBAO

Saturday, May 19, 2007 1:19 PM

 

Re: thyroid

 

 

 

Jason,

 

Have you had any success treating hyperthyroid? Graves? Hashimoto's

thyroiditis? I have a client with hyperthyroid who vehemently

refuses Western treatment. I only give him acupuncture but perhaps

he would be willing to take nutriceuticals or herbs at this point--

it's so dangerous to leave untreated. I don't know which Western dx

he has, but I can find out. Are there particular functional medicine

assessments you'd recommend? GI?

 

Thanks, Marian

 

>

>For example if you have gut

> dysbiosis this can start a chain of events that weakens the

thyroid.

> Therefore tx is merely to clean-up to the gut dysbiosis (which may

be as

> simple as oil of oregano and good probiotic), which in CM might

just be

> clearing damp-heat (or whatever). There is no need to treat the

thyroid

> itself, if you understand the possible interrelationships.>

>

> Comments?

>

> -

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you Jason and Alon,

 

I'll see whether I can interest this patient in taking herbs. If he

will, I'll report back. He used to be Sp qi xu with damp. Now

there's lots of heat.... Jason, did the patient you refer to present

without any heat signs?

 

Marian

 

, " "

wrote:

>

> But I have had success treating hyperthyroid, and one interesting

case that

> comes to mind was a patient who presented with a spleen yang xu

(cold). So I

> usually treat what I see, not what the dx or patient tells me.

>

>

>

> Good luck,

>

>

>

> -Jason

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of Marian

Blum, L.Ac.,

> DNBAO

> Saturday, May 19, 2007 1:19 PM

>

> Re: thyroid

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marian

The cases i have seen all had Heat, Phlegm-Heat, Def-Heat

stagnation-Heat

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Marian Blum, L.Ac., DNBAO

Monday, May 21, 2007 9:01 PM

Re: thyroid

 

 

Thank you Jason and Alon,

 

I'll see whether I can interest this patient in taking herbs. If he

will, I'll report back. He used to be Sp qi xu with damp. Now

there's lots of heat.... Jason, did the patient you refer to present

without any heat signs?

 

Marian

 

, " "

wrote:

>

> But I have had success treating hyperthyroid, and one interesting

case that

> comes to mind was a patient who presented with a spleen yang xu

(cold). So I

> usually treat what I see, not what the dx or patient tells me.

>

>

>

> Good luck,

>

>

>

> -Jason

>

>

>

> On Behalf Of Marian

Blum, L.Ac.,

> DNBAO

> Saturday, May 19, 2007 1:19 PM

>

> Re: thyroid

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

M,

 

 

 

If I remember correctly there was zero heat signs. It was very interesting.

I kept asking, are you sure you have hyperthyroid and hypothryiod, but when

I saw the blood work it was confirmed and said, " well I am glad we don't

treat numbers.. :-) "

 

 

 

-Jason

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of Marian Blum, L.Ac.,

DNBAO

Monday, May 21, 2007 10:01 PM

 

Re: thyroid

 

 

 

Thank you Jason and Alon,

 

I'll see whether I can interest this patient in taking herbs. If he

will, I'll report back. He used to be Sp qi xu with damp. Now

there's lots of heat.... Jason, did the patient you refer to present

without any heat signs?

 

Marian

 

@ <%40>

, " "

wrote:

>

> But I have had success treating hyperthyroid, and one interesting

case that

> comes to mind was a patient who presented with a spleen yang xu

(cold). So I

> usually treat what I see, not what the dx or patient tells me.

>

>

>

> Good luck,

>

>

>

> -Jason

>

>

> @ <%40>

 

> [@ <%40>

] On Behalf Of Marian

Blum, L.Ac.,

> DNBAO

> Saturday, May 19, 2007 1:19 PM

> @ <%40>

 

