Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Kelli, My husband and I are planning to do Doc’s whole cleanse, but not at the same time. I will go first – sometime after our company leaves, which is next week. My husband will cleanse after I finish. I’ve seen you respond to a couple of people about what to do if the cost is prohibitive. Approximately how much of the ingredients will I need for each cleanse? I’ve read the recipe – 1 part this, 1 part that, 1.5 parts this, etc. But how many ounces would that one part need to be to last for the whole cleanse? I just about fell over when I saw the $80 per pound for Spirulina at my local health food store. Also, can you recommend a good source for vegan recipes, as I’ve not cooked vegan before and I want to stay true to the cleanse. We have friends who have a few chickens (free range, no hormones or antibiotics). Would this be an acceptable source for the raw organic eggs? And the last question I have for right now is can I use a purchased Echinacea tincture for the cleanse, or do I need to make the Echinacea Plus first? I’m sure there will be many more questions before I start. Thanks so much for your help. Have a Joyous Day! Kelli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2005 Report Share Posted January 3, 2005 Hi Kelli! You'll both be SOOO glad that you did the cleanse! Regarding the cleanse products/ingredients, yes, the recipes are going to make more than you need. I don't have time to go through the recipes right now to tell you how much you can cut them by, but maybe this will help - 4 oz bottles of Total Tonic and Echinacea Plus will get me easily through the cleanse. (I personally wouldn't trust an echinacea tincture purchased at a healthfood store. I've never found any that are very potent.) 14 oz of Total Nutrition is enough for a month (for one person). If you're used to eating a lot of animal protein, you may need more of the Total Nutrition drinks. Helped for my husband. 2 oz of the liver/gallbladder and kidney/bladder formula is enough for a couple cleanses at least. You'll need 13 Tbsp of each of the liver/gallbladder and kidney/bladder teas. 2 oz of the cayenne tincture is MORE THAN ENOUGH for a few cleanses! LOL! I'm sure I've probably missed some things, but that should start you off good. If you're still having trouble with the cleanse products you'll need can give Doc a call and he can help you find them. In regards to a vegan diet, your friends' chickens sound like they'll produce some good eggs for you. These should only be used in the Total Nutrition drink, however. No eggs otherwise on the cleanse. My strongest recommendation for you would be to learn to sprout, especially almonds and winter wheat. Essentially the diet is just fruits and veggies, but when you sprout nuts, beans and rice they become a veggie! Cool, huh?! You can really get sick of munching on carrot sticks after a couple hours, but with a wide variety of fruits and veggies available, and then sprouting, you'll have a large variety of things you can eat. Now, it's ideal to do the whole cleanse eating only raw fruits and veggies, but if you find that impossible, it is OK to have cooked veggies during the colon cleanse. Then you can still have potatoes (with some organic, olive-oil based salad dressing instead of butter, for example), steamed broccoli, etc. There are also various sprouted grain products from Ezekiel - breads, tortillas, pita pockets, which will give you some variety. You can pick up vegetarian cookbooks at the library and there will be a lot of good salad recipes that you can work from, probably. Just stay away from any that have dairy products in them. Another suggestion is to call Doc's office and talk with Valorie. She is a WEALTH of info on the vegan diet!! OK, hope this helps. Let me know when you start! This is exciting!! Best, Kelli Kelli [kelli] Wednesday, December 29, 2004 2:52 PMherbal remedies Subject: Herbal Remedies - cleanse questions Kelli, My husband and I are planning to do Doc’s whole cleanse, but not at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Kelli, Thanks so much for the information on my cleanse questions. I have found a source where the cost of Spirulina isn’t as shocking as it was at my healthfood store. I understand about the eggs only being used in the TN drink (I’m really going to be committed to do this – makes my stomach turn thinking about it though). I probably won’t be doing the cleanse until February now, so that I can make the Echinacea tincture next Monday. Should I make a plain Echinacea tincture or should it be the Echinacea Plus formula from the files? (btw – I’ve made tinctures before and have several herbals with their own ‘unique’ measurements, so at least *this* part is not new territory for me.) I’ve sprouted wheat a couple of times before, but almost every day I sprout a mix of alfalfa, radish and clover. I have Ann Wigmore’s book on sprouting – I’ll pull that out again before starting. I’ve listened to Doc’s lecture and the sprouting makes sense to me. Is it okay to sprout wheat and then dry it (low temperature – under 100 degrees), then freeze it until it would be needed to make bread or whatever? I have a grain mill and I just cannot imagine putting moist grain in there without it getting all gummed up. I’m asking more from a general information standpoint on this – not specifically for the cleanse. I read on another website: “Soaking, fermenting, or sprouting the grain before cooking or baking will neutralize the phytic acid, releasing nutrients for absorption.” They recommend soaking whole grain flour in an acid medium like buttermilk, yogurt or other cultured milk, or water with whey, lemon juice or vinegar added for a minimum of 7 and up to 