Soy??? Barley Formula

January 14, 2005

Yes, this is the original Barley Formula:

Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of muslin

tie it loosely to allow for expansion

place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water

boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented so that steam can escape

mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup

Notes: never use an aluminium cooking pot - stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for anything else anymore - only for this barley. The amount of syrup can be varied according to taste. Barley water should turn very very pink and this will tell you it is the right consistency. You only use the barley water, not the barley itself.

I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly or you won't have much water left - it took me a few times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-)

My son grew up on this formula, which he still drank as a "drink" until he was 3 1/2 years old. He's as strong as an ox, and extremely healthy!!! This is unusual for a Down's Syndrome boy, most of whom suffer many health problems.

I didn't know Doc at the time, and wasn't aware of organic foods, or the soy problems. As my son had a dairy allergy, we substituted soy milk in this formula for the dairy milk. As I say, he's doing absolutely great. But we're in Europe, and the GM does not seem to be a problem here, so we might have been okay all along. Even so, since then I have heard of other possible problems with soy, so now we use our home-made almond milk.

You don't need to worry about the syrup creating a "sweet-tooth". My son has NEVER been interested in sweets, and never had any until he started mixing with school aged kids. And unfortunately he's with his grandma every Sunday, who believed a child should be eating sweets, and tried to entice him frequently with sweets - so now he likes them!! :-( But, it definitely wasn't caused by the syrup in the formula, that's all I'm saying LOL

BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized" milk, only "homogenised".

Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids have had it, and I've only heard good reports from it.

love

Lisa

-

Carole Eddington

herbal remedies

Friday, January 14, 2005 1:35 AM

RE: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? What to feed babies - Doc???

I would not give a baby soy. There’s a book on juicing by Norman Walker that talks about a combination of organic carrot juice and raw goat’s milk for babies, which sounds really good to me from everything I know. I believe breast is best if the mom is on a correct diet, but if that’s not possible . . . I wonder what Doc has to offer on this. There is a great formula involving soaking barley, but it uses pasteurized milk. I would use raw milk. Does anyone know the formula?

January 14, 2005

Thanks. I am afraid to stop giving my 7 months old soy

formula because I do not have a substitute for so many

ingridients it has in it. Could there be problems with

Organic Soy though?

--- Lisa de Haas <lisa wrote:

> Yes, this is the original Barley Formula:

>

> Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of

> muslin

> tie it loosely to allow for expansion

> place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water

> boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented

> so that steam can escape

> mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley

> water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup

> Notes: never use an aluminium cooking pot -

> stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for

> anything else anymore - only for this barley. The

> amount of syrup can be varied according to taste.

> Barley water should turn very very pink and this

> will tell you it is the right consistency. You only

> use the barley water, not the barley itself.

>

> I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly

> or you won't have much water left - it took me a few

> times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-)

>

> My son grew up on this formula, which he still drank

> as a " drink " until he was 3 1/2 years old. He's as

> strong as an ox, and extremely healthy!!! This is

> unusual for a Down's Syndrome boy, most of whom

> suffer many health problems.

>

> I didn't know Doc at the time, and wasn't aware of

> organic foods, or the soy problems. As my son had a

> dairy allergy, we substituted soy milk in this

> formula for the dairy milk. As I say, he's doing

> absolutely great. But we're in Europe, and the GM

> does not seem to be a problem here, so we might have

> been okay all along. Even so, since then I have

> heard of other possible problems with soy, so now we

> use our home-made almond milk.

>

> You don't need to worry about the syrup creating a

> " sweet-tooth " . My son has NEVER been interested in

> sweets, and never had any until he started mixing

> with school aged kids. And unfortunately he's with

> his grandma every Sunday, who believed a child

> should be eating sweets, and tried to entice him

> frequently with sweets - so now he likes them!! :-(

> But, it definitely wasn't caused by the syrup in the

> formula, that's all I'm saying LOL

>

> BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say " pasteurized "

> milk, only " homogenised " .

>

> Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids

> have had it, and I've only heard good reports from

> it.

>

> love

> Lisa

> -

> Carole Eddington

> herbal remedies

> Friday, January 14, 2005 1:35 AM

> RE: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? What to feed

> babies - Doc???

>

> I would not give a baby soy. There's a book on

> juicing by Norman Walker that talks about a

> combination of organic carrot juice and raw goat's

> milk for babies, which sounds really good to me from

> everything I know. I believe breast is best if the

> mom is on a correct diet, but if that's not possible

> . . . I wonder what Doc has to offer on this. There

> is a great formula involving soaking barley, but it

> uses pasteurized milk. I would use raw milk. Does

> anyone know the formula?

>

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January 14, 2005

Hi,

I am assuming you are talking about a ready-made formula?

If so, I have NEVER used them! Nothing can beat the real home-made food - you then know exactly what goes in them, and can ensure a healthy balance. This formula below was designed specially for babies, to give them all the nutrients they need for a growing a healthy body. And ensuring organic ingredients would make this a wonderful formula for any baby.

If your child a boy or girl? Reason I ask is that soy has the plant-equivalent of oestrogen in it, which is a female hormone. So soy is definitely not optimum for a boy. As I said, my son was raised on it, but that was before I knew about this. Now he still eats soy yoghurt, but no other soy products - I simply have not found a healthier replacement for soy yoghurt - he can't have dairy, and hates goats products. But as we are in Europe, the GM issue should not be a problem for us here. And he just looooves his yoghurt! We are working on optimizing his diet anyhow, and I started with optimizing his dinner. This is now well in progress. The yoghurt issue will be next :-)

I guess it would be up to you to decide what is best for your baby.

love

Lisa

-

Konstantin Freger

herbal remedies

Friday, January 14, 2005 12:34 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley Formula

Thanks. I am afraid to stop giving my 7 months old soyformula because I do not have a substitute for so manyingridients it has in it. Could there be problems withOrganic Soy though?--- Lisa de Haas <lisa wrote:> Yes, this is the original Barley Formula:> > Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of> muslin> tie it loosely to allow for expansion> place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water> boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented> so that steam can escape> mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley> water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup> Notes: never use an aluminium cooking pot -> stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for> anything else anymore - only for this barley. The> amount of syrup can be varied according to taste.> Barley water should turn very very pink and this> will tell you it is the right consistency. You only> use the barley water, not the barley itself.> > I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly> or you won't have much water left - it took me a few> times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-)> > My son grew up on this formula, which he still drank> as a "drink" until he was 3 1/2 years old. He's as> strong as an ox, and extremely healthy!!! This is> unusual for a Down's Syndrome boy, most of whom> suffer many health problems.> > I didn't know Doc at the time, and wasn't aware of> organic foods, or the soy problems. As my son had a> dairy allergy, we substituted soy milk in this> formula for the dairy milk. As I say, he's doing> absolutely great. But we're in Europe, and the GM> does not seem to be a problem here, so we might have> been okay all along. Even so, since then I have> heard of other possible problems with soy, so now we> use our home-made almond milk.> > You don't need to worry about the syrup creating a> "sweet-tooth". My son has NEVER been interested in> sweets, and never had any until he started mixing> with school aged kids. And unfortunately he's with> his grandma every Sunday, who believed a child> should be eating sweets, and tried to entice him> frequently with sweets - so now he likes them!! :-(> But, it definitely wasn't caused by the syrup in the> formula, that's all I'm saying LOL> > BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized"> milk, only "homogenised".> > Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids> have had it, and I've only heard good reports from> it.> > love> Lisa> - > Carole Eddington > herbal remedies > Friday, January 14, 2005 1:35 AM> RE: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? What to feed> babies - Doc???> > > I would not give a baby soy. There's a book on> juicing by Norman Walker that talks about a> combination of organic carrot juice and raw goat's> milk for babies, which sounds really good to me from> everything I know. I believe breast is best if the> mom is on a correct diet, but if that's not possible> . . . I wonder what Doc has to offer on this. There> is a great formula involving soaking barley, but it> uses pasteurized milk. I would use raw milk. Does> anyone know the formula?> Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.http://info.mail./mail_250

January 14, 2005

I know it's stressful when you're worried about your baby. But, yes,

even organic soy is suspect. Part of the problem is that frequently

even organic soy is genetically modified. But, the main problem is

with the soy itself. Soy used to be grown to replenish fields that

were depleted from other products. When they cut it, it was turned

into silage for cattle (remember bovine - 4 stomachs).

The good effects of Miso or fermented soy, such as soy sauce, became

the " ideal " in how the companies who had all this excess soy on hand

could be neatly turned into profit. The total amount of soy being

used in oriental countries is relatively small. We Americans have to

overdo everything! You'll find processed soy (flour, protein, you

name it) in almost everything now and we're getting way too much of

it. My nutritionist took me off it completely and now I that I've

studied it, I understand why.

I suggest the Barley formula. My friend's granddaughter was raised

on it, is now 3-1/2, and is very healthy. She was given only

natural sugars, lots of fruits and vegetables, and is rarely sick -

even in daycare. However, instead of the corn syrup in the recipe

below, our holistic nutritionist said to use organic honey instead.