> Re: thyroid

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

When I read things like this I get so mad! I was in the same boat - NORMAL

blood tests - Free T3 and Free T4 just below mid-range for " normal " and a TSH

(the " god " of endocrinologists) that didn't even get up to 2. However - tons of

symptoms and getting more miserable by the minute. Fortunately I was going to a

good integrative doctor. I started on Armour thyroid and gradually increased it

- shrunk goiter and feel MUCH better and lost 40 pounds eating a little more

then I had been gaining on before! To show how bad the typical endo is about

this - I recently had to go to one for something unrelated to thyroid - when I

told him the Armour dose I was on (3 1/2 grains) he started about how that was

awfully high and insisted on running bloodwork. He didn't check Free T3 - which

is the BEST test but they seem to refuse to admit. When the tests came back ALL

of my levels, T4, uptake, Free T4 and total T3 were smack dab in the MIDDLE of

the normal range. But my TSH was totally suppressed which I knew it would be -

Armour does that anyway and especially with me. so he says " well your thyroid

is a little HIGH " . When I stated the symptoms I had before getting my dose up

and that I was hypo he calmly said " you FELT hypo " - what does that mean? My

slow pulse, body temps that rarely got up to 98, exhaustion, air hunger attacks

that were scary, sleep apnea, weight gain on 1400 calories a day while forcing

myself to exercise (and I'm over 5'9 " tall) and a number of other symptoms - I

only FELT them - they weren't REAL? When I started to point out things he held

his hand up and said " don't worry I'm not going to lower your dose " - LOL - he

Couldn't if he wanted to I don't GET my armour from him and my doc let me do it

MY way - according to symptoms and I shrunk my goiter for the first time in my

life too!

 

So - my advise - read everything on stopthethyroidmadness website, read a

wonderful book by a doctor that has studied the thyroid for over 20 years -

" Thyroid, Guardian of Health " - search on Amazon. arm yourself so you know

what you are talking about and then find a doctor that will let you dose by

symptoms. It can be done - although it can be difficult.

 

As my doc says " we can measure what's in the blood but we can't measure what is

getting into the cells " - there are numerous reasons why we don't fit their mold

and blood tests can be useless. If you can, get a Free T3, Free T4 and

autoantibodies tests - for hashimoto's thyroiditis. Those may help in figuring

things out. Feel free to email me if you need to as I have read and

experienced a lot and I find it disgusting that so many are suffering with hypo

and not being treated or if they are treated they are not being treated

sufficiently.

 

 

[Guest guest]

I too had many of your symptoms plus quite a few more for many many years, I

had no idea they were even thyroid symptoms until well after I was finally

DX'd.

 

 

 

My primary did a TSH test twice in those years, but told me also that I was

just fine, pay even more attention to what I was putting on my salads and

patted my on the back on his way out the door....

 

 

 

Well after 12 years I changed docs and in the standard meet and greet visit,

when he got to my throat and did the palipations...he said I don't remember

seeing thyroid problems on your chart - I told him that was because I didn't

have a thyroid problem....well he begged to differ.

 

 

 

He sent me for an ultrasound and it came back showing:...are you ready?? An

enlarged thyroid, a goiter and 7 nodules!!!!

 

 

 

I was one sick lady!!!! And the silly tsh test never showed a thing!!!

 

 

 

Another thing you could have wrong is adrenal fatigue, many people with

thyroid have this and many thyroid problems may stem from adrenal fatigue

first, which needs to be corrected before thyroid meds are given. It is

very difficult to find adrenal problems....the blood tests for it are not

great. Saliva testing is usually better.

 

 

 

I also have a tumor on my pituitary which may have caused the other

endocrine system problems...so find a doc that will feel your throat and or

do an ultrasound...also the tsh test as one can see with me was high

inaccurate - find a doc that will do the more involved thyroid tests like

the Free and Total T3's and T4's.

 

 

 

Also thyroid antibody testing should be done as well or ruled out. There

are several thyroid groups here on and a very active adrenals group -

a lot of the talk crosses over between the two as they are so closely

related and so many of us have both.

 

 

 

Hope this helps. You also might want to chart your temps - about 5 times a

day if you can - I have never had anything close to 98.6 unless I was sick

with a temp!!! this was also ignored all my life along with a few other

" clues " but most docs are just clueless.

 

 

 

There is also a bunch of adrenal questionnaires that you can take to see if

you might have adrenal problems - just google it.

 

SeaLady

 

I have a lot indications that my thyroid is not working correctly.

I have been to the Doctor's and had blood work done and came back saying

everything was fine and acceptable.

I continue to experience these symptoms and am just not feeling well and a

little concerned.

I am experiencing extreme tiredness, am cold all the time, (very cold),

thinning hair, trouble swallowing, ridges in my finger nails, weight gain,

constipation, hoarse voice, migraine to name a few.

How can one ignore these type of symptoms and feel the way they do because

the tests come back negative?

What can I do to help myself feel better?

 

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[Guest guest]

Sounds like it could be thyroid. This happened to me with HYPOthyroidism, not

sure if it can also occur with hyperthyroidism.