Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 From my own experience, I found out that heel spurs are actually a calcium deposit, which is attributed to a *lack* of calcium assimilation in the body. One needs to take an herbal calcium supplement or Doc's calcium recipe, since the body can then assimilate a natural form of calcium. It took about a year for my heel spurs to dissipate, but they did, while I continually took the herbal supplement rich in Ca. Either your hubby's body cannot break down Ca correctly, or he does not get enough from his food, which by the way, should mostly be from dark veggies, as cows get theirs from grass--not dairy. Jan herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of aportiskeysTuesday, September 27, 2005 8:33 AMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - Heel Spurs Good morning all! My husband suffers from heel spurs. Can anyone recommend a natural remedy or recipe that will help with his condition? Thanks in advance! Angela Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 herbal remedies , " Janet " <ebbs@s...> wrote: > From my own experience, I found out that heel spurs are actually a > calcium deposit, which is attributed to a *lack* of calcium assimilation > in the body. The trace mineral Silicon is essential to efficient absorption and utilization of Ca and Mg. It has been studied recently at U of WI in racehorses, both two year olds in training and broodmares and their foals have shown a positive effect from added Silicon, less injuries, shorter recovery times. See December 2003 Equus for a summary. Si is in onions, best eaten raw. Also in Nettles, Horsetail (aka Shavegrass) and Oat Straw -- make a nice herbal tea, throw in some mint for flavor. Try eating lots of onions, if you like them and see how fast your fingernails grow and how they get stronger. Homeopathic Silicea can facilitate as well as dietary supplements, but there's no substitute for plant based sources since they are absorped about 100 times more efficiently than elemental sources. Whole grains are also rich in Si but it is in the hull, Milky Oats come to mind. One needs to take an herbal calcium supplement or Doc's > calcium recipe, since the body can then assimilate a natural form of > calcium. It took about a year for my heel spurs to dissipate, but they > did, while I continually took the herbal supplement rich in Ca. > > Either your hubby's body cannot break down Ca correctly, or he does not > get enough from his food, which by the way, should mostly be from dark > veggies, as cows get theirs from grass--not dairy. Also Mg is now said to be one of the most widespread deficiencies. Partly due to commercial farming but also because cortisol, the stress hormone, causes us to dump Mg instantly in our sweat to make our muscles hard for fight or flight. A tablespoon of Milk Of Magnesia will soften muscles and relieve Mg related muscle cramps. PMS often causes chocolate cravings because chocolate is high in Mg. Dark green leafy veggies, cashews, almonds and red meat all have Mg. Reducing stress and increasing the Ca : Mg ratio to 1:1 rather than the old 2:1 will help. Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Thanks Janet. AngelaJanet <ebbs wrote: From my own experience, I found out that heel spurs are actually a calcium deposit, which is attributed to a *lack* of calcium assimilation in the body. One needs to take an herbal calcium supplement or Doc's calcium recipe, since the body can then assimilate a natural form of calcium. It took about a year for my heel spurs to dissipate, but they did, while I continually took the herbal supplement rich in Ca. Either your hubby's body cannot break down Ca correctly, or he does not get enough from his food, which by the way, should mostly be from dark veggies, as cows get theirs from grass--not dairy. Jan herbal remedies [herbal remedies ] On Behalf Of aportiskeysTuesday, September 27, 2005 8:33 AMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - Heel Spurs Good morning all! My husband suffers from heel spurs. Can anyone recommend a natural remedy or recipe that will help with his condition? Thanks in advance! Angela for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Hi Anne, Any kind of spurs indicate that Calcium is not being delivered to the bones and is accumulating in the fascia and other soft tissue. The delivery system: Magnesium ( IMO the most gentle and easily absorbed form is 100% pure Magnesium Citrate in powdered form.) Start with 1/3 teaspoon 3x daily, unless the patient has a tendancy toward diarrhea. Magnesium has a built in mechanism so that if you are taking an opimal dose (assuming that there are no other issues causing diarrhea) the stool should be soft and formed. If you are taking too much it will become diarrhea. Hope that helps, Yehuda " Anne C. Crowley " <anne.crowley wrote: Any herbal remedies for heel spurs? I would hate to think of the acupuncture remedy. I have used Dr. Tan