fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain

[Guest guest]

Hi.... My opinion is that this is not a disease at all but symptoms of a

toxic body . The ultimate handling is a whole body cleanse and diet

changes.Get Doc's tape if you haven't already , and listen to it . You can

consult with Doc after that .

You should be taking Total Nutrition , Panther Piss ,Cal - Calm Tea and

Vitamin E right now . The tape will lead you to some changes in diet . And

be sure to go through our files . There is alot of data in there . Hope this

helps...Mary O

-

" yannnubbins21 " <yannnubbins21

<herbal remedies >

Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:12 PM

Herbal Remedies - anyone know anything strong for pain

 

 

>

>

>

> In addition to insomnia, I have fibromyalgia in my back and arms. It

> is inconsistent but very painful when it occurs. It is a disease that

> doctors have researched very little I suppose, affecting the muscles

> and connective tissues. Nothing has worked other than taking some

> sleeping medicine and sleeping it off, but I can't always do that.

> Any input on this would be great.

[Guest guest]

Fibromyalgia is caused by nerve damage; the pain that is felt is called neuropathic pain. The symptoms of this condition are similar to M.E. and if you go to the web sites that deal with M.E. You will find suggestions also for Fibromyalgia to help with pain as well as sleep problems.

The websites give quite a lot of information

 

I have this problem as well as M.E. because I have 2 spinal injuries; the nerve damage that was caused at that time has resulted in Fibromyalgia. The treatment that I have been given is unfortunately NOT herbal because herbal medicine does not work for me in this field, however below is a list of medication that is helpful; it reduces the pain but does not necessarily remove it.

 

Pain relief: I take one tablet EACH of the top 2 up to 8 times per day.

 

Dihydrocodeine up to 8 tablets per day

Co-Proxamol up to 8 tablets per day

Neurotin (Gabapentin) 300 mg 1 capsules x 2 at night (split doses)

Neurotin (Gabapentin) 100 mg 2 capsules x 2 day time (split doses)

Use the items below to help reduce pain:These are normally found in muscle but people with Fibromyalgia as well as those with M.E. have difficulty in assimilation of nutrients; the pain is because the muscles are tired.

 

Co-enzyme Q10 up to 150 mg per day

Creatine capsules 700 mg 1 capsule x 2 daily

Amino Acids 1500 mg 1 tablet x 2 daily up to 6 tablets per day CAN be taken but I do not recommend that dose as this is supposed to be for athletes to use after work-outs. However it is up to you to see what works

Relaxants: - These are also an important aid to pain relief.

 

Robaxin: I take up to 3 tablets per night i.e. 1 tablet x 3 (split doses)

Baclofen: I take up to 3 tablets per day (if necessary) i.e. 1 tablet x 3 (split doses)

Diazapam 5 mg. when nothing else works.

NB: Muscular relaxants are helpful but you need to USE all muscles otherwise they will get weaker

 

I hope that this is helpful

 

 

 

Marion

 

--I --

 

 

herbal remedies

12/10/04 03:45:34

herbal remedies

Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain

Hi.... My opinion is that this is not a disease at all but symptoms of atoxic body . The ultimate handling is a whole body cleanse and dietchanges.Get Doc's tape if you haven't already , and listen to it . You canconsult with Doc after that .You should be taking Total Nutrition , Panther Piss ,Cal - Calm Tea andVitamin E right now . The tape will lead you to some changes in diet . Andbe sure to go through our files . There is alot of data in there . Hope thishelps...Mary O- "yannnubbins21" <yannnubbins21<herbal remedies >Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:12 PMHerbal Remedies - anyone know anything strong for pain>>>> In addition to insomnia, I have fibromyalgia in my back and arms. It> is inconsistent but very painful when it occurs. It is a disease that> doctors have researched very little I suppose, affecting the muscles> and connective tissues. Nothing has worked other than taking some> sleeping medicine and sleeping it off, but I can't always do that.> Any input on this would be great.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

[Guest guest]

Marion,

 

Absolutely NO recommendations for allopathic medicine allowed on this list! Please refrain from doing so.

 

If herbal hasn't worked for you, then you haven't done all. You would need to do a Full Body Cleanse, improve your nutrition and exercise for starters. I'm sure Doc could give you a full program that would CURE you!

 

love

Lisa de Haas

Senior Moderator

 

 

-

Marion Ghosh

herbal remedies

Friday, December 10, 2004 5:48 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain

 

 

 

 

Fibromyalgia is caused by nerve damage; the pain that is felt is called neuropathic pain. The symptoms of this condition are similar to M.E. and if you go to the web sites that deal with M.E. You will find suggestions also for Fibromyalgia to help with pain as well as sleep problems.

The websites give quite a lot of information

 

I have this problem as well as M.E. because I have 2 spinal injuries; the nerve damage that was caused at that time has resulted in Fibromyalgia. The treatment that I have been given is unfortunately NOT herbal because herbal medicine does not work for me in this field, however below is a list of medication that is helpful; it reduces the pain but does not necessarily remove it.

 

Pain relief: I take one tablet EACH of the top 2 up to 8 times per day.

 

Dihydrocodeine up to 8 tablets per day Co-Proxamol up to 8 tablets per day Neurotin (Gabapentin) 300 mg 1 capsules x 2 at night (split doses) Neurotin (Gabapentin) 100 mg 2 capsules x 2 day time (split doses)

Use the items below to help reduce pain:These are normally found in muscle but people with Fibromyalgia as well as those with M.E. have difficulty in assimilation of nutrients; the pain is because the muscles are tired.

 

Co-enzyme Q10 up to 150 mg per day Creatine capsules 700 mg 1 capsule x 2 daily Amino Acids 1500 mg 1 tablet x 2 daily up to 6 tablets per day CAN be taken but I do not recommend that dose as this is supposed to be for athletes to use after work-outs. However it is up to you to see what works

Relaxants: - These are also an important aid to pain relief.

 

Robaxin: I take up to 3 tablets per night i.e. 1 tablet x 3 (split doses) Baclofen: I take up to 3 tablets per day (if necessary) i.e. 1 tablet x 3 (split doses) Diazapam 5 mg. when nothing else works.