I believe they also used goat's milk rather than homogenized milk.

Sage loved it.

Good luck.

herbal remedies , Konstantin Freger

<kfreger> wrote:

>

> Thanks. I am afraid to stop giving my 7 months old soy

> formula because I do not have a substitute for so many

> ingridients it has in it. Could there be problems with

> Organic Soy though?

>

> --- Lisa de Haas <lisa@l...> wrote:

>

> > Yes, this is the original Barley Formula:

> >

> > Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of

> > muslin

> > tie it loosely to allow for expansion

> > place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water

> > boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented

> > so that steam can escape

> > mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley

> > water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup

> > Notes: never use an aluminium cooking pot -

> > stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for

> > anything else anymore - only for this barley. The

> > amount of syrup can be varied according to taste.

> > Barley water should turn very very pink and this

> > will tell you it is the right consistency. You only

> > use the barley water, not the barley itself.

> >

> > I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly

> > or you won't have much water left - it took me a few

> > times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-)

> >

> > My son grew up on this formula, which he still drank

> > as a " drink " until he was 3 1/2 years old. He's as

> > strong as an ox, and extremely healthy!!! This is

> > unusual for a Down's Syndrome boy, most of whom

> > suffer many health problems.

> >

> > I didn't know Doc at the time, and wasn't aware of

> > organic foods, or the soy problems. As my son had a

> > dairy allergy, we substituted soy milk in this

> > formula for the dairy milk. As I say, he's doing

> > absolutely great. But we're in Europe, and the GM

> > does not seem to be a problem here, so we might have

> > been okay all along. Even so, since then I have

> > heard of other possible problems with soy, so now we

> > use our home-made almond milk.

> >

> > You don't need to worry about the syrup creating a

> > " sweet-tooth " . My son has NEVER been interested in

> > sweets, and never had any until he started mixing

> > with school aged kids. And unfortunately he's with

> > his grandma every Sunday, who believed a child

> > should be eating sweets, and tried to entice him

> > frequently with sweets - so now he likes them!! :-(

> > But, it definitely wasn't caused by the syrup in the

> > formula, that's all I'm saying LOL

> >

> > BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say " pasteurized "

> > milk, only " homogenised " .

> >

> > Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids

> > have had it, and I've only heard good reports from

> > it.

> >

> > love

> > Lisa

> > -

> > Carole Eddington

> > herbal remedies

> > Friday, January 14, 2005 1:35 AM

> > RE: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? What to feed

> > babies - Doc???

> >

> > I would not give a baby soy. There's a book on

> > juicing by Norman Walker that talks about a

> > combination of organic carrot juice and raw goat's

> > milk for babies, which sounds really good to me from

> > everything I know. I believe breast is best if the

> > mom is on a correct diet, but if that's not possible

> > . . . I wonder what Doc has to offer on this. There

> > is a great formula involving soaking barley, but it

> > uses pasteurized milk. I would use raw milk. Does

> > anyone know the formula?

> >

>

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January 14, 2005

Hi, I am Tonya and new to the group. I found this website very interesting about soy. I have read many articles published by the Weston Price Foundation which turned me away from soy. My opinion is that if a person has a dairy allergy they can usually tolerate raw dairy (unpasteurized). I find that pasteurized dairy gives me some problems, but I do great with raw dairy. I think a live food is the most healthy option, because they have live enzymes and healthy bacteria which helps the body digest.

http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

Konstantin Freger [kfreger] Friday, January 14, 2005 6:35 AMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley FormulaThanks. I am afraid to stop giving my 7 months old soyformula because I do not have a substitute for so manyingridients it has in it. Could there be problems withOrganic Soy though?--- Lisa de Haas <lisa wrote:> Yes, this is the original Barley Formula:> > Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of> muslin> tie it loosely to allow for expansion> place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water> boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented> so that steam can escape> mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley> water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup> Notes: never use an aluminium cooking pot -> stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for> anything else anymore - only for this barley. The> amount of syrup can be varied according to taste.> Barley water should turn very very pink and this> will tell you it is the right consistency. You only> use the barley water, not the barley itself.> > I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly> or you won't have much water left - it took me a few> times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-)> > My son grew up on this formula, which he still drank> as a "drink" until he was 3 1/2 years old. He's as> strong as an ox, and extremely healthy!!! This is> unusual for a Down's Syndrome boy, most of whom> suffer many health problems.> > I didn't know Doc at the time, and wasn't aware of> organic foods, or the soy problems. As my son had a> dairy allergy, we substituted soy milk in this> formula for the dairy milk. As I say, he's doing> absolutely great. But we're in Europe, and the GM> does not seem to be a problem here, so we might have> been okay all along. Even so, since then I have> heard of other possible problems with soy, so now we> use our home-made almond milk.> > You don't need to worry about the syrup creating a> "sweet-tooth". My son has NEVER been interested in> sweets, and never had any until he started mixing> with school aged kids. And unfortunately he's with> his grandma every Sunday, who believed a child> should be eating sweets, and tried to entice him> frequently with sweets - so now he likes them!! :-(> But, it definitely wasn't caused by the syrup in the> formula, that's all I'm saying LOL> > BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized"> milk, only "homogenised".> > Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids> have had it, and I've only heard good reports from> it.> > love> Lisa> - > Carole Eddington > herbal remedies > Friday, January 14, 2005 1:35 AM> RE: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? What to feed> babies - Doc???> > > I would not give a baby soy. There's a book on> juicing by Norman Walker that talks about a> combination of organic carrot juice and raw goat's> milk for babies, which sounds really good to me from> everything I know. I believe breast is best if the> mom is on a correct diet, but if that's not possible> . . . I wonder what Doc has to offer on this. There> is a great formula involving soaking barley, but it> uses pasteurized milk. I would use raw milk. Does> anyone know the formula?> Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.http://info.mail./mail_250Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

January 14, 2005

Thanks, Lisa.

I guess I had it wrong. I thought it said pasteurized. I’m

glad it doesn’t. Although, I think homogenized is bad, too.

It’s a formula from old Roman

times, and they weren’t homogenizing then, so I think just raw would be

fine. And there’s more data on it that after the child is a year

old, you can use honey. I would use totally raw unheated honey.

Corn syrup in the U.S.

has lots of added sugar. (Note on raw honey: In the U.S., if it

says “raw,” they still heat it once. Only buy it if it says

something like “really raw” or “absolutely no heating.”

I get mine from a co-op of farmers. It’s so good and good for you!)

Love,

Carole

Lisa de

Haas [lisa]

Friday, January 14, 2005 5:00 AM

herbal remedies

Re: Herbal Remedies -

Soy??? Barley Formula

Yes, this is the original Barley Formula:

Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of muslin

tie it loosely to allow for expansion

place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water

boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented so that

steam can escape

mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley water; 10 oz

homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup

Notes: never use an aluminium cooking pot - stainless steel

is best. Do not use this pot for anything else anymore - only for this barley.

The amount of syrup can be varied according to taste. Barley water should turn

very very pink and this will tell you it is the right consistency. You only use

the barley water, not the barley itself.

I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly or you

won't have much water left - it took me a few times trying to get the hang of

it on my stove :-)

My son grew up on this formula, which he still drank as a

" drink " until he was 3 1/2 years old. He's as strong as an ox, and

extremely healthy!!! This is unusual for a Down's Syndrome boy, most of whom

suffer many health problems.

I didn't know Doc at the time, and wasn't aware of organic

foods, or the soy problems. As my son had a dairy allergy, we substituted soy

milk in this formula for the dairy milk. As I say, he's doing absolutely great.

But we're in Europe, and the GM does not seem

to be a problem here, so we might have been okay all along. Even so, since then

I have heard of other possible problems with soy, so now we use our home-made

almond milk.

You don't need to worry about the syrup creating a

" sweet-tooth " . My son has NEVER been interested in sweets, and never

had any until he started mixing with school aged kids. And unfortunately he's

with his grandma every Sunday, who believed a child should be eating sweets,

and tried to entice him frequently with sweets - so now he likes them!! :-(

But, it definitely wasn't caused by the syrup in the formula, that's all I'm

saying LOL

BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say " pasteurized "

milk, only " homogenised " .

Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids have had

it, and I've only heard good reports from it.

love

Lisa

-

Carole Eddington

herbal remedies

Friday, January 14, 2005

1:35 AM

RE: Herbal

Remedies - Soy??? What to feed babies - Doc???

I would not give a baby soy. There’s a book on

juicing by Norman

Walker that talks about a

combination of organic carrot juice and raw goat’s milk for babies, which

sounds really good to me from everything I know. I believe breast is best

if the mom is on a correct diet, but if that’s not possible . . . I

wonder what Doc has to offer on this. There is a great formula involving

soaking barley, but it uses pasteurized milk. I would use raw milk.

Does anyone know the formula?

Federal

Law requires that we warn you of the following:

1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

before using any natural remedy.