24 hours, except for oats which they say should be soaked for 48 hours as it is the highest in phylates. Do you know anything about this? If this is a viable option, I’m probably more likely to do this for baked goods, as there are fewer steps involved, though both take quite a bit of pre planning. (Again my questions here are geared for long term dietary changes, not merely the cleanse.) Okay, back to cleanse questions. In the files Doc says this is strictly a vegan diet. Some of the vegan cookbooks I’ve gotten from the library (thanks for the great idea!!) say that to be truly vegan you cannot even have honey. Is what Doc is referring to meaning no meat, eggs, and dairy, or is his cleanse vegan in the strictest sense of the word? I think that’s it for now. I’m sure I’ll have more question. Thanks for you gracious helping heart. Have a Joyous Day! Kelli Besides our names in common, we both have 10 year old daughters. Mine loves to try to make recipes healthier each time we make them. Her enthusiasm keeps me going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Hi Kelli, If the eggs in the TN drink turn your stomach to think about it, then try it without at first. I have *NEVER* had the TN with the eggs. I just can't bring myself to do it. My husband, on the other hand, had to do it during his first cleanse because he had been too much of a carnivore and really needed the extra protein until his body adjusted to the new way of eating. He rarely, if ever, puts eggs in his TN anymore, and we eat very little meat. On the echinacea tincture, I would highly recommend the Echinacea Plus formula. The garlic and cayenne really make it more potent. If you already have an echinacea tincture without that, though, you can surely use that. The point of the echinacea is to help from going into a healing crisis. Either way, I wouldn't wait to make the tincture. The longer you can let it stew, the more potent it's going to be. Sounds like you're a pro on the sprouting!! You go girl! LOL! I don't know anything about your phytic acid question. Another research project! LOL! Just strictly per the information that I have, the purpose of sprouting (from Doc's lecture) is to get rid of the enzyme inhibitors. Since plants normally sprout with water, and not buttermilk, I think that would be best! For making your own flour, I think you have the process down - sprout the wheat, dry it at less than 115F (less than 100F would be better, of course, but it doesn't really matter since you'll be cooking it in the bread later) and then grind. The cleanse is vegan in the sense that, other than the eggs in the TN drink, you eat only fruits and veggies. Otherwise, there's no meat, no dairy. Honey, I believe, is allowed, although since it is a sugar, I would minimize it. The flush drink on the 4th week (kidney/bladder) also allows for some maple syrup, but I try and go without that as well. It sounds like you're going to do great on the cleanse! You seem very determined! That's wonderful! I have met very few "Kelli's" so it's nice to know you! What is your daughter's name? My daughter is Megan. She does not try to make recipes healthier, though. She thinks that my husband and I are VERY ODD for our diets, for the most part, anyway. Occassionally she'll think it's a good thing, but that's only when she's thinking that she wants us to hang around for a long time! LOL! All the best, Kelli Kelli [kelli] Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:44 PMherbal remedies Subject: RE: Herbal Remedies - cleanse questions Kelli, Thanks so much for the information on my cleanse questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 6, 2005 Report Share Posted January 6, 2005 Kelli, I've never had anyone tell me that the body needs to gradually adjust to less protein ... why is this or rather, how does the body react when the diet is changed quickly? Karen herbal remedies , " Kelli Bever " <kelli@c...> wrote: > Hi Kelli, > > If the eggs in the TN drink turn your stomach to think about it, then > try it without at first. I have *NEVER* had the TN with the eggs. I just > can't bring myself to do it. My husband, on the other hand, had to do it > during his first cleanse because he had been too much of a carnivore and > really needed the extra protein until his body adjusted to the new way > of eating. He rarely, if ever, puts eggs in his TN anymore, and we eat > very little meat. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2005 Report Share Posted January 7, 2005 Hi Karen, I don't have any references or data on this for you other than my own personal experience and the anecdotes of my husband - we both felt quite weak when we started our first cleanse, going from the Standard American Diet to an all raw, organic, vegan diet. It was quite a shock! The weak feeling that I would get was similar to how I used to feel when I hadn't eaten for too long - low blood sugar. Now, I eat mostly raw vegan, some cooked, some meat/dairy (but only organic) and my body LOVES it! When I eat a fully cooked meal, especially one heavy with meat/dairy, I feel HORRIBLE - like I've swallowed a bag of concrete! I think everyone is different. It probably has to do with how good your diet has been overall, how old you are (toxic load the body has accumulated), how drastic the dietary change is, etc, etc. Kelli | | zengirl04 [zengirl04] | Thursday, January 06, 2005 3:10 PM | herbal remedies | Re: Herbal Remedies - cleanse questions | | Kelli, | | I've never had anyone tell me that the body needs to gradually | adjust to less protein ... why is this or rather, how does the body | react when the diet is changed quickly? | | Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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