NB: Muscular relaxants are helpful but you need to USE all muscles otherwise they will get weaker

 

I hope that this is helpful

 

 

 

Marion

 

--I --

 

 

herbal remedies

12/10/04 03:45:34

herbal remedies

Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain

Hi.... My opinion is that this is not a disease at all but symptoms of atoxic body . The ultimate handling is a whole body cleanse and dietchanges.Get Doc's tape if you haven't already , and listen to it . You canconsult with Doc after that .You should be taking Total Nutrition , Panther Piss ,Cal - Calm Tea andVitamin E right now . The tape will lead you to some changes in diet . Andbe sure to go through our files . There is alot of data in there . Hope thishelps...Mary O- "yannnubbins21" <yannnubbins21<herbal remedies >Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:12 PMHerbal Remedies - anyone know anything strong for pain>>>> In addition to insomnia, I have fibromyalgia in my back and arms. It> is inconsistent but very painful when it occurs. It is a disease that> doctors have researched very little I suppose, affecting the muscles> and connective tissues. Nothing has worked other than taking some> sleeping medicine and sleeping it off, but I can't always do that.> Any input on this would be great.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Hi Lisa

 

I apologise if I have contravened the groups ideals

 

However there are some of us for whom pain relief and sleep problems cannot be dealt with via herbal medicine.

 

I am not alone in this; my son's fiancee has been an insomniac for most of her life and NOTHING helps; she has tried everything that is available in Britain in her search for a solution.

 

I am a wheelchair user; exercise is impossible - even passive exercise leaves me in so much pain that I literally scream so that I HAVE to take narcotics because NO herbal medications have worked for me either for pain control OR sleep - both of which are essential if I am to have some quality of life.

 

I cannot do many things that are 'normal' for most people due so many medical conditions that it is like a hypochondriacs dictionary - sadly I wish it was so.

 

What soothes one thing sets of an impossible cycle of inflammation in another area. I DO everything in my power to balance things out but I am sorely limited

 

I do watch my diet very rigorously and add supplements including: -

 

 

Co-enzyme Q10 up to 150 mg per day (aid muscular pain)

 

Creatine capsules 700 mg 1 capsule x 2 daily

Amino Acids 1500 mg 1 tablet x 2 daily up to 6 tablets per day CAN be taken but I do not recommend that dose as this is supposed to be for athletes to use after work-outs. However it is up to you to see what works

 

mega B vit. supplements besides Calcium, magnesium & zinc to calm the system

 

Lavender oil to aid relaxation but this is often not helpful

 

My vitamin and mineral supplements this month was in excess of $380 U.S which for me on a very limited income is an absolute fortune as I have to pay for my care as well as the mortgage etc.

 

There is NO help available except that which I have found for myself - the MD's can only keep me comfortable. In this statement I am NOT being negative but have come to an acceptance of what is and is not possible for me. I have been ill for 36 years and physically disabled for more than 20 of them.

 

Just like a 'stroke' victim, nerve damage cannot be healed if it is not treated; I was not treated for 27 years because the MD's would not admit that I had legitimate problems even though the consultant physicians stated that I DO have a problem. It took the MD's a further 3 years before they took notice of the consultants by which time the damage was done and the disabilities were irreversible.

 

 

 

Marion

----

 

 

herbal remedies

12/10/04 19:26:39

herbal remedies

Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain

 

Marion,

 

Absolutely NO recommendations for allopathic medicine allowed on this list! Please refrain from doing so.

 

If herbal hasn't worked for you, then you haven't done all. You would need to do a Full Body Cleanse, improve your nutrition and exercise for starters. I'm sure Doc could give you a full program that would CURE you!

 

love

Lisa de Haas

Senior Moderator

 

 

-

Marion Ghosh

herbal remedies

Friday, December 10, 2004 5:48 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain

 

 

 

 

 

Fibromyalgia is caused by nerve damage; the pain that is felt is called neuropathic pain. The symptoms of this condition are similar to M.E. and if you go to the web sites that deal with M.E. You will find suggestions also for Fibromyalgia to help with pain as well as sleep problems.

The websites give quite a lot of information

 

I have this problem as well as M.E. because I have 2 spinal injuries; the nerve damage that was caused at that time has resulted in Fibromyalgia. The treatment that I have been given is unfortunately NOT herbal because herbal medicine does not work for me in this field, however below is a list of medication that is helpful; it reduces the pain but does not necessarily remove it.

 

Pain relief: I take one tablet EACH of the top 2 up to 8 times per day.

 

Dihydrocodeine up to 8 tablets per day Co-Proxamol up to 8 tablets per day Neurotin (Gabapentin) 300 mg 1 capsules x 2 at night (split doses) Neurotin (Gabapentin) 100 mg 2 capsules x 2 day time (split doses)

Use the items below to help reduce pain:These are normally found in muscle but people with Fibromyalgia as well as those with M.E. have difficulty in assimilation of nutrients; the pain is because the muscles are tired.

 

Co-enzyme Q10 up to 150 mg per day Creatine capsules 700 mg 1 capsule x 2 daily Amino Acids 1500 mg 1 tablet x 2 daily up to 6 tablets per day CAN be taken but I do not recommend that dose as this is supposed to be for athletes to use after work-outs. However it is up to you to see what works

Relaxants: - These are also an important aid to pain relief.

 

Robaxin: I take up to 3 tablets per night i.e. 1 tablet x 3 (split doses) Baclofen: I take up to 3 tablets per day (if necessary) i.e. 1 tablet x 3 (split doses) Diazapam 5 mg. when nothing else works.

