Guest guest Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 About 18 months ago i got a severe stabbing pain in my upper-right side (right around where the liver and gallbladder are located). It felt like someone stabbed a knife into my back, twisted it, and held it there for 30 minutes. Every day since then i feel like constant crap. My abdomen has a constant feeling of discomfort. Every time i eat something (no matter what i eat) i get abdominal pain and/or my body becomes overheated (starting at the stomach). The more i eat, the more pain i get and/or overheated i become, so i try to eat small meals. If i eat foods that give me indigestion, such as legumes and whole grains, then the food will become stuck and i wont be able to eat for hours or even days. If i eat spicy foods then my entire body will become feverishly hot and will last for the rest of the day or longer. The same goes for when eating lots of sweets and fatty foods. Lately ive been getting ominous aches in my side right around where the gallbladder is. I did some research on the internet about digestive disorders and it appears that i have gallstones. I talked to a few people about gallstones and they said surgery is the only option. One mentioned something about using a laser to break up the gallstones. Either way, i cant afford it and im not even willing to pay to get an ultrasound test. I am unable to work and struggle at just going out and buying myself food to eat. I am looking for some natural remedies such as gallbladder flushes. Please help. Leif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Surgery is not the only option....you have a stone blocking a biliary duct. I had one at one time and resolved the issue with a liver flush. medusa groupleif wrote: > About 18 months ago i got a severe stabbing pain in my upper-right side (right around where the liver and gallbladder are located). It felt like someone stabbed a knife into my back, twisted it, and held it there for 30 minutes. Every day since then i feel like constant crap. My abdomen has a constant feeling of discomfort. Every time i eat something (no matter what i eat) i get abdominal pain and/or my body becomes overheated (starting at the stomach). The more i eat, the more pain i get and/or overheated i become, so i try to eat small meals. If i eat foods that give me indigestion, such as legumes and whole grains, then the food will become stuck and i wont be able to eat for hours or even days. If i eat spicy foods then my entire body will become feverishly hot and will last for the rest of the day or longer. The same goes for when eating lots of sweets and fatty foods. Lately ive been getting ominous aches in my side right around where the gallbladder is. > > I did some research on the internet about digestive disorders and it appears that i have gallstones. I talked to a few people about gallstones and they said surgery is the only option. One mentioned something about using a laser to break up the gallstones. Either way, i cant afford it and im not even willing to pay to get an ultrasound test. I am unable to work and struggle at just going out and buying myself food to eat. I am looking for some natural remedies such as gallbladder flushes. Please help. > > Leif > > > > --- > > ********************************************* > Peacefulmind.com Sponsors Alternative Answers- > > HEALING NATURALLY- Learn preventative and curative measure to take for many ailments at: > > http://www.peacefulmind.com/ailments.htm > __________ > > -To INVITE A FRIEND to our healing community, copy and paste this address in an email to them: > > http://health./subs_invite > > _________ > To ADD A LINK, RESOURCE, OR WEBSITE to Alternative Answers please Go to: > > http://health./links > > ___________ > > Post message: > Subscribe: - > Un: - > List owner: -owner > _______ > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 Hi Leif, Have you seen a doctor and actually had gallstones diagnosed? This is not an area which you want to take risks with - last summer my mother ended up hospitalised for 10 days due to pancreatitis which was caused by gallstones (which she didn't know she had, as she had no symptoms previously). This could potentially happen to you too, and pancreatitis can be fatal if not treated promptly and correctly. Mum ended up having surgery, and although I was worried, she came through it fine and is now able to eat a normal diet again. If you really don't want to have surgery, or can't afford it, your best option is to put yourself on a very low fat diet, and avoid eggs completely. This should lower your risk of suffering pancreatitis. It will however affect your skin, as your skin needs some fat to be at its best. Other members of this group know about various gall bladder flushes, herbal treatments etc - I would be wary of using a flush if you don't know for sure that you have stones, or how many and what size they are, as if you try to flush very large stones they could get stuck. Good luck! Vicky groupleif Sat, 18 Jul 2009 16:39:11 +0000 Suspected gallstones About 