Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 On Jan 20, 2004, at 11:24 AM, Cara Frank wrote: > > Hi All, > > is it contraindicated to take vitamin C with ginseng? I always tell patients to take any Chinese herbs away from other drugs, vitamins, supplements, minerals, homeopathics and/or Western herbs. Vitamin C is a fairly strong substance, especially in large doses, cold and sour. It may interact with Chinese medicinals in inopportune ways. At least that is how I see it. > > > also- this is directed to the teachers in the group. I am wondering > if you > administer mid-term exam? And if so- do you focus on multiple choice, > or > essay questions. I’m nearing mid year and am sorting through different > ways > to approach this. I want a midterm to be meaningful- and not just a > regurgitation of facts that will be lost as soon as the test I over. > I do administer midterm exams, and I focus on essay questions. For the reason you mention, to test people on their thinking processes, not on regurgitating facts. Also, sometimes there is more than one approach to answer a question, and multiple choice questions are often too arbitrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 There is no doubt that memorization is important, but only in the context of understanding the essential principles of Chinese medicine, and putting the data in a format that is workable in the clinic. I agree, TA's are important, as essay questions are tedious to grade. On Jan 20, 2004, at 11:56 AM, wrote: > What class? I have given both multiple choice and essay in materia > medica > classes. However all my formula classes have been case oriented short > answer. Essays are a very time consuming to grade but more revealing > of > understanding. OTOH, rote memorization has its place. I know most of > my > colleagues believe rote memorization and testing thereof is essential > for both > formula and materia medica. My colleague Bob Damone compromised with > mult. choice exams and quizzes PLUS essay focus assignments. Again, > tedious > to grade. Are you paid for your grading time. do you have a TA who > can grade > at this level? I am sure some students may find these questions > offensive, > but I see no reason professors should work for subpar wages. If you > want good > teachers, you have to pay them well. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 More and more, I have been giving essay questions on final exams, and maybe even on midterm exams. Even though students are afraid of essay exams, I find they do exceedingly well because of their preparation methods. And I have had students say later that the herbs they wrote essays on are the ones they remember the best later. Yes, they are difficult to grade, but easy to write. It is very time consuming to write multiple choice questions if they are to be any good. As for Todd's point that teachers shouldn't have to spend a lot of time grading if they don't get paid for it (nobody gets paid for it, do they?), my feeling is I want to be the best teacher I can be, and if I spend an extra half hour, who cares? Julie - " " <zrosenbe Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:01 PM Re: Re: 2 questions > There is no doubt that memorization is important, but only in the > context of understanding the essential principles of Chinese medicine, > and putting the data in a format that is workable in the clinic. I > agree, TA's are important, as essay questions are tedious to grade. > > > On Jan 20, 2004, at 11:56 AM, wrote: > > > What class? I have given both multiple choice and essay in materia > > medica > > classes. However all my formula classes have been case oriented short > > answer. Essays are a very time consuming to grade but more revealing > > of > > understanding. OTOH, rote memorization has its place. I know most of > > my > > colleagues believe rote memorization and testing thereof is essential > > for both > > formula and materia medica. My colleague Bob Damone compromised with > > mult. choice exams and quizzes PLUS essay focus assignments. Again, > > tedious > > to grade. Are you paid for your grading time. do you have a TA who > > can grade > > at this level? I am sure some students may find these questions > > offensive, > > but I see no reason professors should work for subpar wages. If you > > want good > > teachers, you have to pay them well. > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 On Jan 20, 2004, at 11:24 AM, Cara Frank wrote: > Hi All, > > is it contraindicated to take vitamin C with ginseng? > > > also- this is directed to the teachers in the group. I am wondering > if you > administer mid-term exam? I actually administer tri-term exams. I try and avoid that fourth to fifth week rush and place my big tests on weeks where nobody else is requiring the students to study really hard. So, my first test in on the third (of 11) weeks, my second during the sixth week and the third on the 11th. > And if so- do you focus on multiple choice, or > essay questions. I’m nearing mid year and am sorting through different > ways > to approach this. I want a midterm to be meaningful- and not just a > regurgitation of facts that will be lost as soon as the test I over. I lean toward the multiple choice questions for a few reasons: 1) quicker and easier to correct 2) although there are always a few bad questions, they are generally much better than not knowing exactly what the teacher expects from an essay question answer. When I have given essay questions, I'll get an entire page of fluff from one person, a few paragraphs of gold from another and a third will regurgitate what they've memorized regardless of the actual question. One thing that I do like about essay questions is that you can know pretty quickly if someone knows what they're talking about. However, when I count off because they clearly don't know what they're talking about, I'll invariably have to defend my thought processes and the student walks