NB: Muscular relaxants are helpful but you need to USE all muscles otherwise they will get weaker

 

I hope that this is helpful

 

 

 

Marion

 

--I --

 

 

herbal remedies

12/10/04 03:45:34

herbal remedies

Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain

Hi.... My opinion is that this is not a disease at all but symptoms of atoxic body . The ultimate handling is a whole body cleanse and dietchanges.Get Doc's tape if you haven't already , and listen to it . You canconsult with Doc after that .You should be taking Total Nutrition , Panther Piss ,Cal - Calm Tea andVitamin E right now . The tape will lead you to some changes in diet . Andbe sure to go through our files . There is alot of data in there . Hope thishelps...Mary O- "yannnubbins21" <yannnubbins21<herbal remedies >Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:12 PMHerbal Remedies - anyone know anything strong for pain>>>> In addition to insomnia, I have fibromyalgia in my back and arms. It> is inconsistent but very painful when it occurs. It is a disease that> doctors have researched very little I suppose, affecting the muscles> and connective tissues. Nothing has worked other than taking some> sleeping medicine and sleeping it off, but I can't always do that.> Any input on this would be great.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Marion,

 

Thanks for your message:-)

 

Some body conditions require a total change of lifestyle, not just taking herbs. If exercise is impossible, you can still do the Total Body Cleanse, get onto a complete organic diet, avoid all foods with enzyme inhibitors, and ensure a balanced acid/alkaloid diet. I am certain that you would see a major improvement in your health if you did all these things, even if the nerve damage itself would not completely heal (and I bet that even that could show some healing! It might not be easy, but I'm sure it could be done.

 

I live in the UK also, so am aware of the cost of these things. I've had to improve things gradually, simply due to the cost. But those improvements have meant a steady improvement in my health and livingness, so it's definitely been worth the money.

 

If you haven't done so yet, get Doc's tape and listen to it. Then call him for a consultation. I'm sure he could help you!

 

love

Lisa

 

-

Marion Ghosh

herbal remedies

Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:44 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain

 

 

 

 

Hi Lisa

 

I apologise if I have contravened the groups ideals

 

However there are some of us for whom pain relief and sleep problems cannot be dealt with via herbal medicine.

 

I am not alone in this; my son's fiancee has been an insomniac for most of her life and NOTHING helps; she has tried everything that is available in Britain in her search for a solution.

 

I am a wheelchair user; exercise is impossible - even passive exercise leaves me in so much pain that I literally scream so that I HAVE to take narcotics because NO herbal medications have worked for me either for pain control OR sleep - both of which are essential if I am to have some quality of life.

 

I cannot do many things that are 'normal' for most people due so many medical conditions that it is like a hypochondriacs dictionary - sadly I wish it was so.

 

What soothes one thing sets of an impossible cycle of inflammation in another area. I DO everything in my power to balance things out but I am sorely limited

 

I do watch my diet very rigorously and add supplements including: -

 

 

Co-enzyme Q10 up to 150 mg per day (aid muscular pain)

Creatine capsules 700 mg 1 capsule x 2 daily

Amino Acids 1500 mg 1 tablet x 2 daily up to 6 tablets per day CAN be taken but I do not recommend that dose as this is supposed to be for athletes to use after work-outs. However it is up to you to see what works

mega B vit. supplements besides Calcium, magnesium & zinc to calm the system

Lavender oil to aid relaxation but this is often not helpful

 

My vitamin and mineral supplements this month was in excess of $380 U.S which for me on a very limited income is an absolute fortune as I have to pay for my care as well as the mortgage etc.

 

There is NO help available except that which I have found for myself - the MD's can only keep me comfortable. In this statement I am NOT being negative but have come to an acceptance of what is and is not possible for me. I have been ill for 36 years and physically disabled for more than 20 of them.

 

Just like a 'stroke' victim, nerve damage cannot be healed if it is not treated; I was not treated for 27 years because the MD's would not admit that I had legitimate problems even though the consultant physicians stated that I DO have a problem. It took the MD's a further 3 years before they took notice of the consultants by which time the damage was done and the disabilities were irreversible.

 

 

 

Marion

----

 

 

herbal remedies

12/10/04 19:26:39

herbal remedies

Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain

 

Marion,

 

Absolutely NO recommendations for allopathic medicine allowed on this list! Please refrain from doing so.

 

If herbal hasn't worked for you, then you haven't done all. You would need to do a Full Body Cleanse, improve your nutrition and exercise for starters. I'm sure Doc could give you a full program that would CURE you!

 

love

Lisa de Haas

Senior Moderator

 

 

-

Marion Ghosh

herbal remedies

Friday, December 10, 2004 5:48 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain

 

 

 

 

 

Fibromyalgia is caused by nerve damage; the pain that is felt is called neuropathic pain. The symptoms of this condition are similar to M.E. and if you go to the web sites that deal with M.E. You will find suggestions also for Fibromyalgia to help with pain as well as sleep problems.

The websites give quite a lot of information

 

I have this problem as well as M.E. because I have 2 spinal injuries; the nerve damage that was caused at that time has resulted in Fibromyalgia. The treatment that I have been given is unfortunately NOT herbal because herbal medicine does not work for me in this field, however below is a list of medication that is helpful; it reduces the pain but does not necessarily remove it.

 

Pain relief: I take one tablet EACH of the top 2 up to 8 times per day.

 

Dihydrocodeine up to 8 tablets per day Co-Proxamol up to 8 tablets per day Neurotin (Gabapentin) 300 mg 1 capsules x 2 at night (split doses) Neurotin (Gabapentin) 100 mg 2 capsules x 2 day time (split doses)

Use the items below to help reduce pain:These are normally found in muscle but people with Fibromyalgia as well as those with M.E. have difficulty in assimilation of nutrients; the pain is because the muscles are tired.

 

Co-enzyme Q10 up to 150 mg per day Creatine capsules 700 mg 1 capsule x 2 daily Amino Acids 1500 mg 1 tablet x 2 daily up to 6 tablets per day CAN be taken but I do not recommend that dose as this is supposed to be for athletes to use after work-outs. However it is up to you to see what works

Relaxants: - These are also an important aid to pain relief.

 

Robaxin: I take up to 3 tablets per night i.e. 1 tablet x 3 (split doses) Baclofen: I take up to 3 tablets per day (if necessary) i.e. 1 tablet x 3 (split doses) Diazapam 5 mg. when nothing else works.