18 months ago i got a severe stabbing pain in my upper-right side (right around where the liver and gallbladder are located). It felt like someone stabbed a knife into my back, twisted it, and held it there for 30 minutes. Every day since then i feel like constant crap. My abdomen has a constant feeling of discomfort. Every time i eat something (no matter what i eat) i get abdominal pain and/or my body becomes overheated (starting at the stomach). The more i eat, the more pain i get and/or overheated i become, so i try to eat small meals. If i eat foods that give me indigestion, such as legumes and whole grains, then the food will become stuck and i wont be able to eat for hours or even days. If i eat spicy foods then my entire body will become feverishly hot and will last for the rest of the day or longer. The same goes for when eating lots of sweets and fatty foods. Lately ive been getting ominous aches in my side right around where the gallbladder is. I did some research on the internet about digestive disorders and it appears that i have gallstones. I talked to a few people about gallstones and they said surgery is the only option. One mentioned something about using a laser to break up the gallstones. Either way, i cant afford it and im not even willing to pay to get an ultrasound test. I am unable to work and struggle at just going out and buying myself food to eat. I am looking for some natural remedies such as gallbladder flushes. Please help. Leif _______________ : Celebrate 10 amazing years with free winks and emoticons. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/157562755/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2009 Report Share Posted July 20, 2009 For this, uses the patent formula called 'Lidan'. Also drink a bland tea from the herb 'Coin Grass' (Jin Qian Chao). Both are available at your Chinese pharmacy. That's what my TCM practitioner gave me. Worked. I keep things like this in my pantry. Never let anyone tell you surgery is the only option. Stephen Jared N.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 Leif, You say this started 18 months ago & you're too cheap to go to the doctor? Do you realize this can lead to pancreatitis? Which if your pancreas fails you DIE!! Do go to the doctor & see how bad this has gotten before you try to fix it yourself. It could be something totally different. A friend of mine just died yesterday, he had Pneumonia & didn't want to spend the money to go see the doc, his body shut down & he had a heart attack a few hours after he finally gave in & went to the hospital, he was only 50. I'm all for doing things yourself & not taking medications but once in awhile you need to see the doc to find out what IS wrong with you. Another friend had similar symptons as you & she has pancreatic cancer, they have given her little hope for recovery, she has opted for Chemo. Stop eating all whole foods & start juicing fruits & veggies or use a blender & DRINK all raw food this way your body doesn't have to do much for digestion. Then try searching the messages here for " gallstones " to see what people have posted before on this topic. , " groupleif " <groupleif wrote: > > About 18 months ago i got a severe stabbing pain in my upper-right side (right around where the liver and gallbladder are located). It felt like someone stabbed a knife into my back, twisted it, and held it there for 30 minutes. Every day since then i feel like constant crap. My abdomen has a constant feeling of discomfort. Every time i eat something (no matter what i eat) i get abdominal pain and/or my body becomes overheated (starting at the stomach). The more i eat, the more pain i get and/or overheated i become, so i try to eat small meals. > > Leif > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2009 Report Share Posted July 21, 2009 hi check out the rainforest herb " chanca piedra " available in tincture. Its called the stone breaker. You can also order chanca piedra herb and drink it as a tea. There is some good info about this when you google it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2009 Report Share Posted July 22, 2009 , " groupleif " <groupleif wrote: > > I am looking for some natural remedies such as gallbladder flushes. Please help. > > Leif > Hi Leif, It sounds like doing a series of liver/gall bladder flushes could be very beneficial for you. You can join this group, where you'll find loads of information, resources and support from people who have a lot of experience with these types of cleanses: http://health.gallstones/ You can also start doing some reading and research so you understand more about how your body (particularly the digestive system, liver and gall bladder) works, and how liver/gall bladder flushes can help to improve many, many different health challenges. Here are some links for you to explore: http://curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp http://ener-chi.com/liver.htm http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols/liver-flush/edwin-2day-apple-juice-fas\ t-liver-flush