3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your own physician and to

prescribe for your own health.

We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome to post here as long as

they behave themselves.

Any opinions put forth by the list members are

exactly that, and any person

following the advice of anyone posting here does

so at their own risk.

It is up to you to educate yourself. By

accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to

be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

the List Owner and members free of any liability.

Dr. Ian Shillington

Doctor of Naturopathy

Dr.IanShillington

January 14, 2005

You did see this article I sent, didn’t you?

SOY

DEMINERALIZES BODIES

by Dr. Anita

Pepi

Soybeans contain high levels of phytic acid, a substance which blocks

the uptake of minerals in the intestines. Fermentation for a long period

is beneficial, and is the only process that will reduce these phytates in

soy. Examples of this include soy sauce and miso soup.

For example, people who drink soy milk every day run the risk of

increased cavities and infection due to calcium loss, anemia due to iron loss,

thyroid dysfunction due to iodine loss, and sexual and brain dysfunction due to

zinc loss. Soy usage is particularly dangerous for children and pregnant

mothers.

But this is just the tip of the iceberg regarding soy. Internet

users can get more data that includes research studies from all over the world

at:

Soy Online Service — http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

Weston

A. Price Foundation — http://www.westonaprice.org

I have been researching soy in my practice now for about two

years. One for one, frequent soy users had extensive mineral

deficiencies. For this reason, I had to find the most efficient procedure

for remineralizing a body so that it takes months instead of years. I

have created a “soy-safe” office. As a service to you, there

are no supplements for sale in our office that contain soy.

Why does America

think soy = health? The soy industry spends well over 80 million dollars

per year in advertising. One of the results of this marketing is that the

food industry adds soy to most packaged, flour-based food and many other

pre-prepared foods.

You can improve your health simply by avoiding soy and all foods

containing it! Bon Appetit!

Konstantin Freger

[kfreger]

Friday, January 14, 2005 6:35 AM

herbal remedies

Re: Herbal Remedies -

Soy??? Barley Formula

Thanks.

I am afraid to stop giving my 7 months old soy

formula

because I do not have a substitute for so many

ingridients

it has in it. Could there be problems with

Organic Soy

though?

January 14, 2005

HONEY NO - under any circumstances are you to give a baby honey under

the age of 1!

Honey is the only food implicated in infant botulism. Since it is NOT

essential for the nutrition of infants, parents and caregivers are

reminded not to feed honey to infants less than one year of age. Honey

should never be added to baby food or used on a soother to quiet a fussy

or colicky baby. Concerned parents should discuss alternative methods

for quieting their baby with their pediatrician or family doctor.

Deana

zengirl04 wrote:

>

> I know it's stressful when you're worried about your baby. But, yes,

> even organic soy is suspect. Part of the problem is that frequently

> even organic soy is genetically modified. But, the main problem is

> with the soy itself. Soy used to be grown to replenish fields that

> were depleted from other products. When they cut it, it was turned

> into silage for cattle (remember bovine - 4 stomachs).

>

> The good effects of Miso or fermented soy, such as soy sauce, became

> the " ideal " in how the companies who had all this excess soy on hand

> could be neatly turned into profit. The total amount of soy being

> used in oriental countries is relatively small. We Americans have to

> overdo everything! You'll find processed soy (flour, protein, you

> name it) in almost everything now and we're getting way too much of

> it. My nutritionist took me off it completely and now I that I've

> studied it, I understand why.

>

> I suggest the Barley formula. My friend's granddaughter was raised

> on it, is now 3-1/2, and is very healthy. She was given only

> natural sugars, lots of fruits and vegetables, and is rarely sick -

> even in daycare. However, instead of the corn syrup in the recipe

> below, our holistic nutritionist said to use organic honey instead.

> I believe they also used goat's milk rather than homogenized milk.

> Sage loved it.

>

> Good luck.

>

> herbal remedies , Konstantin Freger

> <kfreger> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks. I am afraid to stop giving my 7 months old soy

> > formula because I do not have a substitute for so many

> > ingridients it has in it. Could there be problems with

> > Organic Soy though?

> >

> > --- Lisa de Haas <lisa@l...> wrote:

> >

> > > Yes, this is the original Barley Formula:

> > >

> > > Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of

> > > muslin

> > > tie it loosely to allow for expansion

> > > place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water

> > > boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented

> > > so that steam can escape

> > > mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley

> > > water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup

> > > Notes: never use an aluminium cooking pot -

> > > stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for

> > > anything else anymore - only for this barley. The

> > > amount of syrup can be varied according to taste.

> > > Barley water should turn very very pink and this

> > > will tell you it is the right consistency. You only

> > > use the barley water, not the barley itself.

> > >

> > > I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly

> > > or you won't have much water left - it took me a few

> > > times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-)

> > >

> > > My son grew up on this formula, which he still drank

> > > as a " drink " until he was 3 1/2 years old. He's as

> > > strong as an ox, and extremely healthy!!! This is

> > > unusual for a Down's Syndrome boy, most of whom

> > > suffer many health problems.

> > >

> > > I didn't know Doc at the time, and wasn't aware of

> > > organic foods, or the soy problems. As my son had a

> > > dairy allergy, we substituted soy milk in this

> > > formula for the dairy milk. As I say, he's doing

> > > absolutely great. But we're in Europe, and the GM

> > > does not seem to be a problem here, so we might have

> > > been okay all along. Even so, since then I have

> > > heard of other possible problems with soy, so now we

> > > use our home-made almond milk.

> > >

> > > You don't need to worry about the syrup creating a

> > > " sweet-tooth " . My son has NEVER been interested in

> > > sweets, and never had any until he started mixing

> > > with school aged kids. And unfortunately he's with

> > > his grandma every Sunday, who believed a child

> > > should be eating sweets, and tried to entice him

> > > frequently with sweets - so now he likes them!! :-(

> > > But, it definitely wasn't caused by the syrup in the

> > > formula, that's all I'm saying LOL

> > >

> > > BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say " pasteurized "

> > > milk, only " homogenised " .

> > >

> > > Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids

> > > have had it, and I've only heard good reports from

> > > it.

> > >

> > > love

> > > Lisa

> > > -

> > > Carole Eddington

> > > herbal remedies

> > > Friday, January 14, 2005 1:35 AM

> > > RE: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? What to feed

> > > babies - Doc???

> > >

> > > I would not give a baby soy. There's a book on

> > > juicing by Norman Walker that talks about a

> > > combination of organic carrot juice and raw goat's

> > > milk for babies, which sounds really good to me from

> > > everything I know. I believe breast is best if the

> > > mom is on a correct diet, but if that's not possible

> > > . . . I wonder what Doc has to offer on this. There

> > > is a great formula involving soaking barley, but it

> > > uses pasteurized milk. I would use raw milk. Does

> > > anyone know the formula?

> > >

> >

> > Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.

> > http://info.mail./mail_250

>

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

> natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician

> and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as

> long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any

> person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products

> from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and

> members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

> ------

> *

January 15, 2005

Hi Tonya, are you in the USA? If not, you may not be aware that it

is very difficult in most places in the US to get raw milk.

Actually, it is illegal to sell it for human consumption. The

dairies that do sell raw milk are required to label it for " animal

consumption only " . My closest source is 5 hours away. But, I agree

that raw, unpasturized, unhomogonized milk is best for us humans.

herbal remedies , " Tonya Wiersch " <tonya@w...>

wrote:

> Hi, I am Tonya and new to the group. I found this website very

interesting

> about soy. I have read many articles published by the Weston Price

> Foundation which turned me away from soy. My opinion is that if a

person has

> a dairy allergy they can usually tolerate raw dairy

(unpasteurized). I find

> that pasteurized dairy gives me some problems, but I do great with

raw

> dairy. I think a live food is the most healthy option, because

they have

> live enzymes and healthy bacteria which helps the body digest.

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

> <http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html>

>

> Konstantin Freger [kfreger]

> Friday, January 14, 2005 6:35 AM

> herbal remedies

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley Formula

>

> Thanks. I am afraid to stop giving my 7 months old soy

> formula because I do not have a substitute for so many

> ingridients it has in it. Could there be problems with

> Organic Soy though?

>

> --- Lisa de Haas <lisa@l...> wrote:

>

> > Yes, this is the original Barley Formula:

> >

> > Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of

> > muslin

> > tie it loosely to allow for expansion

> > place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water

> > boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented

> > so that steam can escape

> > mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley

> > water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup

> > Notes: never use an aluminium cooking pot -

> > stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for

> > anything else anymore - only for this barley. The

> > amount of syrup can be varied according to taste.

> > Barley water should turn very very pink and this

> > will tell you it is the right consistency. You only

> > use the barley water, not the barley itself.

> >

> > I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly

> > or you won't have much water left - it took me a few

> > times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-)

> >

> > My son grew up on this formula, which he still drank

> > as a " drink " until he was 3 1/2 years old. He's as

> > strong as an ox, and extremely healthy!!! This is

> > unusual for a Down's Syndrome boy, most of whom

> > suffer many health problems.