NB: Muscular relaxants are helpful but you need to USE all muscles otherwise they will get weaker

 

I hope that this is helpful

 

 

 

Marion

 

--I --

 

 

herbal remedies

12/10/04 03:45:34

herbal remedies

Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain

Hi.... My opinion is that this is not a disease at all but symptoms of atoxic body . The ultimate handling is a whole body cleanse and dietchanges.Get Doc's tape if you haven't already , and listen to it . You canconsult with Doc after that .You should be taking Total Nutrition , Panther Piss ,Cal - Calm Tea andVitamin E right now . The tape will lead you to some changes in diet . Andbe sure to go through our files . There is alot of data in there . Hope thishelps...Mary O- "yannnubbins21" <yannnubbins21<herbal remedies >Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:12 PMHerbal Remedies - anyone know anything strong for pain>>>> In addition to insomnia, I have fibromyalgia in my back and arms. It> is inconsistent but very painful when it occurs. It is a disease that> doctors have researched very little I suppose, affecting the muscles> and connective tissues. Nothing has worked other than taking some> sleeping medicine and sleeping it off, but I can't always do that.> Any input on this would be great.Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

[Guest guest]

Lisa,

 

I read Doc's article about grains, seed, beans having enzyme

inhibitors if they aren't sprouted. Are there other foods that have

enzyme inhibitors as well?

 

Thanks,

Karen

 

 

herbal remedies , " Lisa de Haas " <lisa@l...>

wrote:

> Hello Marion,

>

> Thanks for your message:-)

>

> Some body conditions require a total change of lifestyle, not just

taking herbs. If exercise is impossible, you can still do the Total

Body Cleanse, get onto a complete organic diet, avoid all foods with

enzyme inhibitors, and ensure a balanced acid/alkaloid diet. I am

certain that you would see a major improvement in your health if you

did all these things, even if the nerve damage itself would not

completely heal (and I bet that even that could show some healing!

It might not be easy, but I'm sure it could be done.

>

> I live in the UK also, so am aware of the cost of these things.

I've had to improve things gradually, simply due to the cost. But

those improvements have meant a steady improvement in my health and

livingness, so it's definitely been worth the money.

>

> If you haven't done so yet, get Doc's tape and listen to it. Then

call him for a consultation. I'm sure he could help you!

>

> love

> Lisa

> -

> Marion Ghosh

> herbal remedies

> Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:44 PM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know

anything strong for pain

>

>

> Hi Lisa

>

> I apologise if I have contravened the groups ideals

>

> However there are some of us for whom pain relief and

sleep problems cannot be dealt with via herbal medicine.

>

> I am not alone in this; my son's fiancee has been an

insomniac for most of her life and NOTHING helps; she has tried

everything that is available in Britain in her search for a solution.

>

> I am a wheelchair user; exercise is impossible - even

passive exercise leaves me in so much pain that I literally scream

so that I HAVE to take narcotics because NO herbal medications have

worked for me either for pain control OR sleep - both of which are

essential if I am to have some quality of life.

>

> I cannot do many things that are 'normal' for most people

due so many medical conditions that it is like a hypochondriacs

dictionary - sadly I wish it was so.

>

> What soothes one thing sets of an impossible cycle of

inflammation in another area. I DO everything in my power to balance

things out but I am sorely limited

>

> I do watch my diet very rigorously and add supplements

including: -

>

> a.. Co-enzyme Q10 up to 150 mg per day (aid muscular pain)

> a..

> a.. Creatine capsules 700 mg 1 capsule x 2 daily

> a..

> a.. Amino Acids 1500 mg 1 tablet x 2 daily up to 6 tablets

per day CAN be taken but I do not recommend that dose as this is

supposed to be for athletes to use after work-outs. However it is up

to you to see what works

> a..

> a.. mega B vit. supplements besides Calcium, magnesium &

zinc to calm the system

> a..

> a.. Lavender oil to aid relaxation but this is often not

helpful

>

> My vitamin and mineral supplements this month was in

excess of $380 U.S which for me on a very limited income is an

absolute fortune as I have to pay for my care as well as the

mortgage etc.

>

> There is NO help available except that which I have found

for myself - the MD's can only keep me comfortable. In this

statement I am NOT being negative but have come to an acceptance of

what is and is not possible for me. I have been ill for 36 years and

physically disabled for more than 20 of them.

>

> Just like a 'stroke' victim, nerve damage cannot be healed

if it is not treated; I was not treated for 27 years because the

MD's would not admit that I had legitimate problems even though the

consultant physicians stated that I DO have a problem. It took the

MD's a further 3 years before they took notice of the consultants by

which time the damage was done and the disabilities were

irreversible.

>

>

>

> Marion

> ----

>

> herbal remedies

> 12/10/04 19:26:39

> herbal remedies

> Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know

anything strong for pain

>

> Marion,

>

> Absolutely NO recommendations for allopathic medicine

allowed on this list! Please refrain from doing so.

>

> If herbal hasn't worked for you, then you haven't done

all. You would need to do a Full Body Cleanse, improve your

nutrition and exercise for starters. I'm sure Doc could give you a

full program that would CURE you!

>

> love

> Lisa de Haas

> Senior Moderator

>

> -

> Marion Ghosh

> herbal remedies

> Friday, December 10, 2004 5:48 PM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know

anything strong for pain

>

>

> Fibromyalgia is caused by nerve damage; the pain

that is felt is called neuropathic pain. The symptoms of this

condition are similar to M.E. and if you go to the web sites that

deal with M.E. You will find suggestions also for Fibromyalgia to

help with pain as well as sleep problems.

> The websites give quite a lot of information

>

> I have this problem as well as M.E. because I have 2

spinal injuries; the nerve damage that was caused at that time has

resulted in Fibromyalgia. The treatment that I have been given is

unfortunately NOT herbal because herbal medicine does not work for

me in this field, however below is a list of medication that is

helpful; it reduces the pain but does not necessarily remove it.

>

> Pain relief: I take one tablet EACH of the top 2 up

to 8 times per day.

> a.. Dihydrocodeine up to 8 tablets per day

> b.. Co-Proxamol up to 8 tablets per day

> c.. Neurotin (Gabapentin) 300 mg 1 capsules x 2

at night (split doses)

> d.. Neurotin (Gabapentin) 100 mg 2 capsules x 2

day time (split doses)

> Use the items below to help reduce pain:These are

normally found in muscle but people with Fibromyalgia as well as

those with M.E. have difficulty in assimilation of nutrients; the

pain is because the muscles are tired.