http://www.naturalnews.com/022271.html You might also consider reading this free e-book entitled " The Owner's Manual for the Human Body " by Dr. Saul Pressman: http://www.o3center.org/Articles/TheOwnersManualForTheHumanBody.html Elan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2009 Report Share Posted July 25, 2009 Wow! How incredibility insane! Some people are predisposed to gall bladder disease and some get it based on diet! I personally know one person (male, 29) that TRIED a holistic approach to gall bladder disease (confirmed Ultrasound and HIDA Scan) only to nearly die from it! He supposedly followed a similar process as described below. Another person (female, 62) thought she was having a heart attack only to learn it was a gall bladder attack. Another person (female, 63) went to the ER for her pain and was diagnosed as having a bad gall bladder. (Confirmed HIDA Scan). During her pre-operative testing, her EKG showed abnormalities. So not only does she have a diseased gall bladder, but until a stress test can be done - she can not have her gall bladder removed. Male, 45 thought he was having a heart attack to learn that his Gall bladder could possibly rupture. He had an emergency Laparoscopic Cholecystectomy. And today says he can eat whatever he pleases. Female, 49 thought her gall bladder was giving her pain - she learned she had liver cancer. She's dead now. Based on my own experience - I had an attack that lasted about 8 hours (which at the time felt like days and weeks!) I haven't had another attack as bad as that, but my pain continues intermittently. Pain described below (by other individuals) is out of character to the typical. And yes, some people can live with a diseased gall bladder, but that one stone is all it takes to either burst the gall bladder or create such havoc that your suicide attempt will be very painful....... Confirmation that it is the gall bladder is needed! You " might " be able to control what happens, but at least you will know it is your gall bladder and NOT your heart or liver! Or kidney, etc..... , Alobar <Alobar wrote: > > Docs will steal your money and you will never be as healthy as you > used to be. Surgery for gallstones is barbaric. > > My friend Ambros wrote the information below. He is nearly 80, does > not need glasses, takes no prescription drugs, and gives mighty good > health advice. > > Alobar > > Get rid of gallstones without surgery. > > Get rid of G A L L S T O N E S painlessly without surgery > > It must have been a woman who said that the three worst kinds of > pain a human being can experience are kidney-stone colic, gallstone > colic and labor pains. If you have gone through one or the other of > these, you understand what she means. We tend to really understand > only things which life has illustrated for us. > > What is a gallstone colic? > > You cannot easily mistake a gallstone attack, also referred to as > a gallstone colic or a gallbladder attack, for something else. It > comes as a hot sweep of pain across your middle, its epicenter a > little to the right of the stomach and about a hand's breadth below > the ribs. More often than not it hits full force right out of the > blue. It may break into a succession of waves of pain or remain one > continuous scream of pain to torment you for hours. > Before I move on, here is a word of reassurance. For one, a > gallstone attack is not life-threatening though the pain may become so > intense that you may wish you were dead. Next, if you can't bear the > pain, you may reach for a pain killer. It may take a heavy-duty one > to make the pain bearable till help arrives. But help is just around > the corner. > A colic is the result of a gallstone caught in the bile duct. > Some people carry gallstones in their gallbladder for years without > knowing that they are there. Some smaller stones may pass without > calling attention to themselves. But when a bigger stone gets caught, > the duct spasms and the result is the unbearable pain. > Impossible to tell just what makes a stone suddenly slip into the > bile duct. The consumption of a big fatty meal may do it. A signal > goes to the gall bladder to release a big quantity of bile. If a > gallstone happens to be in the wrong place, it may be swept along only > to get stuck in the bile duct. Presto, a wave of pain. > An emotional upset can trigger a gallstone attack. Perhaps the > upset has the same effect as the fatty meal -- that it causes the gall > bladder to squirt bile into the bile duct and a stone may be swept > along. > Some people have gallbladder attacks though X-rays show no > gallstones. Dr. James C. Breneman of the American College of > Allergists contends that these attacks are caused by foods to which > the patient is allergic and that they can be prevented if the > allergenic foods are eliminated from the diet. Whatever the cause, > the effects are the same -- terrible pain. > The progress of the ill depends on the size and the number of the > culprit(s). A small stone may cause no more than a relatively short > wave of pain; if the stone is