> >

> > I didn't know Doc at the time, and wasn't aware of

> > organic foods, or the soy problems. As my son had a

> > dairy allergy, we substituted soy milk in this

> > formula for the dairy milk. As I say, he's doing

> > absolutely great. But we're in Europe, and the GM

> > does not seem to be a problem here, so we might have

> > been okay all along. Even so, since then I have

> > heard of other possible problems with soy, so now we

> > use our home-made almond milk.

> >

> > You don't need to worry about the syrup creating a

> > " sweet-tooth " . My son has NEVER been interested in

> > sweets, and never had any until he started mixing

> > with school aged kids. And unfortunately he's with

> > his grandma every Sunday, who believed a child

> > should be eating sweets, and tried to entice him

> > frequently with sweets - so now he likes them!! :-(

> > But, it definitely wasn't caused by the syrup in the

> > formula, that's all I'm saying LOL

> >

> > BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say " pasteurized "

> > milk, only " homogenised " .

> >

> > Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids

> > have had it, and I've only heard good reports from

> > it.

> >

> > love

> > Lisa

> > -

> > Carole Eddington

> > herbal remedies

> > Friday, January 14, 2005 1:35 AM

> > RE: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? What to feed

> > babies - Doc???

> >

> > I would not give a baby soy. There's a book on

> > juicing by Norman Walker that talks about a

> > combination of organic carrot juice and raw goat's

> > milk for babies, which sounds really good to me from

> > everything I know. I believe breast is best if the

> > mom is on a correct diet, but if that's not possible

> > . . . I wonder what Doc has to offer on this. There

> > is a great formula involving soaking barley, but it

> > uses pasteurized milk. I would use raw milk. Does

> > anyone know the formula?

> >

>

> Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.

> http://info.mail./mail_250

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural

> remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here

as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from

> list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner

and

> members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

> _____

>

January 15, 2005

Well, so much for the nutritionist. How about agave nectar, which

is natural, compalex cactus nectar?

herbal remedies , Deana <squeekyme@c...> wrote:

>

> HONEY NO - under any circumstances are you to give a baby honey

under

> the age of 1!

>

> Honey is the only food implicated in infant botulism. Since it is

NOT

January 15, 2005

I really wonder, though, Deana,

if, like everything else, honey in its natural state, with all its enzymes and

properties intact, wouldn’t be fine for babies. The FDA always

likes to scare us with stories of food poisoning, parasites, etc., but often,

those stories leave out important facts, such as other things the peope

involved were doing that was wrong. I’m just wondering, that’s

all. Totally raw organic honey is an amazing food.

Carole

Deana [squeekyme]

Friday, January 14, 2005 5:15 PM

herbal remedies

Re: Herbal Remedies -

Soy??? Barley Formula

HONEY NO - under any circumstances are you

to give a baby honey under

the age of 1!

Honey is the only food implicated in infant

botulism. Since it is NOT

essential for the nutrition of infants, parents

and caregivers are

reminded not to feed honey to infants less than

one year of age. Honey

should never be added to baby food or used on a

soother to quiet a fussy

or colicky baby. Concerned parents should

discuss alternative methods

for quieting their baby with their pediatrician or

family doctor.

Deana

zengirl04 wrote:

>

> I know it's stressful when you're worried

about your baby. But, yes,

> even organic soy is suspect. Part of the

problem is that frequently

> even organic soy is genetically modified.

But, the main problem is

> with the soy itself. Soy used to be

grown to replenish fields that

> were depleted from other products. When they

cut it, it was turned

> into silage for cattle (remember bovine - 4

stomachs).

>

> The good effects of Miso or fermented soy,

such as soy sauce, became

> the " ideal " in how the companies

who had all this excess soy on hand

> could be neatly turned into profit. The total

amount of soy being

> used in oriental countries is relatively

small. We Americans have to

> overdo everything! You'll find

processed soy (flour, protein, you

> name it) in almost everything now and we're

getting way too much of

> it. My nutritionist took me off it completely

and now I that I've

> studied it, I understand why.

>

> I suggest the Barley formula. My friend's

granddaughter was raised

> on it, is now 3-1/2, and is very

healthy. She was given only

> natural sugars, lots of fruits and

vegetables, and is rarely sick -

> even in daycare. However, instead of

the corn syrup in the recipe

> below, our holistic nutritionist said to use

organic honey instead.

> I believe they also used goat's milk rather

than homogenized milk.

> Sage loved it.

>

> Good luck.

>

> herbal remedies ,

Konstantin Freger

> <kfreger> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks. I am afraid to stop giving my 7

months old soy

> > formula because I do not have a

substitute for so many

> > ingridients it has in it. Could there be

problems with

> > Organic Soy though?

> >

> > --- Lisa de Haas

<lisa@l...> wrote:

> >

> > > Yes, this is the original Barley

Formula:

> > >

> > > Put about half a cup of whole

barley in a piece of

> > > muslin

> > > tie it loosely to allow for

expansion

> > > place it in a pot containing 4

pints of water

> > > boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with

pot slightly vented

> > > so that steam can escape

> > > mix the formula using a ratio of:

15 oz barley

> > > water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz

of corn syrup

> > > Notes: never use an aluminium

cooking pot -

> > > stainless steel is best. Do not use

this pot for

> > > anything else anymore - only for

this barley. The

> > > amount of syrup can be varied

according to taste.

> > > Barley water should turn very very

pink and this

> > > will tell you it is the right

consistency. You only

> > > use the barley water, not the

barley itself.

> > >

> > > I found that the boiling has to be

done VERY slowly

> > > or you won't have much water left -

it took me a few

> > > times trying to get the hang of it

on my stove :-)

> > >

> > > My son grew up on this formula,

which he still drank

> > > as a " drink " until he was

3 1/2 years old. He's as

> > > strong as an ox, and extremely

healthy!!! This is

> > > unusual for a Down's Syndrome boy,

most of whom

> > > suffer many health problems.

> > >

> > > I didn't know Doc at the time, and

wasn't aware of

> > > organic foods, or the soy problems.

As my son had a

> > > dairy allergy, we substituted soy

milk in this

> > > formula for the dairy milk. As I

say, he's doing

> > > absolutely great. But we're in Europe, and the GM

> > > does not seem to be a problem here,

so we might have

> > > been okay all along. Even so, since

then I have

> > > heard of other possible problems

with soy, so now we

> > > use our home-made almond milk.

> > >

> > > You don't need to worry about the

syrup creating a

> > > " sweet-tooth " . My son has

NEVER been interested in

> > > sweets, and never had any until he

started mixing

> > > with school aged kids. And

unfortunately he's with

> > > his grandma every Sunday, who

believed a child

> > > should be eating sweets, and tried

to entice him

> > > frequently with sweets - so now he

likes them!! :-(

> > > But, it definitely wasn't caused by

the syrup in the

> > > formula, that's all I'm saying LOL

> > >

> > > BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say

" pasteurized "

> > > milk, only " homogenised " .

> > >

> > > Anyhow, have fun with this formula.

Lots of kids

> > > have had it, and I've only heard

good reports from

> > > it.

> > >

> > > love

> > > Lisa

> > > ----- Original Message

-----

> > > Carole Eddington

> > > herbal remedies

> > > Friday, January

14, 2005 1:35 AM

> > > RE: Herbal

Remedies - Soy??? What to feed

> > > babies - Doc???

> > >

> > > I would not give a baby

soy. There's a book on

> > > juicing by Norman Walker

that talks about a

> > > combination of organic carrot juice

and raw goat's

> > > milk for babies, which sounds

really good to me from

> > > everything I know. I believe

breast is best if the

> > > mom is on a correct diet, but if

that's not possible

> > > . . . I wonder what Doc has to

offer on this. There

> > > is a great formula involving

soaking barley, but it

> > > uses pasteurized milk. I

would use raw milk. Does

> > > anyone know the formula?

> > >

> >

>

> >

> > Mail - now with 250MB free

storage. Learn more.

> > http://info.mail./mail_250

>

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the

following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your

physician before using any

> natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right

to be your own physician

> and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome to post here as

> long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members

are exactly that, and any

> person

> following the advice of anyone posting here

does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By

accepting advice or products

> from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and

hold the List Owner and

> members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

------

> *

January 15, 2005

Well, this talk about honey I would say they are not talking about raw, organic honey. They are probably talking about commercial honey.

Doc, what do you think??

love

Lisa

-

zengirl04

herbal remedies

Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:42 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley Formula

Well, so much for the nutritionist. How about agave nectar, which is natural, compalex cactus nectar?herbal remedies , Deana <squeekyme@c...> wrote:> > HONEY NO - under any circumstances are you to give a baby honey under > the age of 1!> > Honey is the only food implicated in infant botulism. Since it is NOT

January 15, 2005

Hmmm... In that case I am very glad I live in California. I can get

raw milk at the grocery 2 miles from my house.