away thinking that they simply didn't know what I was asking for, information wise. So I haven't had good luck with this kind of test. 3) I find going over multiple question tests to be a good educational opportunity too, in that if the students find a bad question, I'll give them the point if they can tell me what is wrong with it, etc.. -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. -Adlai Stevenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 My class meets for one weekend per month. I give weekly online open book tests- as per your suggesstion, Al. I also give them a set of thinking questions: this consists of a number of compare and contrast questions. When the class meets in person- I compile the online tests and give it to them again: I think the repetition is good and in class they actually have to know the material. Then I call on the students to answer the thinking questions in class. They've done extremely well with this system for the most part. I'm thinking that perhaps the midterm should focus on dui yao's also- I agree- I'm doing multiple choice exams because it's easier to correct. But case histories will be inevitable to really excel in the field. Cara > I lean toward the multiple choice questions for a few reasons: > > 1) quicker and easier to correct > > 2) although there are always a few bad questions, they are generally > much better than not knowing exactly what the teacher expects from an > essay question answer. When I have given essay questions, I'll get an > entire page of fluff from one person, a few paragraphs of gold from > another and a third will regurgitate what they've memorized regardless > of the actual question. > > One thing that I do like about essay questions is that you can know > pretty quickly if someone knows what they're talking about. However, > when I count off because they clearly don't know what they're talking > about, I'll invariably have to defend my thought processes and the > student walks away thinking that they simply didn't know what I was > asking for, information wise. So I haven't had good luck with this > kind of test. > > 3) I find going over multiple question tests to be a good educational > opportunity too, in that if the students find a bad question, I'll give > them the point if they can tell me what is wrong with it, etc.. > > -- > > Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. > -Adlai Stevenson > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board > approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free > discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 I'm teaching Clinical Point Selection this term. I quiz (multiple choice) 5 times on specific pages of memorization from State Board texts. The mid-terms and finals are group projects. What I'm trying to do is build the skills for the State Board while allowing myself to teach what I think is important for the clinic. doug and I don't see the problem with Vitamin C and ginseng! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Thanks to everybody for their input. I appreciate it! Cara > I'm teaching Clinical Point Selection this term. I quiz (multiple choice) 5 > times on > specific pages of memorization from State Board texts. The mid-terms and > finals are > group projects. What I'm trying to do is build the skills for the State Board > while > allowing myself to teach what I think is important for the clinic. > doug > > and I don't see the problem with Vitamin C and ginseng! > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board > approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free > discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 You would have to determine if they are a good combination for the patient being treated. Vit C being very cold and sour will certainly be contraindicated with ginseng if you are trying to supplement and warm the spleen yang. On Jan 20, 2004, at 6:09 PM, wrote: > and I don't see the problem with Vitamin C and ginseng! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 > You would have to determine if they are a good combination for the > patient being treated. Vit C being very cold and sour will certainly > be contraindicated with ginseng if you are trying to supplement and > warm the spleen yang. > Hmmm, but why? Are you referring to the tendency of excessive Vit. C to provoke diarrhea or stool loosening? This is much less apt to happen with the buffered forms of C. Does that mean the buffered forms of C are less 'cold'? And what dose of Vit. C are we talking about? Is it something that can be quantified? And are we just talking about taking ginseng and C at the same time? Meaning it's ok if we take them at different times of the day - like taking your antibiotics apart from your flora? And how about grapefruit? Or melon? No grapefruit and ginseng in the same meal, please!? Well, i do generally think of taking ginseng, and most tonics, on an empty stomach. Though there is that tradition of cooking tonics with some foods. I heard this admonition against combining g & C years ago, don't remember where, and i think of it every time i have a tonic in my hand and think of taking a C. So I tend to avoid it..and postpone one or the other. But i would rather know more about their combining biochemical effects. Are saponins somehow disabled by ascorbic acid? I guess my question is whether this idea came from someone's clinical experience or the presumed evaluation of C by its 'sapor'(pardon my French). Does anyone know the origin of this idea? I haven't really heard it referred to lately though, or read it. Anybody have Simon Mills' email address? Any ideas on this Emmanuel? Still curious after all these years, Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 I thought the word was coined by Porkert. Simon borrowed it. But it¹s a great word. I use it too. I think it¹s highly descriptive. I have Simons email in a nother computer- I can get back to you on it