> a.. Co-enzyme Q10 up to 150 mg per day

> b.. Creatine capsules 700 mg 1 capsule x 2 daily

> c.. Amino Acids 1500 mg 1 tablet x 2 daily up to 6

tablets per day CAN be taken but I do not recommend that dose as

this is supposed to be for athletes to use after work-outs. However

it is up to you to see what works

> Relaxants: - These are also an important aid to pain

relief.

> a.. Robaxin: I take up to 3 tablets per night i.e.

1 tablet x 3 (split doses)

> b.. Baclofen: I take up to 3 tablets per day (if

necessary) i.e. 1 tablet x 3 (split doses)

> c.. Diazapam 5 mg. when nothing else works.

> NB: Muscular relaxants are helpful but you need to

USE all muscles otherwise they will get weaker

>

> I hope that this is helpful

>

>

>

> Marion

>

> --I --

>

> herbal remedies

> 12/10/04 03:45:34

> herbal remedies

> Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone

know anything strong for pain

>

> Hi.... My opinion is that this is not a disease at

all but symptoms of a

> toxic body . The ultimate handling is a whole body

cleanse and diet

> changes.Get Doc's tape if you haven't already , and

listen to it . You can

> consult with Doc after that .

> You should be taking Total Nutrition , Panther

Piss ,Cal - Calm Tea and

> Vitamin E right now . The tape will lead you to some

changes in diet . And

> be sure to go through our files . There is alot of

data in there . Hope this

> helps...Mary O

> -

> " yannnubbins21 " <yannnubbins21>

> <herbal remedies >

> Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:12 PM

> Herbal Remedies - anyone know anything

strong for pain

>

>

> >

> >

> >

> > In addition to insomnia, I have fibromyalgia in my

back and arms. It

> > is inconsistent but very painful when it occurs.

It is a disease that

> > doctors have researched very little I suppose,

affecting the muscles

> > and connective tissues. Nothing has worked other

than taking some

> > sleeping medicine and sleeping it off, but I can't

always do that.

> > Any input on this would be great.

>

>

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the

following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

before using any natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your own physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome

to post here as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are

exactly that, and any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so

at their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting

advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold

the List Owner and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

>

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before

using any natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your

own physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to

post here as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly

that, and any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at

their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice

or products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the

List Owner and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

>

>

>

> Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before

using any natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your

own physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to

post here as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly

that, and any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at

their own risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice

or products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the

List Owner and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any

natural remedy.

> 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

physician and to

> prescribe for your own health.

> We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here

as long as

> they behave themselves.

> Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and

any person

> following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own

risk.

> It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

products from list members, you are agreeing to

> be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List

Owner and members free of any liability.

>

> Dr. Ian Shillington

> Doctor of Naturopathy

> Dr.IanShillington@G...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Karen,

 

Yes, one more: nuts.

 

Sprouting is really easy to do. If I have any problem with it at all, it is remembering the night before to put the food for the next day in water :-))

 

love

Lisa

 