GRANTED - it is $5.99 for 1/2 gallon!!!! *swoones and drops to the

floor*

Twelve dollars for a gallon of milk is just asinine however - they

aren't my cows....lol

Regardless the crazy price...it is still raw milk. It appeared

in the milk section about 2 months ago. I splurged and bought myself

1/2 gallon.

It was sooooooo yummy!!! I was raised on raw milk and I hadn't had a

glass of *real* milk since I moved to CA 15 years ago...

So for me...that six bucks was a small price to pay for a tiny piece of

heaven!!

~~~ Tash

zengirl04 wrote:

Hi Tonya, are you in the USA? If not, you may not be aware that it

is very difficult in most places in the US to get raw milk.

Actually, it is illegal to sell it for human consumption. The

dairies that do sell raw milk are required to label it for "animal

consumption only". My closest source is 5 hours away. But, I agree

that raw, unpasturized, unhomogonized milk is best for us humans.

herbal remedies , "Tonya Wiersch"

<tonya@w...>

wrote:

> Hi, I am Tonya and new to the group. I found this website very

interesting

> about soy. I have read many articles published by the Weston Price

> Foundation which turned me away from soy. My opinion is that if a

person has

> a dairy allergy they can usually tolerate raw dairy

(unpasteurized). I find

> that pasteurized dairy gives me some problems, but I do great with

raw

> dairy. I think a live food is the most healthy option, because

they have

> live enzymes and healthy bacteria which helps the body digest.

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html

> <http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html>

>

> Konstantin Freger [kfreger]

> Friday, January 14, 2005 6:35 AM

> herbal remedies

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley Formula

>

> Thanks. I am afraid to stop giving my 7 months old soy

> formula because I do not have a substitute for so many

> ingridients it has in it. Could there be problems with

> Organic Soy though?

>

> --- Lisa de Haas <lisa@l...> wrote:

>

> > Yes, this is the original Barley Formula:

> >

> > Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of

> > muslin

> > tie it loosely to allow for expansion

> > place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water

> > boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented

> > so that steam can escape

> > mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley

> > water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup

> > Notes: never use an aluminium cooking pot -

> > stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for

> > anything else anymore - only for this barley. The

> > amount of syrup can be varied according to taste.

> > Barley water should turn very very pink and this

> > will tell you it is the right consistency. You only

> > use the barley water, not the barley itself.

> >

> > I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly

> > or you won't have much water left - it took me a few

> > times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-)

> >

> > My son grew up on this formula, which he still drank

> > as a "drink" until he was 3 1/2 years old. He's as

> > strong as an ox, and extremely healthy!!! This is

> > unusual for a Down's Syndrome boy, most of whom

> > suffer many health problems.

> >

> > I didn't know Doc at the time, and wasn't aware of

> > organic foods, or the soy problems. As my son had a

> > dairy allergy, we substituted soy milk in this

> > formula for the dairy milk. As I say, he's doing

> > absolutely great. But we're in Europe, and the GM

> > does not seem to be a problem here, so we might have

> > been okay all along. Even so, since then I have

> > heard of other possible problems with soy, so now we

> > use our home-made almond milk.

> >

> > You don't need to worry about the syrup creating a

> > "sweet-tooth". My son has NEVER been interested in

> > sweets, and never had any until he started mixing

> > with school aged kids. And unfortunately he's with

> > his grandma every Sunday, who believed a child

> > should be eating sweets, and tried to entice him

> > frequently with sweets - so now he likes them!! :-(

> > But, it definitely wasn't caused by the syrup in the

> > formula, that's all I'm saying LOL

> >

> > BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized"

> > milk, only "homogenised".

> >

> > Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids

> > have had it, and I've only heard good reports from

> > it.

> >

> > love

> > Lisa

> > -

> > Carole Eddington

> > herbal remedies

> > Friday, January 14, 2005 1:35 AM

> > RE: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? What to feed

> > babies - Doc???

> >

> > I would not give a baby soy. There's a book on

> > juicing by Norman Walker that talks about a

> > combination of organic carrot juice and raw goat's

> > milk for babies, which sounds really good to me from

> > everything I know. I believe breast is best if the

> > mom is on a correct diet, but if that's not possible

> > . . . I wonder what Doc has to offer on this. There

> > is a great formula involving soaking barley, but it

> > uses pasteurized milk. I would use raw milk. Does

> > anyone know the formula?

> >

>

> Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.

> http://info.mail./mail_250

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural

> remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here

as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from

> list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner

and

> members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

> _____

>

January 15, 2005

Yes - when it comes to the babies we mean ANY HONEY -

NO honey before they are at least 1 year old -

it doesn't matter if you went and gathered it yourself - NO honey

before the baby turns 1!

Sorry - didn't mean to be so *loud* about it - I just want people to

realize the "honey before 1 issue" is not something to be played with.

Waggs~~

Natasha

lisa wrote:

Well, this talk about honey I would

say they are not talking about raw, organic honey. They are probably

talking about commercial honey.

Doc, what do you think??

love

Lisa

-----

Original Message -----

zengirl04

To:

herbal remedies

Sent:

Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:42 AM

Subject:

Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley Formula

Well, so much for the nutritionist. How about agave nectar, which

is natural, compalex cactus nectar?

herbal remedies ,

Deana <squeekyme@c...> wrote:

>

> HONEY NO - under any circumstances are you to give a baby honey

under

> the age of 1!

>

> Honey is the only food implicated in infant botulism. Since it is

NOT

January 15, 2005

Hi, yes I live in the U.S...Texas. I am aware of the difficulty in purchasing raw dairy because of the laws in various states. I am able to get raw dairy from a local farmer. There is a website to find local chapters who sell raw milk, and there is also a website that you can order it from...it has to come frozen though. There are loop holes to the legality of selling raw dairy in some states. IT is too bad that it is illegal in some places, and I hope that changes in the future.

Here is a website to find local chapters that sell raw dairy and how to purchase it legally in your area if at all possible:

http://www.westonaprice.org/local_chapters/local_chapters.html

Here is a website where you can order raw dairy:

http://www.mercola.com/forms/organic_pastures.htm

Tonya

zengirl04 [zengirl04] Friday, January 14, 2005 6:35 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley FormulaHi Tonya, are you in the USA? If not, you may not be aware that it is very difficult in most places in the US to get raw milk. Actually, it is illegal to sell it for human consumption. The dairies that do sell raw milk are required to label it for "animal consumption only". My closest source is 5 hours away. But, I agree that raw, unpasturized, unhomogonized milk is best for us humans.herbal remedies , "Tonya Wiersch" <tonya@w...> wrote:> Hi, I am Tonya and new to the group. I found this website very interesting> about soy. I have read many articles published by the Weston Price> Foundation which turned me away from soy. My opinion is that if a person has> a dairy allergy they can usually tolerate raw dairy (unpasteurized). I find> that pasteurized dairy gives me some problems, but I do great with raw> dairy. I think a live food is the most healthy option, because they have> live enzymes and healthy bacteria which helps the body digest.> > http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html> <http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/index.html> > > > Konstantin Freger [kfreger] > Friday, January 14, 2005 6:35 AM> herbal remedies > Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley Formula> > > > Thanks. I am afraid to stop giving my 7 months old soy> formula because I do not have a substitute for so many> ingridients it has in it. Could there be problems with> Organic Soy though?> > --- Lisa de Haas <lisa@l...> wrote:> > > Yes, this is the original Barley Formula:> > > > Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of> > muslin> > tie it loosely to allow for expansion> > place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water> > boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented> > so that steam can escape> > mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley> > water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup> > Notes: never use an aluminium cooking pot -> > stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for> > anything else anymore - only for this barley. The> > amount of syrup can be varied according to taste.> > Barley water should turn very very pink and this> > will tell you it is the right consistency. You only> > use the barley water, not the barley itself.> > > > I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly> > or you won't have much water left - it took me a few> > times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-)> > > > My son grew up on this formula, which he still drank> > as a "drink" until he was 3 1/2 years old. He's as> > strong as an ox, and extremely healthy!!! This is> > unusual for a Down's Syndrome boy, most of whom> > suffer many health problems.> > > > I didn't know Doc at the time, and wasn't aware of> > organic foods, or the soy problems. As my son had a> > dairy allergy, we substituted soy milk in this> > formula for the dairy milk. As I say, he's doing> > absolutely great. But we're in Europe, and the GM> > does not seem to be a problem here, so we might have> > been okay all along. Even so, since then I have> > heard of other possible problems with soy, so now we> > use our home-made almond milk.