Cara > >> > You would have to determine if they are a good combination for the >> > patient being treated. Vit C being very cold and sour will certainly >> > be contraindicated with ginseng if you are trying to supplement and >> > warm the spleen yang. >> > > > Hmmm, but why? Are you referring to the tendency of excessive Vit. C to > provoke diarrhea or stool loosening? This is much less apt to happen with > the buffered forms of C. Does that mean the buffered forms of C are less > 'cold'? And what dose of Vit. C are we talking about? Is it something that > can be quantified? And are we just talking about taking ginseng and C at the > same time? Meaning it's ok if we take them at different times of the day - > like taking your antibiotics apart from your flora? And how about > grapefruit? Or melon? No grapefruit and ginseng in the same meal, please!? > Well, i do generally think of taking ginseng, and most tonics, on an empty > stomach. Though there is that tradition of cooking tonics with some foods. > > I heard this admonition against combining g & C years ago, don't remember > where, and i think of it every time i have a tonic in my hand and think of > taking a C. So I tend to avoid it..and postpone one or the other. But i > would rather know more about their combining biochemical effects. Are > saponins somehow disabled by ascorbic acid? > > I guess my question is whether this idea came from someone's clinical > experience or the presumed evaluation of C by its 'sapor'(pardon my French). > Does anyone know the origin of this idea? I haven't really heard it referred > to lately though, or read it. > > Anybody have Simon Mills' email address? Any ideas on this Emmanuel? > > Still curious after all these years, > Ann > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board > approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free > discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 , <snakeoil.works@m...> wrote: > > > You would have to determine if they are a good combination for the > > patient being treated. Vit C being very cold and sour will certainly > > be contraindicated with ginseng if you are trying to supplement and > > warm the spleen yang. > > > > Hmmm, but why? Are you referring to the tendency of excessive Vit. C to > provoke diarrhea or stool loosening? This is much less apt to happen with > the buffered forms of C. Does that mean the buffered forms of C are less > 'cold'? And what dose of Vit. C are we talking about? Is it something that > can be quantified? Good questions, and you are right, I would also like to see more... BTW, J.Yuen says vit c is cooling at low doses and warming at higher doses... -JAson And are we just talking about taking ginseng and C at the > same time? Meaning it's ok if we take them at different times of the day - > like taking your antibiotics apart from your flora? And how about > grapefruit? Or melon? No grapefruit and ginseng in the same meal, please!? > Well, i do generally think of taking ginseng, and most tonics, on an empty > stomach. Though there is that tradition of cooking tonics with some foods. > > I heard this admonition against combining g & C years ago, don't remember > where, and i think of it every time i have a tonic in my hand and think of > taking a C. So I tend to avoid it..and postpone one or the other. But i > would rather know more about their combining biochemical effects. Are > saponins somehow disabled by ascorbic acid? > > I guess my question is whether this idea came from someone's clinical > experience or the presumed evaluation of C by its 'sapor'(pardon my French). > Does anyone know the origin of this idea? I haven't really heard it referred > to lately though, or read it. > > Anybody have Simon Mills' email address? Any ideas on this Emmanuel? > > Still curious after all these years, > Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 does anyone have a list of herbs and diet for friend that has low white blood count? also any docs or naturpaths know if it is natural and normal to for heart to miss beats-sometimes for 2 -10 beats-my doc says it's normal-my partner thought i was imagining it untill he lay close to me last night whilst i slept and could feel my heart beat-now he's doing summersaults- i'm laughing but do want advice from professionals please - more info-i;m 54 female -overwieght but very active.no sport but constantly moving- get tired easily diet excellent- no smoke or drink been having this for a few years..thanks , ______________________________\ __ Get more done like never before with 7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 Essentia Aurea (Gold drops) for heart is very good, and be it known that it's malfunctioning of the heart as it is meant to beat regularly without missing spells, but if it is there, it indicate some dorment/latent conditions in the body, if addressed prpoperly will be ok with few Homeopathic remedies. For enrichment of blood corpuscles take Rexorubia Dr. --- On Mon, 9/14/09, cheryl bullock <cooee.shari wrote: cheryl bullock <cooee.shari 2 questions Monday, September 14, 2009, 5:59 AM does anyone have a list of herbs and diet for friend that has low white blood count? also any docs or naturpaths know if it is natural and normal to for heart to miss beats-sometimes for 2 -10 beats-my doc says it's normal-my partner thought i was imagining it untill he lay close to me last night whilst i slept and could feel my heart beat-now he's doing summersaults- i'm laughing but do want advice from professionals please - more info-i;m 54 female -overwieght but very active.no sport but constantly moving- get tired easily diet excellent- no smoke or drink been having this for a few years..thanks , ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ Get more done like never before with 7 Mail. Learn more: http://au.overview. mail.. com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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