-

zengirl04

herbal remedies

Friday, December 17, 2004 2:55 PM

Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain

Lisa,I read Doc's article about grains, seed, beans having enzyme inhibitors if they aren't sprouted. Are there other foods that have enzyme inhibitors as well?Thanks,Karenherbal remedies , "Lisa de Haas" <lisa@l...> wrote:> Hello Marion,> > Thanks for your message:-)> > Some body conditions require a total change of lifestyle, not just taking herbs. If exercise is impossible, you can still do the Total Body Cleanse, get onto a complete organic diet, avoid all foods with enzyme inhibitors, and ensure a balanced acid/alkaloid diet. I am certain that you would see a major improvement in your health if you did all these things, even if the nerve damage itself would not completely heal (and I bet that even that could show some healing! It might not be easy, but I'm sure it could be done.> > I live in the UK also, so am aware of the cost of these things. I've had to improve things gradually, simply due to the cost. But those improvements have meant a steady improvement in my health and livingness, so it's definitely been worth the money.> > If you haven't done so yet, get Doc's tape and listen to it. Then call him for a consultation. I'm sure he could help you!> > love> Lisa> - > Marion Ghosh > herbal remedies > Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:44 PM> Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain> > > Hi Lisa> > I apologise if I have contravened the groups ideals> > However there are some of us for whom pain relief and sleep problems cannot be dealt with via herbal medicine.> > I am not alone in this; my son's fiancee has been an insomniac for most of her life and NOTHING helps; she has tried everything that is available in Britain in her search for a solution.> > I am a wheelchair user; exercise is impossible - even passive exercise leaves me in so much pain that I literally scream so that I HAVE to take narcotics because NO herbal medications have worked for me either for pain control OR sleep - both of which are essential if I am to have some quality of life.> > I cannot do many things that are 'normal' for most people due so many medical conditions that it is like a hypochondriacs dictionary - sadly I wish it was so. > > What soothes one thing sets of an impossible cycle of inflammation in another area. I DO everything in my power to balance things out but I am sorely limited > > I do watch my diet very rigorously and add supplements including: -> > a.. Co-enzyme Q10 up to 150 mg per day (aid muscular pain) > a.. > a.. Creatine capsules 700 mg 1 capsule x 2 daily > a.. > a.. Amino Acids 1500 mg 1 tablet x 2 daily up to 6 tablets per day CAN be taken but I do not recommend that dose as this is supposed to be for athletes to use after work-outs. However it is up to you to see what works > a.. > a.. mega B vit. supplements besides Calcium, magnesium & zinc to calm the system > a.. > a.. Lavender oil to aid relaxation but this is often not helpful> > My vitamin and mineral supplements this month was in excess of $380 U.S which for me on a very limited income is an absolute fortune as I have to pay for my care as well as the mortgage etc.> > There is NO help available except that which I have found for myself - the MD's can only keep me comfortable. In this statement I am NOT being negative but have come to an acceptance of what is and is not possible for me. I have been ill for 36 years and physically disabled for more than 20 of them.> > Just like a 'stroke' victim, nerve damage cannot be healed if it is not treated; I was not treated for 27 years because the MD's would not admit that I had legitimate problems even though the consultant physicians stated that I DO have a problem. It took the MD's a further 3 years before they took notice of the consultants by which time the damage was done and the disabilities were irreversible.> > > > Marion> ----> > herbal remedies > 12/10/04 19:26:39> herbal remedies > Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain> > Marion,> > Absolutely NO recommendations for allopathic medicine allowed on this list! Please refrain from doing so.> > If herbal hasn't worked for you, then you haven't done all. You would need to do a Full Body Cleanse, improve your nutrition and exercise for starters. I'm sure Doc could give you a full program that would CURE you!> > love> Lisa de Haas> Senior Moderator> > - > Marion Ghosh > herbal remedies > Friday, December 10, 2004 5:48 PM> Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain> > > Fibromyalgia is caused by nerve damage; the pain that is felt is called neuropathic pain. The symptoms of this condition are similar to M.E. and if you go to the web sites that deal with M.E. You will find suggestions also for Fibromyalgia to help with pain as well as sleep problems. > The websites give quite a lot of information> > I have this problem as well as M.E. because I have 2 spinal injuries; the nerve damage that was caused at that time has resulted in Fibromyalgia. The treatment that I have been given is unfortunately NOT herbal because herbal medicine does not work for me in this field, however below is a list of medication that is helpful; it reduces the pain but does not necessarily remove it.> > Pain relief: I take one tablet EACH of the top 2 up to 8 times per day.> a.. Dihydrocodeine up to 8 tablets per day > b.. Co-Proxamol up to 8 tablets per day > c.. Neurotin (Gabapentin) 300 mg 1 capsules x 2 at night (split doses) > d.. Neurotin (Gabapentin) 100 mg 2 capsules x 2 day time (split doses) > Use the items below to help reduce pain:These are normally found in muscle but people with Fibromyalgia as well as those with M.E. have difficulty in assimilation of nutrients; the pain is because the muscles are tired.> a.. Co-enzyme Q10 up to 150 mg per day > b.. Creatine capsules 700 mg 1 capsule x 2 daily > c.. Amino Acids 1500 mg 1 tablet x 2 daily up to 6 tablets per day CAN be taken but I do not recommend that dose as this is supposed to be for athletes to use after work-outs. However it is up to you to see what works> Relaxants: - These are also an important aid to pain relief.> a.. Robaxin: I take up to 3 tablets per night i.e. 1 tablet x 3 (split doses) > b.. Baclofen: I take up to 3 tablets per day (if necessary) i.e. 1 tablet x 3 (split doses) > c.. Diazapam 5 mg. when nothing else works.> NB: Muscular relaxants are helpful but you need to USE all muscles otherwise they will get weaker> > I hope that this is helpful> > > > Marion> > --I --> > herbal remedies > 12/10/04 03:45:34> herbal remedies > Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know anything strong for pain> > Hi.... My opinion is that this is not a disease at all but symptoms of a> toxic body . The ultimate handling is a whole body cleanse and diet> changes.Get Doc's tape if you haven't already , and listen to it . You can> consult with Doc after that .> You should be taking Total Nutrition , Panther Piss ,Cal - Calm Tea and> Vitamin E right now . The tape will lead you to some changes in diet . And> be sure to go through our files . There is alot of data in there . Hope this> helps...Mary O> - > "yannnubbins21" <yannnubbins21>> <herbal remedies >> Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:12 PM> Herbal Remedies - anyone know anything strong for pain> > > >> >> >> > In addition to insomnia, I have fibromyalgia in my back and arms. It> > is inconsistent but very painful when it occurs. It is a disease that> > doctors have researched very little I suppose, affecting the muscles> > and connective tissues. Nothing has worked other than taking some> > sleeping medicine and sleeping it off, but I can't always do that.> > Any input on this would be great.> > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > > > > > > > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following: > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and to> prescribe for your own health. > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as > they behave themselves. > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. > > Dr. Ian Shillington> Doctor of Naturopathy> Dr.IanShillington@G... > > >

[Guest guest]

Darn. <s> So, you're saying that almond, walnuts, pecans, etc.

should all be sprouted? Can you sprout these raw nuts once they

have been hulled?

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " Lisa de Haas " <lisa@l...>

wrote:

> Hi Karen,

>

> Yes, one more: nuts.

>

> Sprouting is really easy to do. If I have any problem with it at

all, it is remembering the night before to put the food for the next

day in water :-))

>

> love

> Lisa

> -

> zengirl04

> herbal remedies

> Friday, December 17, 2004 2:55 PM

> Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know

anything strong for pain

>

>

>

>

>

> Lisa,

>

> I read Doc's article about grains, seed, beans having enzyme

> inhibitors if they aren't sprouted. Are there other foods that

have

> enzyme inhibitors as well?

>

> Thanks,

> Karen

>

>

> herbal remedies , " Lisa de Haas "

<lisa@l...>

> wrote:

> > Hello Marion,

> >

> > Thanks for your message:-)

> >

> > Some body conditions require a total change of lifestyle, not

just

> taking herbs. If exercise is impossible, you can still do the

Total

> Body Cleanse, get onto a complete organic diet, avoid all foods

with

> enzyme inhibitors, and ensure a balanced acid/alkaloid diet. I

am

> certain that you would see a major improvement in your health if

you

> did all these things, even if the nerve damage itself would not

> completely heal (and I bet that even that could show some

healing!

> It might not be easy, but I'm sure it could be done.

> >

> > I live in the UK also, so am aware of the cost of these

things.

> I've had to improve things gradually, simply due to the cost.

But

> those improvements have meant a steady improvement in my health

and

> livingness, so it's definitely been worth the money.

> >

> > If you haven't done so yet, get Doc's tape and listen to it.

Then

> call him for a consultation. I'm sure he could help you!

> >

> > love

> > Lisa

> > -

> > Marion Ghosh

> > herbal remedies

> > Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:44 PM

> > Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know

> anything strong for pain

> >

> >

> > Hi Lisa

> >

> > I apologise if I have contravened the groups ideals

> >

> > However there are some of us for whom pain relief and

> sleep problems cannot be dealt with via herbal medicine.