large, it may mean hours and hours of > agony. If there is more than one stone, attack may follow attack at > irregular intervals. > > First Aid Measures > > 1. As much as possible, relax; at least dismiss the fear that > the attack may kill you. > 2. Fast. Don't eat or drink at least till the first wave of the > attack is over. When the attack is over, try a glass of water. Next, > try a glass of fruit juice and/or eat some fruit -- a slice of melon, > a banana, a peach or an apple. If, half an hour later, the pain has > not come back, try a snack of non-fat food such as a hot cereal with a > little skim milk. And, if this does not lead to renewed pain, the > whole ordeal may be over. You may not have another attack for months, > perhaps for years. > 3. If the pain comes back, fast again. Do not drink anything > till the attack is over but continue to abstain from food for at least > twenty-four hours. Break the fast with a glass of fruit juice and > some fifteen minutes later have a light meal. Again, this may be the > end of the ordeal. If it is not, get ready to rid yourself of the > gallstones. > > You have two choices -- you can see a doctor or DO IT YOURSELF. > Perhaps you should see a doctor, if only to have the presence of > gallstones confirmed. That can be done by X-ray or ultrasound. But > seeing a doctor will mean waiting; it may mean all sorts of probably > unnecessary tests; it may mean pills -- pills for the pain and pills > to dissolve the stones -- and hard-to-resist pressure to have yourself > scheduled for surgery. The surgical removal of the gallbladder > (cholecystectomy) is big business. Hundreds of thousands of them are > excised annually in the US, tens of thousands in Canada. Doing it > yourself will mean about six hours of a dietary procedure which is so > simple that you may shake your head in disbelief when I tell you what > it involves but which is sure to rid you of the stones within the next > twenty-four hours. It is non-invasive, wholly painless and fully > effective, and it leaves your gallbladder where it has always been. > > How to get rid of gallstones > > Go buy half a liter of GOOD olive oil -- only " extra-virgin olive > oil " is good enough -- and seven or eight medium-size lemons. Then go > about your treatment this way: > > 1) Don't eat anything after the midday meal... > 2) Commence the actual treatment about 6:00 p.m. Take four > tablespoonfuls of the oil and immediately after take a tablespoon of > pure, freshly extracted and unsweetened lemon juice... repeat this > fifteen minutes later -- first four tablespoons of oil and then one > tablespoon of the lemon juice... continue repeating this every fifteen > minutes until all the oil is gone... then drink the remaining lemon > juice. If you don't want to mess around with single tablespoons, > measure four spoonfuls into a small container once, note how far this > fills the container and then take the oil from the container in one > gulp every fifteen minutes. Egg cups or shot glasses do fine. > > It is very important that all the oil be taken at those intervals. > The purpose of the lemon juice is to " settle " the oil and to keep > nausea from developing. Even so, an occasional patient will vomit > some of the oil during or after the treatment. But that's merely an > excess quantity not required by that particular patient's system for > achieving the full results. Note that even if you vomit some of the > oil during the treatment, you must carry on taking the oil at the > fifteen minute intervals. If you don't do that, some of the stones > may be left " in transit " and they may cause biliary colic a few days > later, when they begin to move without the soothing and softening > action of the olive oil. > For the next twenty-four to forty-eight hours, you should pass all > bowel movements into a basin or a bowl. Run water strongly on the > excrement to wash out the stones. Most of them will sink but some > may float. They may vary in size from that of a grain of millet to > several times the size of a big chickpea. > If you can do it, rinse all the culprits out and count them. You > may be in for a surprise. I have known cases that yielded several > dozen stones. If you find it difficult to examine your stool in > detail, either let someone else do it for you or pick out at least a > few of the offenders to confirm their presence. > Most of them are the biliverdin type -- solidified green bile -- > and they tend to be bluish-green spotted with yellow. In very rare > cases there are bilirubin stones -- solidified red bile pigment -- > which are bright red in appearance. All of them tend to be softened > to the point of rubberiness. In fact, the softening and dissolving > action of this treatment is such that, unless you keep them in the > fridge, they will fall away into an oily liquid in a day or two. > If you have been scheduled for surgery, do the oil treatment a few > days before, wash the stones from the excrement and then take them > along to show to your doctor that, whether (s)he likes it or not, > surgery