> > > > You don't need to worry about the syrup creating a> > "sweet-tooth". My son has NEVER been interested in> > sweets, and never had any until he started mixing> > with school aged kids. And unfortunately he's with> > his grandma every Sunday, who believed a child> > should be eating sweets, and tried to entice him> > frequently with sweets - so now he likes them!! :-(> > But, it definitely wasn't caused by the syrup in the> > formula, that's all I'm saying LOL> > > > BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized"> > milk, only "homogenised".> > > > Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids> > have had it, and I've only heard good reports from> > it.> > > > love> > Lisa> > - > > Carole Eddington > > herbal remedies > > Friday, January 14, 2005 1:35 AM> > RE: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? What to feed> > babies - Doc???> > > > > > I would not give a baby soy. There's a book on> > juicing by Norman Walker that talks about a> > combination of organic carrot juice and raw goat's> > milk for babies, which sounds really good to me from> > everything I know. I believe breast is best if the> > mom is on a correct diet, but if that's not possible> > . . . I wonder what Doc has to offer on this. There> > is a great formula involving soaking barley, but it> > uses pasteurized milk. I would use raw milk. Does> > anyone know the formula?> > > > > > > > > Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.> http://info.mail./mail_250> > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural> remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from> list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and> members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > _____ > >

January 16, 2005

According to Doctor Christopher and David Christopher the current director of the School of Natural Healing and son of Dr. Christopher, totaly raw organic honey is antibiotic and would not harbor botulism. They said that it will preserve a bee quite well- therefore, it won't contain bacteria. (The propolis is antibacterial and also natural state honey contains hydrogen peroxide) Also, they talked about if you can use it on an open wound (like a burn) it must be sterile...

Marisa

Domestic Engineer

and

Mother of 2

Elijah

Marin

Carole Eddington [caroleeddington]Saturday, January 15, 2005 2:22 AMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley Formula

I really wonder, though, Deana, if, like everything else, honey in its natural state, with all its enzymes and properties intact, wouldn’t be fine for babies. The FDA always likes to scare us with stories of food poisoning, parasites, etc., but often, those stories leave out important facts, such as other things the peope involved were doing that was wrong. I’m just wondering, that’s all. Totally raw organic honey is an amazing food.

Carole

Deana [squeekyme] Friday, January 14, 2005 5:15 PMherbal remedies Subject: Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley Formula

HONEY NO - under any circumstances are you to give a baby honey under the age of 1!Honey is the only food implicated in infant botulism. Since it is NOT essential for the nutrition of infants, parents and caregivers are reminded not to feed honey to infants less than one year of age. Honey should never be added to baby food or used on a soother to quiet a fussy or colicky baby. Concerned parents should discuss alternative methods for quieting their baby with their pediatrician or family doctor.Deanazengirl04 wrote:>>> I know it's stressful when you're worried about your baby. But, yes,> even organic soy is suspect. Part of the problem is that frequently> even organic soy is genetically modified. But, the main problem is> with the soy itself. Soy used to be grown to replenish fields that> were depleted from other products. When they cut it, it was turned> into silage for cattle (remember bovine - 4 stomachs).>> The good effects of Miso or fermented soy, such as soy sauce, became> the "ideal" in how the companies who had all this excess soy on hand> could be neatly turned into profit. The total amount of soy being> used in oriental countries is relatively small. We Americans have to> overdo everything! You'll find processed soy (flour, protein, you> name it) in almost everything now and we're getting way too much of> it. My nutritionist took me off it completely and now I that I've> studied it, I understand why.>> I suggest the Barley formula. My friend's granddaughter was raised> on it, is now 3-1/2, and is very healthy. She was given only> natural sugars, lots of fruits and vegetables, and is rarely sick -> even in daycare. However, instead of the corn syrup in the recipe> below, our holistic nutritionist said to use organic honey instead.> I believe they also used goat's milk rather than homogenized milk.> Sage loved it.>> Good luck.>>>> herbal remedies , Konstantin Freger> <kfreger> wrote:> >> > Thanks. I am afraid to stop giving my 7 months old soy> > formula because I do not have a substitute for so many> > ingridients it has in it. Could there be problems with> > Organic Soy though?> >> > --- Lisa de Haas <lisa@l...> wrote:> >> > > Yes, this is the original Barley Formula:> > >> > > Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece of> > > muslin> > > tie it loosely to allow for expansion> > > place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water> > > boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly vented> > > so that steam can escape> > > mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley> > > water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn syrup> > > Notes: never use an aluminium cooking pot -> > > stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for> > > anything else anymore - only for this barley. The> > > amount of syrup can be varied according to taste.> > > Barley water should turn very very pink and this> > > will tell you it is the right consistency. You only> > > use the barley water, not the barley itself.> > >> > > I found that the boiling has to be done VERY slowly> > > or you won't have much water left - it took me a few> > > times trying to get the hang of it on my stove :-)> > >> > > My son grew up on this formula, which he still drank> > > as a "drink" until he was 3 1/2 years old. He's as> > > strong as an ox, and extremely healthy!!! This is> > > unusual for a Down's Syndrome boy, most of whom> > > suffer many health problems.> > >> > > I didn't know Doc at the time, and wasn't aware of> > > organic foods, or the soy problems. As my son had a> > > dairy allergy, we substituted soy milk in this> > > formula for the dairy milk. As I say, he's doing> > > absolutely great. But we're in Europe, and the GM> > > does not seem to be a problem here, so we might have> > > been okay all along. Even so, since then I have> > > heard of other possible problems with soy, so now we> > > use our home-made almond milk.> > >> > > You don't need to worry about the syrup creating a> > > "sweet-tooth". My son has NEVER been interested in> > > sweets, and never had any until he started mixing> > > with school aged kids. And unfortunately he's with> > > his grandma every Sunday, who believed a child> > > should be eating sweets, and tried to entice him> > > frequently with sweets - so now he likes them!! :-(> > > But, it definitely wasn't caused by the syrup in the> > > formula, that's all I'm saying LOL> > >> > > BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say "pasteurized"> > > milk, only "homogenised".> > >> > > Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids> > > have had it, and I've only heard good reports from> > > it.> > >> > > love> > > Lisa> > > -> > > Carole Eddington> > > herbal remedies > > > Friday, January 14, 2005 1:35 AM> > > RE: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? What to feed> > > babies - Doc???> > >> > >> > > I would not give a baby soy. There's a book on> > > juicing by Norman Walker that talks about a> > > combination of organic carrot juice and raw goat's> > > milk for babies, which sounds really good to me from> > > everything I know. I believe breast is best if the> > > mom is on a correct diet, but if that's not possible> > > . . . I wonder what Doc has to offer on this. There> > > is a great formula involving soaking barley, but it> > > uses pasteurized milk. I would use raw milk. Does> > > anyone know the formula?> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more.> > http://info.mail./mail_250>>>>>>>>> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any > natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician > and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as > long as> they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any > person> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk.> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products > from list members, you are agreeing to> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and > members free of any liability.>> Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington>> ------> *

January 16, 2005

That's fantastic! You're very lucky. I was told that it was a

federal law, so that was in error. Raw milk dropped out of the

groceries here about 10-12 years ago. In Georgia and most of the

surrounding states, I'm told it is illegal to sell raw milk for

human consumption. At least I have not found any other sources that

say otherwise. If anyone knows if a source closer to Atlanta than 4-

5 hours away - I'd like to know about it. <s> Thanks, Karen

herbal remedies , Natasha Cutwright-Boyd

<hunipt@n...> wrote:

> Hmmm... In that case I am very glad I live in California. I can

get raw

> milk at the grocery 2 miles from my house.

>

> GRANTED - it is $5.99 for 1/2 gallon!!!! *swoones and drops to the

floor*

> Twelve dollars for a gallon of milk is just asinine however - they

> aren't my cows....lol

>

> Regardless the crazy price...it is still raw milk. It appeared in

the

> milk section about 2 months ago. I splurged and bought myself 1/2

gallon.

> It was sooooooo yummy!!! I was raised on raw milk and I hadn't

had a

> glass of *real* milk since I moved to CA 15 years ago...

>

> So for me...that six bucks was a small price to pay for a tiny

piece of

> heaven!!

>

> ~~~ Tash

January 16, 2005

I'll check this out. Yes, during phone calls the conversations get

a little cryptic .. " Yes, I was wondering about your raw

milk. " " Well, you know we can only sell it for animal

consumption. " " Uh, yes I understand but you know I'm fond of my

pets and wouldn't give them anything I wouldn't drink myself. " " Oh,