> >

> > I am not alone in this; my son's fiancee has been an

> insomniac for most of her life and NOTHING helps; she has tried

> everything that is available in Britain in her search for a

solution.

> >

> > I am a wheelchair user; exercise is impossible - even

> passive exercise leaves me in so much pain that I literally

scream

> so that I HAVE to take narcotics because NO herbal medications

have

> worked for me either for pain control OR sleep - both of which

are

> essential if I am to have some quality of life.

> >

> > I cannot do many things that are 'normal' for most

people

> due so many medical conditions that it is like a hypochondriacs

> dictionary - sadly I wish it was so.

> >

> > What soothes one thing sets of an impossible cycle of

> inflammation in another area. I DO everything in my power to

balance

> things out but I am sorely limited

> >

> > I do watch my diet very rigorously and add supplements

> including: -

> >

> > a.. Co-enzyme Q10 up to 150 mg per day (aid muscular

pain)

> > a..

> > a.. Creatine capsules 700 mg 1 capsule x 2 daily

> > a..

> > a.. Amino Acids 1500 mg 1 tablet x 2 daily up to 6

tablets

> per day CAN be taken but I do not recommend that dose as this is

> supposed to be for athletes to use after work-outs. However it

is up

> to you to see what works

> > a..

> > a.. mega B vit. supplements besides Calcium, magnesium

&

> zinc to calm the system

> > a..

> > a.. Lavender oil to aid relaxation but this is often

not

> helpful

> >

> > My vitamin and mineral supplements this month was in

> excess of $380 U.S which for me on a very limited income is an

> absolute fortune as I have to pay for my care as well as the

> mortgage etc.

> >

> > There is NO help available except that which I have

found

> for myself - the MD's can only keep me comfortable. In this

> statement I am NOT being negative but have come to an acceptance

of

> what is and is not possible for me. I have been ill for 36 years

and

> physically disabled for more than 20 of them.

> >

> > Just like a 'stroke' victim, nerve damage cannot be

healed

> if it is not treated; I was not treated for 27 years because the

> MD's would not admit that I had legitimate problems even though

the

> consultant physicians stated that I DO have a problem. It took

the

> MD's a further 3 years before they took notice of the

consultants by

> which time the damage was done and the disabilities were

> irreversible.

> >

> >

> >

> > Marion

> > ----

> >

> > herbal remedies

> > 12/10/04 19:26:39

> > herbal remedies

> > Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone

know

> anything strong for pain

> >

> > Marion,

> >

> > Absolutely NO recommendations for allopathic medicine

> allowed on this list! Please refrain from doing so.

> >

> > If herbal hasn't worked for you, then you haven't done

> all. You would need to do a Full Body Cleanse, improve your

> nutrition and exercise for starters. I'm sure Doc could give you

a

> full program that would CURE you!

> >

> > love

> > Lisa de Haas

> > Senior Moderator

> >

> > -

> > Marion Ghosh

> > herbal remedies

> > Friday, December 10, 2004 5:48 PM

> > Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone

know

> anything strong for pain

> >

> >

> > Fibromyalgia is caused by nerve damage; the pain

> that is felt is called neuropathic pain. The symptoms of this

> condition are similar to M.E. and if you go to the web sites

that

> deal with M.E. You will find suggestions also for Fibromyalgia

to

> help with pain as well as sleep problems.

> > The websites give quite a lot of information

> >

> > I have this problem as well as M.E. because I

have 2

> spinal injuries; the nerve damage that was caused at that time

has

> resulted in Fibromyalgia. The treatment that I have been given

is

> unfortunately NOT herbal because herbal medicine does not work

for

> me in this field, however below is a list of medication that is

> helpful; it reduces the pain but does not necessarily remove it.

> >

> > Pain relief: I take one tablet EACH of the top 2

up

> to 8 times per day.

> > a.. Dihydrocodeine up to 8 tablets per day

> > b.. Co-Proxamol up to 8 tablets per day

> > c.. Neurotin (Gabapentin) 300 mg 1 capsules x

2

> at night (split doses)

> > d.. Neurotin (Gabapentin) 100 mg 2 capsules x

2

> day time (split doses)

> > Use the items below to help reduce pain:These

are

> normally found in muscle but people with Fibromyalgia as well as

> those with M.E. have difficulty in assimilation of nutrients;

the

> pain is because the muscles are tired.

> > a.. Co-enzyme Q10 up to 150 mg per day

> > b.. Creatine capsules 700 mg 1 capsule x 2

daily

> > c.. Amino Acids 1500 mg 1 tablet x 2 daily up

to 6

> tablets per day CAN be taken but I do not recommend that dose as

> this is supposed to be for athletes to use after work-outs.

However

> it is up to you to see what works

> > Relaxants: - These are also an important aid to

pain

> relief.

> > a.. Robaxin: I take up to 3 tablets per night

i.e.

> 1 tablet x 3 (split doses)

> > b.. Baclofen: I take up to 3 tablets per day

(if

> necessary) i.e. 1 tablet x 3 (split doses)

> > c.. Diazapam 5 mg. when nothing else works.

> > NB: Muscular relaxants are helpful but you need

to

> USE all muscles otherwise they will get weaker

> >

> > I hope that this is helpful

> >

> >

> >

> > Marion

> >

> > --I --

> >

> > herbal remedies

> > 12/10/04 03:45:34

> > herbal remedies

> > Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone

> know anything strong for pain

> >

> > Hi.... My opinion is that this is not a disease

at

> all but symptoms of a

> > toxic body . The ultimate handling is a whole

body

> cleanse and diet

> > changes.Get Doc's tape if you haven't already ,

and

> listen to it . You can

> > consult with Doc after that .

> > You should be taking Total Nutrition , Panther

> Piss ,Cal - Calm Tea and

> > Vitamin E right now . The tape will lead you to

some

> changes in diet . And

> > be sure to go through our files . There is alot

of

> data in there . Hope this

> > helps...Mary O

> > -

> > " yannnubbins21 " <yannnubbins21>

> > <herbal remedies >

> > Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:12 PM

> > Herbal Remedies - anyone know anything

> strong for pain

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > In addition to insomnia, I have fibromyalgia

in my

> back and arms. It

> > > is inconsistent but very painful when it

occurs.