is no longer necessary. Remember to keep them refrigerated. > Good luck.... > > An ounce of prevention... > > Preventing gallstones from forming, it seems, is not as easy as > getting rid of them, chiefly because we don't really know what causes > them. We do know that they consist mainly of cholesterol but we don't > know just what makes the difference between cholesterol that stays > liquid and cholesterol which decides to solidify. Reducing your > cholesterol intake is no guarantee that stones won't form. Various > studies have shown that people who consume no cholesterol at all -- no > meat, no dairy products, no eggs -- can still end up with a high > cholesterol count and -- yes -- with gallstones. Cholesterol is a > vital substance. If your body does not get it from the food you eat, > your liver produces it. > Faute de mieux, I recommend that people plagued with gallstones > worry less about their cholesterol intake -- a moderate intake of > cholesterol is probably best -- than about things that can be counted > on to keep cholesterol mobile -- lecithin, garlic, good vegetable oil, > extra fiber and exercise. Beans, peas and lentils are good food > sources of lecithin. You can, moreover, buy lecithin granules at your > health food store. Garlic is best taken raw but garlic pearls are a > good second best. You need not avoid eggs unless you are allergic to > them. Though the egg yolk contains much cholesterol, it also contains > lecithin, the substance that keeps cholesterol " honest. " As for good > oil -- GOOD means cold-pressed; it means that the oil comes in bottles > made of dark glass or, better yet, in opaque metal or plastic bottles; > it means that the oil should be fresh, preferably no more than a few > months old. A diet high in fiber can be counted on to afford > protection against gallstones. In societies where people consume a > lot of fiber, gallstones are virtually unknown. Exercise, apart from > whatever else it does for you, helps to keep cholesterol mobile. > If X-rays show no gallstones, the attack may indeed be due to > allergenic foods. In this case, prevention would focus first on > identifying the offensive foods and then on avoiding them. At the > beginning of an attack, start a fast. Fast for two days and then break > your fast with one food. If that one food triggers another attack, > you mark that food as offensive. Continue this procedure as long as > you can take it or till you run out of troublesome foods. > Here are two short lists of foods, one of foods that are least > likely to be allergens -- rye, beef, soybeans, rice, spinach, yogurt; > and a second one of foods that are most likely to be allergenic > offenders -- wheat, pork, eggs, milk, coffee, oranges, corn. If you > want quick relief from an attack without having to fast, reach for > foods in the first list. If you are prepared to go all the way, fast > for a couple of days and then test the potential offenders in the > second list one by one. If, after having determined which foods you > are sensitive to, you avoid those foods, you may never have another > gallbladder colic. > > http://waterbuf.livejournal.com/1091.html > > > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:12 AM, > PurpleDiamond<abigpurplediamond wrote: > > Leif, > > You say this started 18 months ago & you're too cheap to go to the doctor? Do you realize this can lead to pancreatitis? Which if your pancreas fails you DIE!! Do go to the doctor & see how bad this has gotten before you try to fix it yourself. It could be something totally different. A friend of mine just died yesterday, he had Pneumonia & didn't want to spend the money to go see the doc, his body shut down & he had a heart attack a few hours after he finally gave in & went to the hospital, he was only 50. I'm all for doing things yourself & not taking medications but once in awhile you need to see the doc to find out what IS wrong with you. Another friend had similar symptons as you & she has pancreatic cancer, they have given her little hope for recovery, she has opted for Chemo. > > Stop eating all whole foods & start juicing fruits & veggies or use a blender & DRINK all raw food this way your body doesn't have to do much for digestion. Then try searching the messages here for " gallstones " to see what people have posted before on this topic. > > > > > > > > , " groupleif " <groupleif@> wrote: > >> > >> About 18 months ago i got a severe stabbing pain in my upper-right side (right around where the liver and gallbladder are located). It felt like someone stabbed a knife into my back, twisted it, and held it there for 30 minutes. Every day since then i feel like constant crap. My abdomen has a constant feeling of discomfort. Every time i eat something (no matter what i eat) i get abdominal pain and/or my body becomes overheated (starting at the stomach). The more i eat, the more pain i get and/or overheated i become, so i try to eat small meals. > > >> Leif > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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