in the opposite hand on the palm. I am the one with the heel spur. I was hoping it would go away if ignored but now I am limping at times. Any advice would help. I could shed a few pounds but I don't think weight is the issue. I'm pretty much the same weight I have been all year. I do have bunions but they have been pretty much a constant. I take a heavy dose of KI yin herbs with a little SP thrown in for good measure. Anything I can take for the heel spur? TCM, Homeopathic, anything? Thanks, Anne http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/ Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 At 07:10 PM 12/2/2006, " Anne C. Crowley " <anne.crowley wrote: > heel spurs? I would hate to think of the acupuncture remedy. I > have used Dr. Tan in the opposite hand on the palm. I'd heard once, and tried on myself once for an incipient spur like condition: a stout needle right straight into it. It can be intense, but the kind of sweetly intense sensation of release. Although, as we've recently gone over here, needling itself doesn't usually cause pain, but rather elicits tissue reaction (qi) which can lead to nervous system detection / awareness, sometimes it's good (effective) treatment to provoke, stir-up a flare-like release of pain. Really " move the blood " by strongly awakening/moving the qi. As I tell patients, as the needle isn't causing damage, the " pain " (in those cases where it's actually strong) provides an opportunity to cultivate one's relationship to pain; to get to know it better, observe its workings and the workings of one's own reactions to it, both physiologically and otherwise (emotionally, mentally, etc.). This isn't mentioned much, as generally we think of ourselves as alieving pain. But, as Ted Kaptchuk mentioned once in a lecture (to paraphrase): " in CM tradition, our task is to help do away with unnecessary/avoidable pain, and in cases of unavoidable pain, help change our (own and/or patient's) relationship to pain. " As a couple of teachers have noted, pain is a human birthright. Anyway, going straight at a heel spur can evoke a response / regulation of local activity (qi) such that the need for the spur (they're usually simply attempts by bone to provide needed support or stability) fades, and it gets reabsorbed. As I understand it, spurs are a response to fill a need, so simply getting rid of them is a purely symptomatic approach. Look to discover and adjust the conditions/behavior to which the spur growth is the physiological response. Of course, add regional and distal elements to treatment also. -- Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.6/565 - Release 12/2/2006 9:39 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Chinese Medicine , " Anne C. Crowley " <anne.crowley wrote: > > Any herbal remedies for heel spurs? I would hate to think of the > acupuncture remedy. > Thanks, > > Anne > Kang Gu Zeng Sheng Wan Shu Di Huang Gou Ji Yin Yang Huo Rou Cong Rong Gu Sui Bu Ji Xue Teng Nu Zhen Zi Lai Fu Zi Huai Niu Xi Can be gotten as a patent but becareful if you're a cat person, some contain " Os feline. " It takes up to 6 months but it completele disolves bone spurs. The cat one works better and faster. There are also Tong points for bone spurs but you need to go to the bone depth with an 26-28 guage needle. Kelvin deWolfe www.1stdefense.info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Hi Anne, Check out John Chen...I remember him talking about a formula they had specifically for heel spurs...good luck! - Anne C. Crowley<anne.crowley To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine\ @> Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:10 PM Heel Spurs Any herbal remedies for heel spurs? I would hate to think of the acupuncture remedy. I have used Dr. Tan in the opposite hand on the palm. I am the one with the heel spur. I was hoping it would go away if ignored but now I am limping at times. Any advice would help. I could shed a few pounds but I don't think weight is the issue. I'm pretty much the same weight I have been all year. I do have bunions but they have been pretty much a constant. I take a heavy dose of KI yin herbs with a little SP thrown in for good measure. Anything I can take for the heel spur? TCM, Homeopathic, anything? Thanks, Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Thanks so much Yehuda. The patient is me. I have a calcium/magnesium supplement that I have been remiss in taking. They are both in citrate form. Here is the formula Calcium (carbonate/citrate-malate) 1000 mg Magnesium (oxide/citrate) 500 mg Horsetail Extract 100 mg Lysine HCI 100 mg Boron (Citrate 3mg Vit D3 (cholecalciferol)) 400 iu Would this be adding extra calcium to a situation where iit is not being absorbed? I have another magesium supplment lying around but it is in oxide form. Which would be the better of the two? I will go out and try to find the pure magnesium citrate. I live in an area that make that a bit challenging but will eventually find it. Thanks, so much Yehuda. I was hoping someone was up around the world. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- > Hi Anne, > > Any kind of spurs indicate that Calcium is not being delivered to the bones > and is accumulating in the fascia and other soft tissue. The delivery system: > Magnesium ( IMO the most gentle and easily absorbed form is 100% pure Magnesium > Citrate in powdered form.) Start with 1/3 teaspoon 3x daily, unless the patient > has a tendancy toward diarrhea. Magnesium has a built in mechanism so that if > you are taking an opimal dose (assuming that there are no other issues causing > diarrhea) the stool should be soft and formed. If you are taking too much it > will become diarrhea. > > Hope that helps, > > Yehuda > > " Anne C. Crowley " <anne.crowley wrote: > Any herbal remedies for heel spurs? I would hate to think of the > acupuncture remedy. I have used Dr. Tan in the opposite hand on the palm. > > I am the one with the heel spur. I was hoping it would go away if > ignored but now I am limping at times. Any advice would help. I > could shed a few pounds but I don't think weight is the issue. I'm > pretty much the same weight I have been all year. I do have bunions > but they have been pretty much a constant. I take a heavy dose of KI > yin herbs with a little SP thrown in for good measure. Anything I can > take for the heel spur? TCM, Homeopathic, anything? > > Thanks, > > Anne > http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/ > > > > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Thanks Chris: See responses below -------------- Original message ---------------------- > I'd heard once, and tried on myself once for an incipient spur like > condition: a stout needle right straight into it. It can be intense, > but the kind of sweetly intense sensation of release. A shiatsu practitioner pressed pretty hard recently, didn't help. He did help my arm (from too much GuaSha practice - probably my body mechanics) with a TuiNia move. Wow, the needle in the heel - maybe after a valium. > > Although, as we've recently gone over here, needling itself doesn't > usually cause pain, but rather elicits tissue reaction (qi) which can > lead to nervous system detection / awareness, sometimes it's good > (effective) treatment to provoke, stir-up a flare-like release of > pain. Really " move the blood " by strongly awakening/moving the qi. > > As I tell patients, as the needle isn't causing damage, the " pain " > (in those cases where it's actually strong) provides an opportunity > to cultivate one's relationship to pain; to get to know it better, > observe its workings and the workings of one's own reactions to it, > both physiologically and otherwise (emotionally, mentally, etc.). Yes, Chris. I am Worsley trained and our base is to look at the emotions around anything. This year I have been working in a doctors office for a day or so. I have had a lot of new patients call, and I am noticing a lot more what I would call mainstream patients. They only came becuase of the doctor's stamp of approval (and all that is,is being affiliated with him). I also get more people that don't want the pain of the needles. And I always ask the question what is it about them feeling anything (I am not talking about a needle in the heel). They are not crazy about any sensation. > > This isn't mentioned much, as generally we think of ourselves as > alieving pain. But, as Ted Kaptchuk mentioned once in a lecture (to > paraphrase): " in CM tradition, our task is to help do away with > unnecessary/avoidable pain, and in cases of unavoidable pain, help > change our (own and/or patient's) relationship to pain. " As a couple > of teachers have noted, pain is a human birthright. I have already asked the question, " What is going on here? " Am I not standing up for myself (this is a bit of a theme in my life. I do it a lot more than before but these issues have been coming up lately). Am I doing too much? Everything seems to be on the right - the giving side. These are questions that may get to the root of why the calcium is not being absorbed. So being aware of them, working on them, taking the magnesium and sending energy to the heel are all factors. > Anyway, going straight at a heel spur can evoke a response / > regulation of local activity (qi) such that the need for the spur > (they're usually simply attempts by bone to provide needed support or > stability) fades, and it gets reabsorbed. As I understand it, spurs > are a response to fill a need, so simply getting rid of them is a > purely symptomatic approach. Yes, I really hope it's not the bunion issue (I will take the needle in the heel before that surgery) Look to discover and adjust the > conditions/behavior to which the spur growth is the physiological response. Of course, add regional and distal elements to treatment also. > > Thanks again, Chris. It is very helpful to go over these kinds of questions. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Thanks, Linda. Are you back home in San Fran? Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " Linda Gruber " <lindagruber5 > Hi Anne, > > Check out John Chen...I remember him talking about a formula they had > specifically for heel spurs...good luck! > - > Anne C. Crowley<anne.crowley > To: > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine > @> > Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:10 PM > Heel Spurs > > > Any herbal remedies for heel spurs? I would hate to think of the > acupuncture remedy. I have used Dr. Tan in the opposite hand on the palm. > > I am the one with the heel spur. I was hoping it would go away if > ignored but now I am limping at times. Any advice would help. I > could shed a few pounds but I don't think weight is the issue. I'm > pretty much the same weight I have been all year. I do have bunions > but they have been pretty much a constant. I take a heavy dose of KI > yin herbs with a little SP thrown in for good measure. Anything I can > take for the heel spur? TCM, Homeopathic, anything? > > Thanks, > > Anne > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Thank you, Kelvin and Phil too. I am a cat person (so better that I didn't know). Thanks for the formula and patent. All info helps. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " acupuncturebeverlyhills " <acupuncturebeverlyhills > Chinese Medicine , " Anne C. > Crowley " <anne.crowley wrote: > > > > Any herbal remedies for heel spurs? I would hate to think of the > > acupuncture remedy. > Thanks, > > > > Anne > > > > > > Kang Gu Zeng Sheng Wan > > Shu Di Huang > Gou Ji > Yin Yang Huo > Rou Cong Rong > Gu Sui Bu > Ji Xue Teng > Nu Zhen Zi > Lai Fu Zi > Huai Niu Xi > > Can be gotten as a patent but becareful if you're a cat person, some > contain " Os feline. " It takes up to 6 months but it completele > disolves bone spurs. The cat one works better and faster. > > There are also Tong points for bone spurs but you need to go to the > bone depth with an 26-28 guage needle. > > > Kelvin deWolfe > www.1stdefense.info > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Physician heal thyself! Anne, My experience is that we need much less calcium than is being advertised. Interestingly, I have found empirically that unless someone complains of " bone soreness " (eg. I have a patient who couldn't sit in one place for more than 5-10 minutes or her sacral and coxal bones would start to ache--until she added 500 mg in 3 divided doses of Calcium Citrate), and unless their diet is high in protein, which interferes with Calcium absorption, they get plenty of calcium from a healthy diet. Magnesium is a different story. I also have found that not all Magnesium supplements are the same. The powdered form seems to dramatically maximize Mg absorption. BTW, at my local health food store, I found a company that makes a 100% pure vegetarian formulation of Magnesium Citrate powder: Now company. Their web address is www.nowfoods.com. I'll bet you that they can tell you where their products are available in your neck of the woods. Hope you feel better soon! All the best, Yehuda More below: anne.crowley wrote: Thanks so much Yehuda. The patient is me. I have a calcium/magnesium supplement that I have been remiss in taking. They are both in citrate form. Here is the formula Calcium (carbonate/citrate-malate) 1000 mg Magnesium (oxide/citrate) 500 mg Horsetail Extract 100 mg Lysine HCI 100 mg Boron (Citrate 3mg Vit D3 (cholecalciferol)) 400 iu Would this be adding extra calcium to a situation where iit is not being absorbed? very possibly. Again, the delivery system is the key I have another magesium supplment lying around but it is in oxide form. Which would be the better of the two? Maybe grind up what you already have and take it as powder in the interim. Maybe also squeeze some lemon juice in it to increase absorption. I will go out and try to find the pure magnesium citrate. I live in an area that make that a bit challenging but will eventually find it. Thanks, so much Yehuda. I was hoping someone was up around the world. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- > Hi Anne, > > Any kind of spurs indicate that Calcium is not being delivered to the bones > and is accumulating in the fascia and other soft tissue. The delivery system: > Magnesium ( IMO the most gentle and easily absorbed form is 100% pure Magnesium > Citrate in powdered form.) Start with 1/3 teaspoon 3x daily, unless the patient > has a tendancy toward diarrhea. Magnesium has a built in mechanism so that if > you are taking an opimal dose (assuming that there are no other issues causing > diarrhea) the stool should be soft and formed. If you are taking too much it > will become diarrhea. > > Hope that helps, > > Yehuda > > " Anne C. Crowley " <anne.crowley wrote: > Any herbal remedies for heel spurs? I would hate to think of the > acupuncture remedy. I have used Dr. Tan in the opposite hand on the palm. > > I am the one with the heel spur. I was hoping it would go away if > ignored but now I am limping at times. Any advice would help. I > could shed a few pounds but I don't think weight is the issue. I'm > pretty much the same weight I have been all year. I do have bunions > but they have been pretty much a constant. I take a heavy dose of KI > yin herbs with a little SP thrown in for good measure. Anything I can > take for the heel spur? TCM, Homeopathic, anything? > > Thanks, > > Anne > http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/ > > > > Cheap Talk? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Linda, Could you connect with John Chen and share with us that formula? Yehuda Linda Gruber <lindagruber5 wrote: Hi Anne, Check out John Chen...I remember him talking about a formula they had specifically for heel spurs...good luck! - Anne C. Crowley<anne.crowley To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine\ @> Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:10 PM Heel Spurs Any herbal remedies for heel spurs? I would hate to think of the acupuncture remedy. I have used Dr. Tan in the opposite hand on the palm. I am the one with the heel spur. I was hoping it would go away if ignored but now I am limping at times. Any advice would help. I could shed a few pounds but I don't think weight is the issue. I'm pretty much the same weight I have been all year. I do have bunions but they have been pretty much a constant. I take a heavy dose of KI yin herbs with a little SP thrown in for good measure. Anything I can take for the heel spur? TCM, Homeopathic, anything? Thanks, Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 According to my trusty " Basic Manipulations for Traumatology and Orthopedics Treatment " the pain is caused by " Plantar ligament is stretched and spur may happen on tuberosity of calcaneus when old people (their foot muscles getting weak) walk and stand for a long time. Under these conditions, pain is evoked by being stretched of plantar aponeurosis and not by hyperosteogeny. " Got that? So, anyhoo, what I have discovered is that Tuina is quite good. Pressing directly into the painful point and tapping with a closed fist on the painful points works well. The foot may be a bit tender right after tx, but it does help. Regards, Lea. Chinese Medicine , " Anne C. Crowley " <anne.crowley wrote: > > Any herbal remedies for heel spurs? I would hate to think of the > acupuncture remedy. I have used Dr. Tan in the opposite hand on the palm. > > I am the one with the heel spur. I was hoping it would go away if > ignored but now I am limping at times. Any advice would help. I > could shed a few pounds but I don't think weight is the issue. I'm > pretty much the same weight I have been all year. I do have bunions > but they have been pretty much a constant. I take a heavy dose of KI > yin herbs with a little SP thrown in for good measure. Anything I can > take for the heel spur? TCM, Homeopathic, anything? > > > Thanks, > > Anne > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Ah, but that's assuming that there isn't also a mineral deficiency. All the acupuncture and tuina in the world won't make a difference if, like most Westerners, there is a Magnesium deficiency. I really believe, bottom line, that for sustained wellness, and to make a permanent difference, the body must be treated concurrently on three levels: biochemically, biomechanically and bioelectrically (or bioenergetically if you will). Yehuda Lea Starck <leabun1 wrote: According to my trusty " Basic Manipulations for Traumatology and Orthopedics Treatment " the pain is caused by " Plantar ligament is stretched and spur may happen on tuberosity of calcaneus when old people (their foot muscles getting weak) walk and stand for a long time. Under these conditions, pain is evoked by being stretched of plantar aponeurosis and not by hyperosteogeny. " Got that? So, anyhoo, what I have discovered is that Tuina is quite good. Pressing directly into the painful point and tapping with a closed fist on the painful points works well. The foot may be a bit tender right after tx, but it does help. Regards, Lea. Chinese Medicine , " Anne C. Crowley " <anne.crowley wrote: > > Any herbal remedies for heel spurs? I would hate to think of the > acupuncture remedy. I have used Dr. Tan in the opposite hand on the palm. > > I am the one with the heel spur. I was hoping it would go away if > ignored but now I am limping at times. Any advice would help. I > could shed a few pounds but I don't think weight is the issue. I'm > pretty much the same weight I have been all year. I do have bunions > but they have been pretty much a constant. I take a heavy dose of KI > yin herbs with a little SP thrown in for good measure. Anything I can > take for the heel spur? TCM, Homeopathic, anything? > > > Thanks, > > Anne > http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/ Check