we concur with that sentiment, but it is the law that we tell you

our limitations. " It really gets ridiculous! <g> Thanks for the

link.

herbal remedies , " Tonya Wiersch " <tonya@w...>

wrote:

> Hi, yes I live in the U.S...Texas. I am aware of the difficulty in

> purchasing raw dairy because of the laws in various states. I am

able to get

> raw dairy from a local farmer. There is a website to find local

chapters who

> sell raw milk, and there is also a website that you can order it

from...it

> has to come frozen though. There are loop holes to the legality of

selling

> raw dairy in some states. IT is too bad that it is illegal in some

places,

> and I hope that changes in the future.

>

> Here is a website to find local chapters that sell raw dairy and

how to

> purchase it legally in your area if at all possible:

> http://www.westonaprice.org/local_chapters/local_chapters.html

> <http://www.westonaprice.org/local_chapters/local_chapters.html>

>

> Here is a website where you can order raw dairy:

> http://www.mercola.com/forms/organic_pastures.htm

>

> Tonya

>

January 16, 2005

I personally would not even risk it no matter were you go or what you

believe you will find things to support your decissions and ones that

don't. I however would never under any circumstances feed a newborn to

12 month old baby honey of any kind !

Deana

Natasha Cutwright-Boyd wrote:

> Yes - when it comes to the babies we mean ANY HONEY -

>

> NO honey before they are at least 1 year old -

>

> it doesn't matter if you went and gathered it yourself - NO honey

> before the baby turns 1!

>

> Sorry - didn't mean to be so *loud* about it - I just want people to

> realize the " honey before 1 issue " is not something to be played with.

>

> Waggs~~

> Natasha

>

> lisa <lisa wrote:

>

>> Well, this talk about honey I would say they are not talking about

>> raw, organic honey. They are probably talking about commercial honey.

>> Doc, what do you think??

>>

>> love

>> Lisa

>>

>> -

>> ** zengirl04 <zengirl04

>> *To:* herbal remedies

>> <herbal remedies >

>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:42 AM

>> *Subject:* Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley Formula

>>

>> Well, so much for the nutritionist. How about agave nectar, which

>> is natural, compalex cactus nectar?

>>

>> herbal remedies

>> <herbal remedies >, Deana <squeekyme@c

>> <squeekyme@c>...> wrote:

>> >

>> > HONEY NO - under any circumstances are you to give a baby honey

>> under

>> > the age of 1!

>> >

>> > Honey is the only food implicated in infant botulism. Since it is

>> NOT

>>

January 17, 2005

That’s what I thought! Thanks for this data, Marisa!

Carole

Brady and

Marisa

[corless]

Saturday, January 15, 2005

9:09 PM

herbal remedies

RE: Herbal Remedies -

Soy??? Barley Formula

According to

Doctor Christopher and David

Christopher the current director of the School of Natural Healing and son of Dr. Christopher,

totaly raw organic honey is antibiotic and would not harbor botulism.

They said that it will preserve a bee quite well- therefore, it won't contain

bacteria. (The propolis is antibacterial and also natural state honey

contains hydrogen peroxide) Also, they talked about if you can use it on

an open wound (like a burn) it must be sterile...

Marisa

Domestic Engineer

and

Mother of 2

Elijah

Marin

Carole Eddington

[caroleeddington]

Saturday, January 15, 2005

2:22 AM

herbal remedies

RE: Herbal Remedies -

Soy??? Barley Formula

I really wonder, though, Deana,

if, like everything else, honey in its natural state, with all its enzymes and

properties intact, wouldn’t be fine for babies. The FDA always likes to

scare us with stories of food poisoning, parasites, etc., but often, those

stories leave out important facts, such as other things the peope involved were

doing that was wrong. I’m just wondering, that’s all. Totally raw

organic honey is an amazing food.

Carole

Deana [squeekyme]

Friday, January 14, 2005 5:15 PM

herbal remedies

Re: Herbal Remedies -

Soy??? Barley Formula

HONEY NO - under any circumstances are you

to give a baby honey under

the age of 1!

Honey is the only food implicated in infant

botulism. Since it is NOT

essential for the nutrition of infants, parents

and caregivers are

reminded not to feed honey to infants less than

one year of age. Honey

should never be added to baby food or used on a

soother to quiet a fussy

or colicky baby. Concerned parents should

discuss alternative methods

for quieting their baby with their pediatrician or

family doctor.

Deana

zengirl04 wrote:

>

> I know it's stressful when you're worried

about your baby. But, yes,

> even organic soy is suspect. Part of the

problem is that frequently

> even organic soy is genetically modified.

But, the main problem is

> with the soy itself. Soy used to be

grown to replenish fields that

> were depleted from other products. When they

cut it, it was turned

> into silage for cattle (remember bovine - 4

stomachs).

>

> The good effects of Miso or fermented soy,

such as soy sauce, became

> the " ideal " in how the companies

who had all this excess soy on hand

> could be neatly turned into profit. The total

amount of soy being

> used in oriental countries is relatively

small. We Americans have to

> overdo everything! You'll find

processed soy (flour, protein, you

> name it) in almost everything now and we're

getting way too much of

> it. My nutritionist took me off it completely

and now I that I've

> studied it, I understand why.

>

> I suggest the Barley formula. My friend's

granddaughter was raised

> on it, is now 3-1/2, and is very

healthy. She was given only

> natural sugars, lots of fruits and

vegetables, and is rarely sick -

> even in daycare. However, instead of

the corn syrup in the recipe

> below, our holistic nutritionist said to use

organic honey instead.

> I believe they also used goat's milk rather

than homogenized milk.

> Sage loved it.

>

> Good luck.

>

> herbal remedies , Konstantin Freger

> <kfreger> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks. I am afraid to stop giving my 7

months old soy

> > formula because I do not have a

substitute for so many

> > ingridients it has in it. Could there be

problems with

> > Organic Soy though?

> >

> > --- Lisa de Haas

<lisa@l...> wrote:

> >

> > > Yes, this is the original Barley

Formula:

> > >

> > > Put about half a cup of whole

barley in a piece of

> > > muslin

> > > tie it loosely to allow for

expansion

> > > place it in a pot containing 4

pints of water

> > > boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with

pot slightly vented

> > > so that steam can escape

> > > mix the formula using a ratio of:

15 oz barley

> > > water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz

of corn syrup

> > > Notes: never use an aluminium

cooking pot -

> > > stainless steel is best. Do not use

this pot for

> > > anything else anymore - only for

this barley. The

> > > amount of syrup can be varied

according to taste.

> > > Barley water should turn very very

pink and this

> > > will tell you it is the right

consistency. You only

> > > use the barley water, not the

barley itself.

> > >

> > > I found that the boiling has to be

done VERY slowly

> > > or you won't have much water left -

it took me a few

> > > times trying to get the hang of it

on my stove :-)

> > >

> > > My son grew up on this formula,

which he still drank

> > > as a " drink " until he was

3 1/2 years old. He's as

> > > strong as an ox, and extremely healthy!!!

This is

> > > unusual for a Down's Syndrome boy,

most of whom

> > > suffer many health problems.

> > >

> > > I didn't know Doc at the time, and

wasn't aware of

> > > organic foods, or the soy problems.

As my son had a

> > > dairy allergy, we substituted soy

milk in this

> > > formula for the dairy milk. As I

say, he's doing

> > > absolutely great. But we're in Europe, and the GM

> > > does not seem to be a problem here,

so we might have

> > > been okay all along. Even so, since

then I have

> > > heard of other possible problems

with soy, so now we

> > > use our home-made almond milk.

> > >

> > > You don't need to worry about the

syrup creating a

> > > " sweet-tooth " . My son has

NEVER been interested in

> > > sweets, and never had any until he

started mixing

> > > with school aged kids. And

unfortunately he's with

> > > his grandma every Sunday, who

believed a child

> > > should be eating sweets, and tried

to entice him

> > > frequently with sweets - so now he

likes them!! :-(

> > > But, it definitely wasn't caused by

the syrup in the

> > > formula, that's all I'm saying LOL

> > >

> > > BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say

" pasteurized "

> > > milk, only " homogenised " .

> > >

> > > Anyhow, have fun with this formula.

Lots of kids

> > > have had it, and I've only heard

good reports from

> > > it.

> > >

> > > love

> > > Lisa

> > > ----- Original Message

-----

> > > Carole Eddington

> > > herbal remedies

> > > Friday, January

14, 2005 1:35 AM

> > > RE: Herbal

Remedies - Soy??? What to feed

> > > babies - Doc???

> > >

> > > I would not give a baby

soy. There's a book on

> > > juicing by Norman Walker

that talks about a

> > > combination of organic carrot juice

and raw goat's

> > > milk for babies, which sounds

really good to me from

> > > everything I know. I believe

breast is best if the

> > > mom is on a correct diet, but if

that's not possible

> > > . . . I wonder what Doc has to

offer on this. There

> > > is a great formula involving

soaking barley, but it

> > > uses pasteurized milk. I

would use raw milk. Does

> > > anyone know the formula?

> > >

> >

>

> >

> > Mail - now with 250MB free storage.

Learn more.

> > http://info.mail./mail_250

>

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the

following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your

physician before using any

> natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right

to be your own physician

> and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome to post here as

> long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members

are exactly that, and any

> person

> following the advice of anyone posting here

does so at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By

accepting advice or products

> from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and

hold the List Owner and

> members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington

>

> ------

> *

January 18, 2005

Absolutely.