> It is a disease that

> > > doctors have researched very little I suppose,

> affecting the muscles

> > > and connective tissues. Nothing has worked

other

> than taking some

> > > sleeping medicine and sleeping it off, but I

can't

> always do that.

> > > Any input on this would be great.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the

> following:

> > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician

> before using any natural remedy.

> > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to

be

> your own physician and to

> > prescribe for your own health.

> > We are not medical doctors although MDs are

welcome

> to post here as long as

> > they behave themselves.

> > Any opinions put forth by the list members are

> exactly that, and any person

> > following the advice of anyone posting here does

so

> at their own risk.

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accepting

> advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to

> > be fully responsible for your own health, and

hold

> the List Owner and members free of any liability.

> >

> > Dr. Ian Shillington

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the

following:

> > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before

> using any natural remedy.

> > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your

> own physician and to

> > prescribe for your own health.

> > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to

> post here as long as

> > they behave themselves.

> > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly

> that, and any person

> > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at

> their own risk.

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advice

> or products from list members, you are agreeing to

> > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the

> List Owner and members free of any liability.

> >

> > Dr. Ian Shillington

> > Doctor of Naturopathy

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the

following:

> > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before

> using any natural remedy.

> > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be

your

> own physician and to

> > prescribe for your own health.

> > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to

> post here as long as

> > they behave themselves.

> > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly

> that, and any person

> > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at

> their own risk.

> > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting

advice

> or products from list members, you are agreeing to

> > be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the

> List Owner and members free of any liability.

> >

> > Dr. Ian Shillington

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Federal Law requires that we warn you of the following:

> > 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire.

> > 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using

any

> natural remedy.

> > 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own

> physician and to

> > prescribe for your own health.

> > We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post

here

> as long as

> > they behave themselves.

> > Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that,

and

> any person

> > following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their

own

> risk.

> > It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or

> products from list members, you are agreeing to

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Almonds are really easy to sprout, but pecans and walnuts, in the

process of hulling, get broken in half, so it's questionable whether

they are still in a state to " sprout " and have the enzyme inhibitors

removed. I personally have just stayed away from walnuts and pecans for

the most part since I found out about enzyme inhibitors.

 

Kelli

 

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| zengirl04 [zengirl04]

| Friday, December 17, 2004 2:15 PM

| herbal remedies

| Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know

| anything strong for pain

|

|

| Darn. <s> So, you're saying that almond, walnuts, pecans, etc.

| should all be sprouted? Can you sprout these raw nuts once they

| have been hulled?

[Guest guest]

I'm curious...what is your fibromyalgia like? What parts of your body does it affect? Like I said, mine is my upper back and arms. It's not an everyday occurance, it's infrequent and inconsistent. But when it does flare up, it is debilitating. I will definately try the breathing thing, and once I have money I would like to try the cleansing thing that Doc has recommended. In the mean time, I am unsure of how effective the breathing thing will be when it acts up, but will definately give it a try.

Peace

~AnnieTUNA BELLA <tunabella wrote:

Re: fibromyalgiaI have this syndrome and after trying just about every thing available, I decided to do a breathing exercise. It follows and is quite simple. I have followed this practice for four years and have had no pain. I do not use any type of pain medication at all and refused pain meds following a difficult surgery recently.Here it is:Sit or lie comfortably and say to yourself, "I am breathing in. I am breathing out.I am breathing deep. I am breathing calm. I am breathing still. I am breathing ease. I smile to the pain. I release the pain. I am having a wonderful day. It is a very pleasant day......."As you say "breahing in" breathe in. Etc.I also sip a gentle green tea which is flavored with honey.

Sometimes I add the juice of one lime to the tea.Remember to breathe deep at all times.Charlie the TunaFederal Law requires that we warn you of the following: 1. Natural methods can sometimes backfire. 2. If you are pregnant, consult your physician before using any natural remedy. 3. The Constitution guarantees you the right to be your own physician and toprescribe for your own health. We are not medical doctors although MDs are welcome to post here as long as they behave themselves. Any opinions put forth by the list members are exactly that, and any person following the advice of anyone posting here does so at their own risk. It is up to you to educate yourself. By accepting advice or products from list members, you are agreeing to be fully responsible for your own health, and hold the List Owner and members free of any liability. Dr. Ian

ShillingtonDoctor of NaturopathyDr.IanShillington

 

Annie House

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[Guest guest]

Is there any information how high the enzyme inhibitors are in

walnuts or pecans? Would taking an enzyme when eating these nuts

balance it out do you think?

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " Kelli Bever " <kelli@c...>

wrote:

>

> Almonds are really easy to sprout, but pecans and walnuts, in the

> process of hulling, get broken in half, so it's questionable

whether

> they are still in a state to " sprout " and have the enzyme

inhibitors

> removed. I personally have just stayed away from walnuts and

pecans for

> the most part since I found out about enzyme inhibitors.

>

> Kelli

>

> |

> | zengirl04 [zengirl04]

> | Friday, December 17, 2004 2:15 PM

> | herbal remedies

> | Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know

> | anything strong for pain

> |

> |

> | Darn. <s> So, you're saying that almond, walnuts, pecans, etc.

> | should all be sprouted? Can you sprout these raw nuts once they

> | have been hulled?

[Guest guest]

When I do indulge in nuts that aren't sprouted, or anything else that

has enzyme inhibitors (corn chips, pasta, etc), no matter how rare, I

definitely take a plant enzyme when I eat, and an extra IC #1 to make

sure nothing slows down on the way through!

 

Kelli

 

|

| zengirl04 [zengirl04]

| Saturday, December 18, 2004 7:34 AM

| herbal remedies

| Re: Herbal Remedies - fibromyalgia / anyone know

| anything strong for pain

|

|

| Is there any information how high the enzyme inhibitors are in

| walnuts or pecans? Would taking an enzyme when eating these nuts

| balance it out do you think?