out the all-new Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Sorry to be the one asking this, but in the interests of clear assessment, how do you present, and how do we know it is a heel spur? Any imaging done? Pain in a heel could be due to deficiency fire, dampness accumulation with heat, cold obstruction, blood stasis etc etc. Would be interesting to hear what it " actually " is. Hugo Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2006 Report Share Posted December 4, 2006 Hi Yehuda, I have taken any classes from Lotus...or Evergreen in a long time...I heard about the formula about 3 years ago and am not sure where my notes are, but I am sure you can contact him he is generally very kind knowledgeable and easily accessible. Take care, Linda - yehuda frischman< To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine\ @> Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:32 AM Re: Heel Spurs Linda, Could you connect with John Chen and share with us that formula? Yehuda Linda Gruber <lindagruber5<lindagruber5> wrote: Hi Anne, Check out John Chen...I remember him talking about a formula they had specifically for heel spurs...good luck! - Anne C. Crowley<anne.crowley<annecrowley> To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine\ @><Chinese Medicine <Tra\ ditional_Chinese_Medicine >> Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:10 PM Heel Spurs Any herbal remedies for heel spurs? I would hate to think of the acupuncture remedy. I have used Dr. Tan in the opposite hand on the palm. I am the one with the heel spur. I was hoping it would go away if ignored but now I am limping at times. Any advice would help. I could shed a few pounds but I don't think weight is the issue I'm pretty much the same weight I have been all year. I do have bunions but they have been pretty much a constant. I take a heavy dose of KI yin herbs with a little SP thrown in for good measure. Anything I can take for the heel spur? TCM, Homeopathic, anything? Thanks, Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 I have treated Heel spur with the scalp acupuncture (standard Chinese, from CAM) or Dr.Zhu - info on website of ITM) one needle opposite the pain. I wanted to compare the systems but I do not have enough patients to do that. Do not remember the name but the points located close to Du 20 from frontal side. I ask the person to walk with the needle for 5-10 minutes. In few cases pain was gone for a few years with only one needle. Now I add Evegreen formula " Bone spur " . Patients usually feel better after two weeks of taking it. But I recommened to take it for about 3 months. If patients are complient (will take more herbal formulas), than I add the formula for the OM diagnosis. Hope the information will help. Tatiana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Yes, Hugo, good question. No imagining, just a Shiatsu practitioner who said, " I think there is something here, when pressing my heel. " It feels like it to me also. My osteopath asked me the same question. I had a rountine visit with him and told him I had self diagnosed the heel spur from the Shiatsu session. He had a chuckle. His advice was to deal with the inflamation with DMSO, whether their is a magnesium deficiency or not. I still like the idea of loading up on the magnesium. He likes magnesium anyway for BP issues too. Now for I take regular herbs for KI Yin (menopausal symptoms of heat); some spleen herbs (so underlying is this) My tongue shows liver heat and scallops on liver area (which are always there). The Shiatsu practioner was assessing liver heat too. I am a 5E practitioner, so constitutuional type is Fire with Earth as a close second, metal would be the next one. We call it Fire Constitutional type with a Earth within, and Metal within. I don't know if this helps. The liver heat in my tongue looks unusual so probably their is something hot happening in the sinews. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- Hugo Ramiro <subincor > Sorry to be the one asking this, but in the interests > of clear assessment, how do you present, and how do we > know it is a heel spur? Any imaging done? > Pain in a heel could be due to deficiency fire, > dampness accumulation with heat, cold obstruction, > blood stasis etc etc. Would be interesting to hear > what it " actually " is. > > Hugo > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2006 Report Share Posted December 5, 2006 Hi Anne, If you're interested in an herbal formula, Evergreen (formerly Lotus Herbs) has a product called Flex Spur, specifically for reducing bong spurs. I haven't used it, but came across it recently. Good luck, and I agree with Chris - give the needling a try. I have done this successfully with patients, and they have said the relief was worth the temporary discomfort. < wrote: At 07:10 PM 12/2/2006, " Anne C. Crowley " <anne.crowley wrote: > heel spurs? I would hate to think of the acupuncture remedy. I > have used Dr. Tan