Cooked honey destroys the antibiotic properties of honey but not necessarily the botulism spores which are the danger here.

Your all-raw honey would have self protective properties that would allow it to be used on babies. Just make sure of your source. You definitely do NOT want to use cooked honey on a baby. My kids had the all raw at a very early age with no problems whatsoever. This is not the first time I've heard of this "warning", and yet I've seen no solid science on the claim. Cooked honey is another matter.

Love,

Doc

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-447-5282Doc

-

Lisa de Haas

herbal remedies

Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:24 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley Formula

Well, this talk about honey I would say they are not talking about raw, organic honey. They are probably talking about commercial honey.

Doc, what do you think??

love

Lisa

-

zengirl04

herbal remedies

Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:42 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley Formula

Well, so much for the nutritionist. How about agave nectar, which is natural, compalex cactus nectar?herbal remedies , Deana <squeekyme@c...> wrote:> > HONEY NO - under any circumstances are you to give a baby honey under > the age of 1!> > Honey is the only food implicated in infant botulism. Since it is NOT

January 18, 2005

Dr. Shillington:

What do you think about organic baby soy formula for 7

months old., I was told I have to choose either soy

formula or dairy. There is no other formula.

Thanks.

--- " Dr. Ian Shillington " <DocShillington

wrote:

> Absolutely.

> Cooked honey destroys the antibiotic properties of

> honey but not necessarily the botulism spores which

> are the danger here.

> Your all-raw honey would have self protective

> properties that would allow it to be used on babies.

> Just make sure of your source. You definitely do

> NOT want to use cooked honey on a baby. My kids had

> the all raw at a very early age with no problems

> whatsoever. This is not the first time I've heard

> of this " warning " , and yet I've seen no solid

> science on the claim. Cooked honey is another

> matter.

> Love,

> Doc

>

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

> 727-447-5282

> Doc

> -

> Lisa de Haas

> herbal remedies

> Saturday, January 15, 2005 6:24 AM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley

> Formula

>

> Well, this talk about honey I would say they are

> not talking about raw, organic honey. They are

> probably talking about commercial honey.

> Doc, what do you think??

>

> love

> Lisa

> -

> zengirl04

> herbal remedies

> Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:42 AM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley

> Formula

>

> Well, so much for the nutritionist. How about

> agave nectar, which

> is natural, compalex cactus nectar?

>

> herbal remedies , Deana

> <squeekyme@c...> wrote:

> >

> > HONEY NO - under any circumstances are you to

> give a baby honey

> under

> > the age of 1!

> >

> > Honey is the only food implicated in infant

> botulism. Since it is

> NOT

January 21, 2005

I don't like it at all.

Soy shouldn't go anywhere near a baby let alone an adult.

The best baby formula out there is the Barley Formula that was posted a while back by another member.

It doesn't get any better. My son Bryan (currently in India with the relief effort) was raised on the stuff and makes Schwartzennegger look anemic. :-) I can't praise this formula enough.

Love,

Doc

Ian "Doc" Shillington N.D.727-447-5282Doc

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Konstantin Freger

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Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:13 AM

Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley Formula

Dr. Shillington:What do you think about organic baby soy formula for 7months old., I was told I have to choose either soyformula or dairy. There is no other formula.Thanks.

January 23, 2005

Thanks. I have a boy. So, the major source of

nutrients is homogenised milk? How different is this

from regular milk?

I guess he needs all of those and more that are in

this formula (see the link)

http://www.naturesone.com/soy-ingredients.htm

Is the one you suggest going to have all thos

ingidients?

Thanks.

--- Lisa de Haas <lisa wrote:

> Hi,

> I am assuming you are talking about a ready-made

> formula?

> If so, I have NEVER used them! Nothing can beat the

> real home-made food - you then know exactly what

> goes in them, and can ensure a healthy balance. This

> formula below was designed specially for babies, to

> give them all the nutrients they need for a growing

> a healthy body. And ensuring organic ingredients

> would make this a wonderful formula for any baby.

>

> If your child a boy or girl? Reason I ask is that

> soy has the plant-equivalent of oestrogen in it,

> which is a female hormone. So soy is definitely not

> optimum for a boy. As I said, my son was raised on

> it, but that was before I knew about this. Now he

> still eats soy yoghurt, but no other soy products -

> I simply have not found a healthier replacement for

> soy yoghurt - he can't have dairy, and hates goats

> products. But as we are in Europe, the GM issue

> should not be a problem for us here. And he just

> looooves his yoghurt! We are working on optimizing

> his diet anyhow, and I started with optimizing his

> dinner. This is now well in progress. The yoghurt

> issue will be next :-)

>

> I guess it would be up to you to decide what is best

> for your baby.

>

> love

> Lisa

> -

> Konstantin Freger

> herbal remedies

> Friday, January 14, 2005 12:34 PM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley

> Formula

>

> Thanks. I am afraid to stop giving my 7 months old

> soy

> formula because I do not have a substitute for so

> many

> ingridients it has in it. Could there be problems

> with

> Organic Soy though?

>

> --- Lisa de Haas <lisa

> wrote:

>

> > Yes, this is the original Barley Formula:

> >

> > Put about half a cup of whole barley in a piece

> of

> > muslin

> > tie it loosely to allow for expansion

> > place it in a pot containing 4 pints of water

> > boil slowly for 6 1/2 hours with pot slightly

> vented

> > so that steam can escape

> > mix the formula using a ratio of: 15 oz barley

> > water; 10 oz homogenised milk; 3 oz of corn

> syrup

> > Notes: never use an aluminium cooking pot -

> > stainless steel is best. Do not use this pot for

> > anything else anymore - only for this barley.

> The

> > amount of syrup can be varied according to

> taste.

> > Barley water should turn very very pink and this

> > will tell you it is the right consistency. You

> only

> > use the barley water, not the barley itself.

> >

> > I found that the boiling has to be done VERY

> slowly

> > or you won't have much water left - it took me a

> few

> > times trying to get the hang of it on my stove

> :-)

> >

> > My son grew up on this formula, which he still

> drank

> > as a " drink " until he was 3 1/2 years old. He's

> as

> > strong as an ox, and extremely healthy!!! This

> is

> > unusual for a Down's Syndrome boy, most of whom

> > suffer many health problems.

> >

> > I didn't know Doc at the time, and wasn't aware

> of

> > organic foods, or the soy problems. As my son

> had a

> > dairy allergy, we substituted soy milk in this

> > formula for the dairy milk. As I say, he's doing

> > absolutely great. But we're in Europe, and the

> GM

> > does not seem to be a problem here, so we might

> have

> > been okay all along. Even so, since then I have

> > heard of other possible problems with soy, so

> now we

> > use our home-made almond milk.

> >

> > You don't need to worry about the syrup creating

> a

> > " sweet-tooth " . My son has NEVER been interested

> in

> > sweets, and never had any until he started

> mixing

> > with school aged kids. And unfortunately he's

> with

> > his grandma every Sunday, who believed a child

> > should be eating sweets, and tried to entice him

> > frequently with sweets - so now he likes them!!

> :-(

> > But, it definitely wasn't caused by the syrup in

> the

> > formula, that's all I'm saying LOL

> >

> > BTW, as you can see, it doesn't say

> " pasteurized "

> > milk, only " homogenised " .

> >

> > Anyhow, have fun with this formula. Lots of kids

> > have had it, and I've only heard good reports

> from

> > it.

> >

> > love

> > Lisa

> > -

> > Carole Eddington

> > herbal remedies

> > Friday, January 14, 2005 1:35 AM

> > RE: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? What to

> feed

> > babies - Doc???

> >

> > I would not give a baby soy. There's a book

> on

> > juicing by Norman Walker that talks about a

> > combination of organic carrot juice and raw

> goat's

> > milk for babies, which sounds really good to me

> from

> > everything I know. I believe breast is best if

> the

> > mom is on a correct diet, but if that's not

> possible

> > . . . I wonder what Doc has to offer on this.

> There

> > is a great formula involving soaking barley, but

> it

> > uses pasteurized milk. I would use raw milk.

> Does

> > anyone know the formula?

> >

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January 23, 2005

> Hello:

>

> I appreciate your effort in trying to help me

> avoid

> soy. I think I am going to feed dairy-based

> formula to

> my son for the next 4 months until he is one year

> old.

>

> I have a related question amount Maximum Milk

> Thistle,

> the product that contains phosphatidylcholine, a

> key

> component of lecithin. It sounds extremely

> effective

> in protecting liver, but is produced from soy

> beans.

> Is there a danger in it?

>

> Thanks.

--- " Dr. Ian Shillington " <DocShillington

wrote:

> I don't like it at all.

> Soy shouldn't go anywhere near a baby let alone an

> adult.

> The best baby formula out there is the Barley

> Formula that was posted a while back by another

> member.

> It doesn't get any better. My son Bryan (currently

> in India with the relief effort) was raised on the

> stuff and makes Schwartzennegger look anemic. :-)

> I can't praise this formula enough.

> Love,

> Doc

>

> Ian " Doc " Shillington N.D.

> 727-447-5282

> Doc

> -

> Konstantin Freger

> herbal remedies

> Tuesday, January 18, 2005 7:13 AM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - Soy??? Barley

> Formula

>

> Dr. Shillington:

>

> What do you think about organic baby soy formula

> for 7

> months old., I was told I have to choose either

> soy

> formula or dairy. There is no other formula.

>

> Thanks.

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