in the opposite hand on the palm. I'd heard once, and tried on myself once for an incipient spur like condition: a stout needle right straight into it. It can be intense, but the kind of sweetly intense sensation of release. Although, as we've recently gone over here, needling itself doesn't usually cause pain, but rather elicits tissue reaction (qi) which can lead to nervous system detection / awareness, sometimes it's good (effective) treatment to provoke, stir-up a flare-like release of pain. Really " move the blood " by strongly awakening/moving the qi. As I tell patients, as the needle isn't causing damage, the " pain " (in those cases where it's actually strong) provides an opportunity to cultivate one's relationship to pain; to get to know it better, observe its workings and the workings of one's own reactions to it, both physiologically and otherwise (emotionally, mentally, etc.). This isn't mentioned much, as generally we think of ourselves as alieving pain. But, as Ted Kaptchuk mentioned once in a lecture (to paraphrase): " in CM tradition, our task is to help do away with unnecessary/avoidable pain, and in cases of unavoidable pain, help change our (own and/or patient's) relationship to pain. " As a couple of teachers have noted, pain is a human birthright. Anyway, going straight at a heel spur can evoke a response / regulation of local activity (qi) such that the need for the spur (they're usually simply attempts by bone to provide needed support or stability) fades, and it gets reabsorbed. As I understand it, spurs are a response to fill a need, so simply getting rid of them is a purely symptomatic approach. Look to discover and adjust the conditions/behavior to which the spur growth is the physiological response. Of course, add regional and distal elements to treatment also. -- Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.6/565 - Release 12/2/2006 9:39 PM Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Yes. Read www.herballegacy.com -------------- Original message ---------------------- " B Magnatta " <mom.magnatta > Is there a nutritional component in heel spurs? > > > > Sincerely Barb M. Is there a nutritional component in heel spurs? Sincerely Barb M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 http://herballegacy.com/Broken_Bones.html http://herballegacy.com/Complete_Tissue.html I am looking for information on the treatment of heel spurs. I have found MSM helpful for the inflammation. Is there any way to actually get rid of the heel spurs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I had a heal spur quite a while ago that disappeared when I eliminated dairy from my diet. Carol , " ct0253j " <ct0253j wrote: > > I am looking for information on the treatment of heel spurs. I have > found MSM helpful for the inflammation. Is there any way to actually > get rid of the heel spurs? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 2008 Report Share Posted May 28, 2008 , " Hen & Yan " <fa034262 wrote: > > Hi All, > > A friend of mine has heel spurs. > > Do any of you know of a natural treatment? > > Many thanks in advance! > > Yannic > I had them some years ago. My doctor said surgury should be the very last resort. You have to use crutches for 6 or more weeks and they can still come back. She said alot of times it will go away on it on, and losing some weight would be helpful, and get some really GOOD shoes, no flip-flops. I bought good shoes and lost some weight. It took time for them to go away, but I am glad I didn't go ahead with the surgury. They have been gone for 4 years now. I even work standing all day and haven't had any trouble. I wish the best for your friend. They are really painful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2008 Report Share Posted May 29, 2008 i use to have them and a doctor showed me an exercise to do . real easy. stand against a counter and bend one leg in and stretch the other leg out push against the counter you should feel you leg muscles and it will stretch you heel muscles. do this with each leg and hold. see if this helps and let me know. i sure helped me. KIM <sillygurlkim wrote: , "Hen & Yan" <fa034262 wrote:>> Hi All,> > A friend of mine has heel spurs.> > Do any of you know of a natural treatment?> > Many thanks in advance!> > Yannic>I had them some years ago. My doctor said surgury should be the very last resort. You have to use crutches for 6 or more weeks and they can still come back. She said alot of times it will go away on it on, and losing some weight would be helpful, and get some really GOOD shoes, no flip-flops. I bought good shoes and lost some weight. It took time for them to go away, but I am glad I didn't go ahead with the surgury. They have been gone for 4 years now. I even work standing all day and haven't had any trouble. I wish the best for your friend. They are really painful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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